If Canada Was Invaded - Would You Join the Resistance or the Collaborators?

[biosh]

If (god forbid) Canada were invaded and occupied by a foreign power (choose your favourite invader) - would you join the Resistance, trying to regain Canada's sovereignty - or would you join the Collaborators, supporting our new overlords?

[Blunt]

Depends who the overlords are...

Aliens & Giant Ants: Yes! I would join the Collaborators
Anyone Else: Resistance

;)

[dolphie]

Aliens & Giant Ants: Yes! I would join the Collaborators
rofl

[money1]

All Hail Our New Alien Overlords!

[Absolute]

I'd say resistance if it was the US, but definately collaborator if it was aliens, or genetically modified giant ants.

[devious9191]

Depends on why we're being invaded, and what we're promised after the invasion is over I guess.

[masterhapposai]

Depends who the overlords are...

Aliens & Giant Ants: Yes! I would join the Collaborators
Anyone Else: Resistance

;)

true, don't want to get raped by ants..

[bluetroll]

could you imagine the pain of a giant ants' boner in your ass?

[cipher]

If we were invaded by a horde of Amazonian women hellbent on making their male captives satisfy their pent up female desires then I would mostly likely submit to them.

[Carnage]

Vive la resistance!! :D

And don't forget the signal is the sound of a dieing girafe.

[gman]

Both.

[asim99]

resistance, may be by distributing pamphlets

[Blazin_Sunfire]

by day i would be a faithful servant to invaders. By night I shall plot to destroy tem all!

ALL HAIL CANADA!!

[canabiz]

If we were invaded by a horde of Amazonian women hellbent on making their male captives satisfy their pent up female desires then I would mostly likely submit to them.


:lol:

[curtis]

If (god forbid) Canada were invaded and occupied by a foreign power (choose your favourite invader) - would you join the Resistance, trying to regain Canada's sovereignty - or would you join the Collaborators, supporting our new overlords?


haha if Caanda was invaded... would anyone care?

[asim99]

haha if Caanda was invaded... would anyone care?

wouldnt you?

[Blunt]

Asim... relax a little.
;)

[asim99]

Asim... relax a little.
;)

did i do something?

[Freak]

I said Collaborator. We have already been taken over by the "Fiberals"...both Federally and Provincially...and no one seems to really care. They even bent us over backwards numerous times and probed us way worse than any alien ever would...I have NEVER voted Liberal and I never will...and I am sure a lot of you out there that picked "Resistance" have not resisted against the "Fiberal Regime". So I imagine that most of what people are saying is just "talk"...if Canada was really invaded...be it by aliens or people from Greenland we would bow down to them and take it like the b****** we are...now does anyone want to re-think their vote.

P.S. I have not and will not vote for the Conservatives either...Harper is a chump. I want an NDP minority government...with the Conservatives the official opposition and the Liberal below them...maybe even lower than the Green party in seats? Hmmm. That would be nice. Conservatives need to get their act together in a hurry...or the Liberals will win again.

P.S.S. Sorry...going off topic...I would also be a Collaborator if we were invaded by Giant Ants or Green Men from Mars.

Freak

[Blunt]

http://www.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/read/Simpsons1F13/SimpsonsAntSlave.jpg

[biosh]

...well, I've clearly underestimated the groundswell of concern about the giant mutant ant invasion - I guess I was imagining more trouble from within our own species.

Anyways, just to note, I got the idea for this topic as a spin-off from this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172285) - and here's a couple excerpts:

I would hope that if Canada were ever invaded and occupied by a foreign power, that we too, would have the persistence and ingenuity to mount a sustained and continuously improving campaign with the ultimate goal of regaining our sovereignty...
On a socio-economic level many contend we already are.

ingenuity or stupidity? campaign or cowardice?
Well we all know which camp you would fall into in the defense of Canada...

Beradon, can you lead us all in repeating the Traitor's Pledge of Collaboration:

"Our foreign overlords are benign and loving masters. We will serve their every need, inform on the freedom fighters, and expose the resistance. Death to patriots! Long live the righteous warlords!"

