Atheist thread

[yatko]

I felt left out so,


bump as you vote please :arrowu:

[porphyra]

What's with all these threads lately??

BTW> I am an Atheist.

[NDman]

No. I'm agnostic

[yatko]

thank goodness I am not alone!!

[asim99]

of course, you are not alone
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=155797&highlight=atheist

thank goodness I am not alone!!

[UrbanPoet]

so if your athiest.. im assuming you think that the world and everything just came outta no where?

[WiZZLa]

thank goodness I am not alone!!

no, that's "thank god I am not alone!!"
lol, something similar was in a movie.

[yatko]

so if your athiest.. im assuming you think that the world and everything just came outta no where?

No. I believe no Gods. Only goddesses. Good looking ones of course but if they are naked or I am very drunk not so beatiful ones as well ;)

[Asun]

so if your athiest.. im assuming you think that the world and everything just came outta no where?

Agnostic here. But why is it difficult to imagine that the universe has always existed?

[guest10586]

so if your athiest.. im assuming you think that the world and everything just came outta no where?

No neccessarily.

It is like me assuming that people who are religous believe God created everything. Obviously an oxymoron since he can't create himself.

[jjboy]

so if your athiest.. im assuming you think that the world and everything just came outta no where?

if God created the universe, who created God?

[Super strokey]

There are enough logical proofs of god/gods out there that i cant under stand how people dont beleive. I can understand being agnostic in our current society where proof is almost required for everything (as it should be), being an atheist makes no sense to me. Consciencesness is more than just random electrical impulses traveling through the building blocks that make up our bodies. Im not sying i beleive in much of the scripture (from any religion) as fact infact. I think its mostly garbage that is used for power by unscurupulous poeple. But i do beleive that evolution was started by the hand of god, and same with the universe. I do beleive though that science and god go hand in hand, in fact that science is mans only way of seeing in to gods devine plan. Either way enough of the sermon. All views on this are welcome, and none are wrong, aslong as you can sleep at night with the decisions and thoughts that you have had then you should be happy.

[sonick]

Agnostic here. But why is it difficult to imagine that the universe has always existed?
agnostic here too...

[Hurk]

I don't classify myself as anything. I believe in something and don't believe in others. I might change my mind tomorrow, or I might not. Something that may happen, will happen regardless of a higher being.

[biosh]

There are enough logical proofs of god/gods out there that i cant under stand how people dont beleive.
Okay, I'll bite - let's hear one of these logical proofs of god...

[guest10586]

Okay, I'll bite - let's hear one of these logical proofs of god...

I'll bite too...I'd like to hear a "logical" proof. :)

[labenge]

Well, as Chretien said: "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."

[ainsane]

There are enough logical proofs of god/gods out there that i cant under stand how people dont beleive.

I'de also like to know of a logical proof of god. And I'm not talking about a grilled cheese sandwhich with a picture of the Virgin Mary on it.

[danfromwaterloo]

There are enough logical proofs of god/gods out there that i cant under stand how people dont beleive.

There has yet to be a solid logical argument to prove the existence of God. Many might entice you to believe, but none is definitively logical - that is to say completely without flaw.

I should know, I was a Philosophy major.

[porphyra]

Bump to hear this divine proof as well. Finally someone to show me the light after all these years of me being an atheist.

MY saviour....

[danfromwaterloo]

Ok, let me whet your appetites for what these "proofs" likely contain:

(Cause and effect argument)
1. Every effect has a cause.
2. Everything on Earth is an effect of some previous cause.
3. If that is so, then something must have created the universe.
4. This is God.

[JAC]

There are tons of them. Most of them pre-suppose the existence of god as part of their proof, however, and are therefore flawed.

http://www.existence-of-god.com/

[googoo]

"I'de also like to know of a logical proof of god. And I'm not talking about a grilled cheese sandwhich with a picture of the Virgin Mary on it."

That should be proof enough for everybody that if there IS a god then he/she is making fun of us.

