Is this right?

[Hurk]

Do you think it's right to go into a store, looking for $75 - $100 of bad products, going to the cashier and saying "I get these free, they are bad, it's in your policy Fresh or Free". Then walk out, without paying a dime.

In reference to another thread (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=165674)

DO NOT POST ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER THREAD HERE, JUST OPINIONS ON THIS SITUATION WHERE IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG

[jayisthebest88]

Ih ave no idea who0 would do this but whoever does is a big ******!

edited so people wont be offended!

[Ducay]

Wrong - Abusing the system will only ruin it for everyone (people who use the policy properly)

[synaptech]

I wouldn't spend the time, but it is the store's own policy - they should amend the policy of they're losing too much from it. I am usually pretty pissed when I get home and realize an item I just bought is already expired.

[aquariaguy]

If they have that policy, they should expect people will take advantage of it. Some people PM items at Staples, but, they don't just PM ONE item, they try to take it all off the shelf.

Also more power to the person who enlightened us about all those bad products.

[Hurk]

Policy vs socially acceptable (Moral)

[UrbanPoet]

I think thats just taking it too far.....
Its meant for people that happen to buy a spoil loaf of bread and then get a replcament for free. Not for ppl to hunt around for expired items then turn it in asking for free itmes.

[Keelie]

any store with such a policy knows there will be people who abuse it, before they even put it in place.

myself i wouldnt do it, but could really care less if someone else wanted to. besides, they are doing the store a favour by finding all those expired goods. that, by the way, probably shouldnt even be there.

i think if i took the time to look for them, and found nearly $100 worth in an hour, i'd think about shopping elsewhere.

[asim99]

i am tired of people considering it abuse
its not like that guy was stealing from the till
he was simply making the store practice what it preaches
i don't think i'll ever do that, but i have no problem with someone else keeping tabs on the store...more power to that person

[JimG]

Do you think it's right to go into a store, looking for $75 - $100 of bad products, going to the cashier and saying "I get these free, they are bad, it's in your policy Fresh or Free". Then walk out, without paying a dime.

In reference to another thread (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=165674)

DO NOT POST ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER THREAD HERE, JUST OPINIONS ON THIS SITUATION WHERE IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG

Don't even bother trying to ask these types of questions in this forum, because people a lot of the people here will do anything to save a cent. It's not about the stores policy, because the store allows it, but consumers should use common sense and be reasonable when the store offers up a policy like this. Do you actually think the store intends for people to come in and look for expired products? That's just being cheap beyond tastefulness. The most us reasonable people can do is snicker and stare at the cheap asses from behind them in line. Shame on you.

Jim

[CSR]

He has the right, but it is just wrong.

[runamuck]

http://members.chello.nl/r.geus2/funnypic/mei2005/Cuisine.jpg

[second2none]

DEFINATELY WRONG!

I can't stand people like that. But then I tell myself... perhaps the poor sod lives in a banana crate (with his computer and internet) and can't afford to pay for food?

IMHO. :lol:

[Cruel_Angel]

people like that make me sick. The full out believe that they deserve everything in life, for little to no cost to them. They are the type to wear clothing, and return it, buy tools and return them, they are the same people who bought CD's from HMV burned them, and returned them, same with EBgames...

It's people like that who totally ruin it for everybody else. I still buy alot of video games, and I buy them from EB cause I always have. And I did because I remember I bought a game, and totally hated it, and they allowed me to exchange it for another. Now that policy is gone, and all because of a bunch of jerk off who think that they are so smart that they can buy a game and burn it. Sure you CAN do it, buy why are you doing it? Thats full out robbery. Same goes with returning clothing that you wore.. And this grocery mishap, what a fing jerk this guy is. Instead of actually shopping, he goes hunting for free food. Your not a customer, your a leacher, you leach on to policy, and act as if your in the right. People like that are not customers, they waste the time of employees who should be helping real customers. The person who did this, should be full out ashamed of himself, there are people out there who need to eat, who don't have anything, and this piece of crap thinks hes so damm smart. Karma is a *****, what goes around comes around. the person who did this pissed off alot of people, and all for a few muffins.. I hope he chokes on them.

[Nicotine]

Who wants to buy spoiled or past expiry food?

I think you are doing the store a service. They should probably pay you for the work that their employees are SUPPOSED to be doing.



If the store wants to sell past expiry foods, then they should put that stuff in a special section with a sign clearly saying "Discounted Prices for Past Expiry Foods".

[seefuthead]

if its expired why cant ppl have it free? theyre gonna throw it out anyways. the cake thing is semi wrong but the people put wrong dates so it wont happen often.

how about asking if it is wrong for restaurants to poison the food they throw away so the poor people who pick it out to eat get sick? they should consider doing this instead of store paying sumone to look at cans and removing expired ones.

[second2none]

Who wants to buy spoiled or past expiry food?

I think you are doing the store a service. They should probably pay you for the work that their employees are SUPPOSED to be doing.

If the store wants to sell past expiry foods, then they should put that stuff in a special section with a sign clearly saying "Discounted Prices for Past Expiry Foods".

There seem to be no limits to what some people will do to get something for free. That's what's disturbing to me.

[second2none]

if its expired why cant ppl have it free?

Poor people YES. Cheap people NO! :|

[d_jedi]

myself i wouldnt do it, but could really care less if someone else wanted to. besides, they are doing the store a favor by finding all those expired goods. that, by the way, probably shouldnt even be there.
What about the cakes he got for free because they were only "expired" because of a labelling error?

[Ducay]

if its expired why cant ppl have it free? theyre gonna throw it out anyways. the cake thing is semi wrong but the people put wrong dates so it wont happen often.

how about asking if it is wrong for restaurants to poison the food they throw away so the poor people who pick it out to eat get sick? they should consider doing this instead of store paying sumone to look at cans and removing expired ones.

Nononno, if he finds an expired product, then he gets a non expired product for free. Thats why everyone is against this guy

[aquariaguy]

people like that make me sick. The full out believe that they deserve everything in life, for little to no cost to them. They are the type to wear clothing, and return it, buy tools and return them, they are the same people who bought CD's from HMV burned them, and returned them, same with EBgames...