[gman]

I said Collaborator. We have already been taken over by the "Fiberals"...both Federally and Provincially...and no one seems to really care. They even bent us over backwards numerous times and probed us way worse than any alien ever would...I have NEVER voted Liberal and I never will...and I am sure a lot of you out there that picked "Resistance" have not resisted against the "Fiberal Regime". So I imagine that most of what people are saying is just "talk"...if Canada was really invaded...be it by aliens or people from Greenland we would bow down to them and take it like the b****** we are...now does anyone want to re-think their vote.

P.S. I have not and will not vote for the Conservatives either...Harper is a chump. I want an NDP minority government...with the Conservatives the official opposition and the Liberal below them...maybe even lower than the Green party in seats? Hmmm. That would be nice. Conservatives need to get their act together in a hurry...or the Liberals will win again.

P.S.S. Sorry...going off topic...I would also be a Collaborator if we were invaded by Giant Ants or Green Men from Mars.

Freak

Basically on the political history of this country, it seems you want to invade this country with 'new' order (not necessary bad). :D

[Absolute]

did i do something?

Alot of your posts give me the impression of someone anxiously sitting on their edge of their chair, waiting for a good debate or fight :)

[devious9191]

Alot of your posts give me the impression of someone anxiously sitting on their edge of their chair, waiting for a good debate or fight :)

lol. I do that myself. I usually only read threads that seem controversial. Helps break up the work day.

[asim99]

Alot of your posts give me the impression of someone anxiously sitting on their edge of their chair, waiting for a good debate or fight :)

must...resist...the....urge....to....respond :o

[akito925]

I'd do the duke nukem. lol.

kill, rip their heads up and $%^ down their neck.. haha.

anyways it all depends on the situation maybe both, maybe one or the other.

[Moberator]

Peter: Oh yeah? Him and what army?

Chris: The U.S. Army.

Peter: Ooh, that's a good army.

[d_jedi]

It depends on who's invading, and for what reasons. And, if I want the invaders out, it depends on whether resisting them will further that goal or not.

[cnbc]

If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em.

[bionicbadger]

Neither. I'd be an anarchist/psychopath and go around indiscrimantly killing people on both sides. :D

[CodecX81]

Neither. I'd be an anarchist/psychopath and go around indiscrimantly killing people on both sides. :D

I second that notion.

Quite frankly, if Canada were to be invaded... chances are in this stage of my life, I would never be able to reconcile back into a state of normalicy, and end up letting an alter ego take over.

Invaded by humans:
nightstrike against the patrolling Military police until I am killed

Invaded by Mutant ants:
create bomb which explodes shrapnel, vinegar and boiling hot water.
(ants hate that)

Or leave like ...poison cake laying around in picnic baskets. Never fails.

Aliens.. ahh. well. I'd congratulate and collaborate. Chances are they'd be taking over other countries too.. Also, they got into interplanetary space travel. Which is something we couldn't do. So we deserve to be taken.

Read... "Ruled Britannia" by Harry Turtledove for a thought on this subject.

[konfusion666]

If (god forbid) Canada were invaded and occupied by a foreign power (choose your favourite invader) - would you join the Resistance, trying to regain Canada's sovereignty - or would you join the Collaborators, supporting our new overlords?

Resistance, definitely. It's a no-brainer. I am not entertaining any "giant ant" scenarios either.

However, I don't think such a hypothetical situation can be directly compared to Iraq.

[aquariaguy]

Resistance!

Even if their are giant ants, I would just take out my arsenal of magnifying glasses. Always works! Except, i'll be collabrator at night, and resistance during day against ants.

[rai_dei]

I second that notion.

Quite frankly, if Canada were to be invaded... chances are in this stage of my life, I would never be able to reconcile back into a state of normalicy, and end up letting an alter ego take over.
I third that, also, I'm Batman!


Invaded by humans:
nightstrike against the patrolling Military police until I am killed
haha, strike swiftly upon the invaders with furious vengeance, and bring fear into their hearts...


Invaded by Mutant ants:
create bomb which explodes shrapnel, vinegar and boiling hot water.
(ants hate that)

Or leave like ...poison cake laying around in picnic baskets. Never fails.
yep, that also helps weed out the stupid people :D "mmmm... floor pie..."

Yeah, if Canada is ever invaded, at least the Liberals will finally be out of power...

