Athlon64 vs. Intel

[mlc2000]

I'm not up on the CPU wars so maybe u can help me...

Why do I see Intel p4 530 3.0Ghz chips selling for less than AMD Athlon64 3500 2.2ghz.

It would appear to me that the Intel chip is faster. Am I wrong?

I'm gonna buy a new mobo, chip and some ram so I wanna know whats the best (and cheapest) option. I play some 3rd person shooters but mostly I just surf the web and play movies.


Can anyone recommend a good mobo and chip?
I have AMD XP2600+ on A7V600 mobo with 1gb ram.
Is there a tremendous difference with DDR Ram?
Is it worth my while getting it? Oh yea, can I bring my PC3200 ram to the next mobo? Or should I get something else?

[hot-m3d1c]

I haven't had amd64, but from what i can tell my 2.8 Ghz intel system runs very nice. I use ddr2 tho..

[DaFonz]

I'm not up on the CPU wars so maybe u can help me...

Why do I see Intel p4 530 3.0Ghz chips selling for less than AMD Athlon64 3500 2.2ghz.

It would appear to me that the Intel chip is faster. Am I wrong?

I'm gonna buy a new mobo, chip and some ram so I wanna know whats the best (and cheapest) option. I play some 3rd person shooters but mostly I just surf the web and play movies.


Can anyone recommend a good mobo and chip?
I have AMD XP2600+ on A7V600 mobo with 1gb ram.
Is there a tremendous difference with DDR Ram?
Is it worth my while getting it? Oh yea, can I bring my PC3200 ram to the next mobo? Or should I get something else?

Because clock for clock.. the athlon is faster.. which means that at 2.2 ghz, it's faster than the intel at 3 ghz.

New mobo, chip and ram.. then cheapes is amd64

DDR? Um... if you have ddr3200 already.. then it'll work fine for amd64.. for new intels (socket 775), you'll probably want to get ddr2 though there are some boards that work with ddr1.

[jed]

The A64's Really run nice! Smoking, more to the fact, IMHO. Even some cool features like Cool & Quiet - changing processor speed and power savings.

If it were me, I'd look at a nice nF3 or nF4 motherboard, nice Skt 939, and a processor to match. That way your ram is reused in this new iteration of your PC.

[wanted]

kk, on the topic of A64....
Is it common for an A64 3000+ to run at 700Mhz?

[bionicbadger]

kk, on the topic of A64....
Is it common for an A64 3000+ to run at 700Mhz?

If you have cool 'n queit enabled, yes.
It adjusts clock speed as needed. When the load is low, it drops the clock rate to save power and keep the CPU cool. When the CPU load goes up, so does the clock speed.

[duckdown]

AMD 4 LIFE

I don't think I'd ever go INTEL again

[mlc2000]

The A64's Really run nice! Smoking, more to the fact, IMHO. Even some cool features like Cool & Quiet - changing processor speed and power savings.

If it were me, I'd look at a nice nF3 or nF4 motherboard, nice Skt 939, and a processor to match. That way your ram is reused in this new iteration of your PC.


Does the DFI LANPARTY UT NF4 ULTRA-D MOTHERBOARD support my PC3200 ram? I see it at NCIX for $165.85

Is there a board with AGP and PCI-Express?

[rahzel]

Does the DFI LANPARTY UT NF4 ULTRA-D MOTHERBOARD support my PC3200 ram? I see it at NCIX for $165.85

Is there a board with AGP and PCI-Express?
1. it should.
2. not that i know of.

[ChinpokoMon]

Does the DFI LANPARTY UT NF4 ULTRA-D MOTHERBOARD support my PC3200 ram?

Yes, PC3200 is equivalent to DDR400 memory.


Is there a board with AGP and PCI-Express?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=1541691

[mlc2000]

Yes, PC3200 is equivalent to DDR400 memory.




http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=1541691

I found this at Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/cc/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=006880&cid=MB.693).

I wonder if it will support my Sapphire 9550?

[rahzel]

I found this at Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/cc/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=006880&cid=MB.693).

I wonder if it will support my Sapphire 9550?
nope, your 9550 is an AGP videocard and that motherboard is PCI-E.

there is talk about an AGP/PCI-E bridge thing but i dont think there is one available for purchase yet.

[TenzoR]

amd64

until Intel gets their act together :)

[ChinpokoMon]

nope, your 9550 is an AGP videocard and that motherboard is PCI-E.


