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ajimondo
May 31st, 2005, 11:57 AM
I jumped on the Bell $200 gift card deal with future shop a few weeks back oh what a mistake.


I'm paying $45 a month for High Speed Edition but get this I'm to far from the central office to receive my full 3mbps. No big deal I’m ok with 1.5-2mbps since I’m getting such a good deal. But once I tested my modem speed out it ends up I’m getting 800kbps.

I call technical support up and they do all kind of test on my line and tell me it’s all good and there’s nothing wrong with my line. He tells me that I can’t receive more than my 800kbps as I’m to far from the central office. He tells me that the min you should receive is 1.7mbps or else I am not eligible to receive HSE and the contract would be void.

A few hours later my connection starts to act up and I get disconnected every minute or so. I get a call from an outsourced worker testing my lines, she tells me my lines seem to be fine but they will send out a new modem as that could possibly be the problem.

Two weeks later the modem still didn’t arrive, she said it would come within 4days. So I get pissed and call Bell to see what’s up. Apparently they have no record of another modem to be sent out and to top it off the capped my line at 1.1mbps. 1.1mbps what the ****! I’m paying for 3mbps and they cap me off at 1.1mpbs. While trying to get an explanation on why I was capped off the CSR keeps telling blah blah blah you’re too far from central office so your service is slow. I start to wonder if my service is slow because of distance or they just capped it off. I keep asking why I was capped and he gives me the same reply that I live too far blah blah blah same BS he probs tells everyone. I get fed up and hang up on the guy.

Call back within a few minutes and talk to another CSR which doesn’t know much either. I ask her why my connection has been capped off and she keeps asking me if I us windows and if I plugged my modem to the wall. ***Hello stop reading the crap on your computer screen and answer my question*** I guess I asked her to many questions she couldn’t answer as she transfer me to her supervisor.

He wasn’t any much help either... I ask him what’s the minimum speed I should be receiving with Bell HSE. He tells me there’s no limit and it’s up to 3mbps and keeps it’s up to 3mbps. STFU already I know it’s up to but that’s the minimum he tells me it’s 500kpbs to 1mbps. So I asked him to find it on Bell.ca and show me. He couldn’t find anything that said minimum and find some stupid link and tell me up to 3mbps and it didn’t even say up to on the page.

I think the modem might be the problem as it’s a newer model of which none of the CSR knew much about. Every time would ask any question I was put on hold; I assume they were scrolling up and down on their computer to find what to say to me next. They never answer any of my questions but tell me the same thing over and over.

I’m pretty pissed now especially since 6month contract with Bell. I call back to talk to sales to find out what the real minimum rate I should be receiving and if I receive less would the contract be void. So asked the sales person “What is the minimum download speed I should be receiving for HSE� she tells me I need 300mb to install. WTF is she talking about; I continue to ask the same question over and over each time getting a different reply that has nothing to do with what I’m asking. She would mutter back “Bell Lite is 256kps; You will receive 3mpbs; You need windows to get high speed; 300mbs to install; blah blah blah.� I finally get an answer to the question; if you receive under 1.5mbps you are not eligible for HSE.

My question now is since I have a 6month contract with Bell and no one there seems to know what the hell they are saying what options do I have to get rid of Bell and not get charges for getting out of the contract early and maybe not loose the $200 future shop gift card.
:mad:

MizTEcK
May 31st, 2005, 12:01 PM
just switch to rogers

synaptech
May 31st, 2005, 12:07 PM
I would call back and ask to speak to a manager. The phone monkeys at Sympatico (it's not Bell exactly) can be frustrating. The only real solution is to tell them you're not happy with the service (all the reasons should be written down before calling) and you want Bell to end the contract without penalty since it is obviously not what they claim it is. Unforunately, they'll probably give you all kinds of BS. Make sure you get the name of the person you're talking with as well because in my experience they'll say anything to get you off the phone, like there will be no penalty, and 2 months from now your CC gets charged...

ajimondo
May 31st, 2005, 12:29 PM
Yeah that's my biggest fear, I seen bell charge odd stuff I never ordered on phone bill before and it took forever to get it off. I took down the sales person name and id (but it could be fake who knows). Anyone having the same problem?

I still have Rogers BTW didn't cancel it since Bell speed suck monkeyballs. I want to cancel but I'm scared of the 6month contract and all their stupid charges.

AudiDude
May 31st, 2005, 12:30 PM
The problems you are having are so common, I really am surprised that Bell can sell their junk service. You can either try to make this work or get rid of them. Trying to make it work is probably going to take a while though.

What speeds do you need to get before you are happy? If it is a full 3 meg, good luck because it ain't gonna happen. Sounds like they may have changed your service profile to something lower than what you are paying for. It will take three different people about 45 minutes to figure this out (they will all be reading "the script").

If you need help PM me your phone number and I will tell you how far you are from the CO. If you decide to ditch them, point out (like synaptech said) all the reasons of why they are failing to meet the criteria of the contract, and you want out. If they insist you pay them, tell them you insist on calling the CRTC and lodging a complaint.Talk to managers only at this point.

Then give Rogers a ring.

If their stuff doesn't work they will send someone out (contractor) to fix it. If he can't get it to work he will call a Rogers maintenance technican to come out and look at it.

Don't expect Bell to send anybody soon as they still have a manpower shortage due to the strike.