[biosh]

However, I don't think such a hypothetical situation can be directly compared to Iraq.
Strictly speaking, you are correct. Though interestingly, I recently found out that Canada is the world's largest exporter of energy to the US - bigger than any of the Middle Eastern countries that get so much TLC from the yanks. (Interesting too, how that fact isn't well known and a point of pride amongst Canadians). I mean why hasn't George W. ever invited Paul Martin down to the ranch to hold hands with him, like he does with that Saudi prince? Probably, because we might actually start to be proud of ourselves and re-assert our place as a world leader...

Nonetheless, I find it interesting to compare Canada's situation to Iraq. Imagine if this invading foreign superpower, started training collaborator Canadians as "police" to "guard" our own country. Would anyone be surprised if those police and their training programs were the target of Canadian freedom fighters' attacks? Yet when it's spun up all nice in the media, many people are suddenly convinced that "insurgents" are fighting against the "loyal" citizens...

Why do I get the feeling that a goodly number of participants of this forum, would be first in line to get their shiny badges from the invading overlords and start taking out their frustrated ambitions on the true Canadians with some backbone? I guess history has just been a bad influence on me...

[devious9191]

Strictly speaking, you are correct. Though interestingly, I recently found out that Canada is the world's largest exporter of energy to the US - bigger than any of the Middle Eastern countries that get so much TLC from the yanks. (Interesting too, how that fact isn't well known and a point of pride amongst Canadians). I mean why hasn't George W. ever invited Paul Martin down to the ranch to hold hands with him, like he does with that Saudi prince? Probably, because we might actually start to be proud of ourselves and re-assert our place as a world leader...

The fact of the matter is, that it has been decades since we have been a world leader in anything. We have no economic impact on anything outside of our own borders (with some exceptions to the US), and our military would be hard pressed to defend our own borders, let alone press another nation to a course of action.

Nonetheless, I find it interesting to compare Canada's situation to Iraq. Imagine if this invading foreign superpower, started training collaborator Canadians as "police" to "guard" our own country. Would anyone be surprised if those police and their training programs were the target of Canadian freedom fighters' attacks? Yet when it's spun up all nice in the media, many people are suddenly convinced that "insurgents" are fighting against the "loyal" citizens...

Give me a break. Regardless of any media 'spin', it's shown that the insurgents in Iraq have no regard for civilian lives, on a daily basis. And these are their own people, that for the most part, have nothing to do with the conflict there.

Why do I get the feeling that a goodly number of participants of this forum, would be first in line to get their shiny badges from the invading overlords and start taking out their frustrated ambitions on the true Canadians with some backbone? I guess history has just been a bad influence on me...

If Canada suddenly becomes part of a dictatorship with the majority of the population being subject to the will of the minority, then I would hope that someone would step in. And if they're handing out badges to people that want to feed their families and try and promote a democracy in Iraq for the first time in 70? years, then more power to the people that are willing to fight for that.

[UrbanPoet]

well... According to religion (christianity) there are no aliens.
what about a crazy warlord that uses Zombies as weapons? Id love to go out blasting zombies.

[Txiasaeia]

well... According to religion (christianity) there are no aliens.

You want a crazy theory? The "serpent" in Genesis 3 is actually an intelligent creature, a "dark" version of humanity. Possible they're still "eating dust & crawling around on their bellies" underneath the surface of the earth, given the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of kilometers of unexplored subterranean caverns and whatnot.

The Tower of Babel is theorised to have been so massive that the tip of it would have been at the outer fringes of our atmosphere - can you say space elevator? Given that the average age of the ancients in the OT was around 700 years, and given the fact that at least ten generations passed in between the flood and the tower of babel, it's very possible that the time elapsed could possibly be from 300 to several thousand years. It took us 500 years to go from the middle age to atomic power and spaceflight; it's certainly possible that the ancients could have taken the technology beyond our current level.

Where do the aliens come in? What happens if some of these guys took off in their ships & have been returning over the past couple of thousand of years? Perhaps that's why some "aliens" commonly seen are humanoid.

Anyway, Christianity as a whole doesn't support these conclusions, but anything's possible, right? Interesting (free) book about all this is called "Cosmic Conflict and the Da'ath Wars." I have no idea who wrote it, nor whether *anything* in it is actually true, but it's certainly fascinating.

[biosh]

Regardless of any media 'spin', it's shown that the insurgents in Iraq have no regard for civilian lives, on a daily basis.
That is the funniest most contradictory statement I've read on RFD in quite some time!

