Official Playstation 3 Thread

[jerryhussain]

PlayStation 3 announced for 2006

Sony confirms the name and release window of its next-generation console in Los Angeles, will use Blu-Ray disc format.

LOS ANGELES--Today saw the second of the big three console makers announce their next-generation platform. At its pre-E3 press conference, Sony Computer Entertainment gave the world its first look at the PlayStation 3, as it now is officially called.


The name was not unexpected, since Sony had been running an extensive teaser-ad campaign prepping the public for the PlayStation 3. The company had laid a blanket of posters around the Los Angeles Convention Center, site of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (aka E3). Bus stalls and billboards around the convention center proclaimed "Prepare for Chang3" in the distinctive PlayStation font with partial shots of the Dual Shock controller's square-circle-triangle-X buttons.

Sony also confirmed the PlayStation 3, will use Blu-Ray discs as its media format. The discs can hold up to six times as much data as current-generation DVDs. It will also supporrd CR-ROM, CDR+W, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R. It also confirmed the machine would be backwards compatible all the way to the original PlayStation.

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port.

The PlayStation 3 will also sport some hefty multimedia features, such as video chat, internet access, digital photo viewing, digital audio and video. Sony Computer Entertainment head Ken Kutaragi introduced it as a "Super computer for computer entertainment."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html

[ieatkittens]

It's fitting their slogan is 'welcome change'...because i'm going to welcome the change that all the sony fanboys will be buying 360's. Soooo sick of little kids telling me the PS2 is "so much better then the xbox" and that i'm just and idiot for saying that the xbox is a better system. ARggh. lol

[Jabb]

how do you think I feel? I own a gamecube.

[wanted]

sick!!!!!
Welcome Change....sounds ok......

[sfu_lifer]

I'm gonna get a 360 regardless. Revolution I'm kinda iffy on. I think the DS is good enough for my Nintendo fix (unless they blow me away at E3). Sony I may buy but it depends on what they're gonna do at E3. Highly highly doubtful they can release when the blu-ray tech is not set in stone thanks to the deal making they're making with toshiba coupled with the fact nobody outside of Sony has near-alpha devkits means no way in hell.
They might do a Nintendo (see N64) and announce it will be released until a month before it's supposed to and just keep delaying it just to screw Xbox over.

[divx]

LOL, i had all 3 and play games on pc. Rule of thumb for buying consoles is to buy the console with the games you like. Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.

[Fantaz]

PlayStation 3 could very well blow away all the competitors and continue to be the market leaders in the next-generation. But we're going to have to wait and see on that. I still can't wait!

[wanted]

I just noticed that those ltters weren't Japanese, they cut the symbols on the buttons in half....Unique.

[sfu_lifer]

LOL, i had all 3 and play games on pc. Rule of thumb for buying consoles is to buy the console with the games you like. Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.
No it's only as good as what you can do with 'em (see Xbox 1 ;))
I've been using my Xbox as my media player from the day somebody made a media player for it using the XDK. In fact, I use it way more for that than actual gaming as it's easier than booting up my PC or turning on the stereo.

[WiZZLa]

Maybe with the PS3 Sony can FINALLY hit the numbers they claimed with the PS2 (the ones that Dreamcast actually surpassed for a while,) although it'll be 4 years too late.

[jerryhussain]

LOL, i had all 3 and play games on pc. Rule of thumb for buying consoles is to buy the console with the games you like. Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.
This time round the consoles will be more powerful than the PCs for some time, considering PCs will get multicore and EDRAM based GPUs in 2006/2007.

[Sheky]

This next generation of consoles will be sexy. Can't wait.

[StrayB]

I couldn't care less about which console is better, but Sony Ads > *.

eNOS LIVES!

[Supra_KL]

I couldn't care less about which console is better, but Sony Ads > *.
So true...
I hope they continue making these dream commercials about the next(x7) generation consoles like this:

Playstation 9!
http://www.methodstudios.com/mox251

[(Bean)]

I hope sony goes down in flames - burn baby burn.


Long live Revolution and the up and comer 360.

I am buying up cheap GC games now to enjoy the backward compatibility of the Revolution.

[Raxel]

So that's a real photo, not a Next-gen game screenshot? :lol:

[jerryhussain]

So that's a real photo, not a Next-gen game screenshot? :lol:
Its an "in-game" screenshot of the next GTA series for the PS3.

/fanboy :cheesygri

[lain]

Here is a fun rumor about the PS3.

PS3 + iPod/iTunes

http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1977

If it is true I'd be all over it.

[sfu_lifer]

Here is a fun rumor about the PS3.

PS3 + iPod/iTunes

http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1977

If it is true I'd be all over it.
iTunes is something new BUT Microsoft already promised the Xbox 360 is a multimedia hub. They already announced you can hook up any mp3 device and have the 360 be able to play the content inside (iPod was specifically mentioned). Same with digital cameras. Hook-ups via the USB 2.0 ports.
Plus you can stream stuff over from your Wintel boxes as well.
No biggie.

[WiZZLa]

I couldn't care less about which console is better, but Sony Ads > *.

Yes, and ads sell a console. MS & Nintendo need that marketing machine.

[JLee]

LOL, i had all 3 and play games on pc. Rule of thumb for buying consoles is to buy the console with the games you like. Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.

amen, i have xbox, gc, ps2... i play my pc half the time, the other half I'm sleeping. :cheesygri

[Nacster]

Some more interesting Pics have been circulating the internet on the PS3 from the Los Angeles Electronics show :eek:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/14/screens_6124579.html?page=1

[Hurk]

XBox has superior hardware and some great exclusive games.
PS2 has a tonne of games and some great exclusive games.
Gamecube has great multiplayer games and some great exclusive games.

I play WoW on PC and haven't touched my three systems in a long time.... Actually, I listen to music from my XBox while cleaning.

I look forward to all next generation consoles, as new things and competition are always welcome.

[Buggy166]

well ill just do the smart thing and not waste 1 or 2 grand on games for children and just use my current pc.. 3ghz and a 9800 radeon are fine for my games...

cutting edge stuff is cutting edge for 3 months...same with consoles... they might have 8963456 GHZ in power but theyre GPUs are as good or just slightly better than PC ones...and while pc users can upgrade..consoles cant..

not to mention outrageous prices for games.. $70+ tax? either ur parents have too much money or you won the lottery :cheesygri

[Raxel]

well ill just do the smart thing and not waste 1 or 2 grand on games for children and just use my current pc.. 3ghz and a 9800 radeon are fine for my games...

cutting edge stuff is cutting edge for 3 months...same with consoles... they might have 8963456 GHZ in power but theyre GPUs are as good or just slightly better than PC ones...and while pc users can upgrade..consoles cant..

not to mention outrageous prices for games.. $70+ tax? either ur parents have too much money or you won the lottery :cheesygri

So purchasing a 3G + 9800 Radeon is smarter than paying $300-$500 for a game console that has same or better video/audio quality?

outrageous prices for games? PC and console games' price are similiar, unless you belong to d/l and play users.

[divx]

pc upgrade costs more than console, because you need to upgrade at least once a year, while a console last 5 ~ 6 years, until the next gen console releases.

[wanted]

pc upgrade costs more than console, because you need to upgrade at least once a year, while a console last 5 ~ 6 years, until the next gen console releases.


more like 4-5, xb1 came out 2001, next version comes in 2005.
yep, that 5-6 for most but not in xbox cases, it would make sense 5-6.

[jerryhussain]

more like 4-5, xb1 came out 2001, next version comes in 2005.
yep, that 5-6 for most but not in xbox cases, it would make sense 5-6.
Remember Microsoft is rushing out the release of Xbox 360 to get a headstart like Sony did with the PS2, it may be different for the next-next gen consoles.

[Eternity]

http://pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120842,00.asp

http://pcworld.com/news/graphics/120775-n_051005_Xbox360.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

well ill just do the smart thing and not waste 1 or 2 grand on games for children and just use my current pc.. 3ghz and a 9800 radeon are fine for my games...

cutting edge stuff is cutting edge for 3 months...same with consoles... they might have 8963456 GHZ in power but theyre GPUs are as good or just slightly better than PC ones...and while pc users can upgrade..consoles cant..

not to mention outrageous prices for games.. $70+ tax? either ur parents have too much money or you won the lottery :cheesygri
I don't know what games you buy but I have never paid $70 for a game since the Super Nintendo days. Since the media went optical, the game prices have held pretty steady around the $59 or less pricetags. PC games are in that vicinity too. The only advantage I can see with PCs is that you can do many things with 'em. But since the 360 has the ability to support kb+mouse (hopefully the devs support these), then the complaint that consoles are horrible to control with FPS/strategy becomes moot plus since it's HDTV, then you get the standard resolution that PC gamers play at and on a bigger monitor/TV. I don't see PCs catching up until the multicore CPUs are in plentiful supply and even then, how much are you gonna spend upgrading it in a year's time for that fancy new videocard, new motherboard, different type of RAM, new CPU, etc.
If by kiddy games you mean GTA/Halo2, then I'm not sure what games you've played on consoles recently ...

[jerryhussain]

PS3 is being shown at a Press Conference right now.

[wanted]

PS3 is being shown at a Press Conference right now.


is any site streaming it? i know gamespot does, but i have to sign up and pay for live.
hope it's done quick, gamespot replays it. :-0

[wanted]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html


article from gamespot, posted 3:43 Pacific, press conference at 3pm....says is releasing 2006, also says it will use Blu-Ray.

[jerryhussain]

Updated first post with specs. Cell processor running at 3.2GHz can perform twice the floating point operations compared to Xbox 360 ? But no details on the GPU with only 256MB.

[Fantaz]

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/6128/87846717014910033tu.jpg

[numb555]

LOS ANGELES--Today saw the second of the big three console makers announce their next-generation platform. At its pre-E3 press conference, Sony Computer Entertainment gave the world its first look at the PlayStation 3, as it now is officially called.

The name was not unexpected, since Sony had been running an extensive teaser-ad campaign prepping the public for the PlayStation 3. The company had laid a blanket of posters around the Los Angeles Convention Center, site of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (aka E3). Bus stalls and billboards around the convention center proclaimed "Prepare for Chang3" in the distinctive PlayStation font with partial shots of the Dual Shock controller's square-circle-triangle-X buttons.

Sony also confirmed the PlayStation 3, will use Blu-Ray discs as its media format. The discs can hold up to six times as much data as current-generation DVDs. It will also supporrd CR-ROM, CDR+W, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R. It also confirmed the machine would be backwards compatible all the way to the original PlayStation.

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

The PlayStation 3 will also sport some hefty multimedia features, such as video chat, internet access, digital photo viewing, digital audio and video. Sony Computer Entertainment head Ken Kutaragi introduced it as a "Super computer for computer entertainment."

WOW!!!

[wanted]

nothing about wireless controllers? or wireless capabilities either.

[Sgt_Strider]

nothing about wireless controllers? or wireless capabilities either.

I think the gamespot article mentioned the support of bluetooth.

[Sgt_Strider]

I don't know what games you buy but I have never paid $70 for a game since the Super Nintendo days. Since the media went optical, the game prices have held pretty steady around the $59 or less pricetags. PC games are in that vicinity too. The only advantage I can see with PCs is that you can do many things with 'em. But since the 360 has the ability to support kb+mouse (hopefully the devs support these), then the complaint that consoles are horrible to control with FPS/strategy becomes moot plus since it's HDTV, then you get the standard resolution that PC gamers play at and on a bigger monitor/TV. I don't see PCs catching up until the multicore CPUs are in plentiful supply and even then, how much are you gonna spend upgrading it in a year's time for that fancy new videocard, new motherboard, different type of RAM, new CPU, etc.
If by kiddy games you mean GTA/Halo2, then I'm not sure what games you've played on consoles recently ...

lol I remember paying $91 CAD for Goldeneye after tax.

[numb555]

lol I remember paying $91 CAD for Goldeneye after tax.

Street Fighter 2 was $119 when i got it on the SNES, boy those were the days!

[jerryhussain]

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/6177/ps39pg.jpg

[JayPatel]

1080P Support!!

Holy Crap

[wanted]

wow, it looks big...and the font looks like the SPiderman writing :cheesygri
I like the multiple colors, specs seem decent. Is there going to be a marketplace interface similiar to x360, i'd love to know whats new.

[TheGame]

Here's a couple of more pictures:

http://www.jaygoland.com/anothercastle/ps3.jpg

http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570926_2.jpg

EDIT: same as below

[jerryhussain]

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/8141/ps3s9qc.jpg

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/563/ps3b3gz.jpg

[TheGame]

http://www.gamereactor.se/media/e32k5_24553.jpg

[numb555]

this would fit in well w/ my Bose Lifestyle! WOOHOOOOOOOOO!

[vibes]

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/8141/ps3s9qc.jpg

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/563/ps3b3gz.jpg


Looks like a Bose system, but pretty sleek.

[jimbojones]

I expected a better design from sony. The specs look awsome though. Looks like a slot loading drive and built in power supply, interesting...

[wpooh888]

PS3 will support 1080 progressive scan image . . Link (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614661p1.html)

[dvdvideo]

It's ugly.

Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.

I too use my xbox as a media center......it even has a web browser....

[sfu_lifer]

If Sony stayed with that design (looks HUGE), I don't think they'll match the PS2's sales. UGLY.
Looks like I know what my 2nd console is gonna be for the next gen :), I'm still getting the 360. With that architecture, it's gonna be a beast again to program for.
I want gameplay pics, darn it.

Hmm, that 2 HDMI outputs is VERY very interesting. Now price???
Release date is 2006 (I bet it's latter half of 2006).

[jerryhussain]

It's ugly.
You can say that again. Its been very poorly recieved so far.

[dvdvideo]

My first take on the specs is who were all the people saying the ps3 was going to be way more powerfull than the xbox 2? To me so far it looks weaker, especaily in cpu power..

[vibes]

From Engadget:

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for
redundancy
total floating point
performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU

RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read) System Floating Point Performance

2 TFLOPS

Storage

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller
Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)
AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

[vibes]

http://img97.echo.cx/img97/5632/ps341wf.jpg

One more to complete the 360 :lol:

[sfu_lifer]

LOL at the person at engadget who posted:
"This is Sony's exhale as opposed to the 360's inhale" mindset :)

[JayPatel]

square enix just showed off a tech demo of a final fantasy game.

getaway was shown and said to be amazing

GTA: Next is going to be a launch title.

[JayPatel]

So does it play blue ray high definition movie disks?

thats pretty much affirmative.

[jerryhussain]

Tidbits from the show so far:


GT5 has be announced.
MGS4 an exclusive title for PS3
Devil May Cry 4 an exclusive title for PS3
Final Fantasy VII tech demo for PS3 shown
Getaway sequel planned for PS3
PS3 will use Blu-Ray at 6x which is capable 324Mb/sec data transfer rate and will allow extremely fast load times
PlayStation P2P Online Service planned, details unknown.
"Amazing Surprise" promised at the end of the show
PS3 will sport dual HD outputs
Wireless Bluetooth Controllers, expected to last 24 hours on batteries.
PSP can be used as a "controller" for PS3.
Unreal 3 engine being demoed on the PS3.
Nvidia's GPU is twice as powerful as a 6800 Ultra.

[dvdvideo]

So does it play blue ray high definition movie disks?

[JayPatel]

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/866/050517i4cn.jpg

[JayPatel]

Devil May Cry 4 just announced as a PS3 Exclusive

edit... add Gran Turismo 5 too

Tidbits from the show so far:


MGS4 an exclusive title for PS3
Devil May Cry 4 an exclusive title for PS3
Final Fantasy VII tech demo for PS3 shown
Getaway sequel planned for PS3
PS3 will use Blu-Ray at 6x which is capable 324Mb/sec data transfer rate and will allow extremely fast load times
PlayStation P2P Online Service planned, details unknown.
"Amazing Surprise" promised at the end of the show
PS3 will sport dual HD outputs
Wireless Bluetooth Controllers, expected to last 24 hours on batteries.
PSP can be used as a "controller" for PS3.
Unreal 3 engine being demoed on the PS3.
Nvidia's GPU is twice as powerful as a 6800 Ultra.

[sfu_lifer]

So does it play blue ray high definition movie disks?
Not confirmed yet but it's almost a no-brainer that movies in blue ray discs will be supported. When those discs will even come out is a big guess (likely late 2006), I mean we haven't even seen consumer players yet and I think for most folks DVD has been "good enough."
Looks like Sony is waking up now and seeing their memory sticks only support is a failure in the making. Kudos to Sony. Now if only you had given the ****in PSP SD support. Jerks.
Twice as powerful as the 6800 ultra. I think these are the usual Sony boasts. Kutaragi is especially well-known for being a bald faced overhyper (3 generations in a row now). Sigh. Super computer is being thrown around again.
In terms of real world performance specs wise, I'm not blown away yet. MS made the 360 extremely easy to program for (relatively speaking). I think that's what's gonna get the 360 some more market share from Sony especially in the beginning.
Say, I haven't seen anything in there yet regarding the HD being built in standard to the unit. Sounds like an expensive option.
That controller looks weird. Seems comfy though.

[vibes]

http://www.gamingnexus.com/Screenshots/Article/98/4.jpg

Please tell me this is not the controller...

[wpooh888]

a clip from Fight Night 3 for the PS3 . . .

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614699/ea-sports-fight-night-round-3-20050516050446674.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

a clip from Fight Night 3 for the PS3 . . . Link (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748455/img_2786162.html)
Damn, IGN. Is this what I paid you money for Insider? Non workable links from your overloaded server?
I hope that's not another Madden-like FMV pic they're claiming is realtime gameplay.

[Cryptic_Soul]

http://img157.echo.cx/img157/6478/contr1up.jpg
NO way...that controller is UGLY

[jerryhussain]

In terms of design:

Xbox 360 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>* PS3

So far the only thing I'm attracted to PS3 is because of 1080p res & Blu-ray.

[vibes]

Any ideas why it supports 7 controllers, instead of a round number like say 8? Any link to the 7 SPE's?

[sfu_lifer]

Hey a single PS3 is now #87 on the Top500 Supercomputers list in the world if you believe the BS that Sony is putting out right now. :lol:

[JayPatel]

tekken 6 and Killzone shown

[StrayB]

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/866/050517i4cn.jpg

Oh dear God, no!!!

[JayPatel]

E3 2005: Final Fantasy VII PS3
Guess what?
by Ivan Sulic

May 16, 2005 - At the Sony E3 2005 press conference Square-Enix just showed a Final Fantasy VII trailer running on PS3.

The demo depicted the introduction sequence to the original Final Fantasy VII, but was titled "Technical Demo for PS3." This means that it may or may not turn into an actual game. The PS3 can finally deliver Final Fantasy the way it was meant to be delivered -- just like the CG cutscenes.

The demonstration was a complete recreation of the beginning to Final Fantasy VII using some "awesome, awesome" graphics. It's an exact duplicate of the original game. It could even be a full recreation.

UPDATE: There will not be a Final Fantasy VII remake for PS3. Repeat, there will not be a remake. But, there will be a new Final Fantasy game. We'll have info on that as it happens.
Related Links

[jerryhussain]

Hey a single PS3 is now #87 on the Top500 Supercomputers list in the world if you believe the BS that Sony is putting out right now. :lol:
Sony's BS like always ..
You can't use double precision measurements on one system (Xbox) and single precision on another (PS3)

[ryan123]

* It will support Blu-ray (obviously), DVD±R/W, CD-R/RW
* Backwards compatible with the PlayStation 2 and original Playstation
* One 3.2GHz Cell processor—total system performance rated at 2.18 teraflops (we’re looking into this); it will have 256MB system RAM 3.2GHz, and 256MB GDDR VRAM at 700MHz
* The nVidia graphics will be called the RSX (�Reality Synthesizer�), and will trump the Xbox 360 with 1080p (yes, that’s a p (progressive scan)) graphics support.
* Memory Stick Duo slot, and very surprisingly, an SD and CF slots
* Bluetooth support with up to seven wireless controllers
* Six USB system ports

wtf 1080p...
who has that kind of tv? millionares?

[JayPatel]

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/joaomgcd/devilmaycry.jpg
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/joaomgcd/warhawk.jpg

[jerryhussain]

Just in !!!

It will also double up as bbq grill:
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/5960/ps3bbq4ao.jpg

and a fridge:
http://img182.echo.cx/img182/7089/ref5cf.jpg

Can your Xbox 360 top that ?

/SONY HYPE MACHINE

[sfu_lifer]

Oh dear God, no!!!
Yep my sentiments too. That looks an awful lot like an old INtel PC wireless controller that I still have kicking around useless around here :)

[JayPatel]

http://img146.echo.cx/img146/9792/killzone012bw5ky.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img146.echo.cx/img146/5374/killzone027kt6cr.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img146.echo.cx/img146/4508/kz6gj.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[sfu_lifer]

[QUOTE=JayPatel]http://img146.echo.cx/img146/9792/killzone012bw5ky.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img146.echo.cx/img146/5374/killzone027kt6cr.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
Now THAT's pretty weak for something purported to be double the Xbox 360's FPU. Looks like a PC game.
Something wrong with the shaders? The cloth looks a bit weird.

[ryan123]

y are u guys posting the cinematic videos' screenshot...
we need some in game screenshots

[vibes]

* It will support Blu-ray (obviously), DVD±R/W, CD-R/RW
* Backwards compatible with the PlayStation 2 and original Playstation
* One 3.2GHz Cell processor—total system performance rated at 2.18 teraflops (we’re looking into this); it will have 256MB system RAM 3.2GHz, and 256MB GDDR VRAM at 700MHz
* The nVidia graphics will be called the RSX (�Reality Synthesizer�), and will trump the Xbox 360 with 1080p (yes, that’s a p (progressive scan)) graphics support.
* Memory Stick Duo slot, and very surprisingly, an SD and CF slots
* Bluetooth support with up to seven wireless controllers
* Six USB system ports

wtf 1080p...
who has that kind of tv? millionares?

Don't need a million, but $5,000US will get you a nice 56" Samsung DLP pedestal tv that does 1080P: link (http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESdisplays/SamsungHLR5688W1080pDLP.php)

At least they are designing for the future...

[JayPatel]

Just for comparisons sake

Microsoft XBOX360 GPU = 48 billion shader ops and 9 billion dot product per second

Sony Playstation3 GPU = 100 billion shader ops and 51 billion dot product per second

based on the announced numbers its safe to say ATI/MS Owned.

[JayPatel]

y are u guys posting the cinematic videos' screenshot...
we need some in game screenshots

because its whats been released so far. Patience

[c h u d]

The controller could be handy because, like a boomerang, if it gets tossed in frustration it will just circle around the room and land back in your hand:P

[JayPatel]

im excited about warhawk. that was an awesome game on the PS1

Apparently imsomniac (Ratchet and Clank devs) showed off a super gory first person shooter similar to Wolfenstien

[x-batman]

Just for comparisons sake

Microsoft XBOX360 GPU = 48 billion shader ops and 9 billion dot product per second

Sony Playstation3 GPU = 100 billion shader ops and 51 billion dot product per second

based on the announced numbers its safe to say ATI/MS Owned.

well, we'll see based on when it comes out, you remember the ps2 talk before it came out dont you....

[P__S__2]

Omg i peed my pants. Peterbrowne i need a replacement.

[BoxsterS]

Let the disappointment commence.

[wanted]

The controller makes me want to cry !!!! eeew!!!!!
grafx/cinematics dont look so stunning....maybe devs finally learned..gameplay over visuals lol

[JayPatel]

Not sure what this is
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/I8_01.jpg
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/I8_02.jpg
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/I8_03.jpg

Eyedentify
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/EYEDENTIFY_01.jpg
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/EYEDENTIFY_02.jpg
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/EYEDENTIFY_03.jpg

[wanted]

ok, i w/d my comment, that looks amazing!

[JayPatel]

http://zombieculture.com/img/Tekken_03.jpg
http://zombieculture.com/img/Tekken_01.jpg
http://zombieculture.com/img/PS3withconroller.jpg

[P__S__2]

ever more pee...those look :D amazing.

[P__S__2]

the 3rd last pics looks like maybe a new FINAL FANTASY?

[JayPatel]

microsoft is doing their press conference right about now i think. hope they bring out some of the big guns.. the PS3 showing today is impressive to say the least.

[JayPatel]

the 3rd last pics looks like maybe a new FINAL FANTASY?

no, its called eyedentify. its a game using the eyetoy peripheral

[jerryhussain]

Let the disappointment commence.
lol

Seriously whats wrong with Sony's designers. :?

[P__S__2]

^ooh alrite..i didnt see that there....

[numb555]

Great showing by Sony, definitely be getting one on launch.

But i what puzzle me is why do we need so many inputs? CF, SD, MS, 2 Ethernet, 6 USB ?

Even my computer doesn't have that many inputs.

[Fantaz]

Keep it coming JayPatel!! :D

[wanted]

you can see the struggle on his face :twisted:

[jerryhussain]

Looks like PS3 is bigger in size than the original Xbox:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050517/capt.ksd10105170114.video_game_expo_ksd101.jpg

[wanted]

you can see the struggle on his face :twisted:


how did i predict that :lol:

[sonick]

lol, remember the hype with the PS2, how supposedly saddam hussein bought a bunch of them to use the CPU's to control nuclear missiles... :lol:

[JayPatel]

gamespot is now streaming the PS3 conference. Not sure if its for Gamespot Complete members only. Will let you know in a bit

[JayPatel]

mms://a1234.m.akastream.net/7/1234/5372/1/gamespot.download.akamai.com/5372/netshow/gslive/2005/05/2stream_sonypress_e305_hi.wmv

[jerryhussain]

gamespot is now streaming the PS3 conference. Not sure if its for Gamespot Complete members only. Will let you know in a bit
I'm watching it right now and I'm not a member.

[Super strokey]

Now i wonder what revolution is going to need to do to even keep up...

[JayPatel]

I'm watching it right now and I'm not a member.

use the direct link i posted. much better sound and video

[JayPatel]

Now i wonder what revolution is going to need to do to even keep up...

nintendo's started some countdown on their webpage. their conference is tomorrow morning at 9am

[Super strokey]

nintendo's started some countdown on their webpage. their conference is tomorrow morning at 9am

what would i do with out you! :)

[_pOtEnZa_]

omg that controller is f00cking ugly

[Fantaz]

use the direct link i posted. much better sound and video
Same quality video. Pretty good though

[jerryhussain]

what would i do with out you! :)
hehe Jay's the man when it comes to games/game consoles. :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

Wow. The GPU sounds impressive in terms of theoretical performance.
Let's see how they do harness it. I'm still seeing some harsh edges in the screens JP posted. I want Toy Story curves, darnit. If those Tekken shots were rendered realtime, color me impressed. But then again anyone remember those final fantasy old guy head shots from before? We saw nothing like that on the PS2.
If they launch this at the same price MS is, I'll be very impressed. I'm buying one at some point regardless but so far I'm unimpressed. And that PS3 looks HUGE.

[jerryhussain]

Wow. The GPU sounds impressive in terms of theoretical performance.
Let's see how they do harness it. I'm still seeing some harsh edges in the screens JP posted. I want Toy Story curves, darnit.
Toy Story 2 graphics is old, now we have "Movie Quality Graphics" :cheesygri

The console is so ugly that I'm willing to put a sack on it and game, but I will still be holding the ugly controller. I just hope its comfy or else, they better redesign the controller atleast. They still have more than a year. I bet the Xbox 360 will be at a $200-$250 pricepoint by the time PS3 is out.

Bring on Nintendo. :)

[Jump]

mms://a1234.m.akastream.net/7/1234/5372/1/gamespot.download.akamai.com/5372/netshow/gslive/2005/05/2stream_sonypress_e305_hi.wmv

If anyone's interested in seeing Squeenix's Final Fantasy VII 'Technical Demo' then you can fast-forward to 01:21:00 in the link above. Too bad the dude says they have no plans to make a FF7 remake from it.

The PS3 is so damned ugly... and the controllers are horrid. They should've stuck with the PS1/2 controllers. Why reinvent the wheel? Sony knew they had a good controller which is why they kept it the same design with PS2. But I'm betting a lot of making a new design is probably cause Sony had the lawsuit against them a few months back because of the dual-shock.

I'm sold on the PS3. I don't care if it looks like a microwave but so far it's got the games. Did anyone see that chick with the sword game near the end of the video? It's like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on steroids.

[jerryhussain]

I still cant accept the fact that Sony came up with this:

http://yakaledo.net/images/ps304.jpg

[vonteego]

If anyone's interested in seeing Squeenix's Final Fantasy VII 'Technical Demo' then you can fast-forward to 01:21:00 in the link above. Too bad the dude says they have no plans to make a FF7 remake from it.

The PS3 is so damned ugly... and the controllers are horrid. They should've stuck with the PS1/2 controllers. Why reinvent the wheel? Sony knew they had a good controller which is why they kept it the same design with PS2. But I'm betting a lot of making a new design is probably cause Sony had the lawsuit against them a few months back because of the dual-shock.

I'm sold on the PS3. I don't care if it looks like a microwave but so far it's got the games. Did anyone see that chick with the sword game near the end of the video? It's like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on steroids.

Dear lordy that vid was amazing towards the end. The system itself is not attractive, but the GAMES, oh the GAMES! Playing those games on my PS3 boomerang controllers will be incredible.

Killzone was crazy frantic, simply amazing.

And with GT5, Metal Gear, and Devil May Cry exclusives, looks like Sony knows exactly what they're doing. They better, seeing as how dependent the company is on the Playstation franchise as a whole.

[Super strokey]

i dont think its that bad too look at, but crocodile dundee seems to have dropped something off at sony. Either way the games look incredible impressive. ALso i highly doubt that the xbox will be 200-250 bucks by ps3 release, MS apparantly actually wants to make a profit this time around.

[Super strokey]

Dear lordy that vid was amazing towards the end. The system itself is not attractive, but the GAMES, oh the GAMES! Playing those games on my PS3 boomerang controllers will be incredible.

Killzone was crazy frantic, simply amazing.

And with GT5, Metal Gear, and Devil May Cry exclusives, looks like Sony knows exactly what they're doing. They better, seeing as how dependent the company is on the Playstation franchise as a whole.


Is sony really that dependant on the PS? I thought it was like just a few%

[sfu_lifer]

Dear lordy that vid was amazing towards the end. The system itself is not attractive, but the GAMES, oh the GAMES! Playing those games on my PS3 boomerang controllers will be incredible.

Killzone was crazy frantic, simply amazing.

And with GT5, Metal Gear, and Devil May Cry exclusives, looks like Sony knows exactly what they're doing. They better, seeing as how dependent the company is on the Playstation franchise as a whole.
Remember the videos and demos when they launched the PS2. Don't get your hopes way up. Same with Microsoft and Nintendo. It takes time to make games that look like movies ;)

[sfu_lifer]

Is sony really that dependant on the PS? I thought it was like just a few%
The lion's share of their profit is from the Playstation brand. The PSP took a chunk out of it for this year since they're taking a loss on that one (for now). But they are VERY dependent on their Playstation division.

