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ZeeTX
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:10 AM
NVidia GeForce 7800 GTX Review - OUT..:!: (http://www.hardspell.com/hard/showcont.asp?news_id=14372&pageid=3099) [Use Google Translator (http://www.google.com/translate_t)]
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Homer88
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:12 AM
Wow, the X800XL looks like a wimp in those benchmarks

Xboxgp
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:27 AM
How much is this card going to cost? 800$+?

ZeeTX
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:29 AM
How much is this card going to cost? 800$+?
Between $500 - $550 US.. :razz:

elty
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:41 AM
Wow, the X800XL looks like a wimp in those benchmarks

The 800XL is actually quite good compared to 6800 Ultra, and 800XL is really just the 4th card from ATI (800XL < 800XT < 850XT < 850PE)

but I think the review is stupid to compare a 800XL.. It is like saying FX5800 is fast when compared to a 9500.

I am quite disappointed tho.. the performance increase is not as big as I expect... in some game it has no improvement over old 6800 Ultra even at 1600x1200.

Also, it is goign to retail for $649 USD.

Canadianpsycho
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:42 AM
Wow, the X800XL looks like a wimp in those benchmarks

That's because its a different pricepoint. Pretty lame review not even including the X850XT PE... Its like comparing 0-60 times of a Ferrari to a Mustang.

Unless the review is by AT, HardOCP, or maybe (ugh) Tom's I won't believe squat.

JayPatel
Jun 21st, 2005, 10:50 AM
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luthair
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:40 AM
That's because its a different pricepoint. Pretty lame review not even including the X850XT PE... Its like comparing 0-60 times of a Ferrari to a Mustang.

Unless the review is by AT, HardOCP, or maybe (ugh) Tom's I won't believe squat.

Yup, $400 card vs a $600 card.

UT2k4 was a dumb game to benchmark, as it was already CPU limited :)

You wonder if the 7800 will push down the pricing on the lower cards, of if they'll just tack 100-200 on top of the higher priced cards.

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Jun 21st, 2005, 12:22 PM
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radeonboy
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:28 PM
Overated. Doesnt seem like a "huge" jump than Nvidia stated...They said it would be like 60% better than the current nvidia offering.

All these cards don't make much difference right now when all these games dont take advantage of shyte like PCI-Express, shaders, etc. My 9700 Pro can still play all these new games. When my card cannot play the new games no more, then I will get an upgrade.

rubberband
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:31 PM
Close to $1000 after taxes. Wow. :confused:

duckdown
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:40 PM
2 of these badboys in SLi along with a new FX-57 would be DOMINATION..

I think I know where my next $3k is going into

Evil Techie
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:45 PM
cmon, 6800 drop your pants and drop your price

luthair
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:50 PM
Overated. Doesnt seem like a "huge" jump than Nvidia stated...They said it would be like 60% better than the current nvidia offering.

All these cards don't make much difference right now when all these games dont take advantage of shyte like PCI-Express, shaders, etc. My 9700 Pro can still play all these new games. When my card cannot play the new games no more, then I will get an upgrade.

A 9700 might be able to play the games but at a much lower res and fewer options. Games will never 'take advantage of PCIe', its a system bus.

konfusion666
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:56 PM
Indeed, the jump from 6800 Ultra to 7800 GTX is nothing compared to the jump from 9800XT to X800XTPE!

A bit disappointed, I am...

ShadowVlican
Jun 21st, 2005, 01:44 PM
I am quite disappointed tho.. the performance increase is not as big as I expect... in some game it has no improvement over old 6800 Ultra even at 1600x1200.
actually... i think otherwise....

there is alot of improvement, it's just that the CPU is the limiting factor... just shove a 4Ghz FX in there and smile :)

ZeeTX
Jun 21st, 2005, 01:50 PM
actually... i think otherwise....

there is alot of improvement, it's just that the CPU is the limiting factor... just shove a 4Ghz FX in there and smile :)
LOL a 4Ghz FX - That's quite interesting.. ;)

But you can definitely shove a 3Ghz FX by the end of this year - 2005.. :)

ShadowVlican
Jun 21st, 2005, 02:08 PM
LOL a 4Ghz FX - That's quite interesting.. ;)

But you can definitely shove a 3Ghz FX by the end of this year - 2005.. :)
wasn't there one that was OCed to 4Ghz?

duckdown
Jun 21st, 2005, 02:11 PM
i hope the fx-57 san diego core can overclock like a mofo.. thats my next planned purchase..