:lol:

[i6s1]

Nonetheless, I find it interesting to compare Canada's situation to Iraq. Imagine if this invading foreign superpower, started training collaborator Canadians as "police" to "guard" our own country. Would anyone be surprised if those police and their training programs were the target of Canadian freedom fighters' attacks? Yet when it's spun up all nice in the media, many people are suddenly convinced that "insurgents" are fighting against the "loyal" citizens...


There isn't a comparison. Iraq was a dictatorship being turned into a democracy. Canada is already a democracy. If somehow there was a coop and a dictator took power in Canada, I'd be happy if someone invaded us to restore democracy, a la Granada.

Most Iraqis view the government as legitimate, as shown by the number who voted in the recent elections. There is no "spin" in the media - unless your viewpoint is that Saddam Hussien is still the legitimate president of Iraq. Which would mean that you don't respect democracy, something I doubt.

Further, I've never seen the media make the judgement that those who are dying are "loyal" citizens.

A suicide attack near an old mall in the Karada area killed seven civilians and wounded 10 others, the defense ministry said,

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/23/iraq.main/index.html

This from CNN's car-bomb-of-the-day story. It doesn't mention where the loyalties of the citizens lie.

[biosh]

There is no "spin" in the media...
Okay - this is a serious discussion - you guys gotta stop with the jokes! My sides are hurting from laughing so hard!

:lol:

[i6s1]

Okay - this is a serious discussion - you guys gotta stop with the jokes! My sides are hurting from laughing so hard!

:lol:

CONTEXT!

[biosh]

CONTEXT!
The context was even funnier! Imagine using media quotes to prove media has no spin... pure comic genius!

[neilson]

If the Mainland Chinese invaded Canada; noone would give a rats ass. In fact, just go ahead and replace French with Mandarin as the Secnodary Language, and it'll all be good.

[rai_dei]

If the Mainland Chinese invaded Canada; noone would give a rats ass. In fact, just go ahead and replace French with Mandarin as the Secnodary Language, and it'll all be good.
It'll be like in Firefly (the TV show...) :D

[aquariaguy]

If the Mainland Chinese invaded Canada; noone would give a rats ass. In fact, just go ahead and replace French with Mandarin as the Secnodary Language, and it'll all be good.

I would give a rat's ass! Theres already too many fobs in UW (especially DC library). I hate pacific mall too :) Just because i can't speak chinese they are so evil to me!! :evil:

[JuNGleR72]

reminds me of the movie RED DAWN,
USSR invades USA and a bunch of kids form a resistance to try and over throw the russians..

[Ojam]

reminds me of the movie RED DAWN,
USSR invades USA and a bunch of kids form a resistance to try and over throw the russians..

Red Dawn is an awesome movie!

[biosh]

Red Dawn is an awesome movie!
Patrick Swayze was never better! ;)

(Though, I'd bet when they watch it today, the irony would fly over the yanks' heads like shrapnel from an insurgent's car bomb...)

[b166er1337]

If the Mainland Chinese invaded Canada; noone would give a rats ass. In fact, just go ahead and replace French with Mandarin as the Secnodary Language, and it'll all be good.

In that case, watch out the emergence of many Tyler Durdens :)

[i6s1]

The context was even funnier! Imagine using media quotes to prove media has no spin... pure comic genius!

I wasn't using quotes to show they have no spin, I'm showing that they aren't making a judgement regarding the loyalties of murdered citizens.

[MrDisco]

since resistance is futile i guess i'll have to become a collabrator

[sk8]

*family guy's giant bug voice*

Good..Good...

[devious9191]

That is the funniest most contradictory statement I've read on RFD in quite some time!

:lol:

I don't get it. My point was that the media can't put a spin on facts. If 20 civilians get blown up by a suicide bomber while eating in a restaurant, 20 civilians get blown up by a suicide bomber while eating in a restaurant.

Maybe you could elaborate on what part of that statement made you laugh? :)

[asim99]

I don't get it. My point was that the media can't put a spin on facts. If 20 civilians get blown up by a suicide bomber while eating in a restaurant, 20 civilians get blown up by a suicide bomber while eating in a restaurant.

Maybe you could elaborate on what part of that statement made you laugh? :)

i think the media can put spin by slanting the cotext in which the facts are presented...