[Fobulous]

it looks a lot like the LG DVD players, and the PS3 sign looks like the text from Spiderman 2.

Can't wait to see this machine perform! Unlikely to buy it tho... I'm an XBOX gamer.

[Fantaz]

Hopefully they will listen to everyone and change the design.

[ZeeTX]

Hopefully they will listen to everyone and change the design.
I don't think thats going to happen.. :rolleyes:

[Headhunter]

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I'm not reading 9 pages of chat.

The HD-DVD/Blu-Ray groups have agreed to form a united standard; it's likely that the PS3 will use that instead of regular Blu-Ray to ensure next-gen DVD compatibility.

[vibes]

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I'm not reading 9 pages of chat.

The HD-DVD/Blu-Ray groups have agreed to form a united standard; it's likely that the PS3 will use that instead of regular Blu-Ray to ensure next-gen DVD compatibility.


It's on and off (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000870043466/) depending on which day of teh week it is. It will be an uphill battle to unite the two, and better for us consumers.

[Sheky]

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I'm not reading 9 pages of chat.

The HD-DVD/Blu-Ray groups have agreed to form a united standard; it's likely that the PS3 will use that instead of regular Blu-Ray to ensure next-gen DVD compatibility.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23256

They haven't sealed the deal yet.

Quick change in topic, can anyone confirm whether that Killzone 2 footage is real time?

[sleepyguy]

Killzone 2 looks ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! Can't wait! 2006 is gonna be the damn year of the consoles! :)

[JayPatel]

after seeing this and then comparing it to the XBOX360, im going to make a bold prediction and say that MS is going to lose another generation of video gaming. being first isnt always the best. Sony and Nvidia have put together a hell of a system

[Fantaz]

There's tons of PS3 trailers on the IGN forums. (Notice "E3 2005: " in front of topics.) For some reason they haven't been linked yet on the main site.

http://boards.ign.com/PS3_General_Board_/b8267

[JayPatel]

There's tons of PS3 trailers on the IGN forums. (Notice "E3 2005: " in front of topics.) For some reason they haven't been linked yet on the main site.

http://boards.ign.com/PS3_General_Board_/b8267

IGN Insider members only can view the thread

[vibes]

it's weird that this time around MS is the one with seemingly inferior hardware specs but launching earlier than Sony. Seems like a reversal of teh last gen, only time will tell who will win the battle this go around.

[JayPatel]

E3 2005: PS3 to Output 1080p Standard
An HD revolution.
by Ivan Sulic

May 16, 2005 - Among one hundred billion other bits of technical information, we recently learned that the PlayStation 3 will be capable of outputting a 1080 progressive scan image.

Very few pieces of media currently support 1080 progressive scan display. For reference, Apple recently announced that it would release new movie trailers in 1080p format, provided gamers used their new Quicktime application. Additionally, a couple of movies (namely Terminator 2) support 1080p.

While a lot of televisions do not currently support the ultra high-end format, it's great to see Sony looking way into the future for its next system.

UPDATE - 6:22PM - We have just been updated by our away team at the SCEA conference that not only will 1080p be supported by the system, but that this is considered the standard resolution for the system. Every game for the system will be in incredible, indelible, indubitable HD.

Nobody at IGN even owns a TV that can do 1080p, but that's the system's goal - to give HDTV a killer app piece of hardware that people will no longer be able to live without. Get your wallet ready...

I see jaggies!!!!
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20050516073451233.jpg

[Fantaz]

IGN's got most of the PS3 trailers put up now!!

http://www.ign.com/e3/2005/videos

Just don't watch them all at once. ;)

[doraemi]

i remember ppl used to tell me they used to use their ps2 as a table to hold their microwave food

with this new designed, there's no more flat surface to put their food anymore

[guest10586]

Tidbits from the show so far:


GT5 has be announced.
MGS4 an exclusive title for PS3
Devil May Cry 4 an exclusive title for PS3
Final Fantasy VII tech demo for PS3 shown
Getaway sequel planned for PS3
PS3 will use Blu-Ray at 6x which is capable 324Mb/sec data transfer rate and will allow extremely fast load times
PlayStation P2P Online Service planned, details unknown.
"Amazing Surprise" promised at the end of the show
PS3 will sport dual HD outputs
Wireless Bluetooth Controllers, expected to last 24 hours on batteries.
PSP can be used as a "controller" for PS3.
Unreal 3 engine being demoed on the PS3.
Nvidia's GPU is twice as powerful as a 6800 Ultra.

I admit, I am a sony fanboy after ps1. I loved SNES then and they screwed it up with N64 and their supposed drives. If I had waited for them they would just have started using CDs as formats now.

PS3 standing up looks nice, lying down...kind of crappy. The controller doesn't look that good if you ask me. PS2 controller owns basically every controller ever made so I guess it was basically impossible to top.

With their lineup PS3 has jumped the gun and is running wild. If they get square enix exclusive games you can basically predict a repeat of the PS2/Xbox/GC generation. You don't even need to talk about hardware power in comparison to Xbox360/Nintendo Rev, they are already beat.

What is Xbox's best game in its starting lineup? Perfect Dark? ...They better be nearly done Halo 3...that's all I have to say...

[JayPatel]

whats awesome is that games can be designed to use the dual hdmi outputs.

* have a game running at 32*9 aspect ratio
* use it like the DS with dual screens
* use the second output for multitasking

the cell processor truly is an impressive piece of engineering.

[sfu_lifer]

I have't seen one single gameplay shot there out of the impressive looking "games". If Killzone 2 looks like that next year, I'll be the first to eat crow.
Development for games is easily gonna double based on the art they are showing. Basically you're making a game out of your FMV materials. That's hella expensive. Sigh. I don't doubt we'll be looking at $70 games again :(

The dual HDMI is sweet. I doubt I'm ever gonna take advantage of that but it's a nice option to have.

[guest10586]

I have't seen one single gameplay shot there out of the impressive looking "games". If Killzone 2 looks like that next year, I'll be the first to eat crow.
Development for games is easily gonna double based on the art they are showing. Basically you're making a game out of your FMV materials. That's hella expensive. Sigh. I don't doubt we'll be looking at $70 games again :(

The dual HDMI is sweet. I doubt I'm ever gonna take advantage of that but it's a nice option to have.


If you worry about price point so much then there is no point in buying video games...100% of what you spend it on is entertainment, other then a bit of enjoyment and fullfillment you get nothing back in return.

I probably won't get the ps3 at launch. I always wait a few years and just get the console which has the most games I want. $500 for a ps2 or Xbox...now $500 door stoppers in the next 2-3 years.

[plisk3n]

Damn sweet!!! Cancel your Xbox 360 preorders, it's all over!

[DJXP]

LOL, i had all 3 and play games on pc. Rule of thumb for buying consoles is to buy the console with the games you like. Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.

i use my xbox for playing my movies and tv shows, and my ps2 for games once in a while. so there is an exception to the rule of thumb :)
i never play games on my pc anymore I need a 61" screen to play on :D

[sfu_lifer]

If you worry about price point so much then there is no point in buying video games...100% of what you spend it on is entertainment, other then a bit of enjoyment and fullfillment you get nothing back in return.

I probably won't get the ps3 at launch. I always wait a few years and just get the console which has the most games I want. $500 for a ps2 or Xbox...now $500 door stoppers in the next 2-3 years.
Don't we all want to maximize our entertainment dollars? I wouldn't be on RFD otherwise :D

[guest10586]

What is the price for this monster? I expect in the $500 range...it seems completely crazy...I mean, what can't you plug into this?

4 USB ports...man, I hope I can jam my mouse and keyboard in there and play some online RTS and FPS...so I can toss my PC. It will have everything I want, movies, games, internet...

[jerryhussain]

after seeing this and then comparing it to the XBOX360, im going to make a bold prediction and say that MS is going to lose another generation of video gaming. being first isnt always the best. Sony and Nvidia have put together a hell of a system
Well MS may not be a universal winner, but this time round they might manage a bigger market share atleast in NA.

But by 2010, Xbox 360 would grab the lead with 38 percent of the market, followed by Sony with 32 percent and Nintendo with 22 percent, Jupiter forecasts.

I see jaggies!!!!
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20050516073451233.jpg
Thats what I was wondering as well. The 360 has 10MB eDRAM dedicated for anti-aliasing, no such thing on the PS3 :confused:

[jerryhussain]

What is the price for this monster? I expect in the $500 range...it seems completely crazy...I mean, what can't you plug into this?
Probably close to $500 and that would be the base model. Blu-ray goodness will come at a cost. :|

[Desibabu3k]

I'm surprised so many people find the ps3 ugly, it basically looks like a sleeker version of the ps2. The controller on the other hand :confused:. The tech demos were very impressive, but its hard to judge if they were in game or not.

[sk8]

WOW, Killzone is wicked *****!

[RedLightning]

god f**king damn it...

WHY DIDN'T THEY FIX THE STUPID FRIGGIN D-PAD ON THE CONTROLLER?!?! THE SONY D-PAD DESIGN IS HORRIBLE AND HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS!!

[MrDisco]

thats one ugly/boring console

[evilserge]

omfg, that console is fugly

[sleepyguy]

someone mentioned a very good point here... these could all just be FMV "smoke and mirrors" to hype the PS3. I must say in terms of 'hype' though... PS3 is killing XBOX360... they didn't even have to show any other games as far as I'm concerned... just show Killzone2. Halo3 vs Killzone2... who wins? :)

[jerryhussain]

someone mentioned a very good point here... these could all just be FMV "smoke and mirrors" to hype the PS3. I must say in terms of 'hype' though... PS3 is killing XBOX360... they didn't even have to show any other games as far as I'm concerned... just show Killzone2. Halo3 vs Killzone2... who wins? :)
AFAIK, nobody has seen Halo3. So the comparision is moot, atleast for now. :lol:

[Dymis]

The water tech demo was enough to make me want to get one. If you haven't seen it

- duck swimming in a tub with CRAZY water physics
- add two battleships which fight it out and show sail damage (which was kind of weak)
- add tons of duckies to flood the tub
- the eyetoy with the cups...... holy jesus! Using two real cups, he was able to scoop water into the cups and play with the water (pouring it from one to another, scoop more from the tub, throwing the water away)

To me, it looks like a rounded PS2.... but that sure looked pretty big. Exclusives made up my mind (Devil May Cry is what got me to buy PS2).

If Heavenly Sword plays anything like that video looks, I'm 110% sold.

[Carnage]

AFAIK, nobody has seen Halo3. So the comparision is moot, atleast for now. :lol:

Halo3 will most likely be a 2nd gen Xbox360 title, or at least a late 1st gen.

Probably works out good for it, lets it wait a bit until the developers have starting to figure how to get the most out of the system.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not interested in all the proven franchises as much as I'm looking forward to the unknowns.

I'm looking forward to new and original games.

[Homer88]

Halo3 will most likely be a 2nd gen Xbox360 title, or at least a late 1st gen.

Probably works out good for it, lets it wait a bit until the developers have starting to figure how to get the most out of the system.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not interested in all the proven franchises as much as I'm looking forward to the unknowns.

I'm looking forward to new and original games.
It'd be fun if we see the PS3 emulate Halo3 someday :O

[Carnage]

It'd be fun if we see the PS3 emulate Halo3 someday :O

Yes, but HAlo3 without Xbox live just isn't the same. Just like Halo2 would have been a huge failure if not for xbox live.

Seems Halo3 is all but confirmed to be launching near the same time as PS3.

Link (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/15/news_6124592.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6124592)

[warpdrive]

I'm always amused that people are so concerned with the looks of the console. It's the hardware and software that make the console. I could really care less how it looks as long as the thing doesn't sound like a jetplane and doesn't take up my whole table.

[jerryhussain]

I could really care less how it looks as long as the thing doesn't sound like a jetplane and doesn't take up my whole table.
You contradict yourself. I'm going to put a bag over the PS3, shove it inside the cabinets when I get it.

[SAS-1]

someone mentioned a very good point here... these could all just be FMV "smoke and mirrors" to hype the PS3. I must say in terms of 'hype' though... PS3 is killing XBOX360... they didn't even have to show any other games as far as I'm concerned... just show Killzone2. Halo3 vs Killzone2... who wins? :)


I feel the same about the PS3. I want to see actual gameplay footage. I have doubts that the Killzone was actual gameplay footage.

[Carnage]

I feel the same about the PS3. I want to see actual gameplay footage. I have doubts that the Killzone was actual gameplay footage.

Kind of last years E3 where Sony had peopel holding mock up PSPs that were just playing movies. Made it look like people were playing games.

[P__S__2]

**cough cough*** pc engine duo..classic. ps3 looks like it lol


http://img194.echo.cx/img194/39/duor019dn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[StrayB]

**cough cough*** pc engine duo..classic. ps3 looks like it lol


http://img194.echo.cx/img194/39/duor019dn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

And the PS2 looks like the Atari Microbox:
http://individual.utoronto.ca/skt/39933-1.jpg
Go Sony!

[jerryhussain]

PS3 is almost like the original Xbox:
http://img274.echo.cx/img274/5697/xbox3607of.jpg

PS3 Dimensions: 13.5" x 3.25"

Here is an article by IGN:

PlayStation 3 vs Xbox 360 (http://gear.ign.com/articles/614/614837p1.html)

Whats the difference between 1080p & 1080i.

[poppa]

1080p could be the future standard in hd (but we're talking many many years). Instead of interlace, you get all lines of resolution.

[Justin]

The ps3 controller looks ********

[sonick]

1080p could be the future standard in hd (but we're talking many many years). Instead of interlace, you get all lines of resolution.
Whats the difference between 1080p & 1080i.
1080p is for digital display devices... since they are not capable of displaying interlaced signals like CRT displays, if a digital display device (LCD, DLP, etc) is to display 1080i (showing half of the lines each frame, and the other half in the other frame), it would have to be 1080p (showing all lines of resolution in a single frame) because it cant do interlaced.

to clarify... think of a CRT's ray... itll flash on the tube half the lines per frame, and the other half the next frame... now think about LCD and DLP. They dont have refresh rates, its a solid static image, thus there is no 'scanning' on a tube, the pixels are either ON, or OFF... thus, to show HD resolution at 1080i, they show all 1080 lines per frame... 1080p is just a signal that is already progressive scanned, rather than having the display device convert Interlaced to Progressive.

[P__S__2]

lmao at the ps2 lookin like atari microbox.

[sonick]

just watched the GT5 gameplay video... low res, didnt see anythign too clear, but one thing i noticed... what was with the repeating textures? esp on the grass beside the track... man Forza Motorsport looked better in terms of having less repeating textures than that...

[rdtx2002]

nice to see the xbox 360 fanboys in here..

and funny how the thread maker calls it 'hype machine'... when the PS3 literally kills the 360 in FPU calculations ;)

[Dymis]

Was that Killzone trailer actual gameplay? It sure SEEMED like it...... I wonder how Halo can compare graphically....

[Marlek]

nice to see the xbox 360 fanboys in here..

and funny how the thread maker calls it 'hype machine'... when the PS3 literally kills the 360 in FPU calculations ;)

Until you see the actual gameplay performance on final hardware it's all hype on both sides.

I hate all the negativity associated with new console releases. Honestly, I hope they're both GREAT, and I will likely end up buying the Xbox 360 AND PS3 both based on what I'm hearing.

Lets not forget, all this competition is great for consumers.

[ryan123]

whos gonna have 2 16:9 hdtv supporting 1080p...
32:9....
kill zone video is cg

[sonick]

nice to see the xbox 360 fanboys in here..

and funny how the thread maker calls it 'hype machine'... when the PS3 literally kills the 360 in FPU calculations ;)
just remember all the hype surrounding the PS2 and its 'supercomputer' processor:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_148960.html

[joshmxpx]

Until you see the actual gameplay performance on final hardware it's all hype on both sides.

I hate all the negativity associated with new console releases. Honestly, I hope they're both GREAT, and I will likely end up buying the Xbox 360 AND PS3 both based on what I'm hearing.

Lets not forget, all this competition is great for consumers.


i agree man, all the different fanboys dissing the opposite systems. just wait until they are actually launched, and we can play some games, then you can start the criticizing and dissing.

ps. 360 is gonna kill ps3 :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

i agree man, all the different fanboys dissing the opposite systems. just wait until they are actually launched, and we can play some games, then you can start the criticizing and dissing.

ps. 360 is gonna kill ps3 :cheesygri
Did u see the "trailer" for FFXI? Yikes. PC port all the way. The Xbox can do the game justice, I wonder why they even put it to 360 other than to convince gamers to upgrade. What I want to see are the concepts for the other games. It's weird, Sony owns like 8% of Square Enix and they're putting a game for the competition :)

[Majinvegeta]

well, as for me im going to be sticking with ps3 i think.

Ive checked the specs and compared the consoles, not only is PS3 really powerful..but I think the games that are going to be released will also be just as good. Games like more Final Fantasy releases, tekken, gran turismo, devil may cry and so on...

Ive seen Killzone 2 and WOW, the demo looks awesome!! I just hope they fix up the gameplay cuz it really sucked. I had such a hard time aiming in that thing compared to Halo which was much easier to play.

[Kakashi]

just watched the GT5 gameplay video... low res, didnt see anythign too clear, but one thing i noticed... what was with the repeating textures? esp on the grass beside the track... man Forza Motorsport looked better in terms of having less repeating textures than that...
That wasn't GT5. It was more like "GT4.5" running on PS3 hardware. The only visual difference was the full race grid and pit area. In fact, if you look at the screenshots of the pitcrew you can see it still says "Gran Turismo 4" on their chest.

[jerryhussain]

and funny how the thread maker calls it 'hype machine'... when the PS3 literally kills the 360 in FPU calculations ;)
So you get upset when I call the Hype Machine what it is ? Maybe you are a fanboy from the Sony camp :razz:

None of the videos shown at Sony's Press Conference were real-time demos running on the PS3. I'm also starting to doubt that the KillZone video was actual gameplay because there was no visible HUD. Sony promised a lot with the PS2 and never delivered it, just dont want to commit the same mistake again.

I'm curious at what all consoles have to offer (otherwise I wouldnt have started this thread) and will choose what I like the best. Floating point calculations can lick my ***.

[Fantaz]

http://www.nathanweller.com/g4/ps3controller2.jpg

[Carnage]

Just imagine if that pic was real. The controller would be the size of your forearm.

And people complained about the size of the original xbox controller. ;)

Edit: RFD is really messing up, Jerry's post was here before mine. :mad:

[jerryhussain]

^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fantaz]

http://www.nathanweller.com/g4/ps3controller3.jpg

[Majinvegeta]

So you get upset when I call the Hype Machine what it is ? Maybe you are a fanboy from the Sony camp :razz:

None of the videos shown at Sony's Press Conference were real-time demos running on the PS3. I'm also starting to doubt that the KillZone video was actual gameplay because there was no visible HUD. Sony promised a lot with the PS2 and never delivered it, just dont want to commit the same mistake again.

I'm curious at what all consoles have to offer (otherwise I wouldnt have started this thread) and will choose what I like the best. Floating point calculations can lick my ***.

Interesting...

well obviously im not ready to make a decision yet, im gunna wait for in-game shots, I thought the pics that gamespot had taken and those videos WERE in-game.

Although some games that I have seen, I can see boxes...not clearly but if you look closely you will spot some boxyness at times. IMO that kinda proves that the gfx will be that good.

But I will wait.

OMG :-0 fantaz that kid has a real ps3!!!! omg omg omg

[Carnage]

Although some games that I have seen, I can see boxes...not clearly but if you look closely you will spot some boxyness at times. IMO that kinda proves that the gfx will be that good.


Sorry? You saw some "boxyness" in a rendered picture, and that proves that the gfx will be good?? :confused:

Or am I just mis-understanding you? ;)

[BoxsterS]

For those wondering - Yes, the slides shown during the PS3 introduction were rendered by the PS3 in realtime.

[Emancipated]

Killzone looked scarily ethereal. I got a sense of how heavy the weapon was and the kickback of the weapon was communicated back to me.

One note on the game with a WWII feel; it looked like a movie because of the realworld physics. Meaning, the remnants of an explosion actually behave like it would in real life. The debris lingers in the air does so much for the experience, wow. Simply wow.

I_cannot_wait_!

[Carnage]

Killzone looked scarily ethereal. I got a sense of how heavy the weapon was and the kickback of the weapon was communicated back to me.


Yeah, that video looked really cool.

Though i'd be interested in exactly what that video was of. I doubt that is a fully playable game right now. probably just mocked up to makea video.

The Halo2 E3 video a couple years ago was kind of like that. It looked like it was a finished product, but it was really nothing more then a demo, wasn't a playable game at that point.

[BoxsterS]

Killzone looked scarily ethereal. I got a sense of how heavy the weapon was and the kickback of the weapon was communicated back to me.

One note on the game with a WWII feel; it looked like a movie because of the realworld physics. Meaning, the remnants of an explosion actually behave like it would in real life. The debris lingers in the air does so much for the experience, wow. Simply wow.

I_cannot_wait_!

It's amazing what they can do with CG graphics nowadays isn't it? And yes, the Killzone demo was CG rendered as were the majority of games Sony showed. It's an impressive machine with remarkable specifications, but they really need to show what it can do without the need for a render farm.

[numb555]

I love it when all the XBOX fanboys come out to diminish the PS3 showing at E3. Maybe the renders were pre-rendered, but it does show the capability of the machine. For example when they showed the Duck Demo for the PS2 that was a demo of what the system is capable of and in the end the graphics for the PS3 was much better than that demo in games like MGS3, GT4, and GOW. The duck demo on the PS3 looked on par w/ the rest of what they were showing at E3 and i'm sure games can be very close if not surpass it later onto the generation.

Unreal Engine 3 was definitely in real time and that looked amazing, Ohh ye and also on G4tv.com they have just confirmed Killzone2 was indeed in real time.

I don't know why there are so bashers on this thread! I guess all the Fanboys are threatened!

[Carnage]

I don't know why there are so bashers on this thread! I guess all the Fanboys are threatened!

It's not bashing by fanboys. It's just true that those videos are not real game footage.

I personally can't wait for both systems. But I also realize that the majority of the time E3 is not where real game footage is shown, especially for games in development.

[BoxsterS]

Maybe the renders were pre-rendered, but it does show the capability of the machine

He rendered a Yogi-ism and he didn't even know it.

[cmge]

Unreal Engine 3 was definitely in real time and that looked amazing, Ohh ye and also on G4tv.com they have just confirmed Killzone2 was indeed in real time.

I don't know why there are so bashers on this thread! I guess all the Fanboys are threatened!
:eek: wowow.. amazing... seeing Killzone blew me away... and the fact that its real time.... WOWOW

[jerryhussain]

Unreal Engine 3 was definitely in real time and that looked amazing, Ohh ye and also on G4tv.com they have just confirmed Killzone2 was indeed in real time.

In addition to the Sony demos being shown by Phil Harrison, the Epic and EA presentations were the only third party portions actually running on the PS3 in real-time. But most of those movies, which I probably watched 3 or 4 during rehearsals for the event, look very achievable and some were probably rendered on the actual box but in non-real-time.
http://ve3dboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=19739475



I don't know why there are so bashers on this thread! I guess all the Fanboys are threatened!
Cant I pose the exact same question right back at you ? Why do you Sony fanboys feel threatened when some of us fail to get carried away with you all ? I thought Steve Jobs' reality distortion field was good, but Sony is the ultimate.

[numb555]

Cant I pose the exact same question right back at you ? Why do you Sony fanboys feel threatened when some of us fail to get carried away with you all ? I thought Steve Jobs' reality distortion field was good, but Sony is the ultimate.

Show me where some1 has gone overboard w/ the hype?No one is going around saying look Playstation is 10x better than the Box... But wat the tech demos shows is what the system can possibly do in the future, look at the duck demo for the ps2. At that time they showed it everyone was ahh wowww, and in the end the PS2 achieved grahics more superior than that demo. In this generation the duck demo was on par of wat was showed that was supposedly pre-rendered. Like in the quote u posted above, the pre-rendered shot seems to be achievable by the system itself. I dont' think they can show many real time stuff at the Dev was out for only 2 months.

I really dont' care much about the specs, its always the game play and how the artistic direction is that makes a game standout. My favourite game of this generation was RE4 and i thought it was the best looking game, i dont care about 4xAA, normal mapping, bump mapping or watever the hell they are using. But what i care is how the gameplay is and how it is presented.

Sorry if I sound like a fanboy, i'm really far from that...I've own almost every system excepts for the Segas since the Famicon. I'm just peeved by pple coming in and bashing the system that they havn't touched yet or seen yet.

[BoxsterS]

I can also confirm that the Killzone CG demo was shown in real time.

[sfu_lifer]

Well if what we saw with the demos can be done in realtime, then I don't see the need for render farms anymore, they can just use a couple of PS3's.
If Sony can deliver that at <$500, everyone should own a PS3.
I'm definitely getting one regardless. I'm just not getting my hopes way up. After the PS2, my Sony BS meter is always going off :D

[jerryhussain]

I'm just peeved by pple coming in and bashing the system that they havn't touched yet or seen yet.
If by not buying Sony's hype equals bashing, then yes I'm bashing the hell out of it. I didnt mean to imply that you were a Sony fanboy.

Todays reports from E3 say that the 32:9 aspect can be achieved only at 720p, not as 1080p as they implied in the presentation. (Not that I'm going to game at 1080p on two big screens, just that its all the hype going on)

After the PS2, my Sony BS meter is always going off :D
^^^

[dvdvideo]

This is brutal, both machines are months away and not being shown on final hardware, nobody has a clue which will look better, it's all specualtion.

Anyone who says one kills the other based on the footage shown, I'm sorry, is nothing more than a fanatic fanboy/fangirl with no real idea of anything.
None of it is running on final hardware.

Just as stupid as sony putting up a slide that says their cpu can process X amount more than Xbox's cpu's, when sony doesn't have access to Microsoft's hardware and is in fact, unless 100% accurate, misrepresenting microsoft hardware. In fact, if the number is off at all, MS should sue them for that slide that will be shown to thousands of industry insiders and the general public.
No reason to think they wouldn't win either, if thier brand new multi million dollar product is in any way different than what sony was claiming.
It's definately real damages if it sways people away from the 360, possibly in the tens of or even hundreds of millions of dollars.

[guest10586]

This is brutal, both machines are months away and not being shown on final hardware, nobody has a clue which will look better, it's all specualtion.

Anyone who says one kills the other based on the footage shown, I'm sorry, is nothing more than a fanatic fanboy/fangirl with no real idea of anything.
None of it is running on final hardware.

Just as stupid as sony putting up a slide that says their cpu can process X amount more than Xbox's cpu's, when sony doesn't have access to Microsoft's hardware and is in fact, unless 100% accurate, misrepresenting microsoft hardware. In fact, if the number is off at all, MS should sue them for that slide that will be shown to thousands of industry insiders and the general public.
No reason to think they wouldn't win either, if thier brand new multi million dollar product is in any way different than what sony was claiming.
It's definately real damages if it sways people away from the 360, possibly in the tens of or even hundreds of millions of dollars.

I don't think they made them up. Obviously MS was giving out a ton of their info to the general public...at that point it was already well known. Duh...

[JayPatel]

I ran into an old friend from the UK when we were leaving, and it turns out he's now working on Killzone at SCEE. When I asked him how "real" the video we'd just seen was, his response was "just about all of it."

http://1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5345401

[dvdvideo]

I don't think they made them up. Obviously MS was giving out a ton of their info to the general public...at that point it was already well known. Duh...

You mean info on a processor that miscrosft doesn't even have in production yet? I'm sure sony has magically put a processor that isn't even built yet through the paces in thier lab to find out it's true level of performance.
It's a guess, and a biased one at that, that they are pawning off as fact on a nice big full of crap slide in thier presentation for the world to see. Same as they are using a ton of prerendered crap and pawning it off as real time.
It is PS2 all over again, you would think people would learn.

[guest10586]

Just had a thought...2.5" drive...man, that is going to be expensive to upgrade...man, I wanted a big HD so I could put movies on there... :(

[dvdvideo]

I ran into an old friend from the UK when we were leaving, and it turns out he's now working on Killzone at SCEE. When I asked him how "real" the video we'd just seen was, his response was "just about all of it."

Real time what? Real time rendered on a powerfull pc or mac? Woopdeedoo.......

Give me 6 months and a team of talented coders and I will whip up some "real time" demos that everyone can drool over. It means nothing running off a pc or mac.

[vonteego]

http://1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5345401

Yeah i just heard on G4 Tech TV (morgan webb, yowza! for all the nerdy fanboys) that the Killzone demo official word from Sony is that it REPRESENTS real-time....i.e. it's CG footage, not real game footage, but looks like the actual game itself.

Either way, I just hope PS3 has the same variety that PS2 had.

[dvdvideo]

Why are people so adimant that one system is better than another?

The facts are if you go with just one machine or the other, just like in this generation you will be missing out on some great exclusive games, or missing out on great features.

Ps2 has it's exclusives, Xbox has it's, and GC has it's own as well.
Ps2 has a larger game library, and xbox has by far the best online service.
Ps2 was out first, but xbox ended up with better graphics hardware. (don't bother argueing this one)

It's a trade off, and it will be this gen as well. True gamers do whatever it takes to get both machines, so they can play all the great games.

Casual fanboys buy one and spend thier days stating why thier machine is superior. This is why you already hear people saying why one machine is so much better than the other before anyone really knows.....

[nfnx]

wow i just read 14 pages of info and flames and everything in between...
thanks to everyone who contributed and no thanks to anyone who made this thread longer than it should have been.

just my opinion, i actually like the console... looks kind of futurisitc. i also think the controllers look very very comfortable and thats why im going to say that i like those too... the original controllers got a little uncomfortable after playing for long periods of tiem becasue the sides were too small (i can see they fixed that here).

also, the screenshots look AMAZING... i am a playstation fan so i might be biased but wow, truely amazing.

backwards compatible is a huge pro for this,, only i wouldnt know what to do with my ps2....


will they come out with mod chips for this? and if they do, will they have burners for these new discs?

[dvdvideo]

And it begins......

Are you seriously asking if there is going to be a mod chip for a machine that nobody has even seen yet?

[nfnx]

well im asking out of curiousity. is there something wrong with that?




anyways, i just watched the video that you guys left up there in the first page... and killzone looks amazing, but very very very hard to control....

i dont know if its just the way they presented it, but this vid has me sold.
amazing.

also as mentioned earlier in this thread, the eyetoy and picking up water trick is pretty amazing as well... im pretty much speechless.

[rilhouse]

You can say that again. Its been very poorly recieved so far.

it sure as hell looks better then xbox360.

[dvdvideo]

Nothing wrong with asking, just thought it was kind of a silly question considering there is zero chance anyone in the world could possibly answer it yet.

You know that Killzone is pre-rendered, right? Which means the final game could look nothing like it.
The Sony BS hype machine strikes again. Sad that Microsoft is being penalized for actual games instead of rendered videos.