KevC
Jun 21st, 2005, 02:11 PM
Indeed, the jump from 6800 Ultra to 7800 GTX is nothing compared to the jump from 9800XT to X800XTPE!

A bit disappointed, I am...

The jump from the 6800Ultra to the 7800GTX is nothing compared to the jump from the FX5900 to the 6800Ultra either. So I dunno how that's a valid argument.

LegiT
Jun 21st, 2005, 02:16 PM
A bit disappointed, I am...

Talk like yoda, we must.

lol, anyhow, I don't think it's worth spending $850 on this. I'd rather buy the middle class version of it, the 7800 GT. Should be around $600-$700, an ok price for more performance than the 6800 Gt (hopefully).

George W. Bush
Jun 21st, 2005, 03:16 PM
No thank you. Gonna wait for better ATI cards out there. Nothing new here, just a catch game being played with ATI on nVIDIAs part.

konfusion666
Jun 21st, 2005, 03:54 PM
The jump from the 6800Ultra to the 7800GTX is nothing compared to the jump from the FX5900 to the 6800Ultra either. So I dunno how that's a valid argument.

that is precisely my point. we had a greater % improvement in performance going from NV30 --> NV40 compared to NV40 --> G70.

elty
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:11 PM
actually... i think otherwise....

there is alot of improvement, it's just that the CPU is the limiting factor... just shove a 4Ghz FX in there and smile :)

in some game that is clearly not limited by CPU (when SLI adds like 70% performance, it is less likely to be limited by CPU) the FX7 only managed to be like, 2 fps faster?

the jump from GeForce 4600 to Radeon 9700 Pro is huge across the board. the jump from 9800XT to X800 PE/6800 Ultra is huge. However, not so for the FX7800.

ShadowVlican
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:20 PM
in some game that is clearly not limited by CPU (when SLI adds like 70% performance, it is less likely to be limited by CPU) the FX7 only managed to be like, 2 fps faster?
i know that.. and there are no benches like that on the first page... didn't bother reading the review cuz i dunno chinese... only one CPU limited was unreal

seems like there's at least 25% improvement over the 6800u

radeonboy
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:22 PM
A 9700 might be able to play the games but at a much lower res and fewer options. Games will never 'take advantage of PCIe', its a system bus.

Actually I play all my games at 1024x768 with all eyecandy turned on and get constant smooth FPS around 60+. Doom 3, FarCry, HL-2, you name it. I guess my A64 is helping out as well :D

konfusion666
Jun 21st, 2005, 06:54 PM
the jump from GeForce 4600 to Radeon 9700 Pro is huge across the board. the jump from 9800XT to X800 PE/6800 Ultra is huge. However, not so for the FX7800.

exactly, that's why this is disappointing to me *so far*. of course, i am willing to be proven wrong, i.e. that the chinese website didn't do the benchmark correctly or have the proper drivers, and the Anandtech/Toms benchmarks show the 7800 to be a much better card...

i mean, this thing is going to cost at least $850 CAD when it comes out in Canada! Embarrassing that it only provides a small improvement over a CAD $400 card (X800XL).

konfusion666
Jun 21st, 2005, 06:57 PM
G90 benchmarks (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a112/JME_F1delity/G90Benches.png) (credit HardForum)

elty
Jun 21st, 2005, 06:59 PM
Let's take a look this...

High resolution and high AA setting can easily push the graphic card to the limit.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1683&p=18
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1683&p=19
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1683&p=20

The Radeon 9700 Pro managed to be, in one case 5 times faster than the old champion, GeForce 4600.

Now check how the 6800 Ultra perform against the previous champion, 9800XT
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2023&p=17
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2023&p=22

Still a good 50%~100% increase of performance most of the case, still aamzing

but what we get from FX7800?

30% better in HL2
20% better in Doom 3
30% faster in FarCry

Nowhere near the 60% claimed by nVidia!

Of cuz, it is the fastest card available now, but it is much less "revolutionary"

elty
Jun 21st, 2005, 07:05 PM
here is something for non chiense folks. Seems to be true PS3 IS faster than the G70 (So why drop $1000 on a video card when you can get better on a console for $600?)


http://www.hardspell.com/newsimage/2005-6-21-16-10-14-654986702.gif

hot-m3d1c
Jun 21st, 2005, 07:26 PM
i'll pick it up tomorrow

squall458
Jun 21st, 2005, 07:41 PM
i'll pick it up tomorrow

lol make sure to leave some for me

JayPatel
Jun 21st, 2005, 07:54 PM
I've secured one for testing purposes :) 5 more days

zerocool24
Jun 21st, 2005, 09:07 PM
here is something for non chiense folks. Seems to be true PS3 IS faster than the G70 (So why drop $1000 on a video card when you can get better on a console for $600?)


http://www.hardspell.com/newsimage/2005-6-21-16-10-14-654986702.gif

well when will the ps3 be out? 18 months? 12 months? when can you get a geforce 7800? wait till the 8800 gtx or whatever the next gen will be called then they will be similar in performance.