It's people like that who totally ruin it for everybody else. I still buy alot of video games, and I buy them from EB cause I always have. And I did because I remember I bought a game, and totally hated it, and they allowed me to exchange it for another. Now that policy is gone, and all because of a bunch of jerk off who think that they are so smart that they can buy a game and burn it. Sure you CAN do it, buy why are you doing it? Thats full out robbery. Same goes with returning clothing that you wore.. And this grocery mishap, what a fing jerk this guy is. Instead of actually shopping, he goes hunting for free food. Your not a customer, your a leacher, you leach on to policy, and act as if your in the right. People like that are not customers, they waste the time of employees who should be helping real customers. The person who did this, should be full out ashamed of himself, there are people out there who need to eat, who don't have anything, and this piece of crap thinks hes so damm smart. Karma is a *****, what goes around comes around. the person who did this pissed off alot of people, and all for a few muffins.. I hope he chokes on them.

Do you know what you're talking about? Did the guy return clothes and return it? That is abusing policy, because the policy is there if you BUY something NEW, return it NEW. If you buy a game, don't STEAL the CD KEY.
Did this guy buy a banana, but didn't eat it, and than returned it after it was browning? Did he buy orange juice, drink half of it, than return it because it was sour?

This guy didn't steal anything. Everything was legit. If he bought milk and than swapped it with old milk at home, than that is corrupt and immoral. Learn how to make good comparisons. Stealing a CD KEY or burning a CD is stealing and fraud and returning it, THIS IS NOT THE SAME.

[second2none]

Do you know what you're talking about? Did the guy return clothes and return it? That is abusing policy, because the policy is there if you BUY something NEW, return it NEW. If you buy a game, don't STEAL the CD KEY.
Did this guy buy a banana, but didn't eat it, and than returned it after it was browning? Did he buy orange juice, drink half of it, than return it because it was sour?

This guy didn't steal anything. Everything was legit. If he bought milk and than swapped it with old milk at home, than that is corrupt and immoral. Learn how to make good comparisons. Stealing a CD KEY or burning a CD is stealing and fraud and returning it, THIS IS NOT THE SAME.

He was "consicously looking" for expired product to get something free. That's where the problem is.

[second2none]

Poor people wouldn't want expired items - horrible stuff and dangerous to your health. :(

Depends.. I managed a supermarket... we used to donate day old cookies and breads to the local food banks. Expired items like dairy, meats etc... were discarded of course!

I could have been more specific! :o

[Nicotine]

With the technology that large Grocery stores have today and that is available to them, THERE IS NO REASON WHATSOEVER that there should be expired foods on the shelves.


I assume that a store that sees fit to guarantee no past expiry foods would be smart enough to back up their claim with technology that would allow them to do so.

Every night after closing, expired foods should be removed or placed in a discounted section of the store clearly stating that the food is past expiry.

[Nicotine]

Here's an interesting post from the other thread:


Congrats to the OP on this. I have a friend who always shopped at A&P because of the fresh produce. About a month ago she bought a sealed pack of 6 tomatoes. When she got home, she opened it and the bottoms were all rotted with white fuzz etc. She went back and A&P wouldn't honour the policy because "it was taken home out of the store and she could have replaced them with bad ones." I'd guess that demographically, housewifes aged 50+ are not the people that would try to scam A&P out of 6 tomatoes, but A&P thought so and wouldn't budge on it. So now, she no longer shops there and they've lost $4-500 a month from her AND because of this story, whenever I pass by an A&P, I'll go grab a free product or two and be sure to inform customer service of this story and how many free products I've picked up since it occurred.

A&P will always suffer a net loss from me.

[second2none]

With the technology that large Grocery stores have today and that is available to them, THERE IS NO REASON WHATSOEVER that there should be expired foods on the shelves.


I assume that a store that sees fit to guarantee no past expiry foods would be smart enough to back up their claim with technology that would allow them to do so.

Every night after closing, expired foods should be removed or placed in a discounted section of the store clearly stating that the food is past expiry.

There may be lots of reasons why things are expired. There's no technonogy yet that can scan a whole store and see what's expired. (Although that could be an excellent money maker)...

Main reasons for expired products:

1. Customer reaches in back and takes newer batch
2. Customer pushes older product to the back of the shelf
3. Rotation not done when stocking shelves.
4. Over ordered product
5. Employee does not check the department daily for expired products

etc...

[Nicotine]

Anyway,

There is a very simple thing that A & P can do to avoid such things.


All they have to do is have fine print limiting the number of "Fresh or Free" items to 5 per visit or something like that.


Simple really. So what's the problem?


If they don't do that, then it's their problem. I'm sure they thought about it. It's not like they are naive and are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts to help little old ladies with bad eyesight.


They thought about it and decided not to limit the quantity per visit for some reason.

[Nhiem]

I voted wrong but I change my mind. Anyone who wastes 3 hours looking for expired food just so they can get it free probably really needs that food.

[runamuck]

the manager should be fired for not doing his job,...$75 worth of groceries!!!
i bet he felt like a dumbass trying to explain this to his district manager....goes against the whole point of having the promo from the head office.


its like giving someone a hard time for buying 100's of some product on sale when it says "NO LIMIT"

[runamuck]

http://www.freshobsessed.com/policies/index.aspx?param=policies



http://www.freshobsessed.com/images/policies/fresh/Title/title1.gif
If you find any spoiled item in our store, just bring it to the Customer Service Desk and we'll give you one fresh replacement free of charge. There are some exceptions:
Minor bruises and discolouration occur naturally and don't affect freshness.
Damaged or reduced items excluded – this includes Extra Ripe Produce.
With multiple items like a bad banana in a bunch, we'll replace the individual item.
Products with “Best Before� dates are considered fresh until midnight the day before.
Since organic grown produce can appear blemished or less fresh due to the lack of pesticides and fertilizers used, it isn't included in this guarantee.
This guarantee applies to same day shopping only.
Of course, as usual, if you're not satisfied with anything you buy, we'll make it right.
Store Managers have the right to make final decisions.

[webdoctors]

whats wrong wid doing that? itsi n the policy?

several times I have been buying food to find to my disgust that its expired and rotten.

These ppl are doing us a service by notifying management and fixing their negligence, I dont see why U guys are against them, why do U want expired crap on the shelves??

no sense what so ever.... and analogies to pirating software, raping goats and/or stealing babies need not apply here.

[cheleen]

There is absolutely ZERO excuse for a store having expired items on the shelf. If the staff can't be bothered to rotate stock, or if they do not staff enough employees to be able to do the job properly, then by all means, go for the "fresh or free" products. I, myself, would never take the time to "look" for things, especially in that quantity, but if I ran across any in buying things I normally would buy, then yes, I would take advantage of their offer. They advertise it, they should staff enough employees to run the store properly and check these things while stocking.......