However, the XBox games ARE in game, but they are still in early stages of developement and are using kits that are not capable of the XBox360s power.

My main point? PS3 games won't look as good as the vids they showed while 360s games will look better than what was showed.

[taro-chan]

It's Sony, what do you expect?

Although, I'll probably end up getting one.

[Carnage]

Though really backwards compatiblity is really not that important when you think about it.

Sure you might want to play a couple of the most popular games from Xbox/PS2 on Xbox360/PS3.

But really a year later not many people will be playing the old games. Once the amazing next gen games come out you'll forget about the old ones.

How many people still play PS1 games on their PS2? Or how long after PS2 came out did you stop playing PS1 games?

I just find it funny when an emphasize is put on backwards compatiblity. ;)

[rdtx2002]

Nothing wrong with asking, just thought it was kind of a silly question considering there is zero chance anyone in the world could possibly answer it yet.

You know that Killzone is pre-rendered, right? Which means the final game could look nothing like it.
The Sony BS hype machine strikes again. Sad that Microsoft is being penalized for actual games instead of rendered videos.

However, the XBox games ARE in game, but they are still in early stages of developement and are using kits that are not capable of the XBox360s power.

My main point? PS3 games won't look as good as the vids they showed while 360s games will look better than what was showed.

KillZone pre-rendered?.. not according to 1Up...

[rdtx2002]

will they come out with mod chips for this? and if they do, will they have burners for these new discs?

yes, and yes.

[taro-chan]

How many people still play PS1 games on their PS2? Or how long after PS2 came out did you stop playing PS1 games?

I just find it funny when an emphasize is put on backwards compatiblity. ;)
Actually, I still play with my SNES once in a while.

[Carnage]

Actually, I still play with my SNES once in a while.

Not alot of people do though.

What I mean is that who's going to be playing GT4 on PS3 when GT5 comes out, or Halo2 on Xbox360 when Halo3 comes out,etc.

[Dymis]

Not alot of people do though.

What I mean is that who's going to be playing GT4 on PS3 when GT5 comes out, or Halo2 on Xbox360 when Halo3 comes out,etc.
It's a decision breaker for those who wanted to pick up PS2 if PS3 wasn't backward compatible. Exactly why I was holding off on Xbox because I wanted to know if I could pick up the new one and play the games I missed.

There are some great games on PS1 (well, I'm an RPG gamer), games such as Valkyrie Profile still look amazing because it's 2D hand drawn. How else will you be able to play the older Final Fantasies, etc.

[numb555]

I'm picking up a Rev, and the backwards compatability is gonna be used very often. I never got to play FF6, Chrono Trigger, and Ocarina of time properly! emulating them on the PC didnt' feel the same. As for the backwards compatibility on the 2 other systems i welcome it also, this way i can give my neices and nephew my old systems....hmm well maybe just the PS2 and GC but the Xbox stays as it is my HTPC. :)

[doctorgonzo]

That Killzone vid is very impressive... however, I seriously doubt that that is in-game - it has got to be pre-rendered. Come on, this is Sony - they always do this - show some crazy pre-rendered vids to dupe consumers into waiting for their console. Can you blame them? It worked to steal Dreamcast's thunder and it'll work against the xbox 360.

A funny quote from gamespot "but if it is all in-engine, and we have no reason to believe that it's not" umm... how about that they always pull this type of hype at every game system debut. They seem to have very short memories at gamespot.

However, if I'm wrong (and I would love it if I am - gaming with that amount of detail would be phenomenal), I'll definitely buy a PS3.

[mark_in_2k]

The Killzone 2 movie, IMO, has to be pre-rendered. It was all too perfect, like the part where one of the bad guuys gets punched off the side of the bridge by another soldier. The "player" looks over the edge as the bad guy falls. Way too perfect for my liking.

The launch of the PS3 is 12 months away. If the PS3 can put out those kind of graphics a full year before it's supposed to launch, I'll eat my hat.

I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy as I currently own the Xbox and PS2. I know that I will be buying both consoles. I will get the 360 on launch, but I will probably wait a while before I get the PS3. One of my main reasons for getting the 360 is because of it's media streaming capabilities (I don't know where I'd be if I didn't have my XBMC on my current Xbox :D).

[jerryhussain]

it sure as hell looks better then xbox360.
Well I dont think Microsoft has the time to consider redesigning any part of it or the controller. Sony has lots of time and they will probably end up modifying some part of the design.

And anybody who watched the G4 E3 special, they were trash talking Microsoft & Nintendo and sucking up Sony's ass. Reminds me of why I stopped watching that channel.

[dvdvideo]

Yep, it was brutal bias, especially considering how little energy the sony presentation had. All the sony fanboys are running around saying how good killzone looks, LOL.

http://www.otrascosas.com/images/20041127052757iwantobelieve.jpg

Sony has said the Killzone footage is "representative" of the final product. Which means it's rendered, not real time. At no time would they say it's real time.

How about an interview with the devloper confirming it's not real time?

Guerrilla's stunning PLAYSTATION 3 trailer, showing the future of the Killzone series, is the talk of the town here in LA (as well as the Internet at large). We did some digging...

Jan-Bart Van Beek is the Game Director of the PS3 Killzone at Guerrilla Games, and has spent the last few months working on the trailer that really blew the crowd away at Monday's PLAYSTATION 3 unveiling. After a second showing of the trailer at today's SCEE conference received another rapturous round of applause, we caught up with Jan to find out more.

How do you feel about the reaction to the trailer that was shown yesterday?

Jan-Bart: It's been an amazing reception, the rush you get from seeing your own stuff on the big screen like that, and then the reaction to it, it's a big rush, I'm really happy about it.

How long ago did work start on the sequence?

Jan-Bart: We started working on it in late November, and only finished it three days before the show, at the very, very last moment!

It seemed like Killzone, only more so! Is that what we can expect from the finished game?

Jan-Bart: We want to avoid having just Killzone with more beautiful graphics. We want to add a lot more to it than that. So we're adding a lot more character interaction, with the ways they respond to you and how you can react to them. There's a lot more interactions between characters like you see in the trailer, people dragging each other off out of combat and helping each other, giving each other their weapons - a lot more real human interaction, basically.

It's like with the Alfred Molina demo, the quality of facial animation we can get with the characters means you'll really feel that emotional sense of being part of a unit and fighting together. Characters working together, comrades pulling each other back from the field of battle; that kind of thing is really going to move the genre forward.

There's a great moment where you see an ISA ally take out a Helghan with his rifle butt to save your bacon... is that representative of the kind of sophisticated behaviour we'll start seeing in artificial intelligence when PS3 arrives?

Jan-Bart: Yes, totally, it's just the start. Characters will be very aware, very alert to how they might be able to help you. That moment [with the rifle butt] is a good example of how it can add a little visual 'wow' to it all.

Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PLAYSTATION 3?

Jan-Bart: [B]Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.
Have you found PS3 easy to work with?

JB: Yes, we're really impressed with it. The Cell is amazingly powerful, and the graphics CPU [the RSX, co-developed with Nvidia] in there... it's actually hard to mimic it on our development PCs, we have to see it on the PS3 hardware itself. It's really nice to be working with such powerful hardware.

As yet, high definition TV isn't that widespread, especially in Europe - are you concerned that some players won't get to see your game in as much detail as is intended?

JB: No, I think in two, three years' time, HDTV will be a lot more accepted, in Europe too. We'll start out with 720p and then [onto 1080p] as there's now this product [PS3] that people will want to buy a new TV for.

Thanks, and congratulations on the work.

[nfnx]

aw well we can only wait and see.... however you guys have to admit the eyetoy and water scene was pretty damn impressive.

[sonick]

anybody seen the Fight Night trailer?! :eek:

[sfu_lifer]

aw well we can only wait and see.... however you guys have to admit the eyetoy and water scene was pretty damn impressive.
Him scooping the water was insane. I look very much forward to the PS3 and using eyetoy. Microsoft doesn't seem to know what an innovative game is :(
I haven't seen them thinking "out of the box" just yet.

[sonick]

ive never really been a PS fan, but damn the videos they have are damn impressive... fight night, F1, killing day, etc. the ones from X360 dont really impress me as much as these PS3 ones...

[jerryhussain]

ive never really been a PS fan, but damn the videos they have are damn impressive... fight night, F1, killing day, etc.
Out of those 3 only Fight Night 3 was real gameplay, the rest were CG.

[dvdvideo]

People just aren't reading.

Reports from the show floor today are saying the Xbox 360 has a good showing, including a perfect dark showing that looks nothing like the crappy screenshots and has great graphics.....

[Yukikaze]

strange stuff is that most of e3 stuff they show on it never actually shows up in the game. Hence Halo 2 trailer from e3 to the actuall game.

[sonick]

Out of those 3 only Fight Night 3 was real gameplay, the rest were CG.
... i know? they still were more impressive than anything from X360, CG or realtime.

[jerryhussain]

... i know? they still were more impressive than anything from X360, CG or realtime.
lol I pity all the people who are falling for the CG demos.

dvdvideo, yes I read that everybody who was at the PD0 conference was impressed, which included gameplay.

[sonick]

im not 'falling' for them... i know true well they are CG... believe me, i would love for them to be CG, ive never been a PS fan (hey, i own a dreamcast and an xbox)... and funnily enough the only one that i mentioned tehre that was indeed real-time, was the one that impressed me the MOST...

i shall wait for the PD0 trailer to come out...

[BoxsterS]

According to the G4 E3 Live coverage hosts, the Xbox 360 was the only console that had any real playable games. Although, the PS3 booth did have playable non interactive CG games. The absence of any PS3 games at the Sony booth pretty much confirms that the majority of the games demonstrated at the PS3 introduction were CG. If they had any in playable form, regardless of how short they might have been or just consisted of 1 level, I'm sure they would have shown something.

In other news, people are speculating that the PS3 will retail higher than the 360 and if so, combined with the headstart of the 360 and the release of 2nd generation games around the PS3 NA release, this is going to be one interesting race. Sony will undoubtedly capture and hold on to the #1 spot, but the 360 will not be far behind. If Microsoft's goal was to reduce the market share of Sony in the next gen race then I think they'll succeed. These are two powerful machines and the games released on both systems will be very comparable and perhaps even indistinguishable.

[BoxsterS]

http://www.usemycomputer.com/indeximages/2005/May/ps3bbq.jpg

[rdtx2002]

few sources have confirmed that Killzone 2 is realtime...

[guest10586]

According to the G4 E3 Live coverage hosts, the Xbox 360 was the only console that had any real playable games. Although, the PS3 booth did have playable non interactive CG games. The absence of any PS3 games at the Sony booth pretty much confirms that the majority of the games demonstrated at the PS3 introduction were CG. If they had any in playable form, regardless of how short they might have been or just consisted of 1 level, I'm sure they would have shown something.

In other news, people are speculating that the PS3 will retail higher than the 360 and if so, combined with the headstart of the 360 and the release of 2nd generation games around the PS3 NA release, this is going to be one interesting race. Sony will undoubtedly capture and hold on to the #1 spot, but the 360 will not be far behind. If Microsoft's goal was to reduce the market share of Sony in the next gen race then I think they'll succeed. These are two powerful machines and the games released on both systems will be very comparable and perhaps even indistinguishable.


CG or not ps3 is still equal in power if not better then the xbox. Since the release dates are 6 months apart or more you can basically deduct that Sony will have it and more. The 8 conectable wireless blue tooth controllers is very impressive concept since xbox and rev are still at 4.

[jerryhussain]

few sources have confirmed that Killzone 2 is realtime...
Jeez, how ignorant can you get ? Read dvdvideo's post above or click below:


E3 2005: Killzone Interview
This new interview answers some questions and totally doesn't answer others. Is it real?
(http://ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616591p1.html?fromint=1)

[sfu_lifer]

Jeez, how ignorant can you get ? Read dvdvideo's post above or click below:


E3 2005: Killzone Interview
This new interview answers some questions and totally doesn't answer others. Is it real?
(http://ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616591p1.html?fromint=1)
Not ignorant, just very very very optimistic ;)
CG or not, a LOT of people are falling for the hype. I think it IS more powerful than the 360. How much so, we don't know and those CG pre-renders don't help any. I think the Unreal engine stuff will definitely run faster/better on the PS3 just because of the nVidia & OpenGL factor.

[jerryhussain]

Not ignorant, just very very very optimistic ;)
He said "sources" without anything to back that up. I've seen some Nintendo fanboys claiming that according to "sources", Revolution will be faster than both Xbox 360 & PS3. :cheesygri

One good news regarding PS3 is that Sony may plan a world-wide launch for PS3 rather than Japan getting it first and then NA.

[sfu_lifer]

He said "sources" without anything to back that up. I've seen some Nintendo fanboys claiming that according to "sources", Revolution will be faster than both Xbox 360 & PS3. :cheesygri

One good news regarding PS3 is that Sony may plan a world-wide launch for PS3 rather than Japan getting it first and then NA.
Oh we know those sources, some guy at 1up, a few early musings from editors before they've had a chance to interview the actual makers of the CG and the random guy in other gaming forums :cheesygri

[Carnage]

few sources have confirmed that Killzone 2 is realtime...

I think you're misunderstanding what realtime means.

It was realtime in the sense that it was being played in realtime, and being rendered in realtime even.

However it was not being rendered by teh game engine. It was nothing more then a CG movie. Although granted an extremely impresive one at that.

[sleepyguy]

Honestly... if that is the case... that is pathetic. So they everything was CG and played from a HD DVD player... honestly... sony just busted my buble. 360 has my hard earned $$$ thus far now. Revolution is second... I have a soft spot for Nintendo :)

I think you're misunderstanding what realtime means.

It was realtime in the sense that it was being played in realtime, and being rendered in realtime even.

However it was not being rendered by teh game engine. It was nothing more then a CG movie. Although granted an extremely impresive one at that.

[rdtx2002]

lets just say.. the PS3 unveiling killed any hype that was garnered by Xbox360 from the MTV unveiling.

[jerryhussain]

lets just say.. the PS3 unveiling killed any hype that was garnered by Xbox360 from the MTV unveiling.
Yes, all those CG movies were intended exactly for that purpose. They spent 6 months on the KillZone CG movie alone, imagine how much time + money they invested into the whole show.

[akito925]

bah consoles..

I'd like the keyboard mouse on the computer then playing JOYSTICK on consoles for fps games.. like halo.. halo would of ben great if it had co-op for the pc- wish it had the same features like the xbox..

[dvdvideo]

lets just say.. the PS3 unveiling killed any hype that was garnered by Xbox360 from the MTV unveiling.

The MTV unveiling was lame, so there really was no hype.

And the only people who think the PS3 is the best machine without even playing it are sony fanboys, and there are lots of the mindless robots around.
They could have shown Final Fantasy the movie and the sony bots would have said the PS3 dominated.....

[Fantaz]

So what's wrong with G4 being a Sony fanboy?

[Carnage]

So what's wrong with G4 being a Sony fanboy?

Just that you'd expect the media to be un-biased.

[vonteego]

The MTV unveiling was lame, so there really was no hype.

And the only people who think the PS3 is the best machine without even playing it are sony fanboys, and there are lots of the mindless robots around.
They could have shown Final Fantasy the movie and the sony bots would have said the PS3 dominated.....

You wanna talk about 'bots' eh? How about those XBOX fan drones at the XBOX 360 press conference in the background? Even G4 was making fun of them.

As G4 pointed out:

Lara Croft appears on screen and that crowd started applauding wildly!?!?! Uh, 1999 anyone? They're a few years too late.

And the biggest fake-ness pointer of them all? SO many girls in the crowd. LOL. Leave it to the folks a G4 to point this all out.

[ProtonNeutron]

The PS3 Tech demo of FFVII was definitely impressive. I hope that the games will all be of that quality or better!

[Carnage]

And the biggest fake-ness pointer of them all? SO many girls in the crowd. LOL. Leave it to the folks a G4 to point this all out.

That's nothing new, and definetly not specific to Microsoft.

Ever heard of booth babes? They're extremely common at E3. I'd wager to bet that there are plenty of booth babes even over at the Sony booths.

[vonteego]

That's nothing new, and definetly not specific to Microsoft.

Ever heard of booth babes? They're extremely common at E3. I'd wager to bet that there are plenty of booth babes even over at the Sony booths.

No no no sorry you misunderstood me....MS didn't have "booth babes", they basically had a crowd of about 100 mid-20's folks, of whom 50% were women (regular women, jeans and t-shirt). And G4 was poking fun at that ;) They basically hired these "regular" gals to sit amongst the boys in the "applause" crowd.

[Carnage]

No no no sorry you misunderstood me....MS didn't have "booth babes", they basically had a crowd of about 100 mid-20's folks, of whom 50% were women (regular women, jeans and t-shirt). And G4 was poking fun at that ;) They basically hired these "regular" gals to sit amongst the boys in the "applause" crowd.

Not that much different then booth babes.

They're still young attractive women paid to entertain geeks. ;)

[DJXP]

for the record i know a lot of girls that play both xbox and ps2, and most of them are pretty decent looking girls. Of course I know a lot more guys that have xbox or ps2.

In the end specs don't matter, its the titles that are released for them, the way it looks, and what the system itself can do.

The x360's ability to hook up usb devices including the psp and ipod is a pretty advantageous step for M$, unless sony is going to pull a similar feature If sony is going to get exlusives to similar games like they did with ps2 then M$ will have to really get some more good games out there.
i'd play a ff series game over halo :)

My advice though is watch out for the first gen sony system :D , i will wait till a few revisions come out before I grab one.

[jb22]

So I was just watching G4 and they had someone from Sony on and they asked him (as they seem to ask anyone from Sony) if the Killzone footage was real gameplay. He stated that it wasn't being played real time, that it was taped footage (so far so good) but then he says that the footage was "representation" of what the actual game would look like, that it was rendered to spec, so then it was pre-rendered.

On an interesting note for 360 fans, it seems that the kits running the game at E3 are only running at 25% of their full potential power. Makes me wonder if MS should have held off for a while untill they could showcase the full (or atleast a lot more then 25%) of what the system can do. And this wasn't an MS person speaking but a game developer from Sega.

[wanted]

^
Are they running on computers/Macs, right?

[sfu_lifer]

^
Are they running on computers/Macs, right?
Yes they are. 2 CPUx 2.5Ghz G5s.
I keep forgetting about Sony's quality control problems. The sexiness of their devices makes it easy to overlook.

[Carnage]

Makes me wonder if MS should have held off for a while untill they could showcase the full (or atleast a lot more then 25%) of what the system can do. And this wasn't an MS person speaking but a game developer from Sega.

They had to show something at E3, considering that the launch date is only a matter of months away.

So even an incomplete system would be better then none.

[Wassup Doc]

I wonder what the lauch price will be in Canada. Some say it will around $350-400 US. I'll be definitely wait until version 2 or 3 before picking up one. Been burn too much by version 1 stuff.

[guest10586]

On an interesting note for 360 fans, it seems that the kits running the game at E3 are only running at 25% of their full potential power. Makes me wonder if MS should have held off for a while untill they could showcase the full (or atleast a lot more then 25%) of what the system can do. And this wasn't an MS person speaking but a game developer from Sega.

25% source? Or are you pulling stuff out of your hat?

[SAS-1]

33% (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html)


E3 2005: 360 Running at One-Third Power
So we've been seeing the Xbox 120?
by David Clayman

May 17, 2005 - In between furiously posting the latest game information, we had the time to shoot the breeze with a PR representative from a third-party company. The conversation drifted toward the framerate issues that we've seen while previewing a few Xbox 360 titles. There is no doubt that the level of detail in the trailers is up to next-gen standards, but almost anything in-engine has chugged a bit at one point or another.

When asked about this issue our source replied that the current playable 360 games would all have framerate issues due to the fact that they are running on alpha test units. A rough estimate placed these machines at about one-third as powerful as the 360. We went head-to-head in Top Spin 2 and noticed that there were visible jaggies and a few frame drops. This is because the Alpha units do not run anti-aliasing and simply don't have the power to run a high-res game at full quality. The developers had tuned Top Spin 2 to run at a smooth 60 frames per second but this was simply not possible on the Alpha hardware. Official sources place the final development kit dates for July and the results promise to look much better.

It is not surprising that many games in early stages would suffer from the types of issues we've seen so far. Since the alpha units are underpowered, it is surprising that Microsoft hadn't touted this fact earlier. Knowing that the final products will most definitely run smoother certainly got us more excited about the 360 line-up.

[jb22]

25% source? Or are you pulling stuff out of your hat?

Well unless developers are making it up the MS Aplpha kits are only running or allowing developers to reach 25% of what the hardware can actually pull off. This was a developer from Sega, and was the first time I've heard a number as most MS people were just saying that the hardware still was running at full power aand not being really clear about what the ment.

The Sega developer was showing some racing game, forgot the name but it looked like Burnout with guns on your car. Any way, their demo was running at 30 fps, but the Sega developer said without a doubt when asked if they would eventually be running at 60 fps that their goal was to be running beyond 60 fps and having 60f fps be their low point for frmae rate. And this was a game were everything was destructable with particle effects everywhere.

Was also interesting ot see that as Morgan Webb was playing the demo she was on a wired controller, has any one see if any wireless controllers have been used in action? I don't really reember the MTV special.

[JL23]

I wonder what the lauch price will be in Canada. Some say it will around $350-400 US. I'll be definitely wait until version 2 or 3 before picking up one. Been burn too much by version 1 stuff.

I've heard on IGN that it might be 50,000 yen which is 465 US dollars because the graphics card alone is worth over a grand I hear

[nfnx]

why are so many people here criticizing supporters of ps3?
just because u think ps3 has an edge over 360, doesnt mean u are sony fanboys..

personally i prefer sony over xbox, but i must admit xbox 360 looks a lot more impressive than the original.
although i still feel sony has the advantage because of the amount of games and countless hardware additions possible.
nevertheless, xbox is def closing the gap in the market and will maybe oneday be better in my eyes... i just feel that they are not at that level yet.

both these machines have the ability to produce top notch games.... its just upto the software to make use of this now.

as for the CG vs. realtime debate.... give it time... we'll reevaluate it when the games come out.
so far they both look great from a CG point of view.... lets hope they can carry that on with all this new hardware they have implemented into the systems.


and nintendo revolution is a joke.

[rdtx2002]

33% (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html)

so what? for their sake it better be 33%.. it's not like the early games for PS3 are using all their 'power'

[SAS-1]

so what? for their sake it better be 33%.. it's not like the early games for PS3 are using all their 'power'

Someone asked for a link and I gave it to them, so chill out. You fanboys are sure on edge this week.

[SAS-1]

why are so many people here criticizing supporters of ps3?
just because u think ps3 has an edge over 360, doesnt mean u are sony fanboys..


It's kind of funny actually because it's almost reminiscent of how the PS2 folks were acting when the hardware superiror Xbox was launched. The whole thing is just absurd.

I don't understand why people get so upset and defensive. I think both systems are great and I've already decided that I will get them both. At under $500CDN, and spaced a year apart, it's going to be easy to afford both and guarantee the best games in the next generation.

In the end, we (the gamer) are the winner.

[sfu_lifer]

Well unless developers are making it up the MS Aplpha kits are only running or allowing developers to reach 25% of what the hardware can actually pull off. This was a developer from Sega, and was the first time I've heard a number as most MS people were just saying that the hardware still was running at full power aand not being really clear about what the ment.

The Sega developer was showing some racing game, forgot the name but it looked like Burnout with guns on your car. Any way, their demo was running at 30 fps, but the Sega developer said without a doubt when asked if they would eventually be running at 60 fps that their goal was to be running beyond 60 fps and having 60f fps be their low point for frmae rate. And this was a game were everything was destructable with particle effects everywhere.

Was also interesting ot see that as Morgan Webb was playing the demo she was on a wired controller, has any one see if any wireless controllers have been used in action? I don't really reember the MTV special.

I've heard reports as well from other developers saying they were not even using full units to develop (still on the crap G5/ATI PC card combo). So sounds like MS rushed this.
Anyhow, they are wired because people will likely steal the controllers. That's what I read at engadget and various boards that it's wired for theft prevention.
The only games Xbox 360 will lack are the quirky Japanese titles with accessories. Those will likely go to Sony. in terms of hardware upgrades, the original Xbox didn't need an upgrade. Sony and Nintendo did (see HD, memory cards for saving, network adapter, etc).
Folks here are criticizing easily gullible Sony supporters who went "Screw you. You know nothing. That IS realtime. Sony said so that' it's a supercomputer, double the power of Xbox 360, etc..." It's worth it to take what you see in a convention such as this with a grain of salt unless you are actually seeing gameplay footage. Sony is known to pull this kind of crap in order to kill hype for their competitors who got to the next gen ahead of them. Sega's Dreamcast suffered the exact same fate after Sony did their tech demos for the PS2. Instead of Doc Ock, they had the old guy from Final Fantasy the Movie supposedly being rendered realtime by a PS2. Plus Sony game products

[JayPatel]

A little OT but here is a video of the next Ruby demo running off the Xenos (X360 GPU) this was being demonstrated at the ATi booth and apparently was one of few units running final silicon.

http://xboxyde.com/news_1610_en.html

[jerryhussain]

I've heard on IGN that it might be 50,000 yen which is 465 US dollars because the graphics card alone is worth over a grand I hear
That is funny the way they mentioned it.

Geforce 6800 Ultra = $500.

RSX = supposedly 2 x Geforce 6800 Ultra = 2 X 500 = $1000

All this is valid right now only not next year.

[JayPatel]

Also at impress watch is a new interview with David Kirk from Nvidia who states that not only is the RSX a GPU but all 7 SPE's can act as a GPU and in tandem work together with the RSX.

David Kirk: Post-effects such as motion blur, simulation for depth of field, bloom effect in HDR rendering, can be done by SPE processing RSX-rendered results.

Nishikawa's speculation: RSX renders a scene in the main RAM then SPEs add effects to frames in it. Or, you can synthesize SPE-created frames with an RSX-rendered frame.

David Kirk: Let SPEs do vertex-processing then let RSX render it.

Nishikawa's speculation: You can implement a collision-aware tesselator and dynamic LOD by SPE.

David Kirk: SPE and GPU work together, which allows physics simulation to interact with graphics.

Nishikawa's speculation: For expression of water wavelets, a normal map can be generated by pulse physics simulation with a height map texture. This job is done in SPE and RSX in parallel.

David Kirk (nVIDIA) said:

1) RSX can use XDR-RAM(256MB) as VRAM too.

2) 7 SPEs and RSX can work togehter as a total GPU. SPE as vertex shader
, post processing a rendering result from RSX etc...

[Carnage]

Did anyone else find that tech explenation to be gibberish? ;)

I'm pretty computer savy, but man most of these tech descriptions of these next gen systems go right over my head.

What happened to the good old days when it was just 8bit, 16bit, 64bit. Now it's just so complicated.

[jerryhussain]

Did anyone else find that tech explenation to be gibberish? ;)

I'm pretty computer savy, but man most of these tech descriptions of these next gen systems go right over my head.

What happened to the good old days when it was just 8bit, 16bit, 64bit. Now it's just so complicated.
You are not alone ;) I think its always the case when the launch a new console, especially the Sony's conferences are too technical. Like always, once the tech is more familiar and we get to know from 2-3 different sources, we'll understand it.

[jerryhussain]

More on Sony's RSX:

Information on NVIDIA's RSX will be even lighter because it is the more PC-like of the two solutions and as such, a lot of its technology overlaps with the upcoming G70 GPU, an item we currently can't talk about in great detail.
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2423

So we can purchase the G70 in a couple of months.

[CodecX81]

LOL, i had all 3 and play games on pc. Rule of thumb for buying consoles is to buy the console with the games you like. Unlike a pc, a console is only as good as its games.

I agree.
Honestly.. Konami, Squeenix, Capcom, and to a lesser extent namco..

Whomever wins these companies over with solitary rights to their game line up is who I go for.

When I purchased my PS2, it was an upgrade from PS1..There was no xbox or gamecube and Final Fantasy X was lined up for it, so it was an obvious choice.

Now... they are all equally matched with a lot of functionality that gamers die for, like online play and harddrives etc..

I have not read anywhere that the PS3 will support anything before PS2, but I could be wrong. But, with the controllers and how memory is handled is completely different.. I doubt it.

It does not look like these consoles will have that kind of backwards compatibility. However I have heard that the Revolution will support the pay to download old roms. If this is true, I will definately buy one. Even if I have to pay like $2 for Contra, its worth my time if its mine to play forever.

So, due to the kid in me, I'm hoping and praying that revolution will be the strongest of the 3, and will win the rights to either resident evil or Final Fantasy.. But PS3 looks like its still the dominent force.

Ah hell I'll just buy both.. No one ports cool games to the XBOX anyhow :p

[Dymis]

I agree.
Honestly.. Konami, Squeenix, Capcom, and to a lesser extent namco..

Whomever wins these companies over with solitary rights to their game line up is who I go for.

When I purchased my PS2, it was an upgrade from PS1..There was no xbox or gamecube and Final Fantasy X was lined up for it, so it was an obvious choice.

Now... they are all equally matched with a lot of functionality that gamers die for, like online play and harddrives etc..

I have not read anywhere that the PS3 will support anything before PS2, but I could be wrong. But, with the controllers and how memory is handled is completely different.. I doubt it.

It does not look like these consoles will have that kind of backwards compatibility. However I have heard that the Revolution will support the pay to download old roms. If this is true, I will definately buy one. Even if I have to pay like $2 for Contra, its worth my time if its mine to play forever.

So, due to the kid in me, I'm hoping and praying that revolution will be the strongest of the 3, and will win the rights to either resident evil or Final Fantasy.. But PS3 looks like its still the dominent force.

Ah hell I'll just buy both.. No one ports cool games to the XBOX anyhow :p
PS3 is backwards compatible with PS2 and PS1.
Xbox has limited backwards compatibility (not completely explained yet).
Nintendo has backwards compatibility up to NES if you pay for them.

[guest10586]

PS3 is backwards compatible with PS2 and PS1.
Xbox has limited backwards compatibility (not completely explained yet).
Nintendo has backwards compatibility up to NES if you pay for them.


Not backwards compatibility for snes/nes. You purachase them, it would be interesting to see slots for them but I doubt they are there.

[guest10586]

So, due to the kid in me, I'm hoping and praying that revolution will be the strongest of the 3, and will win the rights to either resident evil or Final Fantasy.. But PS3 looks like its still the dominent force.

Ah hell I'll just buy both.. No one ports cool games to the XBOX anyhow :p


I heard FF crystal chronicals sucked and I played FFT advance which sucked... I dunno, but if these are the development teams for Square uses for Nintendo forget it.

If PS3 gets ports of everything good like ps2 I am happy. The one game I wanted to play on Nintendo was Zelda and Metroid but not worth getting it over that.

[Carnage]

I heard FF crystal chronicals sucked and I played FFT advance which sucked... I dunno, but if these are the development teams for Square uses for Nintendo forget it.


