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ud666
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:44 PM
I just purchased one.
I think the stuff is shipped from Hong Kong. Free shipping promo too. I bought from this place before (through eb@y) and the stuff arrives in Vancouver in 1 week. He's got other stuff like mem card readers that seem to be reasonably priced. I bought an XD card reader size of a stick of gum, and works great.
Note the free shipping, as well as 10% off if you use coupon code 'WELCOME" . Hope you find something you like.
Link (http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4005.htm)
TinyTank
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:48 PM
what about duty?
chickengrill
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:49 PM
I've never heard of them. Are they reliable?
Jon Lai
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:57 PM
Can anyone confirm? But if you use Paypal, you can't go wrong with $1. I wouldn't pay with CC tho.
itsyours
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:00 PM
I don't know, but after browsing the site, this may be a small business. We probably will hurt him a lot if buying it for $1 with free shipping. So, IMO buy it only if you really need it.
Thanks for posting this hot deal anyway, good deal for those in need of one.
ds-
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:09 PM
I'm out of USB ports, but too bad this wasn't USB 2.0.
Johnny Powel
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:18 PM
Bus powered ,USB Ver 1.1
Not worth $1.00 USD
mrken
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:23 PM
I have a feeling that the LED specifications are over exaggerated...
But this still looks like a good deal:
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/led/LE1001.htm
$20 USD for 1000 8000 mcd LEDs! Either the beam is more directional than +/- 10 degrees, or they overrated the brightness. But just $0.025 CAD per LED! Nobody can match that probably.
Spent
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:24 PM
Must be old inventory
Why would anyone even manufacture 1.1 in the last couple of years?? :confused:
Stinger
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:29 PM
Thanks for the link. Picked up an LED flashing for 5$ aswell from him.
Total cost for Hub and flashlight was 6.76$. Well spent in my opinion
Fantaz
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:20 PM
How does this Infrared Web Camera (http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4001.htm) look? Only $15.
Also what would you guys think is the brightest led flashlight there?
Absolute
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Crazy price, but I'll wait for a cheap USB 2 hub.
kylewong
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:40 PM
You can use it on mouse, keyboard and printer. I am using 1.1 on slow devices. I also use 2.0 on speed demanding devices. But bottle neck is still a problem no matter what you do, except you are using pci-e. :D
zero64
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:11 PM
what about duty?
Is duty an issue when the price is $1?
story
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:15 PM
thanks, mine broke down a while ago.
Lego
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:26 PM
The postage from HK is more than a buck!
Jon Lai
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Bus powered ,USB Ver 1.1
Not worth $1.00 USD
Actually its 90c USD, if you read clearly. I think its worth it, definately old stock tho. The same USB2 sells for $7.2US, which is about normal pricing.
dmdsoftware2
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:31 PM
Is duty an issue when the price is $1?
Well, duty isn't the issue. The issue is the taxes (GST and PST). You only get hit with taxes if the item is >= $20 CDN.
TinyTank
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Is duty an issue when the price is $1?
lol. Didn't think of dat.
lolibra
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:45 PM
Great, orderd some stuff. Thanks!
mahir_mohsin
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:03 PM
Isnt the Combo 18in1 2.0 card reader with 3 ports USB 2.0 hub a good deal too? only $15
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA2015.htm
is worth ordering?
mrken
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:08 PM
Would there be any duties or brokerage if I place an order totalling nearly $40 CAD? It is shipped from Hong Kong, with which postal system I am not familiar ... Any help appreciated! :)
Lego
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Separating your orders to under $20 may get around the customs tax.
guest 03
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:03 PM
They have LED's for bikes.
I'm going to get one of those. Cheaper than what you can get anywhere else esp w no shipping.
riskit
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:14 PM
what about duty?
Here is some thing I post some time ago concerning duties.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142354&highlight=ITA
jchan1985
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:31 PM
all their flashlights are AAA though!
Jon Lai
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:23 PM
all their flashlights are AAA though!
wats wrong with that.
etcbq
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Check out their housing equipment! :lol: :lol: :lol: I thought this category was for cases/drive enclosures maybe?
jchan1985
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:06 PM
wats wrong with that.
not too much, other than the price compared to AA....I suppose a pair of rechargeables will be in order...any recommendations on which flashlight to choose?
nounou23
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:34 PM
I actually bought from that guy before. that exact USB hub and it's great. I paid about 5$ shipped on ebay a long time back.. but for 1$ you can't go wrong.
paaji
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:52 PM
i am getting error while trying to add to cart
The page cannot be displayed
There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed.
also if i want add another hard drive will this work i already have 2 dvd writer and two hard drives
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4004.htm
USB to IDE Cable For HDD/DVD (CA4004)
mouf
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:26 PM
all their flashlights are AAA though!The circuit for the leds require 4.5v and with 3 "AA" peeps would whine at the bulk.