[eBuddy]

Talk to A&P head office itself and they will agree that the customer is right. A&P was only looking after its own interest when it implemented this marketing gimmick. They have had this policy for awhile because it continues to generate a positive return on investment. They know they will get millions of dollars of additional revenue because of all the "Fresh or Free" promotions while giving up relatively little in free products from the tiny fraction of smart consumers who check up on their "fresh-obsessed" policy.

The worst case scenario for consumers would be if they keep paying for expensive & expired items at A&P because nobody ever bothers to get rid of an expired item in return for a free fresh one.

[kornstar369]

i totally agree. i think it is ok to do that. if its in their policy, they better provide it right. that store charges alot more than the competetors, why? b/c of keeping up with their service standards. you are paying alot more for their food than anyone elses, it better darn be fresh.

[Hurk]

This is just disgusting. I can't believe people think this is acceptable behaviour. I guess it's the immaturity and the "screw the system" attitudes.

[ainsane]

This is just disgusting. I can't believe people think this is acceptable behaviour. I guess it's the immaturity and the "screw the system" attitudes.

Yeah I know eh. I guess this site attracts a lot of people like this. I find nothing wrong with using the guarantee if you are grabbing a product anyway and it happens to be old... but not searching for old ones for 1.5 hours.

[Nightgod]

the store buys the product, so why should you get it for free

[Hurk]

Yeah I know eh. I guess this site attracts a lot of people like this.

I can't believe we agree on something. ;)

On another note, I posted the same question on a more mature board, and so far it's 5-0 for wrong.

[asim99]

mature board, eh

[Hurk]

mature board, eh

Yes, on a more mature board.

[15-20_God]

there is a difference between using the system and exploiting the system.

[ainsane]

I can't believe we agree on something. ;)

When have I ever disagreed with you on anything? :)

[asim99]

Yes, on a more mature board.

take a chill pill dude, just in this thread and the other related one you have used or supported the use of following terms...doesn't sound very mature to me

disgusting
immaturity
"screw the system" attitudes
dumb
***
cheap
"WORSE* than a homeless person looking through trash
You give immigrants a bad name
ignorant
HERE IN CANADA we frown upon that
immoral

[ainsane]

take a chill pill dude, just in this thread and the other related one you have used or supported the use of following terms...doesn't sound very mature to me

disgusting
immaturity
"screw the system" attitudes
dumb
***
cheap
"WORSE* than a homeless person looking through trash
You give immigrants a bad name
ignorant
HERE IN CANADA we frown upon that
immoral

I see nothing wrong with disgusting, immaturity, cheap, ignorant, and immoral. The rest aren't too great.

[devious9191]

Aye, this is one of the most ignorant threads I've seen in a while. You have no idea what that guy's situation is. Just because you wouldn't spend time going through items at a store to determine which one's are expired, doesn't mean that it is 'wrong'.

Someone should post a thread referring to this one, whether it is 'right or wrong' to start ignorant threads about something that really doesn't concern you.

[kbjy11]

i've seen people at my local dominion doing that.. two guys had a shopping cart FULL of expired items...lol

it's sad, but there will always be people like this in society...

not wrong, it's just being a cheapskate.

i am sure there are many rfd'ers who do the same :o

[Hurk]

take a chill pill dude, just in this thread and the other related one you have used or supported the use of following terms...doesn't sound very mature to me

disgusting
immaturity
"screw the system" attitudes
dumb
***
cheap
"WORSE* than a homeless person looking through trash
You give immigrants a bad name
ignorant
HERE IN CANADA we frown upon that
immoral

Doing these type of things in my opinion is disgusting, cheap, immature and immoral.

I do see this being worse than a homeless person looking through trash for food, because the homeless person needs to live. A person with a job doesn't need to rip off companies.

What I wrote about "HERE IN CANADA we frown upon that" is correct, and you can take anything out of context. I'm not going to go through your posts and point out the things that you have said, because you are just so perfect and never say anything negative, right?

I never used the word ***, but agreed with the comment which had the word *** in it.

What's your point?

[asim99]

my point is - you don't have to act high and mighty, and berate the board (by calling it immature, by implication) just because people don't see eye to eye with you

the act of that guy had nothing to do with being immigrant and ***, and if you do not see any problem with that i am sure you belong on a "more mature" board than here...i hope you act more mature there than here

Doing these type of things in my opinion is disgusting, cheap, immature and immoral.

I do see this being worse than a homeless person looking through trash for food, because the homeless person needs to live. A person with a job doesn't need to rip off companies.

What I wrote about "HERE IN CANADA we frown upon that" is correct, and you can take anything out of context. I'm not going to go through your posts and point out the things that you have said, because you are just so perfect and never say anything negative, right?

I never used the word ***, but agreed with the comment which had the word *** in it.

What's your point?

[TenzoR]

an ass is an ass
there is no way to change it

[Hurk]

my point is - you don't have to act high and mighty, and berate the board (by calling it immature, by implication) just because people don't see eye to eye with you

the act of that guy had nothing to do with being immigrant and ***, and if you do not see any problem with that i am sure you belong on a "more mature" board than here...i hope you act more mature there than here

Agreed, I don't have to act all high and mighty, but I do believe this board is immature regardless if they agree or not.

Yes, what he did was not a homosexual act in anyway. Agreed.

Immigrant or not, that's another topic as I think it has a role in this (but not a demeaning role, just one as different ways things are done in different countries. I doubt you could find a lot of places overseas that would have a policy like this).

[justlam_]

People that wants to be cheap then go ahead, i am uptight about my money when it's just me but i am not cheap when I'm going out with my friends or in public. If the manager is giving the guy trouble about it, obviously the manager still has use for the expired stuff. Maybe return it back to their distributor or sell it to customers that don't care.

[aquariaguy]

It's funny, hardly anyone agrees with you on the other thread, and than you post a poll and you still lose, and you still whine and than cry immature at us.
I personally don't see anything wrong with what the guy did, but I wouldn't waste 90 minutes of my time looking for expired items. Just because you think its a ridiculously waste of time.

Sell your stocks in A&P if you think this guy is hurting your portfolio. But don't worry, A&P has been up $15 since last yr and it's going up and up by selling expired products to unsuspecting people. I'm guessing its mostly old people that buy the expired products because most of them can't see the expiry date or don't even know what all that crap means.