JayPatel
Jun 21st, 2005, 09:34 PM
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JayPatel
Jun 21st, 2005, 09:36 PM
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JayPatel
Jun 21st, 2005, 09:38 PM
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JayPatel
Jun 21st, 2005, 09:39 PM
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JetSter735180
Jun 22nd, 2005, 01:00 AM
So this card isn't a big increase compared to the 6800 Ultra's....so I should keep both of my eVGA 6800 Ultra's in SLI...and not get this card right ?

JayPatel
Jun 22nd, 2005, 01:21 AM
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050621/index.html

ZeeTX
Jun 22nd, 2005, 10:13 AM
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050621/index.html
That's just a Preview.

Here are more detailed Reviews:
ANANDTECH.COM (http://anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2451)
BEYOND3D.COM (http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/g70/)
HEXUS.NET (http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review_print.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjk4)

HOTHARDWARE.COM (http://hothardware.com/printarticle.cfm?articleid=697)

PCPERSPECTIVE.COM (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=150&type=expert)

sleepyguy
Jun 22nd, 2005, 10:38 AM
Taken from Anandtech.com

"Overall, we consider this a successful launch. Aside from the performance of the 7800 GTX, we can infer that the PS3's RSX will be even more powerful than the G70. As RSX will be a 90nm part and will still have some time to develop further, the design will likely be even easier to program, faster, and full of more new features. "

That is just silly... spend $900+ (just a guess, I have no idea what the cost is) on a video card when a $500 console (xbox360 will be less) will smoke it...

JayPatel
Jun 22nd, 2005, 10:44 AM
havent read all the details of anandtechs review but why is a 6800 Ultra SLI beating a GTX SLI rig in games? Probably driver issues..

This thing is a beast though in high res...look at them SPlinter Cell 3 scores...it demolishes a 6800 Ultra.

LegiT
Jun 22nd, 2005, 10:55 AM
That is just silly... spend $900+ (just a guess, I have no idea what the cost is) on a video card when a $500 console (xbox360 will be less) will smoke it...

There are many more uses for computers than consoles is there not?
CAD software, graphics developing software and such...Consoles are cheap cause they rake in the profits from the games they sell. If consoles were to be able to do everything normal computers can do, and get their profits from the amount of consoles they sell, I'm sure consoles wouldn't be priced at a low price such as that.

konfusion666
Jun 22nd, 2005, 01:27 PM
That is just silly... spend $900+ (just a guess, I have no idea what the cost is) on a video card when a $500 console (xbox360 will be less) will smoke it...

Not silly at all because you are not playing the same games on the two.

For me, the only (1) game I play on computer which has a console version is GTA:SA... and I personally think it sucks, will probably stop playing it after 2 weeks or less.

sleepyguy
Jun 22nd, 2005, 01:42 PM
True BUT these cards (G70) are MADE for games. Take a look at REAL 3D cards... they are dedicated and cost alot more.

As for different games on PC vs Console... point taken.

I still find it a rip off though... but just imho.

G70 does smoke the competitions... now awaiting ATIs NextGen.

There are many more uses for computers than consoles is there not?
CAD software, graphics developing software and such...Consoles are cheap cause they rake in the profits from the games they sell. If consoles were to be able to do everything normal computers can do, and get their profits from the amount of consoles they sell, I'm sure consoles wouldn't be priced at a low price such as that.

kgeorge78
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:01 PM
I get mine tomorrow ! !


Let u know how it works!

i6s1
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
We should start seeing a lot of 6800s in the BST.

hamhead
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:35 PM
lol, wasting loads of cash on a vid card to give u a few more fps in games which u wont even know the difference, im still happy w/ my 6600gt on my AMD64 3000+ computer, heck, i use my xp2600+ w/ Ti4200 computer MORE than the newer one for gaming as it can still play all the games i want, LOL

Sgt_Strider
Jun 22nd, 2005, 04:05 PM
Wow, I'm actually surprised that Nvidia didn't announced mainstream version of the G70. The GTX is a bit too expensive for my blood. I'm looking for something in the $300-$400 range...

rahzel
Jun 22nd, 2005, 04:20 PM
Wow, I'm actually surprised that Nvidia didn't announced mainstream version of the G70. The GTX is a bit too expensive for my blood. I'm looking for something in the $300-$400 range...
me too... id never spend that much on a videocard. I hope ATI is coming out with one.