TenzoR
May 31st, 2005, 12:40 PM
xDSL service is dependent on the distance.

example

person A is 10km from the server/center
person B is 30km from the server/center

person A will always get a better (faster/more stable) connection than person B

it's how DSL works and not Bell's problem. That's why you don't see Bell offering their HS service to rural area

you can change your modem all you want but if you are that far away, no modem will increase your speed dramatically

if you want, you can head to www.bell.ca and check your phone line to see whats available to you. For my phone line I can't get DSL at all.

akito925
May 31st, 2005, 12:48 PM
dsl just sucks...

its only good if your really close to the switching station.

just go back to dial up.

why you need highspeed? are you just surfing the internet and checking e-mails??

check out

295.ca

$2.95 a month. lol.

AudiDude
May 31st, 2005, 12:51 PM
xDSL service is dependent on the distance.

example

person A is 10km from the server/center
person B is 30km from the server/center

person A will always get a better (faster/more stable) connection than person B

it's how DSL works and not Bell's problem.

The problem is they will still sell you the service even if you are to far away and charge you for what your service profile is listed as. If you don't complain, you will never know why your service sucks. When you do call in, they waste your time (and money) to get to the root of the problem (if they ever do). This is entirely Bell's fault, they should speed test every install to make sure it meets requirements. When I was doing cable modem installs (not for Rogers/Cogeco or ACI, but a private company), we tested every install and fixed anything that was wrong before we left the original install.

sleepyguy
May 31st, 2005, 12:56 PM
I've had the same issues at our work DSL... bell support is pathetic. transfer this dept, that dept, this dept... etc etc. bills gone missing, no client ied... goes on and on. I ended up getting the supervisor of every department I spoke to and refused to talk to anymore CSR. Issue was fixed but we ended up switching providers a month later. Get names and numbers... just my 2cents.

YLSF
May 31st, 2005, 12:59 PM
I was told once that if I signed up under a contract rate that if you cancelled for any reason (i.e. even if service was CRAP) you would still be tied into the contract. I have gotten DSL 2 times at my home line via free Dell offers. Both times I was told that I wouldn't have a problem and that i would get good connections speeds. The first time I couldn't connect at all (eventually a senior tech said that I was too far from the central office. ) The second time I could connect but the speed seemed worse than dialup!

ajimondo
May 31st, 2005, 01:44 PM
I called so many times I wonder I they have it all on record. I assume that when you call your Caller ID nunber shows up and so does your account information. I refuse to give them my ID info incase they want to write some comments in there and notify the next person what I'm complaining about so they can pull up useless comments from before and uses them against me again like that did before.

I know how DSL works, I'm pissed at the fact they would sell it to me not knowing if it works for my location. The sales people keep telling me they would switch me to Lite Edition. I don't want Lite, I want HSE or nothing. The only reason why I want a new modem is to test if the one I have is faulty.

You never know maybe it will be better than my last one. When I upgraded my Rogers modem from the old brick to the new Motorola my download speed increased 100k/sec (Max 380kb/sec on standard Hi-Speed). I'm not even getting closes to 100k/sec with Bell.

TenzoR
May 31st, 2005, 02:16 PM
The problem is they will still sell you the service even if you are to far away and charge you for what your service profile is listed as. If you don't complain, you will never know why your service sucks. When you do call in, they waste your time (and money) to get to the root of the problem (if they ever do). This is entirely Bell's fault, they should speed test every install to make sure it meets requirements. When I was doing cable modem installs (not for Rogers/Cogeco or ACI, but a private company), we tested every install and fixed anything that was wrong before we left the original install.

when i called bell they told me immediately i can't use the HSE ...

plus the poster signed up in FS/BB ...which are sold by FS/BB employee and not Bell (last time I checked), so they don't give a rats ass if you live like in middle of no where as long they can make the sale

sptembergurl
May 31st, 2005, 02:41 PM
I had very similar problems when I called them about connecting to my MAC OS9. They read everything off a screen and told me to take the computer into the shop!!! I have worked in computers for 3 years and am quite technical and was purely insulted. Although they say they support MAC OS 9, they had no test MAC to work with and admitted that. How can you troubleshoot without a test computer???
Turns out I figured out on my OWN that 9.1 was not supported but 9.2 is! None of their documentation at the time stated this. And they wanted ME to take it into the shop so that the shop could tell me this!??!?

Believe me, I hate them too, but my apartment cannot support Rogers at this time because of fibreoptic cable issues. As soon as I move, I am switching back!! I hate Bell!!

AudiDude
May 31st, 2005, 02:48 PM
when i called bell they told me immediately i can't use the HSE ...

plus the poster signed up in FS/BB ...which are sold by FS/BB employee and not Bell (last time I checked), so they don't give a rats ass if you live like in middle of no where as long they can make the sale

You were lucky. My neighbours ( 3 spread throughout my neighbourhood) had Bell sell them DSL and we are too far from the CO.

After one complained for 4 months straight, they told him it appears hes is too far away and he can keep the service so long as he didn't call in for technical support again, or disconnect.

The second was visited by 7 techs, 6 of which said there was something wrong with the service and they would refer the ticket to somone who could fix the problem, and one of them that said it worked fine and closed the ticket.

The third just had enough and went to cable.

There was no involvement with Futureshop or BB. I see things like this all the time as when friends (or friends of friends) call me because they heard I am good at getting to the root of the problems. After working for Bell, I can tell you it is their fault as they could have determined the distance after the first service call.

Bell also tells people that they can't have their service, when it is possible. Their records are crappy, and when the strike is over, the lack of records being kept properly by contractors will make the problem worse.