The entire FF franchise has gone downhill. I don't even consider FF games anymore, and I used to love the series.

Square just isn't providing the same type of quality they used to. From FFX on I found them getting pretty lame.

FF has been pushed as far as it can go IMHO. It's time for some new original games to come out.

[nfnx]

i can see sony trying to push these rpg's now.... mainly becuase of the jap market who are die hard fans of it, and hence creating them.


xboxis SLOWLY starting to impress me. right now i am with sony, but i can see xbox3 being a lot more competitive, once they develop a more solid foundation of games.... besides, in the end.. microsoft ALWAYS wins. and if they dont, they'll buy you.

[Fantaz]

Well unless developers are making it up the MS Aplpha kits are only running or allowing developers to reach 25% of what the hardware can actually pull off. This was a developer from Sega, and was the first time I've heard a number as most MS people were just saying that the hardware still was running at full power aand not being really clear about what the ment.

The Sega developer was showing some racing game, forgot the name but it looked like Burnout with guns on your car. Any way, their demo was running at 30 fps, but the Sega developer said without a doubt when asked if they would eventually be running at 60 fps that their goal was to be running beyond 60 fps and having 60f fps be their low point for frmae rate. And this was a game were everything was destructable with particle effects everywhere.

Was also interesting ot see that as Morgan Webb was playing the demo she was on a wired controller, has any one see if any wireless controllers have been used in action? I don't really reember the MTV special.
The game is called Full Auto and it's being made by a Toronto based developer named Pseudo Interactive (http://www.pseudointeractive.com).

[Dymis]

Taken from Gametab:

It has been revealed behind closed doors at E3 that Sony is planning on supporting the caching of legacy (PS1/PS2) games on the PS3, requiring game discs to be inserted at game start for verification of ownership/availability. The system would be able to support simultaneous emulation of multiple titles with each title getting a proportional amout of screen space (and thanks to the high resolution output supported on the PS3, games will still look great in partitioned screen space). This technology will be great for social gatherings, as finding party games that everyone is excited about playing is no longer a requirement. This is also possible due to the system's support for 7 controllers.

Hmmm.... sounds interesting. If you have kids who want to play their own games, this sounds VERY interesting.

[guest10586]

Taken from Gametab:

It has been revealed behind closed doors at E3 that Sony is planning on supporting the caching of legacy (PS1/PS2) games on the PS3, requiring game discs to be inserted at game start for verification of ownership/availability. The system would be able to support simultaneous emulation of multiple titles with each title getting a proportional amout of screen space (and thanks to the high resolution output supported on the PS3, games will still look great in partitioned screen space). This technology will be great for social gatherings, as finding party games that everyone is excited about playing is no longer a requirement. This is also possible due to the system's support for 7 controllers.

Hmmm.... sounds interesting. If you have kids who want to play their own games, this sounds VERY interesting.

Split screen...hmmm...that doesn't sound right. I mean you can cache on the HD, but 4 screens?

[Fantaz]

The feature that allows you to play PS3 games remotely through the PSP WiFi sounds really good. I wonder how lag times will affect it.

[sfu_lifer]

The feature that allows you to play PS3 games remotely through the PSP WiFi sounds really good. I wonder how lag times will affect it.
I think it's a ******** idea unless you use your PS3 to control your home appliances. Lag is gonna kill fast action games even on a local network.
Now if the PS3 acts as a router/gateway of some sort w/o you going to the internet first, then lag is a non-factor.
I find the simultaneous multi-emulator to be kinda cool. The new consoles are definitely powerful enough to pull it off. I can't wait for the 360 and the PS3.
Sorry Nintendo, but pulling out of the graphics horserace drops you to the "buy-at-$99-or-less" level.

[rdtx2002]

I think it's a ******** idea unless you use your PS3 to control your home appliances. Lag is gonna kill fast action games even on a local network.
Now if the PS3 acts as a router/gateway of some sort w/o you going to the internet first, then lag is a non-factor.
I find the simultaneous multi-emulator to be kinda cool. The new consoles are definitely powerful enough to pull it off. I can't wait for the 360 and the PS3.
Sorry Nintendo, but pulling out of the graphics horserace drops you to the "buy-at-$99-or-less" level.

it would seem PS3 can act like a router since it does have 3 ethernet ports.. 1 in and 2 out.. but we'll see..

[jerryhussain]

it would seem PS3 can act like a router since it does have 3 ethernet ports.. 1 in and 2 out.. but we'll see..
Router ? I read that there are 3 ports so that it can act as a hub, not a router.

[sonick]

sorry if this is a repost, anybody seen this? Microsoft press release comparing PS3 and X360 specs:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

[P__S__2]

^seen it.......theres a better comparison at gamespot.

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-C-15015-x-4-4

[jazziman]

sorry if this is a repost, anybody seen this? Microsoft press release comparing PS3 and X360 specs:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

"Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info, and we're not endorsing it, just printing their version."

I just read some of that press release... OMG MS is talkin soo much trash.. its almost as if they know the ps3 has taken the internet by storm and they are trying desparately to get people to come back to their side....

[.iNiz]

Did you guys ever try going to WikiPedia, and typing in Playstation 3?

Playstation 3 @ WikiPedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3)

[jerryhussain]

Did you guys ever try going to WikiPedia, and typing in Playstation 3?

Playstation 3 @ WikiPedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3)
What is it worth when the numbers in that article come from Sony ? It holds as much wieght as the Microsoft comparision. :cheesygri

[JayPatel]

You can't blame MS or Sony for trash talking each other. Although you gotta admit, M$ had no clue what Sony was bringing to the table prior to the start of E3 or else they would have had a better showing.

We are only 6 months away from the XBOX 360 launch, you would think MS would of had better software to show publically. The public version of Perfect Dark was horrible, and despite IGN's mad raving about how the closed doors version was almost at Gears of War level gfx quality, other sites like Shacknews have refuted those claims. Almost all other software was being shown on underpowered hardware units. With only 6 months to launch, the silicon for the CPU/GPU has to be completed and taped out by now. Why werent there any final hardware units out besides at ATi? Also if developers are still using underpowered hardware, do you really think that 6 months is going to be enough time for them to bring out the shown games true potential? Sure developers like Rare and Epic can pull it off but the smaller software houses are going to struggle to bring out true next gen content.

I really wished the XBOX360 had a better public showing. Behind closed doors presentations dont work for systems/software that is supposed to launch in 6 months. Those are better served for games that are still to be shown off at E3 2006.

Course I'm still going to buy an XBOX360 just for the novelty of owning it. :)

[rdtx2002]

Router ? I read that there are 3 ports so that it can act as a hub, not a router.

don't forget PS3 is also wifi and bluetooth

[jerryhussain]

don't forget PS3 is also wifi and bluetooth
Still that does not make it a router.

[rilhouse]

360 will be like the dreamcast, cool at first then sony releases the ps3. i'm still getting a 360, cause you can't not have both.

[Sgt_Strider]

You can't blame MS or Sony for trash talking each other. Although you gotta admit, M$ had no clue what Sony was bringing to the table prior to the start of E3 or else they would have had a better showing.

We are only 6 months away from the XBOX 360 launch, you would think MS would of had better software to show publically. The public version of Perfect Dark was horrible, and despite IGN's mad raving about how the closed doors version was almost at Gears of War level gfx quality, other sites like Shacknews have refuted those claims. Almost all other software was being shown on underpowered hardware units. With only 6 months to launch, the silicon for the CPU/GPU has to be completed and taped out by now. Why werent there any final hardware units out besides at ATi? Also if developers are still using underpowered hardware, do you really think that 6 months is going to be enough time for them to bring out the shown games true potential? Sure developers like Rare and Epic can pull it off but the smaller software houses are going to struggle to bring out true next gen content.

I really wished the XBOX360 had a better public showing. Behind closed doors presentations dont work for systems/software that is supposed to launch in 6 months. Those are better served for games that are still to be shown off at E3 2006.

Course I'm still going to buy an XBOX360 just for the novelty of owning it. :)

Who knows, almost anything can happen between now and the launch. I doubt Microsoft will release Perfect Dark Zero if it's crap. I'm sure they don't want to tarnish the franchise considering they spent so much money buying Rare.

[JayPatel]

http://www.marinij.com/Stories/0,1413,234~24407~2875841,00.html

Factor 5, best known for the "Star Wars: Rogue Squadron" series, has an even bigger announcement. After years of working exclusively with Nintendo, the San Rafael studio is signing on with Sony to develop two original titles for the just-unveiled PlayStation 3. It also has created a non-interactive demonstration that Sony is using to show the system's capabilities.

"It's a huge step up," said Factor 5 President Julian Eggebrecht of the PS3. "It's quite crazy, with production values so high."

As production costs skyrocket and publishers become less willing to pursue original ideas, Eggebrecht said, the opportunity to work with Sony was inviting.

"What's great is that Sony stepped up to the plate and said, 'Hey, we believe in you guys, so why don't we do something original together?'" Eggebrecht said.

Cnet.com

n the wake of the consoles' unveiling, some developers are already leaning toward one platform.

"I was shocked by how powerful the new consoles are," said Julian Eggebrecht, president of the San Rafael, Calif.-based game development company Factor 5. "They should really free our development."

Eggebrecht said his company--which developed "Star Wars: Rogue Squadron" for Nintendo's GameCube--would create games exclusively for Sony's upcoming PlayStation 3.

The choice boiled down to performance, Eggebrecht said at E3 in Los Angeles. His company has worked with Microsoft's Xbox 360, but found PlayStation 3's 3.2GHz Cell chip offered more processing power. The additional performance allows the gang at Factor 5 to more easily simulate the real world for a better game experience, he said.

[sfu_lifer]

http://www.marinij.com/Stories/0,1413,234~24407~2875841,00.html



Cnet.com
Yea when I heard Factor 5 was on-board (and considering how amazing their Star Wars games looked on the 'Cube), I'm expecting near CG quality with their PS3 efforts. Sony was very smart to get them. Their games will attract graphics whores like me to the PS3 (not that it hasn't already) :)

[jerryhussain]

lol, what a load of bullcrap from Factor5.

I bet Factor5's games will also be ported to PC which btw does very less than 1TF of the Xbox 360. Hypocricy. :cheesygri

[DVST8]

Grr....Why did Sony have to use the Spiderman Movie Font...i hate it!!!!!!!!!!
But i'll still buy one..hehehehe :cheesygri

[JayPatel]

Grr....Why did Sony have to use the Spiderman Movie Font...i hate it!!!!!!!!!!
But i'll still buy one..hehehehe :cheesygri

probably not the final font thats going to be used. I kinda like it.

[nfnx]

i think the font will get old fast
they wont keep it.

[jjboy]

I've heard reports as well from other developers saying they were not even using full units to develop (still on the crap G5/ATI PC card combo). So sounds like MS rushed this.
Anyhow, they are wired because people will likely steal the controllers. That's what I read at engadget and various boards that it's wired for theft prevention.
The only games Xbox 360 will lack are the quirky Japanese titles with accessories. Those will likely go to Sony. in terms of hardware upgrades, the original Xbox didn't need an upgrade. Sony and Nintendo did (see HD, memory cards for saving, network adapter, etc).
Folks here are criticizing easily gullible Sony supporters who went "Screw you. You know nothing. That IS realtime. Sony said so that' it's a supercomputer, double the power of Xbox 360, etc..." It's worth it to take what you see in a convention such as this with a grain of salt unless you are actually seeing gameplay footage. Sony is known to pull this kind of crap in order to kill hype for their competitors who got to the next gen ahead of them. Sega's Dreamcast suffered the exact same fate after Sony did their tech demos for the PS2. Instead of Doc Ock, they had the old guy from Final Fantasy the Movie supposedly being rendered realtime by a PS2. Plus Sony game products


Square Enix still hasnt annouced support for the xbox 360, so is very likely that the 360 will be lacking in the rpg department. In fact, there are still far more TOP of the line japanese deveolpers for the ps3 than the 360.

Have fun with your game made my THQ and ACCLAIM

[jjboy]

The entire FF franchise has gone downhill. I don't even consider FF games anymore, and I used to love the series.

Square just isn't providing the same type of quality they used to. From FFX on I found them getting pretty lame.

FF has been pushed as far as it can go IMHO. It's time for some new original games to come out.


Is funny that most people think FF6 is the best FF of all time, and that FF7 is argubly the second greatest FF. Plus FF7 was the game that made RPG into a dominant genre, and I can hardly call it lame.

BTW, if you have been paying attention to ff 12, you will know they are making major tweaks to the combat system and the storyline looks promising.

[Carnage]

Is funny that most people think FF6 is the best FF of all time, and that FF7 is argubly the second greatly FF. Plus FF7 was the game that made RPG into a dominant genre, and I can hardly call it lame.


Yeah, both of those games were classics, and were easilly the best in the series.

It was after FF7 that things started to go downhil. FF8 and FF9 weren't too bad, but were not the same quality as before.

Then FFX was just terrible. The plot was boring and linear, and the voice acting was even more painful than the original Resident Evil.

I'll have a look at FF12, but I'm not really expecting much.

[sfu_lifer]

Square Enix still hasnt annouced support for the xbox 360, so is very likely that the 360 will be lacking in the rpg department. In fact, there are still far more TOP of the line japanese deveolpers for the ps3 than the 360.

Have fun with your game made my THQ and ACCLAIM
HAve you been asleep during E3. The big announcement from MS was support from Square Enix. Sure there are way more traditional Japanese support for the PS3 (that goes without saying actually) but MS is starting to buy/win some support. That's a good start. And what is it with all these fanboyism anyways. Don't we want competition? Competition makes prices better for everyone. I sure as heck want a pricewar between Sony and MS (and even Nintendo). We ALL win.

[jjboy]

HAve you been asleep during E3. The big announcement from MS was support from Square Enix. Sure there are way more traditional Japanese support for the PS3 (that goes without saying actually) but MS is starting to buy/win some support. That's a good start. And what is it with all these fanboyism anyways. Don't we want competition? Competition makes prices better for everyone. I sure as heck want a pricewar between Sony and MS (and even Nintendo). We ALL win.

You are right, I forgot that Square Enix is making a new ff11 for xbox 360. BTW, don't jump to the conclusion and accuse others of being a fanboy. I owned more than 15 consoles from different companies and I don't favor anyone. I simply don't like your negative bias toward sony.

[jjboy]

Yeah, both of those games were classics, and were easilly the best in the series.

It was after FF7 that things started to go downhil. FF8 and FF9 weren't too bad, but were not the same quality as before.

Then FFX was just terrible. The plot was boring and linear, and the voice acting was even more painful than the original Resident Evil.

I'll have a look at FF12, but I'm not really expecting much.

I liked ff7 and ff8 alot. Many didn't like FF8 because is a love story and some didn't like the junction system. Gonna play FFX after I finish MGS 3 :D

[sfu_lifer]

You are right, I forgot that Square Enix is making a new ff11 for xbox 360. BTW, don't jump to the conclusion and accuse others of being a fanboy. I owned more than 15 consoles from different companies and I don't favor anyone. I simply don't like your negative bias toward sony.
I can sense your bias against Xbox/Microsoft.
"Have fun with your game made my THQ and ACCLAIM"
I'm defending MS because they're the only ones strong enough to give Sony some competition and they've financed some pretty good games. Competition = good for everyone.
And just because you own a lot of consoles doesn't make you unbiased. I honestly say I prefer my Gamecube and xbox over my PS2 (mainly because of all the hardware problems I've had starting from the PS1-had to play it upside down until I returned it, to multiple versions of the PS2 and also with the PSP and it's crappy buttons and dead pixels).

I've owned almost all the consoles from NES onward (skipped Neo Geo stuff and the N-Gage was just used for a very little while), I also don't like Sony for driving off Sega ;)
Now let's talk about games:
FF8 (unlikable "hero" for most) for most, sucked hard. Nice theme song though :)
FF9 was too cutesy and annoying. FFX was passable and I'm looking forward to FFXII. I'll play them all whether they suck or not but there is one FF I just couldn't get into, it was FF Crystal Chronicles on the 'Cube. No real storyline makes it crap IMO.
FFXIII for the PS3 is gonna rock.

[wanted]

KillZone, real in-game footage:
http://www.ps3today.com/

jawdropping, i peed my pants.
(not sure if posted)

[Fantaz]

that was stupid.

[sfu_lifer]

KillZone, real in-game footage:
http://www.ps3today.com/

jawdropping, i peed my pants.
(not sure if posted)
LOL that was great.

[P__S__2]

that was stupid.


I agree.

[JayPatel]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/24/news_6126423.html

Good interview. The PS3 will upconvert standard definition video to HD outputs

hopefully it will allow it to run PS2 games in a higher res with maybe anti aliasing applied

[jerryhussain]

KillZone, real in-game footage:
http://www.ps3today.com/

jawdropping, i peed my pants.
(not sure if posted)
hehe funny.

C'mon PS fanboys, you can laugh too. :razz: Or maybe I should find a similar one on Xbox.

[Sgt_Strider]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/24/news_6126423.html

Good interview. The PS3 will upconvert standard definition video to HD outputs

hopefully it will allow it to run PS2 games in a higher res with maybe anti aliasing applied

I agree, I think if would be a nice addition if AA is used in upconverted PS2 games.

[numb555]

hehe funny.

C'mon PS fanboys, you can laugh too. :razz: Or maybe I should find a similar one on Xbox.

Too bad no one cares about the XBOX! and i dont' think there are that many fanboys fanatics like yourself on redflag to care much about a system to make it their cow.

[aok]

Too bad no one cares about the XBOX! and i dont' think there are that many fanboys fanatics like yourself on redflag to care much about a system to make it their cow.

Well at least no one will be tempted to try to eat it or something.

[guest10586]

KillZone, real in-game footage:
http://www.ps3today.com/

jawdropping, i peed my pants.
(not sure if posted)


Predictable. I guess I gotta be a fan of Xbox to laugh... Though seeing this only makes me want to support Sony more. I don't want to be associate to people with such a lame sense of taste...xbox kids...

[numb555]

Predictable. I guess I gotta be a fan of Xbox to laugh... Though seeing this only makes me want to support Sony more. I don't want to be associate to people with such a lame sense of taste...xbox kids...

Its only XBOX fanboys who have a beef(no pun intended) w/ the PS3, I dont' think anyone is going around denouncing the XBOX. I say great for XBOX if they can be successful this generation, it only creates more competition and a better product in the end for everyone. I'm cheering for Nintendo to get its act together w/ better 3rd party this time around, as Sony is the alternative for AAA exclusives.

[jjboy]

I can sense your bias against Xbox/Microsoft.
"Have fun with your game made my THQ and ACCLAIM"
I'm defending MS because they're the only ones strong enough to give Sony some competition and they've financed some pretty good games. Competition = good for everyone.
And just because you own a lot of consoles doesn't make you unbiased. I honestly say I prefer my Gamecube and xbox over my PS2 (mainly because of all the hardware problems I've had starting from the PS1-had to play it upside down until I returned it, to multiple versions of the PS2 and also with the PSP and it's crappy buttons and dead pixels).

I've owned almost all the consoles from NES onward (skipped Neo Geo stuff and the N-Gage was just used for a very little while), I also don't like Sony for driving off Sega ;)
Now let's talk about games:
FF8 (unlikable "hero" for most) for most, sucked hard. Nice theme song though :)
FF9 was too cutesy and annoying. FFX was passable and I'm looking forward to FFXII. I'll play them all whether they suck or not but there is one FF I just couldn't get into, it was FF Crystal Chronicles on the 'Cube. No real storyline makes it crap IMO.
FFXIII for the PS3 is gonna rock.

ahha Yes I don't like the xbox. I dont know why but I think is too "American" :cheesygri I don't think Sony killed Sega. It is SEga to blame for the bad marketing. Is still depressing to see Sega leave the console scene though, because dreamcast is one of my favorite consoles and there are so many great games on it.

BTW I don't think that to most ff8 sucked hard. I know there are ff8 fans in the ff community

[sfu_lifer]

I agree, I think if would be a nice addition if AA is used in upconverted PS2 games.
Wasn't there some feature as well on the PS2 that supposedly enhanced PS1 games? I haven't seen much of a difference playing PS1 games on the PS2 (or was the feature just faster load times?)

[JayPatel]

Wasn't there some feature as well on the PS2 that supposedly enhanced PS1 games? I haven't seen much of a difference playing PS1 games on the PS2 (or was the feature just faster load times?)

you have to turn it on in the systems settings...it basically was a version of bilinear filtering where it would smooth out the textures in the PS1 games

[jerryhussain]

Too bad no one cares about the XBOX! and i dont' think there are that many fanboys fanatics like yourself on redflag to care much about a system to make it their cow.
lol, I guess fanboyism so in the blood that sense of humor is out of the window. Sad, you & other fanboys couldnt get a laugh out of it.

I am not buying any of the three consoles as of now, I havent made up my mind so early and I am not a fan of any of the consoles.

I just dont buy the Sony's BS hype.

[jerryhussain]

Here is one good news/speculation about the PS3:

PS3 to have same launch price of $370

Report says Sony will price the PS3 under 40,000 yen, raising speculation that it might launch at the same price as its previous two consoles.

Last week, the Mainichi Daily News quoted Sony Computer Entertainment officials as saying the PlayStation 3 would be priced at under 50,000 yen ($465.58). Now it appears that the console may be even cheaper when it goes on sale next year.


Today, Japanese Web site Impress PC Watch reported that SCE has told its business partners that the PS3 will be under 40,000 yen ($370) at launch. The news has spurred speculation that the company might launch the machine with the same price it set for the PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Both machines were priced at 39,800 yen ($368) when they launched in 1994 and 2000, respectively.

Sony's PS3 will be competing with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Revolution in the next-generation console wars. When it launched in Japan in 2002, Microsoft's current-generation Xbox was priced at 34,800 yen ($322). The company has been shaving down the console's cost since then, and it currently sells at 17,640 yen ($163).

Nintendo's GameCube made its debut in 2001 at 25,000 yen ($231)--the lowest launch price of the three current-generation home consoles. The GameCube continues to be the lowest priced console on the market, currently marked down to 14,000 yen ($130). Nintendo has never priced any of its past consoles higher than 25,000 yen at launch, which could well be the same case for the Revolution. During E3, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata stated that he hopes to "keep the Revolution at a price range that anyone can reach out for, and nothing as high as 50,000 yen ($463)."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/24/news_6126410.html

[taro-chan]

39,800 yen ... seems too low for the the total developmental costs of the PS3. They will probably lose money on every PS3 sold, but they'll milk you for all you're worth when buy the other 6 bluetooth boomerangs. =S

Cheaper console, expensive accessories. Classic Sony.

[sfu_lifer]

39,800 yen ... seems too low for the the total developmental costs of the PS3. They will probably lose money on every PS3 sold, but they'll milk you for all you're worth when buy the other 6 bluetooth boomerangs. =S

Cheaper console, expensive accessories. Classic Sony.
I'm all for console manufacturer subsidies. I hope Sony subsidizes the PS3 and MS the 360. Nintendo will likely price at cost so I'll just wait for their clearance pricedrop :P

[JayPatel]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/05/25/rsx_still_in_development/

prepare for the backlash... The E3 demos were not even done on an alpha RSX GPU. During the press conference and all the other tech demo's, the system was being powered by an SLI version of Nvidia's upcoming G70 high end PC chipset

[jerryhussain]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/05/25/rsx_still_in_development/

prepare for the backlash... The E3 demos were not even done on an alpha RSX GPU. During the press conference and all the other tech demo's, the system was being powered by an SLI version of Nvidia's upcoming G70 high end PC chipset
Tim Sweeney was also lying through his teeth then, I bet the TWIMTBP is paying for all of it. ;)

[numb555]

ofcourse the hardware is not finalized yet, they are running on equivalent hardware which is a dual 6800GT just like the XBOX running on a PowerPC, I thought everyone and their grandmothers knew that.

[guest10586]

ofcourse the hardware is not finalized yet, they are running on equivalent hardware which is a dual 6800GT just like the XBOX running on a PowerPC, I thought everyone and their grandmothers knew that.


My grandma didn't know but she is dead...just like the future of the mini GBA...

[numb555]

My grandma didn't know but she is dead...just like the future of the mini GBA...


I think the mini GBA is cute, great gifts for my nephew and niece.

[jerryhussain]

ofcourse the hardware is not finalized yet, they are running on equivalent hardware which is a dual 6800GT just like the XBOX running on a PowerPC, I thought everyone and their grandmothers knew that.
Only fanboys bug their grandmothers with nerdy news :razz:

I didnt know they were running on 6800 Ultras in SLI, I remember Tim Sweeney said something on the lines of ... this is running on the actual PS3 ...

[jb22]

Only fanboys bug their grandmothers with nerdy news :razz:

I didnt know they were running on 6800 Ultras in SLI, I remember Tim Sweeney said something on the lines of ... this is running on the actual PS3 ...

Sony has stated that the demos where running at to ro close to system specs. I have heard many Sony individuals state that the final products of games like Killzone will look exactly like of not better then the demos at E3. I don't know if this is true or not as I haven't been able to travel into the future to see final products so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[jerryhussain]

Sony has stated that the demos where running at to ro close to system specs. I have heard many Sony individuals state that the final products of games like Killzone will look exactly like of not better then the demos at E3. I don't know if this is true or not as I haven't been able to travel into the future to see final products so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Nobody has seen the future, but Sony is pulling the same kind of tricks again as they did when they launched PS2:

KillZone 1 CG Demo
http://img9.echo.cx/img9/844/91876220040219screen013a6fu.jpg

KillZone 1 In game graphics
http://img9.echo.cx/img9/6632/91876220040915screen0134kl.jpg

Just dont get your hopes up ;)

[rilhouse]

Nobody has seen the future, but Sony is pulling the same kind of tricks again as they did when they launched PS2:
Just dont get your hopes up ;)

whats your point b/c killzone was not a PS2 launch title? :confused:

[Carnage]

whats your point b/c killzone was not a PS2 launch title? :confused:

He's not reffering to Killzone specifically.

Sony over hyped the graphics of the PS2 when it launched.

[mark_in_2k]

Sony over hyped the graphics of the PS2 when it launched.
Remember the tech demo of the old man before the PS2 launched? A lot of people were wowed by that demo. We never saw those kind of graphics on the PS2 within a game, but at least it was running on a PS2 at the time.

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2526/untitled1copy2sz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Killzone2 on the otherhand, was not running on PS3 hardware, so we may never see those quality of graphics. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[taro-chan]

Anyone remember Emotion Engine for PS2?....

ya.. so.. expect really terrible launch games for PS3 due to new hardware architecture. Too much hype... also, watch SCE delay the launch of PS3.. they say March now.. but that's prob some plot to stop you from buying 360 or Rev (whenever that comes out)

[Fantaz]

Fake! (http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36063&subsectionid=1585)

[rdtx2002]

Anyone remember Emotion Engine for PS2?....

ya.. so.. expect really terrible launch games for PS3 due to new hardware architecture. Too much hype... also, watch SCE delay the launch of PS3.. they say March now.. but that's prob some plot to stop you from buying 360 or Rev (whenever that comes out)

you clearly have no clue..

[jerryhussain]

you clearly have no clue..
Nice irony there. :lol: :cheesygri

[plisk3n]

Remember the tech demo of the old man before the PS2 launched? A lot of people were wowed by that demo. We never saw those kind of graphics on the PS2 within a game, but at least it was running on a PS2 at the time.

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2526/untitled1copy2sz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)



You sir are wrong:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/092302/silenthill3/sh3_screen006.jpg
Real time cutscene From Silent Hill 3.

Every PS2 tech demo has been surpassed by developers.

[mark_in_2k]

You sir are wrong:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/092302/silenthill3/sh3_screen006.jpg
Real time cutscene From Silent Hill 3.

Every PS2 tech demo has been surpassed by developers.
But this is a cut scene. The player has absolutley no control of the scene. You can't pan the camera, zoom in or out, etc. It may have been rendered using a PS2's capabilities, but without any user control it seems redundant.

The one thing I liked about the PS3 presentation was the demo using the Unreal3 engine where they panned around the scene. However, we didn't actually see the guy with the controller in hand playing with the camera mode.

I guess Sony has made me wary of what to believe.

[sfu_lifer]

You sir are wrong:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/092302/silenthill3/sh3_screen006.jpg
Real time cutscene From Silent Hill 3.

Every PS2 tech demo has been surpassed by developers.
Please. The PS2 tech demo is still better than that cut scene from Silent Hill.
The old man was very detailed, you can see lots of polys for the strands of hair and the facial animation was amazing. Nothing mindblowing about that dude from Silent Hill IMO.

[plisk3n]

Please. The PS2 tech demo is still better than that cut scene from Silent Hill.
The old man was very detailed, you can see lots of polys for the strands of hair and the facial animation was amazing. Nothing mindblowing about that dude from Silent Hill IMO.

Naw man, I think your nostalgia goggles are hindering your vision. ;)

If you want, I can post the original mpegs of the PS2 tech demo and you can see for yourself. Reiko Nagase and that Final Fantasy guy looks really dated and many games have already surpassed them overall.

Actually I'll post them for you guys to look and laugh at:

http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37VLZHX2XQNDU2RGVMDX6PUA1N

The FF8 real time dance scene & Gran Turismo looks so terrible in the demo also. LOL!

[jjboy]

But this is a cut scene. The player has absolutley no control of the scene. You can't pan the camera, zoom in or out, etc. It may have been rendered using a PS2's capabilities, but without any user control it seems redundant.

The one thing I liked about the PS3 presentation was the demo using the Unreal3 engine where they panned around the scene. However, we didn't actually see the guy with the controller in hand playing with the camera mode.

I guess Sony has made me wary of what to believe.

The cut scene shows that the hardware of the game is capable of rendering such scenes in real time. FYI, perfect dark 0 was choppy as well when it was shown in e3.

"
Please. The PS2 tech demo is still better than that cut scene from Silent Hill.
The old man was very detailed, you can see lots of polys for the strands of hair and the facial animation was amazing. Nothing mindblowing about that dude from Silent Hill IMO."

You should compare them again. The old man is silent hill looks as good imo. Plus also consider that theres also a background in the silent hill cutscene.


Why are there so many xbox fanboys crapping in a ps3 thread :?:

[jjboy]

Remember the tech demo of the old man before the PS2 launched? A lot of people were wowed by that demo. We never saw those kind of graphics on the PS2 within a game, but at least it was running on a PS2 at the time.

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2526/untitled1copy2sz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Killzone2 on the otherhand, was not running on PS3 hardware, so we may never see those quality of graphics. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

wth are you talking about?

The hardware running on kill zone is inferior to the actual ps3. I believe that machine was using sli gt6800.....

[jerryhussain]

Why are there so many xbox fanboys crapping in a ps3 thread :?:
Stop with the accusations. There has been too much of that already.

[BoxsterS]

The cut scene shows that the hardware of the game is capable of rendering such scenes in real time. FYI, perfect dark 0 was choppy as well when it was shown in e3.