[kornstar369]

Maybe i should have been more clear with my previous reply. i am ok with the fact that they have that policy, yes. Every company has a "perk" of their own. if you go shopping there, once or even once in a while and you come across a piece of grocery where this policy applies, then go right ahead. B U T , to do it purposly would be morally wrong. I hardly shop at Dominion,for example, and for me to go in looking to spend NO money and to get free groceries would not be right. I think this is where we all agree which is what i should have said before.

[aquariaguy]

the store buys the product, so why should you get it for free

Because that's their policy idiot. Read the thread.

[d_jedi]

Maybe i should have been more clear with my previous reply. i am ok with the fact that they have that policy, yes. Every company has a "perk" of their own. if you go shopping there, once or even once in a while and you come across a piece of grocery where this policy applies, then go right ahead. B U T , to do it purposly would be morally wrong. I hardly shop at Dominion,for example, and for me to go in looking to spend NO money and to get free groceries would not be right. I think this is where we all agree which is what i should have said before.
Add to that the fact that the cakes he got for free were not expired.

[kornstar369]

Add to that the fact that the cakes he got for free were not expired.
well, thats what i mean. taking advantage of this I S N O D I F F E R E N T than trying to get certain PM's done with certain stores that Staples does not PM with. these people i think would be considered thieves :)

[d_jedi]

well, thats what i mean. taking advantage of this I S N O D I F F E R E N T than trying to get certain PM's done with certain stores that Staples does not PM with. these people i think would be considered thieves :)
That's slightly different, especially when they have in big, bold letters statements like this:

YOU WILL NEVER PAY MORE FOR AN ITEM WHEN YOU SHOP WITH US! OUR 150% PRICE GUARANTEE IS OUR PROMISE!(emphasis added)
It's only when you read the lengthy terms and conditions (which vary depending on whether you PM in store or online) that never doesn't really mean never.. it's only when they say so.

[kornstar369]

That's slightly different, especially when they have in big, bold letters statements like this:
(emphasis added)
It's only when you read the lengthy terms and conditions (which vary depending on whether you PM in store or online) that never doesn't really mean never.. it's only when they say so.
lol...then we read the fine print

[Ducay]

You guys dont get it do you. HE SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF SEARCHING THE STORE FOR EXPIRED FOOD. He only put expired product in his cart. What a thief.

I think everyone agrees that they should honour they policy, but not to this degree.

[d_jedi]

lol...then we read the fine print
in which case Staples managers still manage to try to bamboozle us into accepting something less (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=165951) (no PM/100% only) than their policy dictates..

[ah802]

The stores are understaffed, and workers under paid..

The expired stuff usually has to be carted to the back... and submitted to the manufacturer for credit. It's easier to let the stuff walk out the front with a customer; without paying, but the stores still get the credit (read don't lose money) and then the rep for the product gets a tounge lash for bringing in too much product with dates too close to expiry..

These shoppers are 'known' to the stores generally, and they do a service that is wanted. Key items to watch for... any stuff with deep shelves, Pop, Chips and stuff with quick expiries.

[danfromwaterloo]

I think the one thing many of us can agree on is the MINDSET of the person using the policy, and not so much the effects. Lets say he went through the store and BY CHANCE picked up $100 worth of spoiled goods, and discovered this at the register. He should be entitled to use the policy, as his INTENT was not to gyp the store, but rather buy fresh goods, but the store was faulty in their inventory.

NOW, if he went there with the expressed purpose of going to exploit the policy, I think its completely WRONG. The intent behind the policy is to ensure that you always get fresh products. Not to give away free things. You may not be exploiting the letter of the policy, but you're exploiting the spirit of it.

Instead of giving you a free item regardless of whether the dates are off, they should make it that, if a comparable product is not available in its expiration date, you should get it free. It would prevent against this type of abuse.

IMHO, though, its insanely cheap and VERY immoral. Its akin to PMing Staples to make them take a big loss....multiple times.

[Hurk]

The store isn't guaranteeing that you'll never find an expired product. They're saying that they won't let you walk out with one if you find one. It's a protection and a statement of commitment. That said, what that guy is doing is cheap. He's abusing a system that was instituted in good faith. Sure, no fraud is done, but the system may just get canceled for everyone because of a few.


This is a good point of view.

Good quote dan.

I still don't understand how people think this is okay, but whatever.

[d_jedi]

NOW, if he went there with the expressed purpose of going to exploit the policy, I think its completely WRONG. The intent behind the policy is to ensure that you always get fresh products. Not to give away free things. You may not be exploiting the letter of the policy, but you're exploiting the spirit of it.
Exactly.

[ah802]

Who wants to buy spoiled or past expiry food?

I think you are doing the store a service. They should probably pay you for the work that their employees are SUPPOSED to be doing.

If the store wants to sell past expiry foods, then they should put that stuff in a special section with a sign clearly saying "Discounted Prices for Past Expiry Foods".Well 2L pop for example has a 3 month best before (it doesn't mean it's poison) which means maybe that 2% of the gas has migrated out of the plastic.. if you get it for free, it tastes better.

Yes these cheap people hunting down expired deals should be paid!

It's a violation to sell expired products, case in point, there used to be the House of Usher that specialized in expired product, they had many dealings with the health dept. they're out of business now.

[Hurk]

Well 2L pop for example has a 3 month best before (it doesn't mean it's poison) which means maybe that 2% of the gas has migrated out of the plastic.. if you get it for free, it tastes better.

Yes these cheap people hunting down expired deals should be paid!

It's a violation to sell expired products, case in point, there used to be the House of Usher that specialized in expired product, they had many dealings with the health dept. they're out of business now.

Nobody is getting spoiled food. The expired products are replaced with fresh products and the customer leaves not paying a cent for the item. That is fine. Hunting down items and bringing only the expired items to the cashier is deliberately exploiting the system.

[ainsane]

I still don't understand how people think this is okay, but whatever.

Me either. I can understand that the store shouldn't be selling expired goods. I can also understand that they have the policy of Fresh or its Free and that he's just using the policy as it's stated.

But putting only expired goods in your cart and claiming $75-100 worth of free stuff without paying for anything is taking it way too far. It's not even so much that I care about Dominion losing the money. It's just the fact that he's taking advantage of other people for his own gain. Whether it be the manager who gets in trouble from his bosses, even though he really can't make sure there are no expired products. Or the people behind him in the huge line that was created, who he actually started laughing at. Or even that it might make it harder to use the guarantee for regular shoppers at Dominion.