Thanks for the headsup ud666, ordered the shake and use flashlight for a third of thinkgeek price :razz:
Jon Lai
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:32 PM
i am getting error while trying to add to cart
also if i want add another hard drive will this work i already have 2 dvd writer and two hard drives
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4004.htm
USB to IDE Cable For HDD/DVD (CA4004)
What you need is an extra controller card to wiggle into your slots, which adds another primary and secondary cable avaliable for you.
The item you linked to looks like its used for external hard drives or optical drives, altho I don't know how it will work as the drive will need a power source as well.. better just buy an enclosure.
mouf
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:38 PM
I don't know how it will work as the drive will need a power source as well.. better just buy an enclosure.It come with an external PSU, click the pic #2 to see it. I don't see why this would not work paaji, inside or outside the computer case, just connect the drive to a 12v plug if used inside. Don't expect more than 15MB/sec sustained though. This would be handy for a quick HD/optical drives diagnostic too.
CanadaBoy
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:23 PM
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Photo/Product%20photo/PICT0219.JPG
mrken
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:28 PM
Separating your orders to under $20 may get around the customs tax.
I would like to order the 1000-pack red LEDs for $20 USD, so I do not think I can split it any further... Any suggestions on what I should do?
This is much better than any deal on eBay.
Singh
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:44 PM
I would like to order the 1000-pack red LEDs for $20 USD, so I do not think I can split it any further... Any suggestions on what I should do?
This is much better than any deal on eBay.
Just curious.. what will you do with the 1000 leds?
Jon Lai
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:51 PM
It come with an external PSU, click the pic #2 to see it. I don't see why this would not work paaji, inside or outside the computer case, just connect the drive to a 12v plug if used inside. Don't expect more than 15MB/sec sustained though. This would be handy for a quick HD/optical drives diagnostic too.
why not just use an external encolsure.
ud666
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Damn my order was rejected and $1 got refunded. It says I did not fill out enough info. Damn I hope you guys did not buy all the $1 hubs if I tried putting the order through again! :mad:
update: Darn it's all gone!! oh well hope you guys enjoy. >:(
dalman
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:18 PM
I am looking at this Mp3 Audio Transmitter For Cars (CA4002).
I have a Ipod mini. Can I use this in the car?? Thanks!
Product Description
This incredible new product is adopted with 3D sound coding technology which maintains the Hi-Fi effects of MP3, MD, CD, DVD and TV. It has been developed from frequency phase lock loop technology, which ensures stable frequency radiation while functioning at a distance of up to 30 meters (100 feet) with no dead arrears.Its USB port can allow you to charge the mp3 player in your car.
It operates through your automobile audio sounding equipment so that you can still enjoy Hi-Fi music.Fit for any audio device which with standard 3.5 mm stereo earphone jack .
Specification
Working Valtage: 12V +-0.5V
Working Current: 40mA +-10mA
Operating Distance: up to 30 meters
Input Frequency: 20Hz~20KHz
Audio plug size: standard 3.5mm stereo
Package Includes:
· 1 x Audio Transmitter with USB port
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Photo/Product%20photo/PICT0025.JPG
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4002.htm
coriolis
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Ordered one(ordered but didnt confirm as ISP took a crapper), but i just confirmed it.
My laptop only has 3 usb 2.0's, so this will help alot. I don't mind the speed.
GerryDavid
Jul 11th, 2005, 12:32 AM
I bought an XD card reader size of a stick of gum, and works great.
Is it usb 1.1 or 2? My camera uses the xD format, and I would prefer if its 2.0
USB 1.1 XD Card Reader/Writer,
Full Speed USB 1.1 or High Speed USB 2.0 Connectivity
LED indicates the Data Access
The 1.1 xd name makes it sound like its just 1.1, but then below that it says 2.0 connectivity.
Also this is $4.50 after the 10% coupon. It says I can use paypal, but im trying to decide if this is worth it, hhe. Its not something I need, just something Id like to have.
mrken
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:34 AM
Noooooo! I was actually going to order something else with the USB hub!!! I hope they are just temporarily OOS...