"
Please. The PS2 tech demo is still better than that cut scene from Silent Hill.
The old man was very detailed, you can see lots of polys for the strands of hair and the facial animation was amazing. Nothing mindblowing about that dude from Silent Hill IMO."

You should compare them again. The old man is silent hill looks as good imo. Plus also consider that theres also a background in the silent hill cutscene.


Why are there so many xbox fanboys crapping in a ps3 thread :?:


You're either being an idiot or you have difficulty processing the truth.

At a J.P. Morgan technology conference, NVIDIA's CFO Marv Burkett said the PlayStation 3's RSX (the hardware's GPU) isn't finished, still remains in development, and no silicon of the chip is available yet, reports Bit-Tech. Incomplete hardware comes as no surprise, but it does raise questions about what was powering the demonstrations on-hand at Sony's press conference.

The RSX GPU hasn't even been fabricated and yet you continue to ******** about the capability of a console that doesn't even exist. I wouldn't be surprised if you're still waiting for your Phantom to arrive. The entire demo was either CG or rendered using Nvidia PC hardware. But, probably the most pathetic part was when the Sony executives started claiming that their demo's were running in real time on actual PS3 hardware. Their statement was later altered to state that the games were running at PS3 specification. Then we find out that the entire live demo's were running on PC hardware. The entire presentation was based on lies. I can only imagine what the people that "were blown away" at the PS3 press conference are thinking now. Yes, they were punked by Sony again. You think people would have learned from being punked at the PS2 press conference, but lemmings and getting punked just go hand in hand.

[Carnage]

but lemmings and getting punked just go hand in hand.

All I can think of now is those 16 bit lemmings walking single file to their doom, along with the cheesy music. ;)

[jjboy]

Stop with the accusations. There has been too much of that already.


I wasn't referring to anyone specifically. There's simply too much ps3 bashing in this thread.

[jjboy]

You're either being an idiot or you have difficulty processing the truth

Why don't you go fvck yourself. :lol: Are you some sort of authority figure that gives you the power to judge what is better and expects others to agree with you? The world doesn't revolve around you , son. :cheesygri

[Carnage]

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically. There's simply too much ps3 bashing in this thread.

It's not rather bashing for the most part, but pointing out facts.

Though I beleive there's just as much Xbox360 bashing going on in the xbox thread.

[jjboy]

It's not rather bashing for the most part, but pointing out facts.

Though I beleive there's just as much Xbox360 bashing going on in the xbox thread.


I don't think there should be bashing at all. Both side got their fans so is really pointless to try to convince others which is better.

[Carnage]

I don't think there should be bashing at all. Both side got their fans so is really pointless to try to convince others which is better.

I agree.

But there is always going to be discusions of this nature. Especially when it comes to shady marketing strategies(which both Sony and MS are guilty of from time to time).

[BoxsterS]

Why don't you go fvck yourself. :lol: Are you some sort of authority figure that gives you the power to judge what is better and expects others to agree with you? The world doesn't revolve around you , son. :cheesygri

You're not the smartest smartie in the box are you? I mean, if you had any intellect whatsoever it would come through in your messages. There comes a time when you need to accept the facts and stop pumping a machine that doesn't even exist. Unfortunately, you're so ignorant of the facts, as well as technical information about the console you're pumping, that discussing this is a waste of time. Now, jump off the cliff, you ******* lemming.

[Carnage]

You're not the smartest smartie in the box are you? I mean, if you had any intellect whatsoever it would come through in your messages. There comes a time when you need to accept the facts and stop pumping a machine that doesn't even exist. Unfortunately, you're so ignorant of the facts, as well as technical information about the console you're pumping, that discussing this is a waste of time. Now, jump off the cliff, you ******* lemming.

Man you should really bring it down a noch.

Haven't you been warned before about attacking people like that? Seems you do it alot.

[jerryhussain]

We all agree on one thing: we cannot change anybody's opinion, right ?

So lets move on and if you find anything related to PS3, Xbox 360 ... please share them in the respective threads. :)

[BoxsterS]

Man you should really bring it down a noch.

Haven't you been warned before about attacking people like that? Seems you do it alot.

I would ask you what you're talking about, but I don't think you really do. Yes, I called the PS3 poster boy, who didn't know anything about the console he was pumping, an idiot. It then proceeded to drop the F bomb due to his inability to formulate a reply. This guy seems to think that anything negative said about the PS3 is due to the bias of an Xbox fanboy. Guess what, if you're going to defend a console, try and back it up with facts - kind of hard though, when the console doesn't even exist.

[numb555]

I know i'm a Nintendo fanboy! but some of you out there are so hardcore...taking everything so personally!

Please relax..and enjoy the next generation of games, i'm sure it will be a good one!!! In the words of Rodney King, can't we all get along??? c'mon ninfanboy,stationboys, and xboys.....GROUP HUG!

Waddaya say?

[Carnage]

Guess what, if you're going to defend a console, try and back it up with facts - kind of hard though, when the console doesn't even exist.

I'd agree with that comment if we were talking about the Phantom.

I wouldn't say the PS3 doesn't exist. It does exist, and it's specs are fairly certain. At least just as certain as the Xbox360.

Everything is speculation at this point.

[taro-chan]

ya.. so.. expect really terrible launch games for PS3 due to new hardware architecture. Too much hype... also, watch SCE delay the launch of PS3.. they say March now.. but that's prob some plot to stop you from buying 360 or Rev (whenever that comes out)you clearly have no clue..
Please... explain to me what that statement means. Look at the PS2 launch games and compare to the PS2 games now. There IS a difference. If you think, the developers for PS3 will be able to use the fully capabilties of the system, you are dead wrong. There is no way, that they can use the full features of any machine at launch. Even Nintendo wasn't able to use GC to the max and hence released Windwaker.

PS3 isn't like XBOX where its just a PC. It has completely new architecture. If you know anything about programmable logic and computing in general, you should know that the memory management for that will be different. Game developers don't just deal solely with the application software, they have to be able to memory manage the system, program the hardware optimize the perfermance. Cell processing is a NEW architecture. New logic designs, new pipelines, new everything. It'll take time to develop games for this and if you think the devkits for PS3 will solve this problem.... hahaha.. ok..

As for my comment about the possible PS3 launch delay, it is completely possible. From a marketing stand point, that is the only way to compete against a 360 early launch. 360 will be the xmas gift, but if SCE tells everyone that their PS3 is coming in Feb or something, then there will be people that will bypass the 360 and wait on the PS3. Only when after the holiday season, they will announce the delay of the PS3. Thus, it will decrease slightly the amount of 360 sales. It's a business strategy. That's all it is. It could happen and if it does, it may not do much, but it is damage control.

[jjboy]

You're not the smartest smartie in the box are you? I mean, if you had any intellect whatsoever it would come through in your messages. There comes a time when you need to accept the facts and stop pumping a machine that doesn't even exist. Unfortunately, you're so ignorant of the facts, as well as technical information about the console you're pumping, that discussing this is a waste of time. Now, jump off the cliff, you ******* lemming.

Wow, that's a brilliant rebuttal. Look at what you wrote in this message. " Smartest smartie" What kind of corny phrase is this? Also, is just off "a" cliff. Please learn the difference between the article "a" and "the". :D

BTW, I wasn't blindly defending the PS3. I merely pointed out that IMO, the old man in the silent hill 3 cutscene looked just as good as good as the old man in the tech demo. You then proceeded to call me an idiot because I shared a different opinion. So who's the troll here?

Do you talk with such arrogance in real life? Are you one of those nerdy kids who likes to act tough in cyberspace to boast your ego? :confused:

[rilhouse]

lol @ the fanboys fighting. :D

[CSR]

I know i'm a Nintendo fanboy! but some of you out there are so hardcore...taking everything so personally!




Please relax..and enjoy the next generation of games, i'm sure it will be a good one!!! In the words of Rodney King, can't we all get along??? c'mon ninfanboy,stationboys, and xboys.....GROUP HUG!

Waddaya say?


What he said..

[sfu_lifer]

I'd agree with that comment if we were talking about the Phantom.

I wouldn't say the PS3 doesn't exist. It does exist, and it's specs are fairly certain. At least just as certain as the Xbox360.

Everything is speculation at this point.
Actually the Xbox 360 is DONE. The PS3 is clearly not.
As a game CEO mentioned, the Cell was supposed to do just about everything for the PS3 but the closer they got to creating it, the more they realized it couldn't do everything and they still needed a very powerful GPU to assist it.
Hence the delay of the nvidia part. Sure it's based on PC technology (just very souped up) so they can at least get a head start to developing on the PS3.
360 is different in that there is no PC part that can approximate what the GPU can do.
I don't think we can really defend either until we are actually playing the games. Just warning those of you expecting Killzone 2 level graphics at launch in gameplay shots, to lower your expectations a tad.

[BoxsterS]

Wow, that's a brilliant rebuttal. Look at what you wrote in this message. " Smartest smartie" What kind of corny phrase is this?

Should I look at what I wrote or read it again?


Also, is just off "a" cliff. Please learn the difference between the article "a" and "the". :D

Right after you learn the difference between "is" and "it's". Also, your opening sentences are riddled with grammatical errors:

Wow, that's a brilliant rebuttal. Look at what you wrote in this message. " Smartest smartie"

No smarties for you.

BTW, I really don't like playing the spelling and grammar game, but you played the hand. :)


BTW, I wasn't blindly defending the PS3. I merely pointed out that IMO, the old man in the silent hill 3 cutscene looked just as good as good as the old man in the tech demo. You then proceeded to call me an idiot because I shared a different opinion. So who's the troll here?

You called everyone who questioned the power of the PS3 an Xbox fanboy. Also, I didn't call you an idiot because you had a different opinion. I called you an idiot because you didn't know anything about the specifications or truth about the console you were pumping. Did you even know that the RSX GPU wasn't even fabricated? Did you know that the Killzone demo was all CG? Did you know that the Tim Sweeney Unreal demo was done using Nvidia PC hardware?


Do you talk with such arrogance in real life? Are you one of those nerdy kids who likes to act tough in cyberspace to boast :confused: your ego? :confused:

Not really, I just like to know what I'm talking about. If I hurt your feelings then I'm sorry, but don't take it personally. Console discussions usually get heated.

[jjboy]

"Right after you learn the difference between "is" and "it's". Also, your opening sentences are riddled with grammatical errors:"

Yes I made a typo. I used is instead of its and just instead of jump. Thanks for pointing that out.

[jerryhussain]

Moving away from the hard disk, Chatani is asked to comment a little on the system's controversial controller. "I don't think there will be any fundamental changes," he answers in response to a question on the possibility of changes to the controller's design, "but it's a prototype, so there could be some small adjustments."

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/621/621155p1.html

The boomerang is the final design for the PS3 controller.

[gordholio]

Enjoy whatever gaming system you get. Who cares which is the best!
They're all very good.
Young people - you should have been around when video games were in their infancy (the early Eighties or so). I remember the first game that we got and hooked up to the back of our TV. It was just a little dot going across the screen and you had to move the line to hit it - it was a crude form of "tennis", but people were happy to have something to play.
Young people are very fortunate to have all the gaming systems that are out these days. They are way more realistic than the games of 20 years ago.
Just enjoy and be happy.

[oppositeset]

hey guys i need ur help

i've never owned xbox or ps2 and i want to buy one of these 2 in a week or so, so i want ur suggestions
there r few ppl who support ps2 other say xbox is better
what i need to ask u guys is tht

1. is it possible to modify hard disk of ps2 and save games on it?
2. i think its possible to modify hard disk of xbox and save games, am i right?
3. the new slim design ps2 is now available everywhere... i've heard tht it shuts down automatically after heating up after like 3-4 hours of continous play, is it correct?
4. when are ps3 and xbox 360 releasing ?

Thanks for ur time

[vancouverforsale]

Enjoy whatever gaming system you get. Who cares which is the best!
They're all very good.
Young people - you should have been around when video games were in their infancy (the early Eighties or so). I remember the first game that we got and hooked up to the back of our TV. It was just a little dot going across the screen and you had to move the line to hit it - it was a crude form of "tennis", but people were happy to have something to play.
Young people are very fortunate to have all the gaming systems that are out these days. They are way more realistic than the games of 20 years ago.
Just enjoy and be happy.
It's called PONG, it was the first video game ever released and is the best, or one of them.

[oppositeset]

whats the diff. b/w modded and un-modded xbox which one is better ?

[Fantaz]

oppositeset, if you're starting out you should just get an unmodded PS2 or Xbox depending on which games interest you and become familiar with the system. I say don't mod it unless you absolutely need to. It's just not worth the time, money and hastle for newcomers.

You shouldn't have any problems with the slim PS2 if it's kept in a normal well ventilated area. Personally with this generation I'd go with PS2 because Microsoft is discontinuing Xbox in preperation for Xbox 360, so less new games for the platform. While PS2 is supported by more developers and Sony will continue to keep their console on the market until 2008!

[vonteego]

hey guys i need ur help

i've never owned xbox or ps2 and i want to buy one of these 2 in a week or so, so i want ur suggestions
there r few ppl who support ps2 other say xbox is better
what i need to ask u guys is tht

1. is it possible to modify hard disk of ps2 and save games on it?
2. i think its possible to modify hard disk of xbox and save games, am i right?
3. the new slim design ps2 is now available everywhere... i've heard tht it shuts down automatically after heating up after like 3-4 hours of continous play, is it correct?4. when are ps3 and xbox 360 releasing ?

Thanks for ur time

In answer to #3, I've had a slim PS2 for 8 months now, over 120 hours of use, and it's running perfectly. So that "shutdown" claim is a rumour.

[spaceman spiff]

Forgive me if someone already asked...i didn't want to go through 20+ pages of posts :cheesygri

But if I recall, when the PS2's were first introduced, didn't the US government initially ban the sale of PS2's to China and other countries because of the processing power of the PS2 or was that just a hoax and a PR stunt. If that were true, I can imagine the government doing the same with the PS3 and the Xbox360

[x-batman]

Looks like there wont be any internet HD included in the PS3

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000833046205/

[rilhouse]

sony really f'ed up the HDD on PS2, will they make the same mistake again?
Kutaragi makes no sense. :confused:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

mpress PC Watch: The PlayStation 3 has some extremely high specifications, but it doesn't come with a HDD. Why?

Ken Kutaragi: We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough. The next step is definitely network drives. With the Cell server, they can be accessed from anywhere, via network. Whether it's your own house, your friend's house, you can access the [network hard drive] anywhere. That's the kind of world we're imagining. But there are still some issues if the machine doesn't come with a HDD. So this time, we've added a 2.5 inch HDD bay so that users can equip HDDs such as 80GB and 120GB, even though that's still not enough [capacity]. Although a network drive would allow for terabytes of storage, there's still the necessity to run an operating system offline. A hard drive for running an OS will be required for [the PS3] to be recognized as a computer.

IPCW: Do you mean to say that you'll run an OS on the PS3 to use it as a computer?

KK: I believe its wrong that, while we've been calling PlayStations "computers," Nintendo, which is in our same business, keeps telling the world their consoles are "toys." So even though we're making something that has the capability to be recognized as a supercomputer and requires paperwork when exporting or importing, the government sees it as a "toy." The PlayStation 2 has something as great as the Emotion Engine, and it can even run Linux, but it's still considered a gaming machine. I thought that the situation would become better since Microsoft appeared [in the gaming industry] from the IT field. But they won't say it either, since they want to protect their business. They see problems if the Xbox could run Windows, so they keep calling the Xbox a "game machine." It is really a pain in the neck. This time, we're positioning the PS3 as a "supercomputer." But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need a HDD. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the PS3's HDD] pre-installed with Linux as a bonus.

IPCW: So Linux can be run on the Cell.

KK: Linux is legacy, but it will be a start. In the case of the Cell, operation systems are applications. The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger (Max OS X 10.4), if the publishers want to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out.

IPCW: Does that mean that we can expect applications that take advantage of the Cell, aside from games?

KK: As an example, HD video editing software is basically the same as the non-linear editing system used in broadcasting stations. What we're trying to do on the PS3 is that level of software. Non-linear editing systems are incredible, but if it was done on the Cell, it would be even more incredible....The difference will be obvious. I think other PC applications like photo-retouching software will also be able to be done on the PS3. The user interface will also get interesting. In the case of the PC, users will have to wait for years between XP's UI to Longhorn's. But the PS3's UI will evolve much faster. For example, if we had an interface where we could control applications using gestures and words using the Eye Toy, it would be like Minority Report. Of course, that kind of an evolution will also reflect on games. This will be the first form that [the Cell] will be spread. It can connect a keyboard, and it has all the necessary interfaces. It can run media, and it can run on a network. It's got such an all-around purpose, and it's open. It will become completely open if we equip it with Linux, and programmers will be able to do anything with it. It's the same thing with the graphics since it's got the shaders.

[guest10586]

Looks like there wont be any internet HD included in the PS3

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000833046205/

I dunno, it sorta makes sense, it sort of doesn't. I think they should bundle a HD with release of the system along with a game.

Look at xbox though, 8 gig HD wasn't really enough. Lots of people I know put in a 40+ gig drive.

[taro-chan]

The PlayStation 2 has something as great as the Emotion Engine, and it can even run Linux, but it's still considered a gaming machine.Uh huh...
EE = hype.
PS2 Linux was launched in Japan and guess how well that sold.

No HDD on PS3 is probably to reduce cost. They are going to milk you for all you are worth, *sigh*. Talk of network drives just means one more thing. They'll charge you for network drive storage space. I can so see PS3 costing way too much.

[mark_in_2k]

Look at xbox though, 8 gig HD wasn't really enough. Lots of people I know put in a 40+ gig drive.
That's because people are modding their Xboxes and then installing games onto the HD.

If you were playing on a non-modded Xbox, 8GB is plently of space for lots of save games, custom soundtracks and Xbox dld content.

I believe that the reason the PS3 won't be coming with a HDD is cos of price. By the time the PS3 launches, X360 will have a fair number of consoles sold and it will be a lower price. PS3 will probably launch at a higher price WITHOUT a HDD, so Sony will try to "fool" the buyer into getting a cheap PS3, but then they have to add a HDD at extra cost to get the most out of the games.

[rilhouse]

the problem with not having a HDD included is that developers will not bother to support it with content b/c of the limited number of people with one compared to the overall installed base. thats what happened to the PS2 HDD, there was lots of promises but nothing came. ken's argument of "no HDD will be big enough" therefore will give you none makes no sense. :confused:

[Sgt_Strider]

the problem with not having a HDD included is that developers will not bother to support it with content b/c of the limited number of people with one compared to the overall installed base. thats what happened to the PS2 HDD, there was lots of promises but nothing came. ken's argument of "no HDD will be big enough" therefore will give you none makes no sense. :confused:

I agree with you in that Sony is making a big mistake by not including a hard drive with the system. It may cut costs down, but then again it'll discourage developers from taking advantage of the hard drive like back in the PS2 days. The system won't launch until next year so hopefully Sony realize this is going to be a big mistake and end up making the hard drive standard. Even if the system is $50 more and it includes a hard drive, I believe it'll still be competitive with the xbox 360 if Microsoft launches xbx360 at $299.99 USD and Sony launches PS3 at $349.99 USD.

The weird thing is that the network adapter was launched separately and it did sell reasonably well..

[Fantaz]

Sony doesn't want to bundle a hard drive because they know that technology will drastically change in the future and capacities will become much larger. Copying over several blu-ray discs would be too big for the drives we currently have on the market.

When he said that Linux would come pre-installed then that may mean they will be releasing official Sony PS3 hard drives. Very interested on how this will effect the resulting flood of hacks, dev tools, emulators, media center applications, indie games, and the like.

[rilhouse]

The weird thing is that the network adapter was launched separately and it did sell reasonably well..

prolly due to the fact that the NA was alot cheaper. the only way to get the PS2 HDD was with FFXI and that cost 160$ (when it first came out). i got so pissed that i sold all my PS2 stuff after Sony failed to give the promised media player and kept removing promised HDD support from games.

i think the main selling point of PS3 is going to be blue-ray/hd-dvd (or whatever the merged format becomes) b/c it will make the price of PS3 seem reasonable (even if it's 500$+) when compared to the expensive first gen standalone players.

[P__S__2]

check this out.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

[sfu_lifer]

check this out.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html
Sony's promising everything with the PS3. I hope they do a decent job unlike the PSP's mp3 function. It's a POS to use.

[mark_in_2k]

the problem with not having a HDD included is that developers will not bother to support it with content b/c of the limited number of people with one compared to the overall installed base. thats what happened to the PS2 HDD, there was lots of promises but nothing came. ken's argument of "no HDD will be big enough" therefore will give you none makes no sense. :confused:
The Xbox has a HDD as standard and yet developers still did not fully utilize it. About the only way they used it was for saving games, custom soundtracks and ocassionally for cacheing of files. There's hasn't been anything truly innovative that has been put to good use on the Xbox with the HDD (not counting a modded Xbox ;))

[sfu_lifer]

The Xbox has a HDD as standard and yet developers still did not fully utilize it. About the only way they used it was for saving games, custom soundtracks and ocassionally for cacheing of files. There's hasn't been anything truly innovative that has been put to good use on the Xbox with the HDD (not counting a modded Xbox ;))
I guess you don't use Live! and the downloadable content? I found that very innovative (for a console).

[guest10586]

prolly due to the fact that the NA was alot cheaper. the only way to get the PS2 HDD was with FFXI and that cost 160$ (when it first came out). i got so pissed that i sold all my PS2 stuff after Sony failed to give the promised media player and kept removing promised HDD support from games.

i think the main selling point of PS3 is going to be blue-ray/hd-dvd (or whatever the merged format becomes) b/c it will make the price of PS3 seem reasonable (even if it's 500$+) when compared to the expensive first gen standalone players.


The worse is still Nintendo, no HD but instead of that they will use flash memory...ouch.

Sony and their choice of the 2.5" HD, those are expensive...

[rilhouse]

The Xbox has a HDD as standard and yet developers still did not fully utilize it. About the only way they used it was for saving games, custom soundtracks and ocassionally for cacheing of files. There's hasn't been anything truly innovative that has been put to good use on the Xbox with the HDD (not counting a modded Xbox ;))

i think the HDD is going to be used alot more in Xbox360 b/c of it's media center abilities. that's the only thing PS3 doesn't have is a link to a OS like winxp. thats how microsoft uses it's OS monopoly to gain ground in other areas.

i don't beleive for a second all this sony BS about PS3 running OSX or Win. microsoft will never release a Cell ver of Win and with apple all aborad Intel no OSX for PS3. just Linux for PS3.

[plucky duck]

Anybody know it's possible to convert a Real media player *.rm file to PSP *.mp4 format? Thanks!

[webdoctors]

heard PS3 HDD will come preloaded with Linux :D

[jerryhussain]

PS3 devkit:

http://img132.echo.cx/img132/7424/ps3devkit0oq.jpg

2.4GHz Cell
Underclocked RSX connected via PCI-Express

That is all I could translate, if you are good at Jap then try this link:
http://blogs.itmedia.co.jp/honda/2005/06/5_df9a.html

[Carnage]

wow is that ever a giant ugly block of metal.

Though it's a dev kit so who cares.

[JayPatel]

http://www.jeux-france.com/images2_4_10872.html

[BoxsterS]

wow is that ever a giant ugly block of metal.

Though it's a dev kit so who cares.

They needed a box big enough to hold the GeForce PC cards in.

[jerryhussain]

http://www.jeux-france.com/images2_4_10872.html
lol

"sped up from 5fps to 60fps"

:lol:

[JayPatel]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2461&p=3

must read article, this one starts 3 pages in.

[jb22]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2461&p=3

must read article, this one starts 3 pages in.

I'll wait for the games to come out before making a judgment call.

[jerryhussain]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2461&p=3

must read article, this one starts 3 pages in.

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/6586/anand9xu.png

:lol:

[sfu_lifer]

I dunno Anand. This sounds too much like console bashing to me.
Presenting "facts" are ok (even then, quoting "anonymous developers" who've probably worked with alpha kits for not even a month leaves little credibility to me).
Proof of the pudding is in the eating. When the 360 launches with titles like PGR3 and GoW, I'd be willing to bet there won't be an equivalent looking PC title for quite some time (even running on the highest-end PC).
The PC will take back the crown eventually but when the consoles launch with console-driven software (unlike PC engine ports), it's a different ballgame.
It's hilarious. On many gaming boards, the 360 and PS3 fans have united in their condemnation :twisted:

[jb22]

I just think it's odd that people are trying to state what the hardware for any of the systems can do considering that no final hardware is out - I'm not sure if the 360 kits are running final spec yet?

Any way, I really think it's all too early to really judge - I also don't think you can use "numbers" to tell what a system can do. I mean if you looked at the PS2's specs 5 years ago, I think you'd be shocked to see games like GOW or GT4 running they way they do on that hardware today.

I really think this "debate" is happening about 8 months too early.

[jerryhussain]

I dunno Anand. This sounds too much like console bashing to me.
It is infact just that.

You will not believe how hard people were laughing their ass off on some of his "theories". :lol:

[dvdvideo]

Must read and toss in the garbage.....I love it when articles don't really back up what they are saying...

[jerryhussain]

Anandtech just removed those two articles. :cheesygri

[Fantaz]

http://www.totalgaming.co.uk/images/uploads/gtanextgen.jpg

Grand Theft Auto next-gen?

[jerryhussain]

http://www.totalgaming.co.uk/images/uploads/gtanextgen.jpg

Grand Theft Auto next-gen?
Looks like a hack-job. Also the info associated with that image is shady. ;)

[sfu_lifer]

http://www.totalgaming.co.uk/images/uploads/gtanextgen.jpg

Grand Theft Auto next-gen?
Jeux-france has links to a condo developer site where that image came from :)

[webdoctors]

but GTA really does need better graphics, its such a great game, even with crappy graphics, but it would be nice if they updated their game engine, honestly its sad everyone arms looks like logs of wood and their bodies look like waterballoons, really pathetic.

[guest10586]

but GTA really does need better graphics, its such a great game, even with crappy graphics, but it would be nice if they updated their game engine, honestly its sad everyone arms looks like logs of wood and their bodies look like waterballoons, really pathetic.

I'm sure they could pull more out of the consoles, xbox and ps2, for GTA but their programmers aren't as good as the Japanese programmers I guess. Which is usually why I can't stand European and North American games, bad load times and crappy controls.

[dvdvideo]

LOL, maybe you should play some good north american games. Talk about a bad generalization.

[JayPatel]

Anandtech just removed those two articles. :cheesygri

Originally posted by: Kristopher Kubicki

PS3 article is pulled for now because Anand is worried about MS tracing his anonymous insider.

Kristopher

guess many ppl dont realize that anand is probably the least biased hardware site out there...whether you think he is pro-nvidia, pro ati, pro-pc, pro- whatever... he is not going to publish something that is full of lies.

[jerryhussain]

guess many ppl dont realize that anand is probably the least biased hardware site out there...whether you think he is pro-nvidia, pro ati, pro-pc, pro- whatever... he is not going to publish something that is full of lies.
I responded to that quote in the other thread.

That is one lame of an excuse. If that was the real reason why did they pull the previous article, the one about the GPUs of both consoles. It had no mention of any developers in it. :lol:

Anandtech ranks high in my list of trusted websites however Anand has also made his share of HUGE mistakes in his predictions.

I couldnt believe that the last two articles were from Anandtech for a while. Good thing Anand pulled them and keeps the website good for what it is.

[guest10586]

LOL, maybe you should play some good north american games. Talk about a bad generalization.

I have, most suck...not all, but most.

[dvdvideo]

Top 10 reviewed games for the xbox, thanks for gamerankings....
Every single one from North America for Europe....

Main
Score
1. Halo: Combat Evolved XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 86 8.8 94.9% 95.5%
2. Halo 2 XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 94 8.2 94.0% 95.1%
3. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic XBOX LucasArts 97 9.0 93.9% 94.7%
4. Grand Theft Auto Double Pack XBOX Rockstar Games 50 8.8 93.7% 93.8%
5. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory XBOX Ubisoft 64 8.6 93.9% 93.4%
6. Burnout 3: Takedown XBOX EA Games 72 8.9 92.1% 93.4%
7. Forza Motorsport XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 62 8.5 93.1% 92.9%
8. Project Gotham Racing 2 XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 84 8.6 92.2% 92.9%
9. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time XBOX Ubisoft 67 8.7 92.5% 92.8%
10. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell XBOX Ubisoft 88 8.8 92.7% 92.8%


For Ps2, half are from north america or europe.

1. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty PS2 Konami 73 8.6 94.2% 95.2%
2. Grand Theft Auto III PS2 Rockstar Games 77 8.7 94.8% 95.0%
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas PS2 Rockstar Games 82 8.7 94.5% 94.7%
4. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec PS2 SCEA 77 8.7 93.6% 94.2%
5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City PS2 Rockstar Games 89 8.8 93.8% 94.2%
6. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 PS2 Activision 54 8.4 92.2% 93.8%
7. Burnout 3: Takedown PS2 EA Games 50 8.8 93.4% 93.4%
8. Pro Evolution Soccer 2 PS2 KCEJ 21 8.4 92.3% 93.4%
9. God of War PS2 SCEA 63 8.9 93.3% 93.0%
10. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 PS2 Activision 50 8.4 92.3% 92.6%

So sure, all north american and europen game makers suck.......were is the giant roll eyes icon when you need it!

[jerryhussain]

Top 10 reviewed games for the xbox, thanks for gamerankings....
Every single one from North America for Europe....

Main
Score
1. Halo: Combat Evolved XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 86 8.8 94.9% 95.5%
2. Halo 2 XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 94 8.2 94.0% 95.1%
3. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic XBOX LucasArts 97 9.0 93.9% 94.7%
4. Grand Theft Auto Double Pack XBOX Rockstar Games 50 8.8 93.7% 93.8%
5. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory XBOX Ubisoft 64 8.6 93.9% 93.4%
6. Burnout 3: Takedown XBOX EA Games 72 8.9 92.1% 93.4%
7. Forza Motorsport XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 62 8.5 93.1% 92.9%
8. Project Gotham Racing 2 XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 84 8.6 92.2% 92.9%
9. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time XBOX Ubisoft 67 8.7 92.5% 92.8%
10. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell XBOX Ubisoft 88 8.8 92.7% 92.8%


For Ps2, half are from north america or europe.

1. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty PS2 Konami 73 8.6 94.2% 95.2%
2. Grand Theft Auto III PS2 Rockstar Games 77 8.7 94.8% 95.0%
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas PS2 Rockstar Games 82 8.7 94.5% 94.7%
4. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec PS2 SCEA 77 8.7 93.6% 94.2%
5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City PS2 Rockstar Games 89 8.8 93.8% 94.2%
6. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 PS2 Activision 54 8.4 92.2% 93.8%
7. Burnout 3: Takedown PS2 EA Games 50 8.8 93.4% 93.4%
8. Pro Evolution Soccer 2 PS2 KCEJ 21 8.4 92.3% 93.4%
9. God of War PS2 SCEA 63 8.9 93.3% 93.0%
10. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 PS2 Activision 50 8.4 92.3% 92.6%

So sure, all north american and europen game makers suck.......http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4988/rolleyes8ou.gif
Fixed it for you ;)

[sfu_lifer]

Anand was taken very much to task for implying that the Cell PPE = Xenos.
That was one major mistake. They share a few things thanks to IBM but nowhere near the same. He made broad generalizations that he was rightly hammered for.