That motherboard does support a limited number of AGP cards. See the bottom of this page (http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=nf4ul-a9) for details.

[felix]

Does the DFI LANPARTY UT NF4 ULTRA-D MOTHERBOARD support my PC3200 ram? I see it at NCIX for $165.85

Yes. Works find with my 2x512MB PC3200 Corsair Value Select and OCZ Gold VX. The OCZ had to be RMA'd though cuz I got errors in memtest and now I am testing the replacement.

[RideGuy]

I play some 3rd person shooters but mostly I just surf the web and play movies.

I just went from a P4 2.4A to a AMD 3000+ so I think I can offer some advice here. If your primary use is gaming, surfing, and watching movies than go for the AMD. If you are going to be doing allot of encoding/decoding (encripting/decripting) than go for the Intel.

When ever I'm encoding with the AMD64 it feels so sluggish. The P4 with Hyperthreading was way, WAY smoother. Gaming however is definitely smoother on the AMD64, and seems to load allot faster too.


RideGuy

[danfromwaterloo]

AMD 4 LIFE

I don't think I'd ever go INTEL again

Agreed. In the course of my life, I've had the following processors:

1. 386DX40 (AMD)
2. 486DX2/66 (Intel)
3. 486DX4/100 (Intel)
4. Pentium 133 (Intel)
5. Pentium Celeron 500 (Intel)
6. Athlon 1400+ (AMD)
7. Mobile Atlon64 3200+ (AMD)

Every time I've had an AMD, I cannot tell the difference between a comparable Intel...but my wallet is a little thicker.

AMD for life.

[Max_Dealing]

I just went from a P4 2.4A to a AMD 3000+ so I think I can offer some advice here. If your primary use is gaming, surfing, and watching movies than go for the AMD. If you are going to be doing allot of encoding/decoding (encripting/decripting) than go for the Intel.

When ever I'm encoding with the AMD64 it feels so sluggish. The P4 with Hyperthreading was way, WAY smoother. Gaming however is definitely smoother on the AMD64, and seems to load allot faster too.


RideGuy

Agreed,

Max

[jEnkinsX]

Does the DFI LANPARTY UT NF4 ULTRA-D MOTHERBOARD support my PC3200 ram? I see it at NCIX for $165.85
Is there a board with AGP and PCI-Express?
yes i think soo.. i think its this
AGP and PCI-e Mobo (http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20041027/elitegroup-02.html)
Agreed. In the course of my life, I've had the following processors:

1. 386DX40 (AMD)
2. 486DX2/66 (Intel)
3. 486DX4/100 (Intel)
4. Pentium 133 (Intel)
5. Pentium Celeron 500 (Intel)
6. Athlon 1400+ (AMD)
7. Mobile Atlon64 3200+ (AMD)

Every time I've had an AMD, I cannot tell the difference between a comparable Intel...but my wallet is a little thicker.

AMD for life.
Mine is:
Pentium 133MHz-8MB RAM-4MB Gfx Card
Penitum 3 1Ghz - 128MB SDRAM - TNT2
AMD Athlon XP 2500 - 512MB DDR - Ti4600
AMD Athlon 64 3200 - 1GB DDR - 9800PRO

[RideGuy]

If I can remember correctly:

286
P133
P2 333
Cel 667
Cel 1.2
P4 1.6 (400mhz)
P4 2.4 (800mhz w/HT)
AMD 3000+ (willy)


RideGuy

[danfromwaterloo]

If I can remember correctly:

286
P133
P2 333
Cel 667
Cel 1.2
P4 1.6 (400mhz)
P4 2.4 (800mhz w/HT)
AMD 3000+ (willy)


RideGuy

Let me elaborate on ALL the rigs I had:

1. DEC Rainbow 100 (yes, CP/M)
2. IBM XT (8086)
3. IBM AT (286)

Real computers

1. 386DX40 (AMD) - ISA "Oak" VGA card
2. 486DX2/66 (Intel) - VESA ATI Mach 32
3. 486DX4/100 (Intel) - VESA ATI Mach 32
4. Pentium 133 (Intel) - ATI Mach64 w/ 3dfx Monster accelerator card
5. Pentium Celeron 500 (Intel) - ATI Mach64 w/ 3dfx Monster accelerator card
6. Athlon 1400+ (AMD) - nVidia TNT2
7. Mobile Atlon64 3200+ (AMD) - Mobile ATI Radeo 9600 128MB

Look at how disk size has increased

(Rainbow): N/A
(XT): N/A
(AT): 5MB (?)