Brent

[ichpen]

Ok, let me whet your appetites for what these "proofs" likely contain:

(Cause and effect argument)
1. Every effect has a cause.
2. Everything on Earth is an effect of some previous cause.
3. If that is so, then something must have created the universe.
4. This is God.

This I might enjoy :lol:

That's not a LOGICAL explanation. It's a stab at causality based upon very loose assumptions. Bible study 101 class.



I'll come back shortly and rejoin the debate.

[biosh]

There are enough logical proofs of god/gods out there that i cant under stand how people dont beleive.
Whatever happened to our proof?

:?:

[chatbox]

There are enough logical proofs of god/gods out there that i cant under stand how people dont beleive. I can understand being agnostic in our current society where proof is almost required for everything (as it should be), being an atheist makes no sense to me. Consciencesness is more than just random electrical impulses traveling through the building blocks that make up our bodies. Im not sying i beleive in much of the scripture (from any religion) as fact infact. I think its mostly garbage that is used for power by unscurupulous poeple. But i do beleive that evolution was started by the hand of god, and same with the universe. I do beleive though that science and god go hand in hand, in fact that science is mans only way of seeing in to gods devine plan. Either way enough of the sermon. All views on this are welcome, and none are wrong, aslong as you can sleep at night with the decisions and thoughts that you have had then you should be happy.

Proofs, they're not. But only biased decisions/judgements one after another such that the outcome would say "God exists!"

[chatbox]

Ok, let me whet your appetites for what these "proofs" likely contain:

(Cause and effect argument)
1. Every effect has a cause.
2. Everything on Earth is an effect of some previous cause.
3. If that is so, then something must have created the universe.
4. This is God.

hehe...
5. If that is so, then something must have created God.
6. This is SuperGod! :lol:

[chatbox]

If one can say that one entity is a creator of all things, existed since the beginning of time. Then, what stops us from saying that the creator is the Universe itself?

[sk8]

Anything is possible in this place. We believe and have faith in alot of things. We have faith that the Sun will rise tomorrow so we won't die. This faith is based on a priori (sp). It is quite possible that God exists since it would be better if God was uncaused rather than the universe itself(Richard Swnburne).

[skeletor]

when I think of god I don't think of a person who is human manipulating things in the universe.. my idea of god is a simple system or even equation that caused the trigger to this chain reaction of life. Basically the thing or phenomena responsible for all this.. God could be as small and insignifcant as a quark which started this whole mess... Or perhaps an alien being in another dimension created this universe for fun.. I could also become a god to another universe if I accidently created a big bang... I dislike this whole religous view of god as a human with human logic and feelings.

[Mint]

There is no concrete proof/definite answer for either side. Or the "does god exist" question would have been answered ages ago.

[HughG]

this thread can go on forever
lol

[relativity]

There's proof that if God existed, that he/she has a sense of humor. Who else would put a recreational facility in the middle of a waste treatment plant?

Seriously, it's very difficult to argue either side because I'm sure it's been done to death by every single age group. I think I believe in God, but I'm not quite sure how my belief is based, I just like the comfort that there is something watching over us and I'm a strong believer in Karma.

A lot of people claimed before that it could be proven that God by definition could not exist using the omnipotence paradox, but there have been ways to counter that like using the Schrodinger's Cat experiment for mixed quantum states to explain omnipotence.

Edit: The above paragraph doesn't try to prove that God exists, it merely explains the Ominpotence paradox, which counters the older arguments claiming God couldn't exist.

[biosh]

I could also become a god to another universe if I accidently created a big bang...
Message received on Rogers tran-universal specialty channel: "...we the inhabitants of the skeletor universe praise you for your big bang, oh mighty skeletor..."

(skeletor's girlfriend: "I'd say it was more of a medium...")

[Asun]

Anything is possible in this place. We believe and have faith in alot of things. We have faith that the Sun will rise tomorrow so we won't die. This faith is based on a priori (sp). It is quite possible that God exists since it would be better if God was uncaused rather than the universe itself(Richard Swnburne).

Why is it better to have uncaused God rather than uncaused universe? Adding God does not help us explain things that happen around us. It adds another layer of complexity without adding much value.