You do not publish something that says: Sony and Microsoft royally screwed ...
That is a judgment call that an unbiased site should stay away from and is very unprofessional (esp for unfinished hardware). If this were an op-ed piece then that's something but a true analysis will stay away from such words. Does he honestly think that MS and Sony never bothered to ask their coders what they think?
CONSOLE game developers have been coding for the longest time on code that they optimize and not what the compilers will give you for free.
OoO Qs are standard on PCs thanks to the PC architecture & multi-tasking. On console, you KNOW what the CPU will be running if you code it properly. It's a hassle but console developers have been doing this for ages they're used to it. Just talk to any PS2 programmer and they'll start pulling hairs talking about getting started on the PS2.
So Anand needs to get better contacts. Non PC codeshops if he wants to get into console analysis. Comparing it to a PC environment was a mistake.
He should admit it and move on. With a console, you really do have to consider the entire architecture design and not just the individual parts. The whole is always greater than the sum of the parts.

[Fantaz]

Also most of the top 10 games for Xbox you can find on other systems. So if you've got a PS2, GameCube and PC then you are set.

[dvdvideo]

Also most of the top 10 games for Xbox you can find on other systems. So if you've got a PS2, GameCube and PC then you are set.

When did this turn into a PS2 fanboy orgy?

I have all machines and by far I use the xbox. Sure if you want inferior graphics and a poor online system, I could play some of the multiplatform games on the ps2, but that makes no sense.

For multiplatform games like Prince of Persia and GTA are much more condusive to sitting in my living room on a 100" screen in a recliner playing with a controller than playing on my pc.

To say nothing of the fact that without an xbox I couldn't even play Halo 2, Forza, Project Gotham 2, Rallisport 2, Jade Empire, Conker, Crimson Skies, or Dead or Alive Ultimate, since they are all Xbox exclusives.

[sfu_lifer]

Fantaz is mainly a Sony fanboy from the postings I've seen despite him posting to the contrary. You just have to deal with it :)

It's somewhat true though that the Xbox exclusives have the most potential for porting to the PC (see Halo 1, Fable and KOTOR).

[jerryhussain]

Anand was taken very much to task for implying that the Cell PPE = Xenos.
That was one major mistake. They share a few things thanks to IBM but nowhere near the same. He made broad generalizations that he was rightly hammered for.
There were a lot of more major mistakes too. Like for example he mentioned that the XeCPU was only twice as powerful as the Xbox's cpu. If that was the case then running Xbox games on software emulation is impossible by a long long shot.

[jerryhussain]

Resident Evil 5 Announced: PS3 and Xbox 360 to get next entry in Capcom's survival horror series. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/635/635096p1.html)

[JayPatel]

http://ranobe.sakuratan.com/up/updata/up46829.jpg

Resident Evil 5

[P__S__2]

^lookin nice!

[Fantaz]

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7953/re58nc.gif

[guest10586]

Top 10 reviewed games for the xbox, thanks for gamerankings....
Every single one from North America for Europe....

Main
Score
1. Halo: Combat Evolved XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 86 8.8 94.9% 95.5%
2. Halo 2 XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 94 8.2 94.0% 95.1%
3. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic XBOX LucasArts 97 9.0 93.9% 94.7%
4. Grand Theft Auto Double Pack XBOX Rockstar Games 50 8.8 93.7% 93.8%
5. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory XBOX Ubisoft 64 8.6 93.9% 93.4%
6. Burnout 3: Takedown XBOX EA Games 72 8.9 92.1% 93.4%
7. Forza Motorsport XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 62 8.5 93.1% 92.9%
8. Project Gotham Racing 2 XBOX Microsoft Game Studios 84 8.6 92.2% 92.9%
9. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time XBOX Ubisoft 67 8.7 92.5% 92.8%
10. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell XBOX Ubisoft 88 8.8 92.7% 92.8%


For Ps2, half are from north america or europe.

1. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty PS2 Konami 73 8.6 94.2% 95.2%
2. Grand Theft Auto III PS2 Rockstar Games 77 8.7 94.8% 95.0%
3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas PS2 Rockstar Games 82 8.7 94.5% 94.7%
4. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec PS2 SCEA 77 8.7 93.6% 94.2%
5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City PS2 Rockstar Games 89 8.8 93.8% 94.2%
6. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 PS2 Activision 54 8.4 92.2% 93.8%
7. Burnout 3: Takedown PS2 EA Games 50 8.8 93.4% 93.4%
8. Pro Evolution Soccer 2 PS2 KCEJ 21 8.4 92.3% 93.4%
9. God of War PS2 SCEA 63 8.9 93.3% 93.0%
10. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 PS2 Activision 50 8.4 92.3% 92.6%

So sure, all north american and europen game makers suck.......were is the giant roll eyes icon when you need it!

Oh, top 10 reviewed games for ps2. There is unbias source. :rolleyes:

[dvdvideo]

Oh, top 10 reviewed games for ps2. There is unbias source

So a compelation of all the reviews on record isn't good enough for you? Do you even know what gamerankings is?

[JayPatel]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/734/734381/vids_1.html

Resident Evil 5 Trailer

[JayPatel]

Factor 5 New Game

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vids_1.html

[ZeeTX]

Factor 5 New Game

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vids_1.html
What is this game - "Lair" - Dragon Vs Dragon.. :lol:
Anyway, here's the direct LINK - LAIR (http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/635/635510/lair_072105_qtlow.mov) (Save Target as..)

[Fantaz]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/734/734381/vids_1.html

Resident Evil 5 Trailer
This game is now #1 on my most anticipated PS3 game list. I can't wait! :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

Factor 5 New Game

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vids_1.html
I read in the IGN boards Famitsu reported Res Evil 5 will also release on the Xbox 360.
It's kinda hard to be impressed with the FActor 5 game since it's a cam job :(
I wanna see high rez. Man, the next gen can't come soon enough for me :D
I'm wondering what Nintendo has in store with the Revolution.

[jerryhussain]

This game is now #1 on my most anticipated PS3 game list. I can't wait! :cheesygri
Its confirmed for 360 too and chances are it will be out for the Revolution also.

[JayPatel]

Its confirmed for 360 too and chances are it will be out for the Revolution also.

360 is getting it first... PS3 version is scheduled to release a bit after the X360 version

[JayPatel]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_08.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_09.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_10.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_11.jpg

[ZeeTX]

This just looks AMAZING.. :eek:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_11.jpg

[jerryhussain]

360 is getting it first... PS3 version is scheduled to release a bit after the X360 version
Now I'm hearing that it wont come out for the Revolution. :-0

[sfu_lifer]

This just looks AMAZING.. :eek:
Not that spiderman 2 scene again.
I remember seeing Dr. Octavius in one of those E3 demos. Looked eerie but it got panned when folks heard it was not quite realtime despite the supposed ability to rotate and pause.

[nden]

When is the offical PS3 release day?

[Fantaz]

When is the offical PS3 release day?
Not for a while.

Here's another reason to choose PS3:
http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article2129.phtml

[P__S__2]

Chea!! to ps3.

[sfu_lifer]

Not for a while.

Here's another reason to choose PS3:
http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article2129.phtml
Old news :razz: .
I have to track down some info but 720p wmv can handle all the FMV requirements that Itagaki has as he was bitching about the lack of space for all his FMV's :)
On a Sony note, I read in the National Post a blurb today with Kutaragi admitting they are getting tons of calls from developers needing help programming for the PS3. They were also suggesting there will be a lack of ready games if Sony chooses to launch in the Spring of '06.

[ZeeTX]

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7695/ps3launch6ut.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

This looks phenomenal as well for an RPG:
http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/43491420050725_211815_1_big.jpg

[Headhunter]

I predict that the release of the PS3 will do more to kill worker productivity that say since the release of The Phantom Menace. :)

[whatdeal]

anyone sugggesting the revolution's controller design?

[Fantaz]

Really good colour palette in that Endless Saga game. Looks very fantasy like. Enough that I could fall in love with. :)

[P__S__2]

OMG those look shots look great and im not tryin to be sarcastic but damn....I really cant wait I just love RPG games. :) :) :) :) :) :evil: :evil:

[jerryhussain]

This looks phenomenal as well for an RPG:
http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/43491420050725_211815_1_big.jpg
In game:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635741/endless-saga-20050721064021022.jpg

:lol:

[JayPatel]

In game:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635741/endless-saga-20050721064021022.jpg

:lol:
u sure thats not the XBOX360 version below???? :) i kid i kid

[jerryhussain]

u sure thats not the XBOX360 version below???? :) i kid i kid
Is it even coming for the 360 ? :lol:

That screen is taken from the trailer, I bet things will look even more different in game. :|

[P__S__2]

come on u gotta remember these are first gen games that are comin out for the ps3....so its not using alot of power...just like the first gen ps2 games they didnt look that good, but look as time passed the games started looking better. So just give it time.

[jerryhussain]

come on u gotta remember these are first gen games that are comin out for the ps3....so its not using alot of power...just like the first gen ps2 games they didnt look that good, but look as time passed the games started looking better. So just give it time.
True and that is applicable to all consoles.

[sfu_lifer]

Way to burst my bubble Jerry.
That's a frickin' misleading screenshot (in-game my ass).

[Fantaz]

I've just got word that Sony plans on cutting the price of the Slim PS2 in half (!!) when Xbox 360 comes out. I'm glad now that I've been holding out on getting one.

[sfu_lifer]

I've just got word that Sony plans on cutting the price of the Slim PS2 in half (!!) when Xbox 360 comes out. I'm glad now that I've been holding out on getting one.
Yea, people were talking about that in the IGN boards yesterday.
The funny thing is, watch Microsoft drop their Xbox 1 price to $99 as well ;)

[ShadowVlican]

In game:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635741/endless-saga-20050721064021022.jpg

:lol:
it better NOT look like that in game and HD :evil:

[jerryhussain]

For FF fans ...

PS3 Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo more than a demo? (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/31/news_6130109.html)

[P__S__2]

^ I really hope they do make a remake...i loved that game. Its my fav.

[jerryhussain]

NVIDIA CEO Confirms Pricey PS3? (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/638/638074p1.html)

[taro-chan]

"Our goal for PlayStation 3 is for consumers to think to themselves, 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

That already is a turn off. I need more money for memory, controllers, a HDD, etc... Really don't think I am going to work extra hours to get one. Imagine the kids working to get a PS3 and it turns out to be 500 CDN at launch. That is a crazy amount to save up for.

[jerryhussain]

That already is a turn off. I need more money for memory, controllers, a HDD, etc... Really don't think I am going to work extra hours to get one. Imagine the kids working to get a PS3 and it turns out to be 500 CDN at launch. That is a crazy amount to save up for.
I'm assuming Xbox 360 will be around $500CND and PS3 will be around the price of the 7800GTX. Now imagine buying accessories and games for that. :|

Suddenly Revolution is starting to look much more reasonable. :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

Games are also looking to be around $65 a pop.
Ouch (for both 360 and PS3). Maybe Nintendo does have the right attitude in this. They said games will cost no more to develop than they do now.
But PS3, yah, Blu-Ray and nVidia tech is not cheap. MS went with value using unified shaders. Sony has the raw horsepower advantage (whether it'll remain untapped for years is another matter :)).
Kutaragi has already been saying it'll be expensive so he's already bracing us for a shock:
1) much higher price than the traditional $299 US
2) eat the R&D costs like what they did with the PSP and sell it for much lower than analysts expected

[jerryhussain]

2) eat the R&D costs like what they did with the PSP and sell it for much lower than analysts expected
That may be the one possibility.

Imagine if they subsidize the PS3 by $100 (Microsoft's doing $75 for 360) and sell 15 million consoles in the first year (a very low figure for Sony) then that would mean a loss of $1.5 billion. That is more than the loss they took in the entire PS2's lifespan. And with Sony already facing trouble in other segments (TVs etc.) and announcing consecutive quaterly losses, will they bite the bullet ?

[taro-chan]

That may be the one possibility.

Imagine if they subsidize the PS3 by $100 (Microsoft's doing $75 for 360) and sell 15 million consoles in the first year (a very low figure for Sony) then that would mean a loss of $1.5 billion. That is more than the loss they took in the entire PS2's lifespan. And with Sony already facing trouble in other segments (TVs etc.) and announcing consecutive quaterly losses, will they bite the bullet ?
Probably somewere in the middle. They do probably realize that if the console isn't in homes, then they will lose out big. So they'll lower the cost probably to manufactoring costs or around there. Software and accessories are were the money is.

[vonteego]

That may be the one possibility.

Imagine if they subsidize the PS3 by $100 (Microsoft's doing $75 for 360) and sell 15 million consoles in the first year (a very low figure for Sony) then that would mean a loss of $1.5 billion. That is more than the loss they took in the entire PS2's lifespan. And with Sony already facing trouble in other segments (TVs etc.) and announcing consecutive quaterly losses, will they bite the bullet ?

Yeah I don't see them subsidizing it that much....unless they pull a "gretzsky" on consumers and force pack-in games and accessories?

Accessories are whre the money's at tho...component cables literally cost pennies to manufacture en masse. Sony's markup those is like like $30+.

[JayPatel]

Got this in my inbox

Def Jam 3: Developed in house by EA Chicago. No more AKI

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2246/dj10je.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dj10je.jpg)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9949/dj29lb.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dj29lb.jpg)

[Headhunter]

^ Inbox? Do you get press kits mailed to you?

[Gordon]

This looks phenomenal as well for an RPG:
http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/43491420050725_211815_1_big.jpg

mmm boobies..
:D :D

[JayPatel]

^ Inbox? Do you get press kits mailed to you?

Yup. But this one wasnt a presskit. Obviously scans from a magazine. probably Game Informer.

[WiZZLa]

mmm boobies..
:D :D
mmm cut scenes lol.

[Fantaz]

And of course EA has nothing better to make.

[jerryhussain]

Deleted. See better pics below.

[jerryhussain]

Devil May Cry

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2506/dmc4012mz.jpg

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5237/dmc4028fa.jpg

[Ziggy007]

Snake turns into an old pirate in MGS4? Seriously, Otacon looks badder than he does. Hopefuly that is Raiden and he just dies in a fire after the first cutscence

[JayPatel]

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/1990/ruliwebmgs4020fm9os.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4020fm9os.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7521/ruliwebmgs4031wb3ed.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4031wb3ed.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/6969/ruliwebmgs4040qc2vr.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4040qc2vr.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/5207/ruliwebmgs4054gz8fb.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4054gz8fb.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7591/ruliwebmgs4061rp3mi.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4061rp3mi.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/9330/ruliwebmgs4079tf7vs.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4079tf7vs.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/723/ruliwebmgs4099ts5fk.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4099ts5fk.jpg)

[jerryhussain]

http://xs46.xs.to/pics/05375/ruliweb_mgs4_09.jpg



More humungous pics:
http://ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?num=13853&main=ps3

[JayPatel]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/651/651322/metal-gear-solid-4-20050915072832559.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143788


MGS4: Guns of the Patriots

Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima continues his reign as the gaming industry's most respected visionary with a wicked sense of humor. After teasing attendees at this May's Electronic Entertainment Expo with an irreverent, joke-laden trailer for Metal Gear Solid 4 (that offered no gameplay footage or substantive info about the game), he finally unveiled the fourth installment in his legendary stealth-action series at today's Tokyo Game Show.

The nine-minute long promo for the newly-christened Guns of the Patriots opens with a cunning ruse: You're immediately thrust behind a rifle amid a squad of soldiers who are carefully surveying a bombed-out urban wasteland. The sheer visual prowess of the PS3 instantly impresses: Futuristic helicopters hover overhead, realistic clouds of dust and debris sweep across your field of vision, blinding lens flares and high-dynamic range lighting paint the city with stunning shadows...it's all very, very pretty. Just as you're coming to the realization that MGS4 appears to be a full-on first-person shooter, complete with strafing, Kojima pulls one of his trademark wordplay jokes. Several zany acronyms for FPS spray across the screen, climaxing with the question: Is MGS4 an FPS? Suddenly, a silver-haired Solid Snake appears from off-screen and pulls some punishing close-quarters combat moves against the enemy solider whose view you've been sharing. "No way!" erupts across the screen. Guess that clears that up...

Snake proceeds to take cover within a crumbling edifice while large patrols of enemy soldiers, armored personnel carriers, and giant bipedal Metal Gear robots march through the windswept streets. As Snake takes a breather, you can access how he's changed. Snake now sports a silvery mullet, slightly embarrassing moustache, form-fitting new sneaking suit, and a highly futuristic "Solid Eye System" electronic eyepatch. Snake obviously looks a bit worse for the wear, and the trailer doesn't divulge exactly how much time has progressed since the events of MGS2. A mysterious "X years after the events of Big Shell" gives some hint, but the battle-scarred, world-weary Snake here seems to have taken a page from the Sam Fisher "I'm too old for this *****" for this latest adventure. Snake's health even seems to be in danger: While hiding out in this building, he's gripped by a nasty coughing fit that he quiets with a sudden ampoule to the neck. After having to hunt wildlife and mend wounds in MGS3, having to constantly give Snake his meds in MGS4 could easily win the "most depressingly realistic minigame yet" prize.

Snake's respite ends when a Metal Gear busts into his hiding place. Well, not so much bust in...this miniature Metal Gear (bearing a striking resemblance to the cute helper 'bot from Kojima's acclaimed Sega CD graphic adventure Snatcher) comically putts around, revealing a direct-feed viewscreen of Snake's nerdy pal Otacon. This remote-controlled robot allows Otacon to aid Snake's quest while keeping him out of harm's way, and he gets Snake back into the fight with a fresh machine gun clip. Otacon quips that his robot runs on the Cell processor, but Snake has no time for tech babble&a war is raging outside.

Suddenly, the trailer cuts to the viewpoint of the larger Metal Gears patrolling the street: It's spotted Snake, so he has to make a run for it. Snake's high-tech new eyepatch comes in handy, allowing him to scan the area, view a large overhead map, and get critical info on targets. Snake and his robot pal make a run for it, leaping and shooting in majestic slow-mo as the stunningly realistic cityscape shatters around him. The spindly, bidpedal Metal Gears leap across the street, causing massive, earthshaking thuds as they land. Bullets fill the air, absurd amounts of debris, smoke, and particles obscure your vision, and intense waves of heat warp your view. War on the PS3 looks like hell, and MGS4's "No place to hide" mantra seems all too true.

Sadly, the action comes to an end quickly, leaving you wanting more. Snake recalls Otacon's explanation of his little robot and asks, "Hey, what is that Cell processor, anyway?" Here, Kojima breaks the fourth wall and goes all meta on us: Otacon breaks out his laptop (complete with Zone of the Enders 2 wallpaper) and shows Snake Sony's rubber-duckies-in-a- bathtub demo, followed by the too-good-to-be-true Killzone PS3 demo from E3. Otacon continues, telling Snake that the Cell processor is "The key to winning the console war." He also promises that MGS4 will be "worth the wait." We're guessing he's right.

[JayPatel]

http://finalboss.globo.com/fb3/fotos/2005/09/112748.jpg

[Sheky]

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/1990/ruliwebmgs4020fm9os.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4020fm9os.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7521/ruliwebmgs4031wb3ed.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4031wb3ed.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/6969/ruliwebmgs4040qc2vr.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4040qc2vr.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/5207/ruliwebmgs4054gz8fb.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4054gz8fb.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7591/ruliwebmgs4061rp3mi.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4061rp3mi.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/9330/ruliwebmgs4079tf7vs.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4079tf7vs.jpg)
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/723/ruliwebmgs4099ts5fk.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ruliwebmgs4099ts5fk.jpg)

Snake looks really creepy...no, please daddy, make the bad man stop! Otacon looks awesome though.

[JayPatel]

The MGS4 trailer will be posted on the official website in a few hours....theres a link out right now to a shakycam but good luck connecting

Gamespot just said its the best looking game they have ever seen

http://nanashi.ath.cx/up/src/up4994.wmv
mmst://cinema.gamemeca.com/cinema/mgs4.wmv

[JayPatel]

http://tallah.org/video/mgs4.wmv

found a decent link. OMG!!!! Kojima rules

[jerryhussain]

Graphics are sweet but other aspects arent. Wish it was an FPS (like when the trailer started out) instead of a stealth game. :|

[numb555]

Man this is way better than the Killzone Pre-rendered Trailer. Kinda sadden that snake is old and looks like a grey hair Magnum PI.

[numb555]

Graphics are sweet but other aspects arent. Wish it was an FPS (like when the trailer started out) instead of a stealth game. :|


There are too many good FPS games out there nowadays and even more for the next gen Jerry. Halo, Half Life, Quake, Metroid w/ the new rev. controller, MGS should stay the way it is!!! 3rd person stealth :) Though the FPS did look sweet, ohh ye and FPS gives me headaches.

[jerryhussain]

There are too many good FPS games out there nowadays and even more for the next gen Jerry. Halo, Half Life, Quake, Metroid w/ the new rev. controller, MGS should stay the way it is!!! 3rd person stealth :) Though the FPS did look sweet, ohh ye and FPS gives me headaches.
I wont get all three consoles, so hoping PS3 will have good online support & good FPSes.

And yeah why did Kojima decided to go with an old snake. :(

[DVST8]

Sorry, didn't have time to read thru all 33 pages of this topic, but was just wondering what the deal is on Sony using the Spiderman Font for the PS3?
My guess is that they're planning to launch the ps3 and spiderman 3 on the same day possibly? or might have some kind of promotional thing added to ps3? Sorry if this is a respost of a question.

[numb555]

I wont get all three consoles, so hoping PS3 will have good online support & good FPSes.

And yeah why did Kojima decided to go with an old snake. :(

I think they want us to change Snakes' depends, and give himdifferent medication for his illnesses...arthritis, alzheimer, testicular cancer and the likes...so gameplay is more of an experience.

For FPS, and Online the 360 definitely has the advantage over the PS3.

[jerryhussain]

I think they want us to change Snakes' depends, and give himdifferent medication for his illnesses...arthritis, alzheimer, testicular cancer and the likes...so gameplay is more of an experience.

For FPS, and Online the 360 definitely has the advantage over the PS3.
I know but [b]now[b] it is difficult picking 2 from 3 consoles. :cheesygri

Sorry, didn't have time to read thru all 33 pages of this topic, but was just wondering what the deal is on Sony using the Spiderman Font for the PS3?
My guess is that they're planning to launch the ps3 and spiderman 3 on the same day possibly? or might have some kind of promotional thing added to ps3? Sorry if this is a respost of a question.
No, that is not a possibility. From what I know Sony Pictures are launching Spiderman3 this year and thus revealing the villian(s) and PS3 is slated for next spring. The used the font because they own it and most probably it might change in the final design.

[sfu_lifer]

Wow that car racing screenshot wow'ed me way more than MGS4's stills.
Now let's see those types of graphics at launch.
Gameplay, not in-game engine renders.

[DVST8]

I know but [b]now[b] it is difficult picking 2 from 3 consoles. :cheesygri


No, that is not a possibility. From what I know Sony Pictures are launching Spiderman3 this year and thus revealing the villian(s) and PS3 is slated for next spring. The used the font because they own it and most probably it might change in the final design.


I totally forgot that Sony owned that Font. BUT, from a graphic designers

p.o.v., That font is totally synonomous with the Spiderman movie and not

sure if they should relate both identities. BUT...from a marketing p.o.v. I now

see how it may be a good thing as kids will be able to recognize the font

and be like Hey that looks like SPIDERMAN! wow cool I want a ps3 now.

[sfu_lifer]

Whoo.
I just saw the MGS4 trailer.
If Sony really wanted to kill the 360's sales/hype, they'd put out the HD version of the MGS4 trailer ASAP. That must've been so expensive to execute. I'm pretty sure the Xbox 360 can do that too give the time/expertise/art direction.
What's gonna win the next gen wars won't be the hardware, but the folks behind the software (esp the artists/graphics programmers).

[JayPatel]

New GT5 Trailer. Hot Damn. Supposedly all realtime too

http://momodomo.com/ruliweb_gt4.wmv

[JayPatel]

Assassin by Ubisoft. IGN calls it the coolest looking game at the TGS

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/651/651359/project-assassin-20050916011909600.jpg

WarHawk
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/651/651389/warhawk-ps3-20050916045048555.jpg

Getaway
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/651/651390/the-getaway-ps3-20050916045717509.jpg

[numb555]

Sony definitely knows how to create Hype. Can't wait for Warhawk also, I love that game on the PSX. From some reports the final dev. kits havnt even shipped to developers yet. Regardless, these trailers meet and exceeds my expectation. Now, i gotta work some overtime save up for a bigger Plasma, and buy all these amazing games!

[Kakashi]

New GT5 Trailer. Hot Damn. Supposedly all realtime too

http://momodomo.com/ruliweb_gt4.wmv
Hmm seems like they're planning to add cockpit view into the game.

[sfu_lifer]

New GT5 Trailer. Hot Damn. Supposedly all realtime too

http://momodomo.com/ruliweb_gt4.wmv
Yeah I saw that on ruliweb earlier. I believe that's all realtime. The ground textures ain't so good close up. I bet we wont see these types of graphics till at least mid-2007.

[jerryhussain]

If you haven't heard already, those on the show floor of the Tokyo Game Show 2005 have been quite surprised to visit Sony Computer Entertainment's booth and discover that the PlayStation 3 controller is labeled as a "conceptual design" (view photo below, courtesy Game Watch).

Apparently the company has taken the public's reaction to the Batman-inspired controller to heart and may even be reworking their PlayStation 3 controller options. We'll keep you updated if Sony decides to comment on the matter.

http://www.gaminghorizon.com/games/screenshots/465/465-0-1126891501.jpg

http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1126891500.2314.html

[hyperion]

New GT5 Trailer. Hot Damn. Supposedly all realtime too

http://momodomo.com/ruliweb_gt4.wmv

HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[bluetroll]

that doesn't look realtime to me... looks like rendered video.

[jerryhussain]

LAIR by Factor5

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/651/651387/lair-20050916042717444.jpg

[jerryhussain]

that doesn't look realtime to me... looks like rendered video.
Confirmed real time:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs4.htm

[jerryhussain]

PLAYSTATION 3 GAMES (JAPAN): (Sorted by title and genre)
Acquire
New historical action game, action adventure

Arc System Works
BB (tentative name), next-generation fighting game tool

Artdink
Bipedal Movement Simulation, Simulation
Aquanote no Kyujitsu: Inner Mind Adventure, Inner Mind adventure

Astroll
Seikan (tentative name), survival

Atari
Alone in the Dark sequel, action adventure
Stuntman (working title), driving action
Driver 5 (working title), driving action

Athena
Pro Mahjong Final (tentative name), mahjong

Atlus
Shin Megami Tensei series, RPG

Bandai
Anime related project, TBA
Mobile Suit Gundam (tentative name), action
Unnamed robot action game, action

Banpresto
Super Robot series, TBA

Capcom
action game, action
Devil May Cry 4, stylish action
Biohazard 5, survival horror

Cavia
Unnamed action RPG, action RPG

CyberFront
simulation game A, growth simulation
simulation game B, management simulation
puzzle game, puzzle action

Success
RPG, RPG

Success
Hitsuji Mura (tentative name), simulation

D3 Publisher
Dark Sector, shooting action
Fighting action game, fighting action

Datam Polystar
Unnamed adventure game, adventure

Digital Gain
Naxat Plan (tentative name), adventure

Dorasu
Slotter Mania series, Pa*****o

Eidos
Unnamed action game, action

Electronic Arts
Fight Night (tentative name), sports

Enterbrain
Derby Stallion (tentative name), breeding

Entertainment Software Publishing
Unnamed action game, action
Ertain
TBA, action

From Software
Armored Core 4, 3D mech action
Dark RPG (tentative name), RPG
Black Blade (tentative name), action

Genki
Japanese sword fighting series, action
Racing game series, racing game

Global A. Entertainment
Comical history action, action
Comical history stimulation, simulation

GoodNavigate
Mystery adventure game, adventure

Gust
Unnamed role playing game, RPG

Hackberry
Pa*****o Jikki simulation series, Pa*****o

Hamster
Management simulation, simulation

Hudson
Unnamed RPG, RPG
Bomberman, action
Rengoku: The End of the Century, sci-fi action RPG

Idea Factory
Shin Ten Makai VI (tentative name), Simulation RPG

Interchannel
Unnamed love adventure game, adventure

Irem Software Engineering
Action-adventure game, action adventure

Koei
Blade Storm: Hundred Years War, action
Fatal Inertia, racing
Ni-Oh, action
Mahjong Taikai (tentative name), table

Konami
Gradius series, shooting
Unnamed soccer game, soccer
Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball series, sports
Unnamed action game, action
Unnamed role playing game, RPG
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, tactical espionage action

MTO
ActiveDogs (tentative name), action sports

Magnolia
Value 2000 Igo, table
Value 2000 Shougi, table
Saikyou Ginsei Shougi 7, table
Saikyou Ginsei Igo 7, table

Mainichi Communications
Shougi World Champion Gekisashi (tentative name), table

Marionette
War simulation game, simulation

Marvelous Interactive
Unnamed action game, action

Mediaworks
Unnamed adventure game, adventure

Michaelsoft
Project D, RPG

Namco
Unnamed RPG, RPG
Unnamed fighting game, fighting
Unnamed shooting game, shooting
Unnamed sports game, sports

Nippon-ichi Software
Makai Wars (tentative name), RPG

Now Production
Unnamed action game, action

Ongakukan
Train Simulator Online (tentative name), train simulation

SNK Playmore
King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 3 (tentative name), 3D fighting

Sega
Fifth Phantom Saga, action shooting
Sonic the Hedgehog, action

Sony Computer Entertainment
Angel Rings (tentative name), RPG
Gran Turismo series, TBA
Genji 2 (tentative name), action
The Eye of Judgment (tentative name), TBA
Minna no Golf 5 (tentative name), sports
Monster Carnival (tentative name), action RPG

Spike
Way of the Samurai 3 (tentative name), action adventure

Square Enix
Final Fantasy series, TBA

Sun Denshi
Unnamed simulation game, simulation

Sunrise Interactive
Sunrise Eiyuutan series, 3D simulation RPG
Shinseiki GPX Cyber Formula series, 3D racing

Taito
Extreme (tentative name), action
Project Psychic (tentative name), action

Takuyo Kyougyou
AKARI Project (tentative name), simulation
MASTER Project (tentative name), action RPG

Tecmo
Action game, action
Action-adventure game, action

Ubisoft
Killing Day (Japanese title: Assassin), action adventure
Brothers in Arms 3 (tentative name), FPS

Warashi
Mahjong Oh, Mahjong

Yamasa Entertainment
Yamasa Digi World DX (tentative name), Pa*****o

Yuke's
Pro wrestling game, pro wrestling


JAPANESE PLAYSTATION 3 PUBLISHERS
Acquire
Arc System Works
Art Dink
Asmik-ace Entertainment
Astroll
Atari Japan
Athena
Atlus
Bandai
Banpresto
Capcom
Cavia
Chunsoft
CyberFront
D3 Publisher
Daitogiken
Datam Polystar
Digital Gain
Dorasu
Eidos
Electronic Arts
Enterbrain
Entertainment Software Publishing
Ertain
Fog
From Software
Genki
Global A. Entertainment
GoodNavigate
Gust
Hackberry
Hamster
Hudson
Idea Factory
Interchannel
Irem Software Engineering
Jaleco
Kadokawa Shoten
Kids Station
Koei
Konami
MTO
Magnolia
Mainichi Communications
Marionette
Marvelous Interactive
Mediaworks
Michaelsoft
Namco
Nippon-ichi Software
Now Production
Oaks
Ongakukan
SNK Playmore
Sammy
Sega
Shoeisha
Sony Computer Entertainment
Spike
Square Enix
Success
Sun Denshi
Sunrise Interactive
Taito
Takuyo Kyougyou
Tecmo
Ubisoft
Warashi
Yamasa Entertainment
Yukes
Yuki Enterprise

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/16/news_6133515.html

[jerryhussain]

I know the game is far from finished but ...

http://home.comcast.net/~ginazswordsman/metal-gear-solid-4-20050915072828434.jpg


:cheesygri

[dell]

huh? That was pretty useless. Every single game ever made takes shortcuts to achieve a look in order to meet the limitations for any systems. You just pointed one out and they'll be plenty for every game that comes out for every system. If you've ever worked on a game you would know that cause I certainly do. It pisses me off when people who think they know about games try to look cool and show off when in reality they don't know jack sh*t.

