Science @ Mac, UofT, or UTM?

[nerdonsite]

first of all, sorry for another university thread, but I am having a REALLY tough time deciding on a University. I got into life sci at Mac and UTM, and Human bio at UofT downtown.

Ive heard from a lot of people that Mac has an overall easier science program than UofT, making your life less stressful. But the bad thing about it is the cost of residence and less recognition of the degree than UofT's.

UTM would be the easiest in terms of not having ot cook/clean and not having ot pay for res. However, most people i talk to from UTM tell me to stear clear because its too hard. I'm not really afraid to work hard and know i can get the marks if i do (i have a 90% average right now).

UofT downtown gives u a better education and its degree is more recognized from what i hear. also, it offers a lot more and interesting courses in 3rd/4th year than either mac or UTM. But, the cost of Res is WAY too much (8k at new college). If i commute there (by car) every day, it wil ltake atleast an hour each way (inclusing traffic and other regular delays).

so... as u can see, its a pretty tough choice and any input from u guys will be greatly appriciated.

[KevC]

Commuting to St. George really sucks, so you might be better off going to MAC. They have an on-campus hospital, so that's a plus for you.

If you really want to go to St. George (very good school, I love it, I'm in science too, not lifesci though) I'd recommend you get a metropass and park at a TTC station. Driving and parking downtown will be way more expensive *and* cause more headaches.

[squall458]

if its for science, downtown st.george ownz them all. there is no other program/place that can rival or match the science program at UT downtown (in Canada). Its their speciality in my opinion. if you think otherwise, your simply biased or ignorant. factoring other things like residence and commuting would alter this depending on what you need. i wouldnt go to UTM though, i say Mac would be better.

[simms]

UTSG + student loans = rez. Done.

Don't bother with UTM.

[JimG]

Avoid UTM, I liked it at Mac, can't say anything about UT downtown though, but Mac has a smaller campus, which I find a plus myself. I just finished first year science at Mac.

Jim

[purple_rabbit]

Well I took courses from both UTM and UT St George.

For commerce and management the level of difficulty is the same on both campuses as the teachers and exams are the same. I actually found that UTM had a higher level than St George (but I'm not here to debate that). I am suspecting that they are of about equal level for science as well. I would avoid UTSG because it's crowded and really impersonal unless you're on res. If you're on res, you'll make plenty of friends (aw the good ole times...). If you want a more "campus-like" university, UTM is good.

As for recognition, it won't make a difference if you're a UTM, UTSC or UTSG student because you'll all be graduating with the same UofT degree. Now that I have said that, I will now be accepting any congratulations because I'M GRADUATING IN 8 DAYS :lol: :lol: :lol:

[purple_rabbit]

Avoid UTM


UTSG + student loans = rez. Done.

Don't bother with UTM.

That's hardly an argument.

[b166er1337]

UTM would be the easiest in terms of not having ot cook/clean and not having ot pay for res. However, most people i talk to from UTM tell me to stear clear because its too hard. I'm not really afraid to work hard and know i can get the marks if i do (i have a 90% average right now).


90% in high school means nothing. University is a whole different ball game :D
and yes, UTM is hard.


UofT downtown gives u a better education and its degree is more recognized from what i hear. also, it offers a lot more and interesting courses in 3rd/4th year than either mac or UTM. But, the cost of Res is WAY too much (8k at new college). If i commute there (by car) every day, it wil ltake atleast an hour each way (inclusing traffic and other regular delays).



The degree from UTM is the same as St. George...they are both UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO.
but yeah...if u wana commute, good luck :lol:
Or you can take shuttle bus from utm to dt, but for non-utm student, the cost is $6 for one way trip.

[JimG]

That's hardly an argument.

First year biology at UTM focuses way too heavily on fossil evidence in support of evolution theory. A lot of what they're teaching is outdated, least that's what I gather from current students, and educators.

Jim

[b166er1337]

I'M GRADUATING IN 8 DAYS :lol: :lol: :lol:

Congratulations :D

but the best part of your life is over...
student life will be a history fo ya :D

[b166er1337]

First year biology at UTM focuses way too heavily on fossil evidence in support of evolution theory. A lot of what they're teaching is outdated, least that's what I gather from current students, and educators.

Jim

i don't think first yr bio in utm focus too much on fossil evidence. UT bio is much harder than almost all other universities in Canada (maybe not UBC??)..

but to be honest, utm destroys my faith & love in biology :twisted:

[insertnamehere]

Don't bother driving downtown...it'll be a large headache when you figure out your schedule and find that you have to travel during rush hour to and from school...in addition you'll have to pay for parking, gas, etc, etc...if you need to commute, try using the GO...if you live near the Lakeshore line, commuting is a snap since the train makes everything that much easier...