Anyway to get around the $20 USD value? Maybe I should e-mail them to see if they can lower the item price but add a shipping charge?
felix
Jul 11th, 2005, 02:05 AM
Isnt the Combo 18in1 2.0 card reader with 3 ports USB 2.0 hub a good deal too? only $15
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA2015.htm
is worth ordering?
that's a good price. I'd order one if I actually needed it. :) Only thing is, I find it awkward to have the USB ports off the side. Would rather prefer 2 USB ports on the back, and 1 in the front along with the media card slots. Otherwise it's kind of ugly having USB cables dangling near the front of your desk where you can reach the slots easily. If you know what I mean.
Note : It's in US dollars though.
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Photo/Product%20photo/PICT0023.JPG
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Photo/Product%20photo/PICT0022.JPG
optimus
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:59 AM
I am looking at this Mp3 Audio Transmitter For Cars (CA4002).
I have a Ipod mini. Can I use this in the car?? Thanks!
Product Description
This incredible new product is adopted with 3D sound coding technology which maintains the Hi-Fi effects of MP3, MD, CD, DVD and TV. It has been developed from frequency phase lock loop technology, which ensures stable frequency radiation while functioning at a distance of up to 30 meters (100 feet) with no dead arrears.Its USB port can allow you to charge the mp3 player in your car.
It operates through your automobile audio sounding equipment so that you can still enjoy Hi-Fi music.Fit for any audio device which with standard 3.5 mm stereo earphone jack .
Specification
Working Valtage: 12V +-0.5V
Working Current: 40mA +-10mA
Operating Distance: up to 30 meters
Input Frequency: 20Hz~20KHz
Audio plug size: standard 3.5mm stereo
Package Includes:
· 1 x Audio Transmitter with USB port
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4002.htm
I was looking at that item too. not sure what you're asking, but yes, of course you can use it in your car. the transmitter should work for your ipod mini since it only requires a 3.5mm jack.
as for using the usb port to charge, I'm guessing it probably outputs the same amount of power as your computer's usb, so I would guess it would also be safe for the ipod. but then the cheap price scares me, so I wouldn't put my ipod on it.
Are u guys sure this place is legit? I wouldn't want to give my payment info away and have all these charges on my account later on. They have some really good deals on interesting items though, not just a USB hub... which I've seen for $2 at CWO. how long has he/she been in operation?
Jon Lai
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Why is this deal dead? I can still order...
longo
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:14 AM
Why is this deal dead? I can still order...
Page doesn't load for me....
protectivedad
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:17 AM
Why is this deal dead? I can still order...
I don't know. I figured the OP decided to try and "kill" it for some reason. I ordered yesterday no problem and I can still order today no problem. I tried all kinds of things to make it NOT work, but I can find NO problem.
I thought maybe I will receive an e-mail saying OOS. We'll see.
Jon Lai
Jul 11th, 2005, 02:33 PM
I don't know. I figured the OP decided to try and "kill" it for some reason. I ordered yesterday no problem and I can still order today no problem. I tried all kinds of things to make it NOT work, but I can find NO problem.
I thought maybe I will receive an e-mail saying OOS. We'll see.
Same, I can still order. I put in 100 and nothing comes up. I haven't ordered mine yet tho since I'm a bit hesitant. I want to order 1 but it won't let me use the 10% off WELCOME code if I do, but I don't want to risk for two units of these.
Since it sounds like they won't be going OOS or back to original price for a while,
I guess I can wait until folks here get theirs. Its already in the cart anyways.
Fantaz
Jul 11th, 2005, 02:55 PM
This little guy is going to be rich!
Rooster
Jul 11th, 2005, 03:19 PM
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Photo/Product%20photo/PICT0219.JPG
Funny, it looks exactly like the AMD on that they were giving out ath the ADM ture.. :cheesygri
ud666
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:11 PM
It's 1.1 for sure. I don't mind the wait, I do'nt think it's much of a difference for me since I transfer less than 20 pics at a time at high resolution. Doesn't take that long. It's good to have with your laptop or to take it on vacation if your mem card gets full can transfer onto a hotel computer or internet cafe.
Is it usb 1.1 or 2? My camera uses the xD format, and I would prefer if its 2.0
USB 1.1 XD Card Reader/Writer,
Full Speed USB 1.1 or High Speed USB 2.0 Connectivity
LED indicates the Data Access
The 1.1 xd name makes it sound like its just 1.1, but then below that it says 2.0 connectivity.