Canadianpsycho
Jun 22nd, 2005, 05:13 PM
lol, wasting loads of cash on a vid card to give u a few more fps in games which u wont even know the difference, im still happy w/ my 6600gt on my AMD64 3000+ computer, heck, i use my xp2600+ w/ Ti4200 computer MORE than the newer one for gaming as it can still play all the games i want, LOL

Wait until you try gaming on a 20" LCD and up. I barely get the framerates I want on my 19" LCD with my rig.

If you're settling for non native resolution and lower then 60 fps minimum, you're not gaming. You're merely getting by.

That being said, I won't spend that much on a Videocard, and I paid 400 US for my 6800. I think I may just go dedicated console gaming (can't believe I'm saying that, I feel so dirty.)

The next step for me (20"+ LCD and matching Vidcard/CPU) is just too great financially.

sleepyguy
Jun 22nd, 2005, 05:15 PM
I jumped on the bandwagon a LONG time ago.. ever since I got an Xbox and an HDTV :)

I very curious how the R500/520 will perform though... I've been out of the how video card loop for so long now... only own a 9700 Pro.

Wait until you try gaming on a 20" LCD and up. I barely get the framerates I want on my 19" LCD with my rig.

If you're settling for non native resolution and lower then 60 fps minimum, you're not gaming. You're merely getting by.

That being said, I won't spend that much on a Videocard, and I paid 400 US for my 6800. I think I may just go dedicated console gaming (can't believe I'm saying that, I feel so dirty.)

The next step for me (20"+ LCD and matching Vidcard/CPU) is just too great financially.

Evil Techie
Jun 22nd, 2005, 06:35 PM
here is NCIX selling it

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15476&vpn=256-P2-N528&manufacture=eVGA

ZeeTX
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:24 PM
here is NCIX selling it

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15476&vpn=256-P2-N528&manufacture=eVGA
Its already posted on the First page (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1786894&postcount=9) of this thread.

But HERE is a better DEAL (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172337) than the above.

amd_fanatic
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:26 PM
is this really worth it? If you have a 6800 gt or ultra I see no point. IM gunna wait for the 8800:P

Sgt_Strider
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:29 PM
is this really worth it? If you have a 6800 gt or ultra I see no point. IM gunna wait for the 8800:P

I think you're probably better off getting a faster CPU if you have a Geforce 6800 GT.

Canadianpsycho
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:31 PM
I think you're probably better off getting a faster CPU if you have a Geforce 6800 GT.


With that system he better be overclocking. AT ran their benchmarks with a stock FX-55, so if he's around my speed he's probably fine in the CPU department.

ZeeTX
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:31 PM
is this really worth it? If you have a 6800 gt or ultra I see no point. IM gunna wait for the 8800:P
To make it clear - This single card (7800 GTX) destroys 2 X 6800 ULTRA running in SLi mode.. :twisted:

Killamajig
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:32 PM
Toms Hardware has a graph that shows the performance increase using the new card, as well as a editorial entitled SLI Stands for Silly (http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20050622/index.html). And the ATI card is a 850 something. They also have a few other links over here (http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/200506221/index.html), and a full review at This Page (http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050622/index.html) including benchmarks.

http://img35.echo.cx/img35/9527/image0366nk.gif
You'll notice that the performance edge for the 7800 increases for the higher resolution configurations. The single 7800 system bested the ATI card anywhere from 8 to 51 percent, and the single 7800 beat the single 6800 card anywhere from 6 to 27 %.
So why wait? Several reasons. We all know that ATI has something to deliver soon and chances are it will best the 7800 in at least a few areas. You might want to wait until the initial feeding frenzy and midnight madness subsides and prices return to reasonable levels, or at least within striking distance of the MSRP. Waiting also might help increase the actual number of applications that will support the parallel pipes on the 7800, and maybe we'll see a few business-oriented apps join in as well. And you might want to let the motherboard makers get all the kinks out of their BIOS and firmware support for SLI, which vexed our staff in our initial tests (especially on some of the newer dual-core Intel boards as our stress test series has documented).