1. 20 MB
2. 80 MB
3. 200 MB
4. 8 GB
5. 40 GB
6. 160GB
7. 80GB (mobile...going up soon :))

[RideGuy]

At one time I had twin Voodoo2's. That was the S***!


RideGuy

[AudiDude]

I just went from a P4 2.4A to a AMD 3000+ so I think I can offer some advice here. If your primary use is gaming, surfing, and watching movies than go for the AMD. If you are going to be doing allot of encoding/decoding (encripting/decripting) than go for the Intel.

When ever I'm encoding with the AMD64 it feels so sluggish. The P4 with Hyperthreading was way, WAY smoother. Gaming however is definitely smoother on the AMD64, and seems to load allot faster too.


RideGuy
While you are encoding go into task manager and change the priority for the encoding software to "below normal" and your othr apps will run fine. There is software to permanently manage this and it is a great way to eliminate any sluggishness. The encoding will still take the same amount of time.

While we are at it:

1. Commodore 64 (with tape drive)
2. Ryelle made Intel 286-chip soldered on cheap Mobo
3. Pentium 75-(kept it for 2 days) Amptron Mobo
4. Pentium 90-Amptron Mobo
5. AMD 233-Zida Tomato Mobo
6. AMD 333-(kept for 2 weeks) Asus super socket 7 Mobo
7. Celeron 300A (OC @ 450)-Abit BH6 Rev 1 Mobo
8. Intel Xeon 450-Compaq Mobo with onboard SCSI ($7000 workstation)
9. Intel 533 EB Coppermine-Asus P3V-133
10. AMD Duron 800-Asus A7V-133 Mobo
11. AMD Duron 900-Asus A7V-133 Mobo
12. AMD Athlon 1200-Asus A7V-133 Mobo
13. AMD XP 1700-MSI KT3 Ultra Mobo
14. Intel 450 in HP laptop (currently in use as work laptop)
15. AMD XP 1800-MSI KT3 Ultra Mobo
16. AMD XP 2100-MSI KT4V Mobo
17. AMD XP 2500-MSI KT4V Mobo (currently in use as a server)
18. AMD Athlon 1500 in Compaq laptop (currently in use as bedroom laptop)
19. AMD Athlon 64 3000+ - Asus K8V (soon to be a server)
20. AMD Athlon 64 3500+ - Asus A8V (current and OC @ 2.4 used as my workstation)

I also have a Intel 350 on a 440BX i use for my business and a AMD XP 2500 on an Asus A7V8X-X (second workstation for other room where the TV is) that I currently use.

[akito925]

:D my rigs I'd went througt

intel 8088 8mhz
intel 286 20mhz
intel 386 20mhz
intel 386 40mhz
intel 486dx 2 33mhz
intel 486dx 2 66mhz got chip from school
intel 486 dx4 100mhz got computer from friend when he uppgraded
intel pentium 90mhz overclocked to 100mhz
intel pentium 120mhz overclocked to 133mhz
intel pentium 166mmx
intel pentium 233mhz mmx
amd k2 400 overclocked to 450
intel P3 450mhz
intel p3 566mhz
intel p3 800mhz
intel p4 2.6ghz @ 3.5ghz current system

I have alot of family members all systems get passed down when I purchase a new system.. lol.

gone thought so much upgrades.

[RideGuy]

While you are encoding go into task manager and change the priority for the encoding software to "below normal" and your othr apps will run fine. There is software to permanently manage this and it is a great way to eliminate any sluggishness. The encoding will still take the same amount of time.

I already do this, and it's still not the same as HT.


RideGuy

[mortimusmaximus]

Been looking at a 3500+ amd myself.I think I`ll wait untill the X2 processors come out.I read one review where they were ripping a dvd and playing doom 3 at hthe same time with no dropped frames.NOW that is multitasking.

[ChinpokoMon]

Athlon 64 X2 4200+ : US$537
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ : US$581
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ : US$803
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ : US$1001

[oldsnail]

i just picked up a mobo from ncix.
amd64 3000+ (1.8g) 939 venice
msi nforce4-4x
6600gt 128mb
1 gig dual channel ram..

very nice, best part is that it came with hl2 and a bunch of other games.
i prob want to upgrade my 300 watt power supply in the near future though