If he's mad at Dominion in some way for having expired products... simply don't shop there. I doubt there is any store around that has no expired products on their shelves... it's just part of the business. It's just that Dominion is smart enough to have the guarantee to keep their regular customers coming back and happy. And I bet they don't have a limit on the number of free items because they assume that most people will never take it that far.

There is a different between using a policy and abusing a policy. This policy is, I'm assuming, meant for regular shoppers who happen to find an old product. If I was the manager at the store, I would ban someone like that from my store. If all they do is come in to claim free stuff and not pay for anything, what good are they as a customer.

[Hurk]

Me either. I can understand that the store shouldn't be selling expired goods. I can also understand that they have the policy of Fresh or its Free and that he's just using the policy as it's stated.

But putting only expired goods in your cart and claiming $75-100 worth of free stuff without paying for anything is taking it way too far. It's not even so much that I care about Dominion losing the money. It's just the fact that he's taking advantage of other people for his own gain. Whether it be the manager who gets in trouble from his bosses, even though he really can't make sure there are no expired products. Or the people behind him in the huge line that was created, who he actually started laughing at. Or even that it might make it harder to use the guarantee for regular shoppers at Dominion.

If he's mad at Dominion in some way for having expired products... simply don't shop there. I doubt there is any store around that has no expired products on their shelves... it's just part of the business. It's just that Dominion is smart enough to have the guarantee to keep their regular customers coming back and happy. And I bet they don't have a limit on the number of free items because they assume that most people will never take it that far.

There is a different between using a policy and abusing a policy. This policy is, I'm assuming, meant for regular shoppers who happen to find an old product. If I was the manager at the store, I would ban someone like that from my store. If all they do is come in to claim free stuff and not pay for anything, what good are they as a customer.

If I *ever* did anything like that, I would never be able to go back to that store again. I'd be so embarassed.

You are %100 right ainsane.

[computer01]

I both agree and disagree, much the same as most others in this thread.

Thought I'd just point out that currently, 54% of ppl say he's right for doing it.

[runamuck]

It's just the fact that he's taking advantage of other people for his own gain. Whether it be the manager who gets in trouble from his bosses, even though he really can't make sure there are no expired products. .

wrong ..its his job to make sure,..he has plenty of staff..thats the whole point of this policy

Or the people behind him in the huge line that was created, who he actually started laughing at.

laughing at them was wrong..but it they gave me strange looks i'da punked them too...wait ur turn

Or even that it might make it harder to use the guarantee for regular shoppers at Dominion.

how would it be harder..just like a PM..it either goes or it doesn't ..its the policy, if the manager is a hardass and refuses..take it up with his superviser... if the customer is lazy they wont deal with it..thats why managers get away with it
the only way it will be harder is to find such bad product.not to get it for free...you win in the end because you're getting quality product, not free product....anyone who complains with this point is only jealous of their chances...


It's just that Dominion is smart enough to have the guarantee to keep their regular customers coming back and happy. And I bet they don't have a limit on the number of free items because they assume that most people will never take it that far.

no they dont have a limit because head office doesnt expect managers to be so lazy and expect that much of a loss....if they put a limit then they would expect people to find bad products..but guess what they dont expect people to find any!.... $75bucks worth is a shame ..to the store, staff, and manager..i bet the other managers look down on that guy thinking what a schmuck he is for running a junkstore

There is a different between using a policy and abusing a policy. This policy is, I'm assuming, meant for regular shoppers who happen to find an old product.

this policy is for anybody who finds an expired product...no stipulations...no limits...how clear can they be with it..if the manager had a problem he would have OBVIOUSLY REFUSED THE TRANSACTION...he knows he was wrong..he tossed his cocky attitude in..he knows its his loss..not the stores..at the end of the day he has to account for it...

If I was the manager at the store, I would ban someone like that from my store.

if u were the manager u should be fired for being lazy..probably the same kind of manager who "bans" people from PMing because they find valid PM opportunities all the time...
no manger wants to giveaway something for free especially when it shows their incompetence.


If all they do is come in to claim free stuff and not pay for anything, what good are they as a customer

what good is the manager if they're selling crap to a customer...


i commend the dude for getting the stuff for free......this isnt a common thing..its all at the fault of that particular manager.....head office wont take away this policy, they'll just make the managers work harder....in the end
it ensures that people will get QUALITY PRODUCTS

everyone here is just jealous because it'll be harder to get the 1 product free...0% free product means you're getting quality on the shelfs..

[runamuck]

FYI

this manager is clearly not FRESH OBSESSED! :D

[aquariaguy]

If I *ever* did anything like that, I would never be able to go back to that store again. I'd be so embarassed.

You are %100 right ainsane.

I think you don't agree with him because you don't have the balls to do something like that. He does and that's why he's not embarassed.

I'm glad he did that to Dominion. Time for them to get their act together. Hopefully he goes to each Dominion and owns all of them.

It doesn't make a difference if he walked out with $90 of food or whatever. What if 3 people walked out with each $30 of food? Or 10 people walked out with $9 of food? What difference does it make? Just because he's getting all the free food that someone else would get?

Props to him for taking expired food off the shelves for the poor old people that will most likely have bought it.

[mrmoe]

if its A&Pn then good.

the dumb ass who came up with that campain is probally long gone.
what a desperate attempt to save them.,

anyways

if you are "hunting" for those items, then you need to get a life.
OR
get a bolt cutter and startbreaking into dumpsters.

[WiZZLa]

Wow, this thread is full of bitching, and it's not coming from d_jedi for a change. :confused:

[kornstar369]

if its A&Pn then good.

the dumb ass who came up with that campain is probally long gone.
what a desperate attempt to save them.,

.....


i doubt he is long gone...

[aquariaguy]

54 - Right
46 - Wrong

[eBuddy]

It's funny, hardly anyone agrees with you on the other thread, and than you post a poll and you still lose, and you still whine and than cry immature at us. :lol: The majority, including A&P, realize that there was no impropriety, but the hateful & racist posters are actually worse than anything flito ray did.

the dumb ass who came up with that campain is probally long gone. Actually, that person has probably been promoted. As evidenced by all the new "Fresh or Free" advertisements, A&P loves this marketing scheme because there are not enough smart consumers like flito ray who bother to check for expired items. A&P will continue to "have its cake (expired!) and eat it too."