LegiT
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:33 PM
To make it clear - This single card (7800 GTX) destroys 2 X 6800 ULTRA running in SLi mode.. :twisted:


Only in some games does the single 7 series demolish the ultras in sli, but not all.

The 7800 GTx SLI lost to the 6800 ultras due to driver issues that haven't been developed enough for the 7 series.

Canadianpsycho
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:34 PM
To make it clear - This single card (7800 GTX) destroys 2 X 6800 ULTRA running in SLi mode.. :twisted:

OK we get the fricken point already.

Chances are if he/she/it didn't buy 2 x Ultras in the first place, he's not gonna plunk down ~900 bucks for a single card. Christ.

ZeeTX
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:37 PM
OK we get the fricken point already.

Chances are if he/she/it didn't buy 2 x Ultras in the first place, he's not gonna plunk down ~900 bucks for a single card. Christ.
Yes, thats true but Nvidia is pushing the prices down on both SLi Mobos and Graphics cards.
So now it is no point in investing a frikkin amount of money on 6800 Ultras..:!:

Canadianpsycho
Jun 22nd, 2005, 07:46 PM
Yes, thats true but Nvidia is pushing the prices down on both SLi Mobos and Graphics cards.
So now it is no point in investing a frikkin amount of money on 6800 Ultras..:!:

Yeah, those prices sure are plummeting. :rolleyes: Keep going man, you're on a roll...

The thing could cook breakfast and most (read: average gamers) people still won't buy it at that cost.

A 6800 Ultra, X850 (XT PE ABC whatever) will give them more then they want, for much less. Especially if they just shelled out 400-600 bucks over the last few months to get there they will be less inclined to upgrade.

ZeeTX
Jun 22nd, 2005, 10:43 PM
The thing could cook breakfast and most (read: average gamers) people still won't buy it at that cost.

A 6800 Ultra, X850 (XT PE ABC whatever) will give them more then they want, for much less. Especially if they just shelled out 400-600 bucks over the last few months to get there they will be less inclined to upgrade.
Yeah, I can see that from your rig in your sig.. :cheesygri
But I really don't know why you went for a 6800GT unless you bought them in pair for the SLi setup.

The most popular choice for - As you said "average gamers" is 6600GT a sigle card or in pairs (2 X 6600GT) for SLi setup and then tweak/overclock them to reach closer to the performance of a 6800GT.

This card is clearly not for the average gamer and if you are one then wait for the lower spec cards of 7800 to come out.

Canadianpsycho
Jun 22nd, 2005, 11:14 PM
Yeah, I can see that from your rig in your sig.. :cheesygri
But I really don't know why you went for a 6800GT unless you bought them in pair for the SLi setup.

The most popular choice for - As you said "average gamers" is 6600GT a sigle card or in pairs (2 X 6600GT) for SLi setup and then tweak/overclock them to reach closer to the performance of a 6800GT.

This card is clearly not for the average gamer and if you are one then wait for the lower spec cards of 7800 to come out.

Sorry, but 1 x 6800GT > 2 x 6600GT. That's why I made my choice (also considered SLI if I found a deal). Not to mention a 6800GT is guaranteed to run pretty much Ultra speeds or higher.

Anyways, I was >< this close to buying a 7800 GTX. Slapped myself silly and I'm feeling better now.

anabeces
Jun 23rd, 2005, 02:10 AM
terrible benchmarks...

all benchmarks are on games that favor nvidia...
-try a hl2 benchmark

way to compare the top of the line nvidia cards versus ati's bang for buck card.
...

Desibabu3k
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:00 AM
Impressive numbers, but I'm in no hurry to toss out my X850 XT PE.

sfu_lifer
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:14 AM
I'll wait next year for games that take advantage of this baby :)
Hopefully by then PS3 is out and we can see what PCs have to offer.

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 09:24 AM
Sorry, but 1 x 6800GT > 2 x 6600GT. That's why I made my choice (also considered SLI if I found a deal). Not to mention a 6800GT is guaranteed to run pretty much Ultra speeds or higher.
If you consider that 1 x 6800GT > 2 x 6600GT then its same here with regard to 7800GTX i.e.,
1 x 7800GTX > 2 x 6800GT or 2 x 6800ULTRA. (NO matter at how speeds a 6800GT/ULTRA can attain).

Canadianpsycho
Jun 23rd, 2005, 09:39 AM
I don't think you understand me. Time to use point form.