Also this is $4.50 after the 10% coupon. It says I can use paypal, but im trying to decide if this is worth it, hhe. Its not something I need, just something Id like to have.
Angultra
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:21 PM
Thanks for the deal, I ordered a USB Hub, let's hope no customs or brokerage fees...
Wow, I'm wondering how much light those "32 LED flashlights" or "24 LED + Laser" lights can put out. It says visible over a mile away!
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/ledp/LP1010.htm
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/ledp/LP1009.htm
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/ledp/LP1013.htm
In terms of value, the 9 LED and 15 LED + Laser is on sale for $5 and $10 respectively, which seems pretty good, considering it's less than a buck an LED.
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/ledp/LP1004.htm
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/ledp/LP1012.htm
Singh
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:39 PM
Go for the $5 one. Chances are it will be bright, but the light probably wont be very concentrated.
Angultra
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:47 PM
Any one of those would probably rock on a camping trip. Or the laser one on a super soaker, that would make for a killer nighttime water fight.
Jon Lai
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Noticed the topic has been changed to "still good..?" cuz it probably is. I'm still laughing to myself why a guy would base his online store on LEDs... I wonder if there are actually that many ppl who buys them.
lonelydriver
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:37 PM
are the prices CND or USD?
Singh
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:51 PM
are the prices CND or USD?
us
IanXP
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:35 AM
hmm...if i'm not mistaken...the 4 port usb hub looks the same as the one as they sell @ london drugs...for about $10? i think
Lego
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:56 AM
I would like to order the 1000-pack red LEDs for $20 USD, so I do not think I can split it any further... Any suggestions on what I should do?
This is much better than any deal on eBay.
I think they may send it as a gift, so the $20 limit may not apply... please back me up on this, or correct me. Thanks.
felix
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:19 AM
I think they may send it as a gift, so the $20 limit may not apply... please back me up on this, or correct me. Thanks.
yes, no tax for gifts up to $60 CDN. And merchandise up to $20 CDN. Ask the seller to mark it as a gift.
felix
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:04 AM
Isnt the Combo 18in1 2.0 card reader with 3 ports USB 2.0 hub a good deal too? only $15
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA2015.htm
is worth ordering?
I found out there are many on eBay .. some going for even less after shipping. Cheapest I found was for $12 US shipped, from this seller : 2005huian (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=2005huian)
However I'm looking for one with an AC Adapter (necessary if you're going to use as a USB hub). Which is the best deal for one?
Jon Lai
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:47 AM
I found out there are many on eBay .. some going for even less after shipping. Cheapest I found was for $12 US shipped, from this seller : 2005huian (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=2005huian)
However I'm looking for one with an AC Adapter (necessary if you're going to use as a USB hub). Which is the best deal for one?
Lol, all I'm looking for is one w/o a AC adapter. I got one of those Gameshark-made PS2 4-port USB Hubs from FS on the clerance table for 5.95 (org. 39.95) 1-2 years ago, which had an AC adapter (you can't expect the PS2 to grant u so much power) so I used that for a while with my old computer. Now I need one that doesn't have AC adapter, as its a real pain on the electric bill if I only need to plug in a couple more devices.
redflagcountry
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:56 AM
Order Status: Shipped
Order History: 10 Jul 2005 - Received
12 Jul 2005 - Order Shipped
Supplier: LED SHOPPE
http://www.ledshoppe.comShipment
Tracking
Information: Notes Order shipped out by Air mail on 12/7, Thanks you for your order.
ledshoppe@ledshoppe.com
akito925
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:23 AM
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4003.htm
anyone know i can get this in ontario? say a local store that has this cheap?
Jon Lai
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:50 AM
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4003.htm
anyone know i can get this in ontario? say a local store that has this cheap?
shud be avaliable somwhere, but ull have to look very throuoghlly, and might be a lot of times more epxenisve.
a_peep
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Hopefully this deal comes about again.
Rooster
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:14 PM
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4003.htm
anyone know i can get this in ontario? say a local store that has this cheap?
try Stooples... made by Belkin. Many different types depending on what U needed for. I pick one up for $2.50 in the clearance bin.. :)
mrken
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:36 PM
I think they may send it as a gift, so the $20 limit may not apply... please back me up on this, or correct me. Thanks.
I should do that!