But if you can somehow get the cash, try and live on rez...it'll help your UofT experience...being a day student/commuter contributes to the "impersonal feel of UTSG"...

[purple_rabbit]

Congratulations :D

but the best part of your life is over...
student life will be a history fo ya :D

aww thanx mate :D

I know what you mean man :( You know those 1 hour work days (...followed by a 5 hour break) and sleeping at 7 am and waking up a 2 in the afternoon is over. Goodbye laziness, hello 9 hour workdays!

[nerdonsite]

I will now be accepting any congratulations because I'M GRADUATING IN 8 DAYS :lol: :lol: :lol:

lol congrats :cheesygri did u have a fun 4 years?

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thanks for all the input guys. anyone else?

[simms]

That's hardly an argument.

I'm not here to argue. UT is UT, take your pick, but the atmosphere at UTM isn't great. There's all of like three buildings... north, south, kaneff. Oh, and one rez I saw. And a new student centre.

Not to mention the guys look like gangstars or the girls look like they could go to high school...

That's all IMO, so take it with a grain of salt. All I'm saying is that student life and atmosphere at UTM could be a lot better.

edit: And congrats! What did you just finish in? Are you going to be working starting the fall?

[gilboman]

UTM is easier than UT downtown in the sense that for the same quality/amount of work, you will get a higher mark at UTM. Yes the courses taught and their difficulty is comparable to downtown but prof's who have taught at downtown and UTM mention that since the results(marks) from UTM students are much lower than downtown, they mark more leinantly or bump up the marks. (e.g. a now retired prof complained the same course he taught at UTM and downtown. there was not a single A paper at UTM while the downtown papers were much much higher quality)

but if you goto UT...go downtown, all the resources is there, as well as a lot of more interesting courses.

[nerdonsite]

but if you goto UT...go downtown, all the resources is there, as well as a lot of more interesting courses.

This is what i was told by my chem teacher who went to UTM for the first 2 years, than downtown for her last 2 years. however, she said that the TA's and profs were more fair with marking at UTSG than at UTM and she got better marks at downtown.

every perosn i talk to tells me to avoid UTM b/c 1) its too hard, 2) you don't get to experience real university life, 3) their first year bio courses suck, 4) its no fun at all. so i guess UTM is outta the question.

that means its either mac or UofT downtown. which of these 2 should i got to?

[jui_jui]

every perosn i talk to tells me to avoid UTM b/c 1) its too hard, 2) you don't get to experience real university life, 3) their first year bio courses suck, 4) its no fun at all. so i guess UTM is outta the question.


wow ~ :eek:

[b166er1337]

every perosn i talk to tells me to avoid UTM b/c 1) its too hard, 2) you don't get to experience real university life, 3) their first year bio courses suck, 4) its no fun at all. so i guess UTM is outta the question.



and.. 5) a lot more hot women in St George.

[purple_rabbit]

I'm not here to argue. UT is UT, take your pick, but the atmosphere at UTM isn't great. There's all of like three buildings... north, south, kaneff. Oh, and one rez I saw. And a new student centre.

Not to mention the guys look like gangstars or the girls look like they could go to high school...

That's all IMO, so take it with a grain of salt. All I'm saying is that student life and atmosphere at UTM could be a lot better.

edit: And congrats! What did you just finish in? Are you going to be working starting the fall?

Actually there are 5-6 residences, its just that they are not next to the buildings, the campus is pretty big in terms of acreage so the residences tend to be spread out.

Well UTM now has a new CCIT (communication, culture and information technology) building, and 2 new residences plus there is a gonna be the new UTM library (which will be the second largest in UT) plus the new athletic centre.

Yeah I don't like the gangster style of some of the people there, that's so stupid. But its not a generality lol

Im graduating in commerce, have to start looking for a job, you have anything to offer? ;)

[purple_rabbit]

and.. 5) a lot more hot women in St George.

Geez!! Hell no!!! All I see is ugly ass fob asians everywhere!!! (I'm Asian btw) I dont know whether its commuting which makes them so ugly lol....

[b166er1337]

Geez!! Hell no!!! All I see is ugly ass fob asians everywhere!!! (I'm Asian btw) I dont know whether its commuting which makes them so ugly lol....

LOL...then how do u compare them to the girls @ utm?

[purple_rabbit]

LOL...then how do u compare them to the girls @ utm?

Well let's put it this way, there is more variety/diversity over there, i guess its kinda like if you eat the same pizza topping everyday you'll get bored of it (what a bad analogy :twisted: )....actually, in commerce the girls are friggin ugly at UTM too, but the chicks in the arts, humanities and CCIT programs are pretty cute

[philter]

actually, in commerce the girls are friggin ugly

hahhahah my friend also told me this... i love the bluntness...

[nerdonsite]

so.....back on topic....

where the hell should i go :cheesygri