[jerryhussain]

huh? That was pretty useless. Every single game ever made takes shortcuts to achieve a look in order to meet the limitations for any systems. You just pointed one out and they'll be plenty for every game that comes out for every system. If you've ever worked on a game you would know that cause I certainly do. It pisses me off when people who think they know about games try to look cool and show off when in reality they don't know jack sh*t.
lmao

chill, I didnt take the pains to spot that. It is some one else's work, I guess I should have credited it but in this period of mass cross-linkage I cant trace it back to the person who came up with that.

The 360 fanboys are working overtime now tearing the trailer apart and that isnt the only one place to use very low res textures. ;)

[JayPatel]

http://files.lachy.org/ruliweb_warhawk.wmv

wow. awesome trailer. best water effects ive seen to date. Gamespot seems to think this one is realtime since some aliasing can be seen in certain spots.

[DJXP]

damn !!! this looks so sweet. If only the system looked better :(

[BoxsterS]

I know the game is far from finished but ...

:cheesygri

I fail to see his point. MGS4 isn't even in alpha stage and he's criticizing the textures used for the windows? He conveniently ignores everything else that's impressive about the demo and zeroes in on the windows - that's just lame.

[dell]

I fail to see his point. MGS4 isn't even in alpha stage and he's criticizing the textures used for the windows? He conveniently ignores everything else that's impressive about the demo and zeroes in on the windows - that's just lame.

Exactly. The amount of work that goes into these games nowadays, some people nitpicking about a small texture on an insignificant tiny window of a friggin tank? Oh course they use low res maps, look at that window its like nothing. Maybe if the camera goes up close or right through it to look inside but its all logic. Why would any game company waste precious space/limitations on a high res map on a tiny window. When fanboys start talking out of their ass its an insult to everyone that works in the industry.
I had to sort've vent on my rant cause I use to work in games in Montreal so I know how much time and effort goes into these types of games and its ridiculous the absurd things people say.

[JayPatel]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/258/928376_20050916_screen001.jpg

[Fantaz]

<----

I <3 you Snake!

[JayPatel]

http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/mgs4_kojima_realtime_demo_quick.zip

realtime tech demonstration of MGS4

[JayPatel]

http://www.hightymes.org/IGN/video/MGS_4.wmv

semi direct feed video from G4...the real direct feed video is embaragoed until the 27th of September I beleive.

[Emancipated]

Can someone explain to me what "over the shoulder' camera view is? I didn't play MGS3 but having watched the MGS4 trailer, it looked like a hybrid of 3rd person/first person shooter.

I wish it were first person, given how intense it is from the soldiers POV before he gets made by Snake.

[wanted]

Can someone explain to me what "over the shoulder' camera view is? I didn't play MGS3 but having watched the MGS4 trailer, it looked like a hybrid of 3rd person/first person shooter.

I wish it were first person, given how intense it is from the soldiers POV before he gets made by Snake.

Did you see the gameplay for RE4?
You literally see over their shoulder.
Search up RE4 pics..

[jerryhussain]

I fail to see his point. MGS4 isn't even in alpha stage and he's criticizing the textures used for the windows? He conveniently ignores everything else that's impressive about the demo and zeroes in on the windows - that's just lame.
The image was used to silence the fanboys up who were screaming on top of their lungs that there wasnt one place that used low res textures.

Some people regard oh-so-holy MGS as if it was a religion that it isnt even pathetic. *looks around at frustated members* :cheesygri

My opinion about the trailer remains the same, its friggin sweet period ! (Just dont look forward to playing as an old snake)

[jerryhussain]

MGS4 Direct Feed Trailer (http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=27Z0J42X74D1T1K1SWZY1NO4EK)

[Leshita]

Metal Gear Solid 4 seems a lot grittier than the previous games. The atmosphere of the trailer, aside from some comic relief provided by Otacon and the little remote controlled robot, is somewhat depressing. You can really feel how the despair of Snake and the overall warzone especially with the slow part of the music hits (like towards the end when Snake runs back out onto the battlefield.
I love MGS. :'(

[poppa]

I hope Hideo Kojima makes Raiden more likable but MGS4 (looks like WWIII) and other games...I'm just so overwhelmed by the quality right now. These are just first generation titles, and they can only get better from there.

[Fantaz]

I can only just imagine what the God of War guys will do for PS3.

[Emancipated]

Anyone seen Vision | GranTurismo trailer?

Looks sweet.

[TheTik]

I can only just imagine what the God of War guys will do for PS3.

it noted in electronic gaming monthly that God Of War 2 will be coming out for PS2 >:( . Although after that they will be making an even God of War 3 for PS3. i know, i know...IT SUCKS

[sfu_lifer]

I hope Hideo Kojima makes Raiden more likable but MGS4 (looks like WWIII) and other games...I'm just so overwhelmed by the quality right now. These are just first generation titles, and they can only get better from there.
They're not first gen titles. They will come out by the 2nd gen timeframe (i.e. NOT 2006).

[erikm5150]

Damn, GoW is one of the best games ever.
Hope they take it to the next level on PS3

I can only just imagine what the God of War guys will do for PS3.

[Headhunter]

Anyone seen Vision | GranTurismo trailer?

Looks sweet.
Looks too good to be true, I think...I'm treating it with skepticism, like the X-Box 360 Madden demo...

[Fantaz]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050926.jpg

[poppa]

Snake? SNAKE?! SSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEE!

[Kurtz7834]

'Sony CEO confirms spring launch plans for PS3'

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11692

'Chairman and CEO of Sony America, Sir Howard Stringer, has confirmed that the company plans to launch PlayStation 3 in Spring 2006, as expected.

The exact details of the launch still remain top secret, leading to some interesting media speculation. GamesIndustry.biz reports that, while no specific territory was mentioned in the statement, "indications are that a Japanese launch would be first - around April or May, with European and US launches following later in the year, or early in 2007".'

etc.

Looks like they don't want to be too late to the party and have the 360 have too much of a first mover advantage. I think it is a mistake to wait til late 2006 or later for the N. American launch though.

My question is though: Will the Blu-Ray / HD-DVD debate be sorted out in time for their plans?

[ShadowVlican]

'Sony CEO confirms spring launch plans for PS3'

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11692

'Chairman and CEO of Sony America, Sir Howard Stringer, has confirmed that the company plans to launch PlayStation 3 in Spring 2006, as expected.

The exact details of the launch still remain top secret, leading to some interesting media speculation. GamesIndustry.biz reports that, while no specific territory was mentioned in the statement, "indications are that a Japanese launch would be first - around April or May, with European and US launches following later in the year, or early in 2007".'

etc.

Looks like they don't want to be too late to the party and have the 360 have too much of a first mover advantage. I think it is a mistake to wait til late 2006 or later for the N. American launch though.

My question is though: Will the Blu-Ray / HD-DVD debate be sorted out in time for their plans?
i don't think sony will change their minds.... they are blu-ray all the way..

[Carpe Diem]

Hey this guy has PS3's NOW!!!

Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Playstation-3-CONSOLE-NEW_W0QQitemZ8227384421QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)

This is a scam so don't bid... It will be off ebay soon.

[Fantaz]

Sony PS3 XMB interface:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/13284367@N00/57517281/

[Ziggy007]

Sony will go Blu-Ray no matter what, that is their baby and they won't back down off of it.

Regarding the launch, it troubles me about their dates. Not launching in north america until late 2006/early 2007 would be devistating. They are in a tough spot, if they choose North America they would alienate all of the Japanese gamers who are generally much more hardcore than north americans. On the other hand giving a year+ lead to the 360 would have the NA gamers (most profitable) shift to the 360

[Kurtz7834]

Sony will go Blu-Ray no matter what, that is their baby and they won't back down off of it.

Regarding the launch, it troubles me about their dates. Not launching in north america until late 2006/early 2007 would be devistating. They are in a tough spot, if they choose North America they would alienate all of the Japanese gamers who are generally much more hardcore than north americans. On the other hand giving a year+ lead to the 360 would have the NA gamers (most profitable) shift to the 360

As for your first statement, we'll have to see. Weren't they the same ones trying to push betamax through? Obviously they had to abandon that.

As for the second point, I would anticipate a spring 2006 Japanese launch followed by a fall 2006 Europe and N. American launch. It will definitely not be in 2007, no way would they lose another holiday sales season.

And you're right: by being a year late to the party they are definitely going to lose marketshare to MS. It won't help that the PS3 is slated to cost at least $600 Cdn and MS will probably have had at least one price drop on the 360 by PS3 launch. Sony is not going to die but they have screwed up badly by not having their PS3 ready this Christmas season. The PS2 is getting very long in the tooth. Although on the plus side the system is getting an amazing 6 year lifespan. We'll probably never see that sort of lifespan again in a system.

[Ziggy007]

The more I think about it the more I realize that perhaps Sony is looking more long term with their consoles. The cost of this system will be high yes, but development costs for future systems will be nothing because they can continuously use the Cell processor with additional/faster cores.

Microsoft will have to redesign every new console for processors etc etc.

[Kurtz7834]

The relative quiet in this thread reflects a few things:

-the PS3 is not showing up anytime soon. Probably early summer in Japan and early-mid fall in NA
-most of the details are up in the air and one can only speculate: price, launch titles, hell, even if it has a Blu Ray or HD DVD drive in it - And yes I'm well aware Sony is fighting hard for Blu Ray but it doesn't mean they will win. Personally I'd rather HD DVD win due to the backwards compatibility.
-the excitement over the Xbox 360 is stealing Sony's thunder this Christmas season. Sure there are still good PS2 titles coming out (Shadow of Collosus etc.) but the 360 is where the action and future will be

To be honest, I think the PS3 will prove to be the better system, but it will be late to the party and lose market share as a result. I will eventually own both systems I'm sure.

[Fantaz]

I predict the Xbox 360 will do really well until PS3 comes out, and then for a year or two they will probably share the market 50:50 and then after that the PS3 will dominate. :)

[Kurtz7834]

I predict the Xbox 360 will do really well until PS3 comes out, and then for a year or two they will probably share the market 50:50 and then after that the PS3 will dominate. :)

If this is true, and they do 'share the market 50:50' this will represent a huge loss for Sony.

[sleepyguy]

I'll probably end up picking up the 360 when the PS3 arrives... then pick up the PS3 when the xbox720 arrives... :)

[jerryhussain]

I predict the Xbox 360 will do really well until PS3 comes out, and then for a year or two they will probably share the market 50:50 and then after that the PS3 will dominate. :)
Thats on the lines of Piper Jaffray's predictions:

2005 XBOX 360 - 1.1 Million

2006 XBOX 360 - 6 Million
2006 PS3 - 1 Million

2007 - XBOX 360 - 7.2 Million
2007 - PS3 - 6 Million

2008 - XBOX 360 - 5.3 Million
2008 - PS3 - 8.6 Million

That is if the PS3 launches in 2006.


If this is true, and they do 'share the market 50:50' this will represent a huge loss for Sony.
Yeah as much as Sony likes to hold on to its precious market share, all they can do is go down.

I'll probably end up picking up the 360 when the PS3 arrives... then pick up the PS3 when the xbox720 arrives... :)
But then, we all would have already enjoyed our 360s for 1 year+ :twisted: Procastinating technology purchases is a bad logic, you already know that. ;)

[ledorky]

Thats on the lines of Piper Jaffray's predictions:

2005 XBOX 360 - 1.1 Million

2006 XBOX 360 - 6 Million
2006 PS3 - 1 Million

2007 - XBOX 360 - 7.2 Million
2007 - PS3 - 6 Million

2008 - XBOX 360 - 5.3 Million
2008 - PS3 - 8.6 Million

That is if the PS3 launches in 2006.



Yeah as much as Sony likes to hold on to its precious market share, all they can do is go down.


But then, we all would have already enjoyed our 360s for 1 year+ :twisted: Procastinating technology purchases is a bad logic, you already know that. ;)
Jerry, this is redflag, home of the cheapos. The 360 should have some really nice discounts by then :lol:

[jerryhussain]

Jerry, this is redflag, home of the cheapos. The 360 should have some really nice discounts by then :lol:
lol

But by the time PS3 releases, there will be something on the horizon then. :twisted:

[Nacster]

At first I was a little skeptical about the look of the new controller, but then I came across this article showing exactly how it will work in the hands of a gamer..I must say that it really does look comfortable and I have to give SONY a Thumbs Up for the design :cheesygri


http://www.forz.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/boomerangdebunked.gif

[Nitram]

At first I was a little skeptical about the look of the new controller, but then I came across this article showing exactly how it will work in the hands of a gamer..I must say that it really does look comfortable and I have to give SONY a Thumbs Up for the design :cheesygri


http://www.forz.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/boomerangdebunked.gif

I'm imitating the guy on the clip and it really doesnt feel that comfortable...

[Fantaz]

Yeah, I'm not liking the controller design. PS2 controller is still the best imo.

[tonychau]

I will try holding a banana tonight to see if it is comfortable or not ;)

[hyperion]

Thats on the lines of Piper Jaffray's predictions:

2005 XBOX 360 - 1.1 Million

2006 XBOX 360 - 6 Million
2006 PS3 - 1 Million

2007 - XBOX 360 - 7.2 Million
2007 - PS3 - 6 Million

2008 - XBOX 360 - 5.3 Million
2008 - PS3 - 8.6 Million

That is if the PS3 launches in 2006.



Yeah as much as Sony likes to hold on to its precious market share, all they can do is go down.


But then, we all would have already enjoyed our 360s for 1 year+ :twisted: Procastinating technology purchases is a bad logic, you already know that. ;)

That guy is pretty bad at estimating. I am willing to bet my xbox360 that Sony will sell more than 1 millon units in 2006...rotfl

Try 2-3 million in 2006, and the PS3 will have sold more units than xbox360 by beginning of 2007.

[rdtx2002]

those predictions are WAY off.....

[Kurtz7834]

Why are those predictions way off? Can the naysayers provide a counter argument?

For example, 360 is projected to far outsell the PS3 in 2006 as it will be on sale the entire year, whereas the PS3 will only be on sale for Q4 2006 and likely not even an entire 3 months. People who think the PS3 is gonna be launched this spring are dreaming, only in Japan and we'll see a Fall 06 Europe and N. America release date. Plus, it looks like the PS3 will be more expensive than the 360 at launch although an official statement on price has not been released.

If MS significantly cuts the price of the 360 on the eve on the PS3 launch (As I expect they will, MS are ruthless) it will do significant damage to Sony. I can see MS eating a large loss on the hardware to #$%@ over Sony.

It's all good for consumers as that will pressure Sony to lower the PS3 launch price or have MS take the majority of this next gen videogame market.

If someone thinks I'm wrong, please retort, I'm interested in your opinions.

[rdtx2002]

Why are those predictions way off? Can the naysayers provide a counter argument?

For example, 360 is projected to far outsell the PS3 in 2006 as it will be on sale the entire year, whereas the PS3 will only be on sale for Q4 2006 and likely not even an entire 3 months. People who think the PS3 is gonna be launched this spring are dreaming, only in Japan and we'll see a Fall 06 Europe and N. America release date. Plus, it looks like the PS3 will be more expensive than the 360 at launch although an official statement on price has not been released.

If MS significantly cuts the price of the 360 on the eve on the PS3 launch (As I expect they will, MS are ruthless) it will do significant damage to Sony. I can see MS eating a large loss on the hardware to #$%@ over Sony.

It's all good for consumers as that will pressure Sony to lower the PS3 launch price or have MS take the majority of this next gen videogame market.

If someone thinks I'm wrong, please retort, I'm interested in your opinions.


predictions are predictions... just like your comments.. it's just another speculatory comment.

I don't know what makes you think MS can screw over Sony this generation.. the XB360 hardware lacks proper HD output.. and Sony has the Blu-Ray as their trojan horse.. sure.. it comes down to the games.. but it would seem Sony has them also.

and yes. Sony has not announced their pricing yet... what if they do the same as ps2 and launch at 299$ (it's very possible this can happen) or a 349.99$ bundle? (don't believe the anal-ysts and their predictions of 500 bux.. .. they predicted PS2 to be 800 dollars).

remember... this is all speculation at the moment.. but from what i have seen so far.. XBox360 as been quite lacklustre.

[Kurtz7834]

predictions are predictions... just like your comments.. it's just another speculatory comment.

I don't know what makes you think MS can screw over Sony this generation.. the XB360 hardware lacks proper HD output.. and Sony has the Blu-Ray as their trojan horse.. sure.. it comes down to the games.. but it would seem Sony has them also.

Yes, predictions are predictions, any of us could be wrong, we don't have a crystal ball but it's fun to make educated guesses.

For the record, I have all 3 of the current gen systems, I like them all. I am not an MS or Sony fanboy. I have a 360 and while the current games are really not that amazing, I think the system has huge potential for first half of 2006 and beyond (drooling over Oblivion.)

But I think Sony is going to have to have an awesome PS3 launch lineup or they are going to be in real trouble, given that the PS3 will likely cost significantly more than the 360 in Q4 2006 (just my guess.) MS could get away with its mediocre current launch lineup as there's no next gen competition.

As for Blu Ray, I am guessing that the average gamer does not know what it is or care at the moment. People posting in this thread are generally the more hardcore gamers. It will likely take developers years to take advantage of the increased storage capacity of Blu Ray. If you use PCs as a comparison point there is no PC game I'm aware of using an installed size of more than 10 GB, and most games are still well under the 4.7 GB limit of traditional single layer DVD. Plus the added costs of Blu Ray are likely going to have to be passed onto the consumer, who in general is not screaming for this bleeding edge hardware.

What did you mean when you say 'the XB360 hardware lacks proper HD output'? I don't have an HDTV setup yet but my understanding is the 360 is well equipped in that department.

Anyone else have any comments? Heard any interesting PS3 info?

[Kurtz7834]

As most people will admit, the success or failure of a system mainly lies with the number of quality AAA titles. Maybe the PS3 will have vastly better games than the 360, but I'm skeptical. Here's why:

Put yourself in the shoes of a game developer studio. You want to make an awesome, cutting edge game with the latest in graphics technology. You're spending millions of dollars and want to release the game ASAP to recoup your high development costs. You also want to pick a platform with the highest possible installed user base (console owners.)

Which platform do you choose in early 2006? I'm guessing you'd choose the XBox 360. I mean, look at the sales projections for 2006 - 6 million 360 and 1 million PS3? Why would you want to limit your potential customers? Of course multiplatform development is also possible, but I would assume the 360 release would take priority. Of course the 360 and it's customers are here now whereas the PS3 and potential customers will not exist to Q4 2006 and be much smaller in numbers.

Why did a company like Square / Enix, who in recent past exclusively dealt with Sony, sign an agreement with Microsoft? The above may shed some light on that.

Of course the debate rages over which platform is easiest to develop for - the 360 or the PS3. I don't know much about the subject but I have heard from many that the 360 is easier to develop for. But maybe some coders can comment here.

Sony will probably counter with buying out developers to obtain exclusive rights a la Grand Theft Auto. However, this is costly for Sony and will become costlier as the 360 becomes the preferred platform in 2006, at least. As for 2007 it's too soon to guess.

I don't want to start a fanboy war, believe me, I love all the systems and competition is good but for the reasons outlined in this post and my earlier post I think Sony is in trouble and will not dominate the market the way it did with the PS2.

Keep in mind the above and that the 360 has a full year ahead of the PS3 in all likelihood to develop a larger library of good games.

BTW it is true Sony has had the exclusive best Japanese RPGs in the past and I think Sony will continue to dominate in Japan with the PS3. MS does not understand the Japanese market as well and will not dominate there IMHO. My comments refer to the N. American market and I think Sony will concede a large share of it to Microsoft (involuntarily of course) in the next 2 years.

Others please give your thoughts.

[tonychau]

Something tell me PS3's pricing will not be an issue, even it is priced at $600-$700cdn. Sony has successful branded its PS to the market from the previous two generation, plus PSP. Given Ps2 was "shipped" 100 million units up-to-date. For argument sake, from the 50 million units are users who bought their PS2 one time, the rest are replacement/repeat PS2 purchased. ;) Of the 50 million gamers if 10% is early-adopters who will purchase PS3 at any price level you are talking about 5 million people who are royal PS fanboys who are willing to dug deep money for PS3 at launch. Globe and Mail has an article on PS and coming generation that PS brands is such a household name that it will sell itself. Branding is the key here. Some for Xbox brand, MS has lost $4 billion since the Xbox launched at year 2001 just to brand it out to gamers. Now it is at 2nd place. Sorry Nintendo, I'm fan of Nintendo. I couldnot even defence Nintendo.

From witnessing the Xbox 360 launch, NA has about 800,000 units at launch. All units including preimum and core are sold out at launch, even priced at $500 cdn package, plus the ebay at $1500 cdn and above. When MS anounced the price and package, I was like yeah right, that is some crazy pricing and package and think who would even consider to buy core package. Look at it now, there is still alot of demand for Xbox 360. MS has predict 90 days they could reach 3 million units sold. Could you imagine when PS3 launches after 90 days Sony could sold 10 million units because of strong fans base. Now could Sony supply the demand in time?


Yes, predictions are predictions, any of us could be wrong, we don't have a crystal ball but it's fun to make educated guesses.

For the record, I have all 3 of the current gen systems, I like them all. I am not an MS or Sony fanboy. I have a 360 and while the current games are really not that amazing, I think the system has huge potential for first half of 2006 and beyond (drooling over Oblivion.)

But I think Sony is going to have to have an awesome PS3 launch lineup or they are going to be in real trouble, given that the PS3 will likely cost significantly more than the 360 in Q4 2006 (just my guess.) MS could get away with its mediocre current launch lineup as there's no next gen competition.

As for Blu Ray, I am guessing that the average gamer does not know what it is or care at the moment. People posting in this thread are generally the more hardcore gamers. It will likely take developers years to take advantage of the increased storage capacity of Blu Ray. If you use PCs as a comparison point there is no PC game I'm aware of using an installed size of more than 10 GB, and most games are still well under the 4.7 GB limit of traditional single layer DVD. Plus the added costs of Blu Ray are likely going to have to be passed onto the consumer, who in general is not screaming for this bleeding edge hardware.

Anyone else have any comments? Heard any interesting PS3 info?

[Kurtz7834]

Thanks for your comments Tonychau. It is true that the Playstation is currently the more established brand. This *may or may not* mean millions of guaranteed fanboy sales at launch. However, being the more established brand does not guarantee success. I offer the example of how the Playstation basically destroyed Nintendo's dominance in the market as the PS1 is generally considered to be a vastly superior system to the N64 and it was the newcomer. History shows that one should not get cocky being the market leader, Nintendo found out the hard way. Nintendo has been reduced to a small niche in the console market and looks to the handheld market for most of its revenue.

So you may be right but I'd say it's far from certain or even particularly likely. The PS3 will probably have a stronger launch than the 360, sales wise but it will be playing catchup, much like the XBox1 was to the PS2. And like the N64 was to the PS1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the N64 was launched in 96, right? And the PS1 was 94 or 95, right? I never had either system.

I believe that launch sales of the 360 are articially limited at 800,000 as from what I have read MS could not produce anywhere near enough 360s quickly enough to meet demand. Some have said it's a marketing ploy and artificial shortage but I disagree personally. The MSFT stock fell when MS announced its production run of 360s had been cut.

[tonychau]

I think you said it better then myself (red inks). Eventhough X360 launch titles were not as "amazing", do you consider x360 launch was successful or failure? ;)

Why are you still follow X360 even it has as so-so launch titles? It is becuase you like any gamers from X360 or PS, or Nintendo :D , they are strong believers and followers... Try answering this question for me, why did you "jump in" and get yourself X360 at launch, because.....

If you could answer the question, people will get PS3 like you have answered for getting your x360. The same reason. :)

In term of the game developer studio investing money in which systems, studio are in for the money. IF there is an outlet for releasing their titles Studio will develp them. Try answering this question for me, why did studio still develop games for Xbox v1.0 eventhough PS2 has a huge established fans base, because....

I'm a gamer myself, I won't be worry much about the consoles, as long as I can play the games I like and I'm having fun playing them.

Leave the numbers to the Marketing and Sales department.
Enjoy your games. :cheesygri

What are some 360 games you guys are excited about to be released in Q1 2006? I know Oblivion is one of mine.

I am interested in games with more depth a la RPGs. When is that new Bioware title due to be released?

Anyone else see any upcoming games that look great? I think we all can agree that the launch titles, while solid are really not amazing.



As most people will admit, the success or failure of a system mainly lies with the number of quality AAA titles. Maybe the PS3 will have vastly better games than the 360, but I'm skeptical. Here's why:

Put yourself in the shoes of a game developer studio. You want to make an awesome, cutting edge game with the latest in graphics technology. You're spending millions of dollars and want to release the game ASAP to recoup your high development costs. You also want to pick a platform with the highest possible installed user base (console owners.)

Which platform do you choose in early 2006? I'm guessing you'd choose the XBox 360. I mean, look at the sales projections for 2006 - 6 million 360 and 1 million PS3? Why would you want to limit your potential customers? Of course multiplatform development is also possible, but I would assume the 360 release would take priority. Of course the 360 and it's customers are here now whereas the PS3 and potential customers will not exist to Q4 2006 and be much smaller in numbers.

Why did a company like Square / Enix, who in recent past exclusively dealt with Sony, sign an agreement with Microsoft? The above may shed some light on that.

Of course the debate rages over which platform is easiest to develop for - the 360 or the PS3. I don't know much about the subject but I have heard from many that the 360 is easier to develop for. But maybe some coders can comment here.

Sony will probably counter with buying out developers to obtain exclusive rights a la Grand Theft Auto. However, this is costly for Sony and will become costlier as the 360 becomes the preferred platform in 2006, at least. As for 2007 it's too soon to guess.

I don't want to start a fanboy war, believe me, I love all the systems and competition is good but for the reasons outlined in this post and my earlier post I think Sony is in trouble and will not dominate the market the way it did with the PS2.

Keep in mind the above and that the 360 has a full year ahead of the PS3 in all likelihood to develop a larger library of good games.

BTW it is true Sony has had the exclusive best Japanese RPGs in the past and I think Sony will continue to dominate in Japan with the PS3. MS does not understand the Japanese market as well and will not dominate there IMHO. My comments refer to the N. American market and I think Sony will concede a large share of it to Microsoft (involuntarily of course) in the next 2 years.

Others please give your thoughts.

[imbane]

I hope it comes with the mouse and keyboard... :cheesygri

[tonychau]

Sign~~.. Nintendo... !!

I don't know where to start. Were Nintendo successful or failure in GC generation??

Nintendo did make money for this generation, but at a cost of losing huge fans base. :evil:

Nintendo loves to play different.

N64 era - cartiage games just stupid when the trend is adapting CD media
GC era - Mini DVD, and doesn't support DVD movie playback
REV ere - ignore HD support and 2 buttons controller. (Remote controller is ok for me, I understand the innovation and 3D senors)



If REV supports HD support the world would think is offering more gaming experience, even there is no games supporting HD, people would still going to get REV as it could offer HD... we all have a preception of Nintendo is behind the two leading gaming companys. People think the next thing is HD and it meant better graphic and resolution. Even REV could produce super graphic on standard TV and beyond PS3 and X360, people would still think it is lesser then HD.

Nintendo will be definitely the 3rd in the coming generation. I'm still a fan of nintendo, but Nintendo still don't know what get people hype up. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Thanks for your comments Tonychau. It is true that the Playstation is currently the more established brand. This *may or may not* mean millions of guaranteed fanboy sales at launch. However, being the more established brand does not guarantee success. I offer the example of how the Playstation basically destroyed Nintendo's dominance in the market as the PS1 is generally considered to be a vastly superior system to the N64 and it was the newcomer. History shows that one should not get cocky being the market leader, Nintendo found out the hard way. Nintendo has been reduced to a small niche in the console market and looks to the handheld market for most of its revenue.

So you may be right but I'd say it's far from certain or even particularly likely. The PS3 will probably have a stronger launch than the 360, sales wise but it will be playing catchup, much like the XBox1 was to the PS2. And like the N64 was to the PS1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the N64 was launched in 96, right? And the PS1 was 94 or 95, right? I never had either system.

I believe that launch sales of the 360 are articially limited at 800,000 as from what I have read MS could not produce anywhere near enough 360s quickly enough to meet demand. Some have said it's a marketing ploy and artificial shortage but I disagree personally. The MSFT stock fell when MS announced its production run of 360s had been cut.

[tonychau]

This SquareEnix branding out to food/drink!! the power of Branding

I will probably get myself a potion after an Exam, because I probably lost alot of HP studying it. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20051201/ffxii05.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20051201/ffxii06.jpg

[Fantaz]

Man, this is going to sell like hotcakes! Why didn't they think of this before?

[Moot]

Any info on what it is exactly? A link would be nice. Is it an energy drink or something? Or is it cologne that gives you a +10 bonus to sexual attraction? :lol:

[diabolical7]

It's fitting their slogan is 'welcome change'...because i'm going to welcome the change that all the sony fanboys will be buying 360's. Soooo sick of little kids telling me the PS2 is "so much better then the xbox" and that i'm just and idiot for saying that the xbox is a better system. ARggh. lol
checkmate!