I ordered some white LEDs and a few USB hubs yesterday, so I will wait until I get those before ordering more LEDs. :) Does the WELCOME coupon only work once per customer? I have unlimited e-mail addresses. ;)
felix
Jul 13th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Isnt the Combo 18in1 2.0 card reader with 3 ports USB 2.0 hub a good deal too? only $15
http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA2015.htm
is worth ordering?
Found out Canada Computers is selling similar thing for $27.99 + tax!
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=004204&cid=990.434
Probably the exact same too. Lots of sellers on eBay selling these gadgets for even cheaper (most going for 1 cent, with inflated shipping costs to make up for it .. and most are sellers from HK). I'm guessing we could find these at Pacific Mall also, but probably easier to just buy online. :)
dande
Jul 13th, 2005, 06:04 AM
I see $6 for the USB 1.1 4-port hub. Where is the $1 deal you guys are talking about?
nounou23
Jul 13th, 2005, 07:12 AM
note from the site.
"1 dollor per hub" promotion was ended on 12/7. Thank you for your support.
Absolute
Jul 13th, 2005, 08:06 AM
I see $6 for the USB 1.1 4-port hub. Where is the $1 deal you guys are talking about?
Dead deal :)
Jon Lai
Jul 13th, 2005, 09:14 AM
Damn.
thendless
Jul 16th, 2005, 09:26 PM
Just to let you guys know... I received all of mine yesterday, i'm really impressed with the speed considering I ordered it last sunday and it arrived in 5 business days from Hong Kong, to top it off even more was that shipping was free....
I'm goign to buy stuff from this guy in the future
paaji
Jul 16th, 2005, 10:28 PM
Just to let you guys know... I received all of mine yesterday, i'm really impressed with the speed considering I ordered it last sunday and it arrived in 5 business days from Hong Kong, to top it off even more was that shipping was free....
I'm goign to buy stuff from this guy in the future
They shipped mine from
9625 W 76th Street
Suite 150
Eden Prairie, MN 55344
not from hongkong
coriolis
Jul 16th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Waiting for mines! :)
It'll prolly come on Monday or Tuesday
spinbot
Jul 16th, 2005, 11:36 PM
FYI -- for those that were skeptical about buying from this retailer, as long as you are paying by credit card you are safe. Those high interest rates we pay are good for something. If any un-authorized charges are on your card, you simply do a charge back to the vendor. If they can't prove you made the purchase, the Credit card company will charge everything back to retailer. If they happen to be out of business, then the credit card company absorbs the loss.
For the record, my order of 4 USB 1.1 units has also been shipped and the appropiate amount was charged to my MasterCard.
rodenti
Jul 18th, 2005, 12:19 AM
I went to order a couple of items from ledshoppe today and the WELCOME coupon has expired.
Are there any other coupons floating around for this site?
saveondell
Jul 18th, 2005, 12:32 AM
WELCOME coupon has expired
................................. :mad:
mrken
Jul 18th, 2005, 12:33 AM
They shipped mine from
9625 W 76th Street
Suite 150
Eden Prairie, MN 55344
not from hongkong
Wow?! Really?
Are you sure that the address is not just a return-to address?
The address belongs to Digital River... http://www.digitalriver.com/corporate/contact02a.shtml
And I doubt they sell $1 USB hubs...
Anyway, my items have been shipped. I will see how the LEDs stand to reverse voltages. :D The ones that I bought from eBay had a extremely pleasant odour when connected backwards or to high voltages. :D
Any more coupon codes? :D
NetAnt
Jul 18th, 2005, 12:54 AM
Super fast shipping, A+++++, Highly recommended, blah blah :cheesygri
coriolis
Jul 18th, 2005, 11:00 AM
Nice got mines today!'
Mines was from Ma On Shan, N.T. Hong Kong..
ud666
Jul 18th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Wow it's been a long while since I posted a deal with 6 pages of responses :lol: I'm so proud.
Glad you guys are getting it quick. Stuff from HK comes pretty quick cuz it's by air, and the HK mailmen work really fast. I heard they do 3 runs a day as opposed to once here by Canada Post.
felix
Jul 18th, 2005, 04:55 PM
Seriously? Wow .. not surprising they are so much more hard working than us. :)
story
Jul 18th, 2005, 06:02 PM
I got mine today too. I ordered two to get the 10% off. So I paid just under $2 USD, the shipping was $13.1 HKD, so just under $2 USD.
df329
Jul 18th, 2005, 06:26 PM
i rec'd the $15 usb hub + card reader today! it's really tiny.
these guys are trustworthy!