[kornstar369]

54 - Right
46 - Wrong
lol...look at what you started hurk

[Hurk]

lol...look at what you started hurk

No worries.

To me, the fact that anyone would see this as acceptable behaviour is depressing. I thought Canadian's were more respectful than this. I hate being told I live in a country with people like this, it just ruins your day. Sometimes, "I am Canadian" isn't so great.

[masterhapposai]

No worries.

To me, the fact that anyone would see this as acceptable behaviour is depressing. I thought Canadian's were more respectful than this. I hate being told I live in a country with people like this, it just ruins your day. Sometimes, "I am Canadian" isn't so great.

You probably have found a nice local grocery store that doesn't stock a huge 'hidden' amount of 'rotten' foods/items.

Good for you? *clap*?

What about the rest of us that have to spend tons of extra time inspecting foods/cans/medicine because the store randomly throws in expired items hoping we buy them.

Clown.

[Hurk]

You probably have found a nice local grocery store that doesn't stock a huge 'hidden' amount of 'rotten' foods/items.

Good for you? *clap*?

What about the rest of us that have to spend tons of extra time inspecting foods/cans/medicine because the store randomly throws in expired items hoping we buy them.

Clown.

Don't you test drive a car before you buy? Why would you not inspect a piece of fruit before you purchase it. It's your own stupidity if you buy rotten fruit, or expired milk.

[masterhapposai]

Karma is a *****, what goes around comes around. the person who did this pissed off alot of people, and all for a few muffins.. I hope he chokes on them.

Imposing religious beliefs on others + freaking out to the point of almost making a death threat.

Wow, go see the Zoloft thread now.



Notice how most of the "No" voters in this thread are completely irrational.

[aquariaguy]

Don't you test drive a car before you buy? Why would you not inspect a piece of fruit before you purchase it. It's your own stupidity if you buy rotten fruit, or expired milk.

What i it was an old person, i doubt they would inspect the fruit 100% if they have glaucoma or some other bad eye disease.

How could we know it's expired or not, if they change the labels on the cake and other stuff?

Looks like the polls are in favor of RIGHT, by an even bigger margin.

[runamuck]

maybe some of u dont care for the little things but im sure AP/Dominion's headoffice intention was to let customers know that they wont have to worry about finding "bad products" on the shelfs and produce asile...its a comfort factor for the consumer.

it isn't a horrible site these days..even no frills has people who are always cleaning up the shelfs, and asiles...

bloody shame to that dominions manager!..especially when their prices are higher :D

[actuary]

No worries.

To me, the fact that anyone would see this as acceptable behaviour is depressing. I thought Canadian's were more respectful than this. I hate being told I live in a country with people like this, it just ruins your day. Sometimes, "I am Canadian" isn't so great.

Hurk, you brought this on yourself. Why ask a question if you can't handle the results? Of course, I seriously doubt you are actually depressed over this. But exaggeration does help get your point across.

And if you truly "hate being told [you] live in a country with people like this" maybe you should find a new country. I hear Americans are pretty sympathetic.

[and saying "I am Canadian" is always great. It's a shame people like you don't realize how lucky you are to be able to say it.]

[actuary]

Just for the record, I abstained from this vote. I don't know if the OP was right or wrong, mostly because I don't care.

I really couldn't care less about what people do to Dominion in their spare time. I never really cared for that grocery store anyway (Loblaws is much fresher - at least in my area).

[masterhapposai]

Don't you test drive a car before you buy? Why would you not inspect a piece of fruit before you purchase it. It's your own stupidity if you buy rotten fruit, or expired milk.

Broken analogy..


No one buys 100+ cars a week. It's easy to buy 100 items at a grocery store in 1 week.

No car dealership managers test drives every car, they assume it's been tested by someone else, the shipper.

I assume the store tests/checks their products for quality. But, when you're buying so many tiny items it's easy to make error yourself ontop of their error.

With abuse of the policy, they will get so fed up and possibly scared, they will clean up their act. If they remove the policy and "bad" food which is hidden amongst fresh inventory increases, people will take it to the news.

[ainsane]

You guys are making some good points for the 'Right' side. You're right that the stores shouldn't have any bad products to begin with incase older people for instance can't read the labels.

If the main purpose of the original poster was to teach Dominion a lesson because he was mad that they had old products, then I might have voted Yes. But the thing is that the original poster didn't mention once that he was doing anyone a else a service by claiming these free products. The vibe that I got from his originally post was that he was showing off at his 'score' of a shopping cart full of free items... not that he was happy that he was helping old people with glaucoma from paying for bad products.

If some Robin Hood type wants to go to every Dominion store around doing this and, say, donate the food to the food bank, then I would be totally for it and would applaud him on his efforts. But not when the guy *seems* to only care about the fact that he got free food for himself.

That's what made me totally disagree with HIS actions specifically.

[Hurk]

Broken analogy..


No one buys 100+ cars a week. It's easy to buy 100 items at a grocery store in 1 week.

No car dealership managers test drives every car, they assume it's been tested by someone else, the shipper.

I assume the store tests/checks their products for quality. But, when you're buying so many tiny items it's easy to make error yourself ontop of their error.

With abuse of the policy, they will get so fed up and possibly scared, they will clean up their act. If they remove the policy and "bad" food which is hidden amongst fresh inventory increases, people will take it to the news.

Your analogy is even worse. You are the consumer. You test drive a car before you buy it. It's up to you to inspect any product before you buy it. (Of course this doesn't count on things that are boxed, or things you can't inspect without opening, but these generally aren't perishables)

EDIT: An old person with eye problems usually asks the date on milk or bread if they can't see it.

The OP of the other thread had an intent to go get free groceries. That is abuse. If the OP of the other thread went there, notices some things that he was going to buy are bad, I doubt anyone would have an issue with that. Instead, he searched for an hour and a half, caused a fuss, held up a line, laughed at people behind him and didn't follow policy (as the policy is only in place during regular hours).

[asim99]

the only thing that troubled me about the original poster was the fact that he seems to be quite decently-employed (he didn't deny that his salary was about 82K)...that's not the kind of person i expect would care for something so trivial

You guys are making some good points for the 'Right' side. You're right that the stores shouldn't have any bad products to begin with incase older people for instance can't read the labels.

If the main purpose of the original poster was to teach Dominion a lesson because he was mad that they had old products, then I might have voted Yes. But the thing is that the original poster didn't mention once that he was doing anyone a else a service by claiming these free products. The vibe that I got from his originally post was that he was showing off at his 'score' of a shopping cart full of free items... not that he was happy that he was helping old people with glaucoma from paying for bad products.