[blackhawk]

proof of god is not a formula

proof is faith based so some believe and others dont, their choice

thats also why there's so many different religions out there with certainty that their beliefs, rituals and adherents are on the right path

I'd also think that there's a lot of different types of agnostics out there, just like there's lot of different religious people, most of whom aren't the scary types the left would like you to believe.


My proof came when my children were born. :)

[biosh]

proof is faith based so some believe and others dont, their choice

Faith, despite it's value to some, is not a proof.

Proof is evidence or argument sufficing to establish a fact.

Fact is a thing certainly known to have occured or be true.

I would say that faith is at the opposite of the spectrum from proof...

[Warlock]

As per first post,
Bump.

[sk8]

Why is it better to have uncaused God rather than uncaused universe? Adding God does not help us explain things that happen around us. It adds another layer of complexity without adding much value.

The universe either existed infinitly or it didn't. Now look at the first posibility; does something happen forever or doesn't have a beginning? Impossible.

I don't think that the universe existed inifinitly. There must be something behind its existance. Then you look at the cosmological argument posted by danformwaterloo.

[biosh]

The universe either existed infinitly or it didn't. Now look at the first posibility; does something happen forever or doesn't have a beginning? Impossible.

I don't think that the universe existed inifinitly. There must be something behind its existance. Then you look at the cosmological argument posted by danformwaterloo.
While I'm sure god is a useful concept for those with a limited imagination, you've got to have a enormous ego to think that man's puny little brain can ever declare anything as being "impossible"...

[blackhawk]

biosh Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhawk
proof is faith based so some believe and others dont, their choice



Faith, despite it's value to some, is not a proof.

Proof is evidence or argument sufficing to establish a fact.

Fact is a thing certainly known to have occured or be true.

I would say that faith is at the opposite of the spectrum from proof


faith and proof are two different things and this post is about atheism, not agnosticism, it isn't about proof for those who believe, its about personal choice and for others that dont have enough personal proof, your choice

if you think facts are universally accepted by all, you dont see the examples around you in history or national beliefs, everybody sees things differently, look at eyewitness accounts and how unreliable they are to police, everybody interprets information differently


prove god exists or prove he doesn't, its not a formulaic answer, its a belief, like....

I believe I can make it through that intersection before the light turns from orange to red, or I believe I'll do pretty good on this exam

or another good faith versus proof example....do you love someone?.......prove it! cant? no formula?

but do you have faith that you love them and they love you?

this post is about an opinion poll on belief and why,
proof is for the agnostic opinion poll(oxymoron?) if someone wants to start that one

but thats just my opinion based on my "limited imagination" and "enormous ego" ;)

[biosh]

faith and proof are two different things and this post is about atheism, not agnosticism, it isn't about proof for those who believe, its about personal choice and for others that dont have enough personal proof, your choice

if you think facts are universally accepted by all, you dont see the examples around you in history or national beliefs, everybody sees things differently, look at eyewitness accounts and how unreliable they are to police, everybody interprets information differently


prove god exists or prove he doesn't, its not a formulaic answer, its a belief, like....

I believe I can make it through that intersection before the light turns from orange to red, or I believe I'll do pretty good on this exam

or another good faith versus proof example....do you love someone?.......prove it! cant? no formula?

but do you have faith that you love them and they love you?

this post is about an opinion poll on belief and why,
proof is for the agnostic opinion poll(oxymoron?) if someone wants to start that one

but thats just my opinion based on my "limited imagination" and "enormous ego" ;)
Thank-you for restating my previous two posts. Any and all support for my point of view is most welcome...

:)

[Asun]

The universe either existed infinitly or it didn't. Now look at the first posibility; does something happen forever or doesn't have a beginning? Impossible.

I don't think that the universe existed inifinitly. There must be something behind its existance. Then you look at the cosmological argument posted by danformwaterloo.

God either existed infinitely or it didn't. Now look at the first possibility; does something happen forever or doesn't have a beginning? Impossible.

I don't think that God existed infinitely. There must be something behind its existence. See having God doesn't really explain anything. :D