-I fully recognize that the 7800 GTX is fast.
-I also fully recognize it is cheaper and faster then new Ultras in SLI. Heck, its cheaper then some ultras listed at some etailers
-Even though the 7800GTX is fater then my 6800GT, I will not spend an extra 400 bucks to sell mine and buy the newer card.
-The 6800 GT is better then 2 6600GTs in SLI given current game support and the RAM on the 6800GT. This in no way detracts from the 7800 GTXs performance.
-I do not recognize the need for 900 bucks for the card, especially for those of us that have already invested in 6800GTs and up, or current SLI rigs.
-Average gamers do not care that it washes the car, cooks breakfast, renders Freeman's pubic hair 10 percent faster then 2 cards. They will not pay 900 bucks for it if they are the average gamer.
-Nvidia is catering only to high end powerusers. Which is fine, they will sell, and quite well.
-If you have a 20" and up LCD, this is the only card I would buy right now if I were you, as it can deliver good FPS and IQ (AA and AF).

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:59 AM
There are other points that make 7800 better than 6800GT or ULTRA than just the cost.

- 7800 consumes 50% less power from your PSU/PC than a 6800GT or ULTRA.
- 7800 utilizes much less CPU usage than a 6800GT or ULTRA.

I agree that its very difficult for you even to think of a 7800 with 6800GT in your system. But again as I said earlier this card may not be suitable for the "average gamer".

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 12:04 PM
Here are "UT-2007" Gameplay videos on a 7800

WM9 320x180 - 12.5MB (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/pc/article/628/628004/unreal2007_062105_wmvlowwide.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fm edia.pc.gamespy.com%2Fmedia%2F746%2F746632%2Fvid_1 157067.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

UNREAL ENGINE 3 Demo Footage on a 7800 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/pc/article/628/628007/unrealdemo_062105_wmvlowwide.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fm edia.pc.gamespy.com%2Farticles%2F628%2F628007%2Fvi d_1157079.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

konfusion666
Jun 23rd, 2005, 12:29 PM
- 7800 consumes 50% less power from your PSU/PC than a 6800GT or ULTRA.

50% less power? hahahaha... ok buddy. :lol:

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 12:54 PM
50% less power? hahahaha... ok buddy. :lol:
NVIDIA has in a way has made history by announcing their new GeForce 7800 GTX video card and making it available on the same day.

NVIDIA's new 7800 GTX is not only faster than its predecessor the 6800 Ultra, but it requires 50% percent less power from your power supply, and that’s quite an accomplishment. The new 7800 GTX has more than 300 million transistors making it the most advanced GPU to come out of NVIDIA to date. In some gaming benchmarks the new 7800 GTX showed up to a 2.3X the performance of a dual-slot SLI based GeForce 6800 Ultra system. And the 7800 GTX only requires a single slot in your PC, great for the smaller cases.

More HERE - SOURCE (http://news.designtechnica.com/article7692.html)
Got it buddy.... :razz: :lol: :lol:

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 12:58 PM
terrible benchmarks...

all benchmarks are on games that favor nvidia...
-try a hl2 benchmark

way to compare the top of the line nvidia cards versus ati's bang for buck card.
...
This is just for you.. :razz:

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/7711/hl27hr.png

konfusion666
Jun 23rd, 2005, 01:08 PM
Got it buddy.... :razz: :lol: :lol:

sounds like you just quoted a press release. i'd be more inclined to believe it if you can find some sort of real-world "benchmarks" that demonstrate it... i.e. power measurements.

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 01:44 PM
I agree that 50% less consumption was way wrongly quoted by Designtechnica (http://news.designtechnica.com/article7692.html).
Although there is 10% less power consumption between 7800 GTX and 6800Ultra or X850 XT PE + plus not to forget the performance boost. You can go through the review of ANANDTECH.COM (for real world benchmarks) posted here in this thread.

anabeces
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:37 PM
This is just for you.. :razz:

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/7711/hl27hr.png

we will see once the crossfire is released...

ZeeTX
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:55 PM
we will see once the crossfire is released...
Talk about NOW. Anyone can say we'll see once this or that comes out. What if Nvidia pulls out something out of their sleeves when crossfire is out..:?:

It is not that I don't like ATI but the gap between launch and release dates and then availability of the ATI cards is letting them down or say a little slower which makes the market easier for Nvidia.

jollyeskimo
Jul 1st, 2005, 02:12 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24239

looks like MSI K8N SLI users are out of luck...

Sgt_Strider
Jul 1st, 2005, 05:28 AM
we will see once the crossfire is released...

A Crossfire solution with the current r400 series is probably not going to beat SLI 7800 GTX's. Only when and if ATI releases their r520's will Nvidia see some serious competition.