If some Robin Hood type wants to go to every Dominion store around doing this and, say, donate the food to the food bank, then I would be totally for it and would applaud him on his efforts. But not when the guy *seems* to only care about the fact that he got free food for himself.

That's what made me totally disagree with HIS actions specifically.

[cheukiecfu]

i didn't read all the 7 pages... so some of these pts may have had already mentioned before... anyway, here is my thought on this:
i voted for wrong... i just dun think it's right... that's such a cheap-ass thing to do... BUT.. after some deeper thinking, i dun think pplz doing this are any wrong...they definitely can do that.. they are just following the company's policy.. so why not?
you can say they are abusing the company's policy.. the policy's intention isn't this.. but let me ask this, "Who here do Price Match?" it's just the same thing.. does the company really intended to give you away PMed items 10% of their original cost? a lot of PMs are "abusive" too..
so why is looking through flyers everyweek trying to find PM acceptable? we can even have a whole sub-forum dedicated to this PM deals...
it's all the same... if u feel it's right to go to staples, PM and get a cordless phone or gamepad for free.. this should be too...
one difference making this more "acceptable" than PMing is that why would anyone want rottten food? on the other hand, the stuffs pplz PM are in excellent retail condition and has much greater usable value..
i bet if we start a "is it right to PM stuffs and get it for free" poll, 80% of the pplz here will say "right"... it's all biased...

[kornstar369]

http://www.freshobsessed.com/policies/index.aspx?param=policies


i think that the policy should have this thown in there somewhere:

...ITS FRESH OR ITS FREE ONLY IF YOU ARE A LOYAL SHOPPER...

wouldnt that solve all the problems? :)

[aquariaguy]

EDIT: An old person with eye problems usually asks the date on milk or bread if they can't see it.


You really think that will happen? Ha. I volunteer with CNIB and people with low vision rarely ask others for help. It's not like you're gonna see a Dominion sales person walking the aisles. So for everything they buy that is perishable, they are gonna go to the cash and ask about each item...

[curtis]

It's like making a bet, losing, refusing to own up, and calling it right.

Just because you wouldn't do something or it's immoral doesn't mean it's wrong. *and I'm not saying it's immoral either, but I wouldn't say it's a shining example of what to do in your spare time haha.

What's the big deal anyways? If it really bugs you, just think of it this way, the store would have had to hire someone to take expired stuff off the shelves anyways. Instead, they paid him in stock.

[Hurk]

You really think that will happen? Ha. I volunteer with CNIB and people with low vision rarely ask others for help. It's not like you're gonna see a Dominion sales person walking the aisles. So for everything they buy that is perishable, they are gonna go to the cash and ask about each item...

They always do here which is why I don't "think" it will happen, I know it happens. They ask anyone around, and being good Canadian citizens, they are happy to help.

[NLI10D]

i'm utterly surprised at the amount of people that voted yes. what he did is well within the policy, but as someone mentioned he's not doing it for what the policy is suppose to do. the policy is not there so people can get free gorcery. alot of the reason a read for those who tolerate the action has the same basic principle in mind - if they dont like the loop hole they should change the policy. with that being said, this is no different than someone buying clothes at Gap/Banana rep and returning it after wearing it before the 14 days(maybe they dont wanna shell out money to do laundry or something). if this is what our society is coming to, oh man are we in trouble.

[WiZZLa]

You really think that will happen? Ha. I volunteer with CNIB and people with low vision rarely ask others for help.

I agree with that. Of the people I know that are visually impaired or d/Deaf, they like to be independant and not be a burden or a charity case to other people.

[gh05t]

i'm utterly surprised at the amount of people that voted yes. what he did is well within the policy, but as someone mentioned he's not doing it for what the policy is suppose to do. the policy is not there so people can get free gorcery. alot of the reason a read for those who tolerate the action has the same basic principle in mind - if they dont like the loop hole they should change the policy. with that being said, this is no different than someone buying clothes at Gap/Banana rep and returning it after wearing it before the 14 days(maybe they dont wanna shell out money to do laundry or something). if this is what our society is coming to, oh man are we in trouble.

I agree with you NL.

The advent of the internet and the abilty to enjoy anonimity as one hides behind an IP address has brought with it an influx of self proclaimed moralists, prudes and holier than though types. The yes voters have clearly proven this.

That fact that you cannot see them and they themselves can neither objectively assess themselves for lack of the proverbial mirror maybe will have them believing with a false sense of prudism they have labelled themselves with, that they are indeed better than the other person which is what society requires of us as we compete to seem more moral than the next.

It's the little things too that bug people. If one has not broken written law and abided by the rules of a game but have not abided by the ethical standards of some who hold themselves holier than thou, then that person is to feel the flames.

The strength in numbers works well in such a scenario and the fact that you are on the bandwagon of the majority means somehow you are righteous and it also takes attention away from your morality being questioned as the spotlight is on the other person whose morality is in question and so the opportunity is used to make oneself seem more moral than the other person which is exactly what our relgiously and biblically derived societal conventions requires of us and has driven us to do almost as a reflex.

Some are able to see others but not themselves and criticize others for the same things they themselves sometimes are guilty of.

Jehovah's witnesses are criticized because they wish to impose their beliefs on some they visit yet that same person who criticized them in turn would like to impose or at least want his beliefs to be the one that everyone conforms to and become convention if possible as again because of human nature each individual thinks that his way is best or right and though they would have had moral training they are unable to apply the simple tolerance and understanding needed in this situation which I am sure they would have learned being so morally just and all.

Some people have no problem or remorse having sex with a married man's wife(adultery) in his own bed and house or sex before marriage or sex without love of a person but are quick to enforce literally other lessons of the good books or commandments that they so conveniently hold sacred with that air of fire and brimstone.

Some forget to practice what they preach, in this case tolerance and understanding, or conveniently forget it altogether depending on the circumstance and the opportunities for they themselves to seem moral to those who don't know them.

There are so many of life's lessons that show us how hypocritical we all are in or actions and reactions ,including myself, yet as we do with our moral teachings etc, we conveniently choose to acknowledge or practice some and neglect others at any given time depending on how the situation benefits us.

You would often hear many millionaires when asked about the crappy car or clothes they wear, say that they did not become millonaires through conspicuous consumption so just because someone makes a high figured salary, it doesn't mean he has to live up to your biased and subjective ideals of how and what you would spend your money on.