[Daemar]

Chances of China invading Canada and the US doing nothing about it is negligible.

Chances of aliens and giant ants invading Canada while there are more strategic targets available is next to none.

If the US did invade us, the entire world would come to our aid just to spite the US.

But if any nation or other species did invade Canada, they better be changing things for the better or else the resistance is on!

[Ojam]

I don't get it. My point was that the media can't put a spin on facts. If 20 civilians get blown up by a suicide bomber while eating in a restaurant, 20 civilians get blown up by a suicide bomber while eating in a restaurant.

Maybe you could elaborate on what part of that statement made you laugh? :)
"20 civilians killed by suicide bomber at noon"

"20 parents going to pick up their children from school slaughter by Shiite suicide bomber at noon"

"20 infidels freed at noon by freedom fighter"

"21 people killed at noon"

"21 people injured by bomb at noon"

"20 civilians killed when US open fire on freedom fighter hitting his ammo causing an explosion at noon"

"20 bystanders killed as fighting continues"

I'm sure there are more ways to say the same thing.

[rai_dei]

*family guy's giant bug voice*

Good..Good...
http://img147.echo.cx/img147/7864/evilbuggoodgood5qx.gif
just thought that some people in this thread need to lighten up :lol:

[biosh]

"20 civilians killed by suicide bomber at noon"

"20 parents going to pick up their children from school slaughter by Shiite suicide bomber at noon"

"20 infidels freed at noon by freedom fighter"

"21 people killed at noon"

"21 people injured by bomb at noon"

"20 civilians killed when US open fire on freedom fighter hitting his ammo causing an explosion at noon"

"20 bystanders killed as fighting continues"

I'm sure there are more ways to say the same thing.
...not to mention the "fact" that facts are themselves selectively reported. For instance - US soldier casualties were well reported up till about a year ago when they topped 1,000 dead - now you only occasionally hear mention of them, unless it's something spectacular, even though the number has now risen to over 1,700...

The word "fact" is rarely factual - actually, when you see it used these days I recommend being highly suspicious...

(For more examples of how the media used spin in the early days of the war, you could do worse than renting the DVD: Control Room (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/control_room/)...)

[Ojam]

http://img147.echo.cx/img147/7864/evilbuggoodgood5qx.gif
just thought that some people in this thread need to lighten up :lol:

;)
Ladies and gentlemen, er, we've just lost the picture, but,
uh, what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft
has been taken over -- "conquered", if you will -- by a master
race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this
vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men
or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no
stopping them; the ants will soon be here.
And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to
remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful
in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar
caves.

[rai_dei]

Bah, forget the ants! I'm more concerned with the Borg situation as pointed out before... :arrowd:

since resistance is futile i guess i'll have to become a collabrator

[sk8]

http://img147.echo.cx/img147/7864/evilbuggoodgood5qx.gif
just thought that some people in this thread need to lighten up :lol:
buahahha nice i was looking for that

[manixc]

I would be a collaborator. :D

[yatko]

If the invaders were Amazons (esp good looking ones) I am on their side (Actually back).

Otherwise, whoever is paying more :>)

[yatko]

Be a collaborator - imagine the fun of shooting down our corrupt politicians. :D

haha they would become collaborators even before you knew it

[rai_dei]

haha they would become collaborators even before you knew it
then become a collaborator and make their deaths look like a tragic accident... I'm sure with all the destruction and devastation our new alien overlords will bring, there would be no thorough investigation...
Take 'em down from the inside!!

[biosh]

...whoever is paying more :>)
Then you are already a collaborator... shame!

:|

[aquariaguy]

Then you are already a collaborator... shame!

:|


This is getting confusing. :D

[guest10586]

This is getting confusing. :D

:confused:

[Blunt]

Beware, the ants are gonna try infiltrating society first, before they attack.

http://www.embellishments.us/images/summer/sandcastle%20ants.jpg
http://www.insecta-inspecta.com/ants/argentine/argentin2.gif

[biosh]

I don't get it. My point was that the media can't put a spin on facts.
Another very interesting perspective which may help to clarify the meaning of facts and spin in Iraq, is this recent episode of PBS's Frontline called "Private Warriors" (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/). It was on TV this past week, and is available online at the above link. It certainly showed me many new "facts"...

:)