Amen :D

[danfromwaterloo]

This whole argument is a slippery slope debate:

Is it okay to basically rob Dominion of all that food? Y/N

Is it okay to PM something x number of times when it forces Staples to basically give it to you? Y/N

Is it okay to apply to OSAP then invest that money in stocks and get your family to pay your tuition? Y/N

Is it okay to go down to the food bank and get food there? Y/N

Is it okay to steal from bums? Y/N

Where do you draw YOUR line?

[NLI10D]

Is it okay to PM something x number of times when it forces Staples to basically give it to you? Y/N
most likely that item will be OOS so there's not even a point in debating this :D
Is it okay to apply to OSAP then invest that money in stocks and get your family to pay your tuition? Y/N
its rare that someone would be approved legitimately. only way they could be approved is to have their address changed even though they still live at home, so there isn't even a point in debating morals with crooks like these.
Is it okay to go down to the food bank and get food there? Y/N
its one thing when you're down and out but its another when you're just being cheap. lets not forgot that lady that begs all over ontario but drives a VW apparently leased very cheaply.
Is it okay to steal from bums? Y/N
stealing is stealing, there's no putting a spin to it.
Where do you draw YOUR line?
depending on how clear or unclear you draw ur line, is a clear indication of what kind of morals and ethics you abide by in life.

[remmuh]

Do you think it's right to go into a store, looking for $75 - $100 of bad products, going to the cashier and saying "I get these free, they are bad, it's in your policy Fresh or Free". Then walk out, without paying a dime.



How do you define a "BAD" product?

IF they are "BAD" then the store will probably throw them out.

So maybe it's the store saying...

"Everyone come take all the bad products so we don't have to throw it all away!"

[ainsane]

How do you define a "BAD" product?

IF they are "BAD" then the store will probably throw them out.

So maybe it's the store saying...

"Everyone come take all the bad products so we don't have to throw it all away!"

For the last time... they don't give you the bad ones! They give you a FREE FRESH REPLACEMENT for the bad ones.

[aquariaguy]

For the last time... they don't give you the bad ones! They give you a FREE FRESH REPLACEMENT for the bad ones.

LOL. This is like the 2nd time someone made that mistake :)

RIGHT IS WINNING!

[runamuck]

http://www.marketingmag.ca/images/XTQ/2004/03/dominion2.jpg


An A&P employee stands at an ice-filled fresh cut fruit display.

EMPLOYEE: (to male customer) Would you like to try some freshly cut fruit? CUSTOMER: Sure!
EMPLOYEE: Too bad.
VIDEO: She drops the sample dish.

EMPLOYEE: See, some places just ship this stuff in, pre-cut. In buckets (shivers).
VIDEO: The customer looks more stunned. A 'Staff Only' door opens, out walks the real Superfoods employee. The DOMINION employee realizes the gig is nearly up.

EMPLOYEE: (thinking fast) Cover me!
VIDEO: She goes in for the ol' fake kiss. Kissing...Kissing...She shuffles them into the next aisle, safe.

CUSTOMER: (breathless, in awe) Who are you?
EMPLOYEE: I work at the DOMINION store across the street (checks her watch, all business). Oh, lunch break's over.

VIDEO: She bolts.

CUSTOMER: (stunned) Can I call you?

VIDEO: Exterior of Superfoods. DOMINION employee runs from the store, swish pan to A&P store across the street.

ANNOUNCER: Freshly cut fruit, from our own perfect produce, at... ANNOUNCER/ SUPER: (over shot of store)

DOMINION. We're fresh obsessed.






http://www.marketingmag.ca/magazine/current/marketing_awards/article.jsp?content=20040329_63039_63039


they got GOLD, SILVER and some other honerable mention in this 30second commercial marketing awards...



according to this link A&P owns FOOD BASICS!

http://www.progressivegrocer.com/progressivegrocer/magazine/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000913852

[Flyhigh]

Firstly, I voted wrong, unethetical. What really bothered me was the fact that 69 ppl voted yes, and 62 voted no, so more people on RFD thinks its right and ethetical to do what the guy did. Hopefully if the poll was open to the public and everyone can vote, mabye more people will agree with "no"

This isn't about finding expired items so other customers won't end up with it, or about making A&P honouring their policy. YES it is their stated policy, but ANYONE with good morales and ethetics will know that the intention is if you find an item or two thats not fresh, you get those for free no problem. On the other hand, searching the entire store for hours so you can have your entire groceries for free isn't about honouring the policy, but instead nobody taught you about ethetics and morales. If you really are poor and needed to do that to get free groceries, there are other alternatives where you can shop at besides dominion that are much cheaper, like no frills and price choppers..etc. And if you still say you can't afford those, then mabye you need to start saving money for groceries instead of buying the latest TV or tech gears, or whatever you are buying that are not leaving you with enough money for groceries.

It's people like these that makes the Enron and the WorldCom Scandals possible, where thousands and thousands lost their jobs due to the poor ethetics of the company's leaders, and also its people like these at the accounting Firm Arthur Andersen who unethetically helped Enron with the scandals. How do you think people that were involved in all these scandals behaved this way? They had poor ethetics since a youth, and gets worse as they become adults.

*Something to think about* Does shopping at dominion really give you a sense of high status in the society? Or getting a coffee at Starbucks as opposed to Tim hortons? Today's society is teaching kids into thinking that way. If you shop at wal-mart/zellers/discount stores, you won't be respected, or have any social status. You have to shop at high-end stores like Holt Renfrew or something to be respected and recognized. This is why you will see people who drive BMW 3 series/Benz C series around that are broke and can barely afford gas, just for the status symbol. There are people who make millions a year, but their children are driving around with hondas and toyotas. But anyways this is getting off topic.

Don't be a part of the problem, be a part of the solution. Thanks to those who voted "No"

[kitbor]

I will do it myself if I found it. I might not consume it but the store must not commit anything that they are not prepared to honour. And there is absolutely nothing wrong in doing so. What’s disturbing, after read through the posts, was the fact that there were many people who thought too high of themselves and call name like “cheapstick, abuser, …”. They actually do you people the service and you should be thankful. Instead of lashing at people who take advantage of this policy, the store that keeps spoil products on their shelf, intentional or not, must be condemn. If you thing it’s wrong then let me ask you. Is it OK to shelf the poison in the grocery store?