[tonychau]

HEre is the info

http://www.suntory.co.jp/softdrink/FF/index.html

To celebrate the release of Final Fantasy XII in Japan on March 16th, Square Enix is teaming with drink maker Suntory for some Final Fantasy drinks. Available in any market, convenience store, and vending machine, the final name of the product hasn't been finalized except for the working title of "Final Fantasy XII potion."
Enclosed in a blue crystal-themed case, the drink is said to contain a mysterious flavor. made from various herbs. Suntory and Square Enix proclaimed "they hope to create a flavor that's never been done before," but when asked about what style of drink it would be, they compared the concoction to relaxing herb tea. It's Suntory time!

Japanese consumers will also be able to buy premium box sets of the potion drink that house Final Fantasy XII Art Museum Cards showing off main characters of the upcoming RPG. Now if Square Enix could only finish up development on the infinitely delayed game and set a solid US date.



Any info on what it is exactly? A link would be nice. Is it an energy drink or something? Or is it cologne that gives you a +10 bonus to sexual attraction? :lol:


It's a drink. If you can hold on your money later on the game, you should get Ultra-potion.

Final Fantany is entering reality. I guess the future FF series it would be real live fighting bada$$ bosses. o_O??

Here catch Intelligent potion (+1), you will need for exams!
IF i were you, i would not drink +10 beautiful potion, it might be too strong and turn you into those girly male characters in the FF series. ^o^~

[sfu_lifer]

Actually it looks like 400-500K units for the launch for the 360.
I think the 360 has lots of potential. Wait till Gears of War comes out.
Oblivion does nothing for me. I'd rather play it on the PC (cheat codes,huzzah!).
As for the PS3, blu-ray is not cheap and even Sir Stringer backed off his comments on pricing strategy for the 360. Sony can't take too big a loss (they will take a loss, that's for sure) to start off. I think they'll price it a $100 more than the 360. It's gonna be a nice machine but how much better than the 360 is the question. From what I've been hearing, not much better and Live is a very nice attraction for the 360. I love the Xbox marketplace.
Makes everything very easy to download, use. Really brainless which is how computing should be.
I look forward to the Revolution more than either console, to be honest. I love where Nintendo is taking gaming. I'll have all 3 just like this gen.

[ShadowVlican]

HEre is the info

http://www.suntory.co.jp/softdrink/FF/index.html

It's a drink. If you can hold on your money later on the game, you should get Ultra-potion.

Final Fantany is entering reality. I guess the future FF series it would be real live fighting bada$$ bosses. o_O??

Here catch Intelligent potion (+1), you will need for exams!
IF i were you, i would not drink +10 beautiful potion, it might be too strong and turn you into those girly male characters in the FF series. ^o^~
hey i got nothing against FF drinks :cheesygri BRING IT

FF EVERYTHING!!!!!!! FF RULES!!!! :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri :lol:

[jollyeskimo]

This SquareEnix branding out to food/drink!! the power of Branding

I will probably get myself a potion after an Exam, because I probably lost alot of HP studying it. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

What the.... Final Fantasy Potion used to be a collection of relaxational Final Fantasy music....

[P__S__2]

Cool FF potion drinks lol

[Fantaz]

They should start selling them at Pacific Mall.

[nfnx]

they prob already do lol.
check the bootleg stores... they prob hide them under the counter in red botltles.

[ShadowVlican]

What the.... Final Fantasy Potion used to be a collection of relaxational Final Fantasy music....
and good music it is indeed :)

[barrist]

PS3's Cell processor is only achieving 133GFLOPS, not 200GFLOPS, according to IBM
IBM recently released a white paper showing real results on what the cell processor can really put out:

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/?ca=drs-

At this year's E3 (or thereabouts) Sony proclaimed that their processor could achieve 200GFLOPS. However, according to IBM's white paper, only 155.5 GFLOPS was actually achieved (Table 4). BUT, IBM's tests used all 8 SPEs. The PS3 will only use 7 SPE's, due to manufacturing yield issues.

The efficiency of the Cell is 75.9% (Table 4), with of a theoretical peak of 201GFLOPs (Table 5)--running 8 SPEs at 25.12GFLOPS apiece (Table 2). Similarly, the theoretical peak for the PS3's processor will be 176GFLOPS, using 7 SPEs at 25.12GFLOPS apiece. Assuming the same 75.9% effieciency, we could easily interpolate the PS3's Cell to be capable of 133.6GFLOPS.

The take home message is that with the PS3 being cabable of 133.6 GFLOPS and the Xbox 360 being capable of 115.2 GFLOPS, the PS3 is not nearly as far ahead of the Xbox 360 as we were lead to believe. All in all, we should expect relatively similar power coming from both consoles, processor power and ease of programming all considered.

**note: this taken from a post at AVS

[jerryhussain]

Ha ha Sony caught with their pants down again for shady practicies (advertising 8SPE performance). :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

Xbox 360 also uses software to do the sound plus other housekeeping so 20% of one of the cores are used for that. The PS3 will actually only be 6 SPE's programmed for since the OS uses one also for housekeeping etc.

So there are lies being thrown around everywhere ;)

[jerryhussain]

Xbox 360 also uses software to do the sound plus other housekeeping so 20% of one of the cores are used for that. The PS3 will actually only be 6 SPE's programmed for since the OS uses one also for housekeeping etc.

So there are lies being thrown around everywhere ;)
I think you misunderstood it.

Advertised 8 SPE Flop figures
Reality CELL used in PS3 has 7 SPEs (for better yields according to Sony)

I dont think Microsoft is false advertising as Sony. (advertising triple core PPC cpu Flop figures and in reality giving dual-core PPC cpu) ;)

[Ziggy007]

I think you misunderstood it.

Advertised 8 SPE Flop figures
Reality CELL used in PS3 has 7 SPEs (for better yields according to Sony)

I dont think Microsoft is false advertising as Sony. (advertising triple core PPC cpu Flop figures and in reality giving dual-core PPC cpu) ;)

I thought it was going to have 8 SPEs but the 8th one was going to be a redundant one?

[JeiJei]

From a marketing perspective, I think what Sony is trying to do would be launching Blue-Ray movie/players into the market about the same time with the PS3.

Remember when Sony launched PS2? DVD players were still sorta expensive back then. The cheapest DVD player could probably ran u 150~200. And a significant amount of buyers (most of my frds who didn't play console that much) bought the PS2 as their home DVD player since the math in mind works out that the PS2 was 200 cheaper than its intro. price.

PS3 would be more future-proof IMO. Not to mentioned that today's games are growing in sizes, 360's DVD format is and will be a very big limitation for developers to work on. With current games we probably won't see the dif, but give it a few years, around 2007/08, MS would probably to make a 360 Squared or something to add in high capacity medium.

[barrist]

actually i think the FLOPS argument was debunked at AVS.

[ShadowVlican]

PS3's Cell processor is only achieving 133GFLOPS, not 200GFLOPS, according to IBM
IBM recently released a white paper showing real results on what the cell processor can really put out:

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/?ca=drs-

At this year's E3 (or thereabouts) Sony proclaimed that their processor could achieve 200GFLOPS. However, according to IBM's white paper, only 155.5 GFLOPS was actually achieved (Table 4). BUT, IBM's tests used all 8 SPEs. The PS3 will only use 7 SPE's, due to manufacturing yield issues.

The efficiency of the Cell is 75.9% (Table 4), with of a theoretical peak of 201GFLOPs (Table 5)--running 8 SPEs at 25.12GFLOPS apiece (Table 2). Similarly, the theoretical peak for the PS3's processor will be 176GFLOPS, using 7 SPEs at 25.12GFLOPS apiece. Assuming the same 75.9% effieciency, we could easily interpolate the PS3's Cell to be capable of 133.6GFLOPS.

The take home message is that with the PS3 being cabable of 133.6 GFLOPS and the Xbox 360 being capable of 115.2 GFLOPS, the PS3 is not nearly as far ahead of the Xbox 360 as we were lead to believe. All in all, we should expect relatively similar power coming from both consoles, processor power and ease of programming all considered.

**note: this taken from a post at AVS
wow.... must've read like fifty "theoretical" there... those numbers mean nothing... anyone who says PS3 is faster than Xbox360 BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS are *****heads

[Pete00]

I don't want to read through the 40 pages...so when does the PS3 debut in North America? And usually how far in advance can pre-orders be made at the stores? Thanks

[Ziggy007]

I don't want to read through the 40 pages...so when does the PS3 debut in North America? And usually how far in advance can pre-orders be made at the stores? Thanks

Sony hasn't given any specifics on launch, but analysts are saying it is most realistic to expect a fall 2006 launch for North America. I would expect pre-orders to start early next summer if that is true.

[jerryhussain]

I thought it was going to have 8 SPEs but the 8th one was going to be a redundant one?
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050519/104832/

[Nacster]

I came across an interesting article announcing that Pioneer Electronics has announced the industries first Blu-ray Disc computer drive, sporting Blu-ray burning, for the first quarter of 2006:


http://www.ps3portal.com/?view=article&article=238&PHPSESSID=ab5762133050924ce556f5c86a1ce117

[sfu_lifer]

I wonder what security crap they put into the PS3 and how much the blanks are gonna be. That should be a major deterrent for the first few years :)
I can't wait to see what Sony has in-store. Hopefully they have some non-tech demos and actual gameplay in the upcoming CES.

[jb22]

I wonder what security crap they put into the PS3 and how much the blanks are gonna be. That should be a major deterrent for the first few years :)

From what's been said, it seems that the DRM and anti-piracy methods will be rooted into the cell cpus themselves. It seems as if Sony is making is sound like it will be impossible to crack the PS3, which maybe true. All they would need to do is keep doing firmware updates just like the PSP, and people would be stuck being unable to play newer games. Or Sony coold be talking ***** just to make publishers and developers happy, along with all the movie studios signed on to release blue-ray movies.

[masterballer]

The PS3 and 360 wars will be won or lost due to NEW gamers. All the fan boys will buy what they like (360 or ps3).

People getting 1st concoles or people who care about $$ will choose 360, because its cheaper. When ps3 comes out it will cost more than the 360 (considerable amount more), and MS will cut prices down before ps3 launch.

PS3 is going to be good, BUT its not going to be so close that most people will rather get a much cheaper 360 than a ps3.

+ ps3 looks gay, from the grill look to the controller, just pure gaynes.

[masterballer]

Sony hasn't given any specifics on launch, but analysts are saying it is most realistic to expect a fall 2006 launch for North America. I would expect pre-orders to start early next summer if that is true.

fall? wtf i thought they said Q1 06? didnt they? are they backing up now? this gives the 360 a WAY bigger lead, and by the time ps3 comes out xbox will be able to bring the price really LOWER to kick sony where the sun dont shine :D

[Ziggy007]

fall? wtf i thought they said Q1 06? didnt they? are they backing up now? this gives the 360 a WAY bigger lead, and by the time ps3 comes out xbox will be able to bring the price really LOWER to kick sony where the sun dont shine :D

A Japan / Europe launch is more likely for the spring. North America will probably have to wait for the fall...

[ledorky]

A Japan / Europe launch is more likely for the spring. North America will probably have to wait for the fall...
No they don't have the units (nor the software) for Euro. Euro is dead last (as usual). Japan will be first and maybe they can make the end of Spring '06 launch.

[Nacster]

I came across another interesting article on the Sony PS3..I provided a link on the article below as well as the list of movies:

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http://www.ps3-live.com

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62313


Here's the list of Blu-Ray movies announced so far:

The Fifth Element
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Desperado
For a Few Dollars More
The Guns of Navarone
Hitch
House of Flying Daggers
A Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle
The Last Waltz
Legends of the Fall
Resident Evil Apocalypse
Robocop
Sense and Sensibility
Stealth
Species
SWAT
xXx
Black Hawk Down (be 2006 - disc of 50Go)
Bridge one the To rivet Kwai (be 2006 - disc of 50Go)


The Paramount studios announce in their turn their films to come in 2006 on Blu Ray:

. Aeon Flow
. Brothers Furnace
. Manchurian Candidate
. The Sahara
. Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow
. Sleepy Hollow
. The Italian Job
. Tomb Raider
. U2: Rattle and Hum
. We Were Soldiers


Twentieth Century Fox also announces their batch of films Blu Ray to come:

. Fantastic Furnace
. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
. Behind Enemy Lines
. Kiss of the Dragon
. Ice Age


Also:
In parallel, a journalist of the TheInquirer site could take a photograph of several Blu-Ray jackets. According to this person, the cases are slightly transparent, of color blue, and their form is appreciably different from current cases DVD. However, dimensions seem to be the same ones as a traditional case DVD.

http://www.ps3-live.com/news/blueray.jpg

By examining this famous photograph, one can add following films with the list of Sony:

. Behind Enemy Lines
. Dune 2000
. Fantastic Furnace
. Hero
. Lord Of War
. Pirates Of The Caribbean
. Dogs Tank
. The Sahara
. Tomb Raider
. Recall Total
. Troy

[Headhunter]

^ Whew, didn't buy any of those movies yet!

[JayPatel]

From Shacknews

Toshiba, the primary player in the HD-DVD standard, announced that its first HD-DVD players, which are backwards compatible with DVD, will go on sale in March at two price levels: $499 and $799. Sony has not yet announced definite prices for its standalone players, but they are likely to be in the $1,000 range. Sony noted that prices for actual BD-ROM movies will be higher than standard DVDs, but not significantly so.

1G for a BR player?? :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0

*update*

Pioneers player will cost $1800

Samsungs $1000.00
http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/1/samsung_bd.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/1/Pioneer-Elite-BDP-HD1.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Anyone else have any doubts they'll hit Spring '06 after this no-show?

[TheGame]

Anyone else have any doubts they'll hit Spring '06 after this no-show?
It won't be in North America for sure in Spring 06. Whether it will come out in Japan in Spring and NA in the Fall is the real question.

By the looks of it, unless Sony pulls out a surprise in their press conferences to be held tonight and tomorrow, don't expect to see the PS3 come out in the Spring. I can't see them waiting until E3 to announce a Spring launch--not enough time to build up "hype".

Plus, in regards to the point JayPatel brought up about BR players, Sony will be taking a big hit with each console sold. If the player is worth more than the cost of the whole system, I don't know how Sony can justify including Blu-Ray in the PS3. They're in a catch 22--either include blu-ray, gain an advantage over hd-dvd with an early start and take a big loss on the PS3 OR screw blu-ray (for now) and work on getting the PS3 at a lower cost to them. The 360 doesn't have hd-dvd, so why not leave the ps3 without BR.

Then again, there are also other issues aside from Blu-ray. Rumour has it that the PS3 has been very difficult to work with, and game developers are having difficulties making games. This is probably why we have yet to see the PS3 in action actually showing some games. Maybe they underestimated the difficulties in working with Cell technology?

[sfu_lifer]

It won't be in North America for sure in Spring 06. Whether it will come out in Japan in Spring and NA in the Fall is the real question.

By the looks of it, unless Sony pulls out a surprise in their press conferences to be held tonight and tomorrow, don't expect to see the PS3 come out in the Spring. I can't see them waiting until E3 to announce a Spring launch--not enough time to build up "hype".

Plus, in regards to the point JayPatel brought up about BR players, Sony will be taking a big hit with each console sold. If the player is worth more than the cost of the whole system, I don't know how Sony can justify including Blu-Ray in the PS3. They're in a catch 22--either include blu-ray, gain an advantage over hd-dvd with an early start and take a big loss on the PS3 OR screw blu-ray (for now) and work on getting the PS3 at a lower cost to them. The 360 doesn't have hd-dvd, so why not leave the ps3 without BR.

Then again, there are also other issues aside from Blu-ray. Rumour has it that the PS3 has been very difficult to work with, and game developers are having difficulties making games. This is probably why we have yet to see the PS3 in action actually showing some games. Maybe they underestimated the difficulties in working with Cell technology?
No market will get the PS3 in Spring '06. They can't launch in japan with very very few games.
My sources who are working with the PS3 say Sony knew what they were getting into with the Cell and how difficult it will be to program for. They just chalked it up to the usual developer bitching and their inability to embrace technology. They expect folks to "deal with it" just like with the PS2. I'm sure that will be the case in Years 2 & 3.
They can't have one w/o a BR drive at this point. Sony knows the PS3 is gonna be the trojan horse for BR and why so many companies have jumped on board the BR ship. I'm sure the PS3 will have some wonderful games but Sony is just being weird at this point. They always brag and this would've been the opportunity to do just that and stomp all over the 360 have they had any to show for. The fact they don't is very very troubling.

[Leshita]

Sony is still planning some sort of Playstation 3 event for February in Japan; so assuming they are not going to show anything at the CES right now, that will be the last opportunity they have to announce something. The February event will probably have to be a complete blowout if they are actually planning a spring 2006 launch in Japan though (North American launch would most likely be near the holiday season late in the year much like the Xbox 360 this year).

[Nacster]

An interesting read:

http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1136658434.3115.html

http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=9490

[tonychau]

Personally, I think X360 is out too early. There is no competition for customers to compare with. Most gamers just wait until Ps3 or rev launch before making a purchase decision.

The external HD-DVD for X360 is just dumn for eariler x360 adapted gamers.

I still love the most recently quote for Sony at CES keynotes:

"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." :D

They'll have a more carefully developed system, and when they finally come out, the Xbox 360 will be yesterday's news.

Maybe Sony duped Microsoft. By insinuating that the PlayStation 3 would be out this March, they had to put Xbox 360 development on overdrive to beat it. But now, with the Xbox 360 being perhaps a year or more ahead of the PlayStation 3, it may have made a Dreamcast of itself on accident.

Opinions vary, but the wide consensus regarding the Dreamcast's doom is that SEGA put it out too soon, around a year before the PlayStation 2 and Xbox -- so by the time the current generation had finally sunk in, the Dreamcast was already old news and old technology.


An interesting read:

http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1136658434.3115.html

[ledorky]

Personally, I think X360 is out too early. There is no competition for customers to compare with. Most gamers just wait until Ps3 or rev launch before making a purchase decision.

The external HD-DVD for X360 is just dumn for eariler x360 adapted gamers.

I still love the most recently quote for Sony at CES keynotes:

"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." :D
No the DC died because Sega couldn't afford it anymore. It did not die because of inferior hardware. In fact, when the PS2 launched, the DC's top titles looked better than any PS2 game at its launch and the DC titles arguably looked better than PS2 games until GT3 launched.
Sony is full of $**t as always. Many folks (incl Carmack) have said the PS3 is marginally better than the 360. So if you folks are expecting the CG that Sony has been promoting, I pity you greatly.

[Kurtz7834]

Personally, I think X360 is out too early. There is no competition for customers to compare with. Most gamers just wait until Ps3 or rev launch before making a purchase decision.

The external HD-DVD for X360 is just dumn for eariler x360 adapted gamers.

I still love the most recently quote for Sony at CES keynotes:

"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." :D

IMHO saying 'the 360 launched too early' is trying desperately to put a positive spin on Sony's blunders. The fact is the 360 is selling extremely well in N. America and Europe and the launches in those markets have been a success. It failed in Japan but this was expected by most.

The fact is the 360 is here now and people are buying it. Sorry Sony, but the next gen has started without you. That quoted comment is typical of the arrogance that is going to lose Sony a lot of market share in this next gen IMHO.

Sony can promise the world but it remains to be seen if the PS3 blows the 360 out of the water. Personally I doubt it will, and a year's head start is a lot of time for MS to build up a library of great games, perfect the hardware, lower production costs and likely get a price drop and Halo 3 ready for PS3 launch time.

Why were videogame sales down this Xmas 05 season? Part of the reason is the PS2 hardware is dated and gamers want to focus on the next gen. Many can't afford the 360 and Sony had no next gen offering for anyone to buy.

[sfu_lifer]

IMHO saying 'the 360 launched too early' is trying desperately to put a positive spin on Sony's blunders. The fact is the 360 is selling extremely well in N. America and Europe and the launches in those markets have been a success. It failed in Japan but this was expected by most.

The fact is the 360 is here now and people are buying it. Sorry Sony, but the next gen has started without you. That quoted comment is typical of the arrogance that is going to lose Sony a lot of market share in this next gen IMHO.

Sony can promise the world but it remains to be seen if the PS3 blows the 360 out of the water. Personally I doubt it will, and a year's head start is a lot of time for MS to build up a library of great games, perfect the hardware, lower production costs and likely get a price drop and Halo 3 ready for PS3 launch time.

Why were videogame sales down this Xmas 05 season? Part of the reason is the PS2 hardware is dated and gamers want to focus on the next gen. Many can't afford the 360 and Sony had no next gen offering for anyone to buy.

I don't think Sony is blundering all that much (no HD and a tacked-on GPU non-withstanding). They've done a lot right so far (Blu-Ray and raining on MS's 360 parade by lying outright about what the PS3 can do). I would've prefered it if MS replaced the DVD drive with HD-DVD for games along with the HD.

[Kurtz7834]

Did I read the above correctly? HD = harddrive, right? Is it true the PS3 will not have a harddrive, not even as an addon, purchased separately? Has Sony confirmed this?

[Tsukagi]

speculations...just wait peacefully for the release.

[Kurtz7834]

speculations...just wait peacefully for the release.

The speculation is the fun of it. I am enjoying playing my 360 *over the next year* while we await the PS3.

[JayPatel]

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2006/CES/day3/blurayvsdvd.jpg
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2006/CES/day3/blurayvsdvd2.jpg

[P__S__2]

:-0 :-0 :-0 at the firs shot!!!

[poppa]

at first I thought those were shots of software runnning on PS3, almost had a heart attack there.

[P__S__2]

at first I thought those were shots of software runnning on PS3, almost had a heart attack there.


lol same here.

[sfu_lifer]

Did I read the above correctly? HD = harddrive, right? Is it true the PS3 will not have a harddrive, not even as an addon, purchased separately? Has Sony confirmed this?
No built-in HD. Sony has said it'll be a Linux workstation if you want so I think it'll have a separate HD to buy later (at the usual Sony premium price).

[Kurtz7834]

No built-in HD. Sony has said it'll be a Linux workstation if you want so I think it'll have a separate HD to buy later (at the usual Sony premium price).

I'll have to assume this is true, and if it is, it pretty much rules out a PS3 purchase for me. I already have a 360 and a harddrive is a key feature in the next gen systems. I have had lots of fun with the free 500 MB demo download of Fight Night 3 from Xbox Live, plus the Ninja Gaiden Hurricane packs. I have downloaded Franz Ferdinand and Audioslave videos free from live. None of this would be possible without a harddrive.

To me, a harddrive included in the system at an affordable price is an essential feature. Bye bye Sony, there goes my money, and I bought a PS2 and a lot of PS2 games. I put up with the PS2's limitations as it's a years old system but I expect more from a premium priced PS3.

[(Bean)]

I'll have to assume this is true, and if it is, it pretty much rules out a PS3 purchase for me. I already have a 360 and a harddrive is a key feature in the next gen systems. I have had lots of fun with the free 500 MB demo download of Fight Night 3 from Xbox Live, plus the Ninja Gaiden Hurricane packs. I have downloaded Franz Ferdinand and Audioslave videos free from live. None of this would be possible without a harddrive.

To me, a harddrive included in the system at an affordable price is an essential feature. Bye bye Sony, there goes my money, and I bought a PS2 and a lot of PS2 games. I put up with the PS2's limitations as it's a years old system but I expect more from a premium priced PS3.

I 100% agree with the fact that PS3 needs a HD to get my money - the downloads are one of the biggest things about the 360. It is totally awesome being able to play the demo that the game websites just got instead of just reading and looking at pictures.

I have the 360, I will get the revolution for the unique new control and it will be cheap. PS3 is looking more like a no-way everyday.

[ledorky]

I 100% agree with the fact that PS3 needs a HD to get my money - the downloads are one of the biggest things about the 360. It is totally awesome being able to play the demo that the game websites just got instead of just reading and looking at pictures.

I have the 360, I will get the revolution for the unique new control and it will be cheap. PS3 is looking more like a no-way everyday.
For me I'm getting the PS3 since it looks like Blu-Ray is the winner in the next -DVD format wars. I doubt I'm gonna get too many games for it other than the few AAA titles like Gran Turismo and Metal Gear and rpgs. It'll be my hi-def upconverting DVD player :D

[mark_in_2k]

I'll definately hold out on the PS3 until the 1st significant price drop. And to not include a hard drive as standard (if it turns out to be true) would be shooting itself in the foot.

At this stage in the game, people should be seeing the final production unit if the system is to launch in the Spring in Japan. Developers haven't even received the final specs of the console!

From joysitq:

Josh Robinson, who claims to have developed for the PS3 over the past year using one of five developer kits released in North America, questions why Sony has yet to reveal and deliver the final box to developers. Considering that the console appears to be in a near-complete state, that could be a justified inquiry. From the article: "I started off VERY excited about the PS3. I was very confident that it was going to just destroy the XBOX 360 just on the name SONY alone. The more time that goes by the more I am becoming doubtful. Everything I’ve developed or seen developed has yet to be 'next gen.'"

He does note the difficulty in creating demos for a system without a final box and believes the unit's true "next-gen" potential won't be achieved until one year from launch. By limiting what's available in the form of developer kits, does Sony still have some cards up their sleeve?

[tonychau]

I wonder if sony uses Memory stick for HD to save online data, save files ..etc.

would you think differently?

I know using Memory stick not a bight idea, but it is still one option.

Time wise, I dont think there will be a spring launch in Japan. Given the time Developers haven't receive anything from Sony, maybe a earlier version of Development kit, but still Developers need time to develop games before the launch, since we hear nothing on any launch games or good working demo for PS3. There is not enough time to market and info the public.

I believe PS3 would launch at 2007.

I'll definately hold out on the PS3 until the 1st significant price drop. And to not include a hard drive as standard (if it turns out to be true) would be shooting itself in the foot.

At this stage in the game, people should be seeing the final production unit if the system is to launch in the Spring in Japan. Developers haven't even received the final specs of the console!

From joysitq:

[Ziggy007]

By the time the PS3 launches I think that MemoryStick media will be somewhat plausable as a hard drive. Currently the media comes as high as 4GB capacity (although at a ludacris price) but as time goes on and solid state is developed more, we could possibly see 2GB sticks going for $75 by next holiday season.

[jb22]

By the time the PS3 launches I think that MemoryStick media will be somewhat plausable as a hard drive. Currently the media comes as high as 4GB capacity (although at a ludacris price) but as time goes on and solid state is developed more, we could possibly see 2GB sticks going for $75 by next holiday season.

Actually you can get (or will soon be able to get) Memory Stick (Pro Duos) in 4gb and 8gb. The cheapest I've seen 2gb is $190 or so.

[ledorky]

By the time the PS3 launches I think that MemoryStick media will be somewhat plausable as a hard drive. Currently the media comes as high as 4GB capacity (although at a ludacris price) but as time goes on and solid state is developed more, we could possibly see 2GB sticks going for $75 by next holiday season.
$75 Cdn is a pipe dream by xmas 2006. Reading/writing performance would be hampered by USB 2.0 but at least the MS pro duo will be advantageous. Would be even better (wishful thinking, I know) for Sony to allow us to plug in our own USB2 external HDs.

[masterhapposai]

PS3 can't have a harddrive

the unit will be around $600 easy because of the blu ray player

[Ziggy007]

$75 Cdn is a pipe dream by xmas 2006. Reading/writing performance would be hampered by USB 2.0 but at least the MS pro duo will be advantageous. Would be even better (wishful thinking, I know) for Sony to allow us to plug in our own USB2 external HDs.

You can already pick up a SanDisk 2GB stick for $189.99 at Costco. Factor 11 months of technology in and you have 2GB sticks going for $75.

http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Common/Search.aspx?whse=&topnav=&culture=en-CA&search=memory%20stick

[ledorky]

You can already pick up a SanDisk 2GB stick for $189.99 at Costco. Factor 11 months of technology in and you have 2GB sticks going for $75.

http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Common/Search.aspx?whse=&topnav=&culture=en-CA&search=memory%20stick
1GB Pro Duos haven't come down to this price yet so no way it's gonna drop that much. Not even on a Boxing Day 2006. But if you're right, all the better :cheesygri

[masterhapposai]

This week's CNN Game Over speculates on how much the Playstation 3 will run: "Though Sony didn't reveal any PS3 information of note during CES, the prototype of the system was still one of the most popular attractions at its booth. CNN looks at possible pricing models for the system in this week's Game Over column, talking with both analysts and game developers. The general consensus, from those who work in - and keep watch on - the industry is the machine will likely run $499 when it hits the U.S., though some developers offer other opinions, including a price tag as high as $700."

nice price :razz:

[Kerlo]

Sony to release 2 new Memory Sticks in 2006 (http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=2&m_articles_articleid=305&PHPSESSID=7dc4ec920c65329ea69e781001cfd36d)

Sony announced today that 2 new Memory Stick Pro Duo capacities will be made available in 2006. These capacities are 4GB and 8GB. No prices have been announced as of yet, but this will likely serve to lower prices for all smaller capacity Memory Stick Pro Duos as well.

:D

[JayPatel]

Medal of Honor: Airborne. mix of target video and actual ps3 hardware screens supposedly.

http://tinypic.com/k4wokn.jpg
http://tinypic.com/k4worb.jpg
http://tinypic.com/k4x95l.jpg
http://tinypic.com/k4x9qt.jpg
http://tinypic.com/k4xa34.jpg
http://tinypic.com/k4xabr.jpg
http://tinypic.com/k4xan5.jpg

[ledorky]

I think some of those are in-game movies and non-controllable but that does look nice. Let's see them release in-game controllable shots :)

[The_Duke_Of_Eli]

I think some of those are in-game movies and non-controllable but that does look nice. Let's see them release in-game controllable shots :)

Those might just be real game scenarios, not movies. And even if they are, alot of new games look just as good or better then their cut-scenes (COD2-like which looks amazing on xbox 360).

About the 4gb/8gb; it's just too expensive for flash. We're paying let's say 200$ CND for a 2gb stick right now. The 4GB stick will not be seen for less than 350$ CND, and the 8gb for 500$. That's not practical when you start paying 2 times the cost of your console for memory. It'd be MUCH more economic to buy a USB drive host with bout 20GB for alot less and transfer all the files you'd like. It would cost you less than 200$. But of course it'd be huge. You'd have to carry it in a backpack with a USB cable running from the bag to the PSP. It would've been nice to have seen the PSP with a compact flash card slot or a large adapter. Then we could use a 200$ 5-8gb microdrive inside with not that much of a hit to the size of the player. I'm sure sony will address the issue at a large ensuent cost. We'll see.

[Fantaz]

Behold, Sony's new redesigned controller!

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/01/ps3-controller-yeah.jpg

[tonychau]

here is another one... sony has stole from ;)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5808/bbin6uc.jpg

[Sgt_Strider]

Sony to release 2 new Memory Sticks in 2006 (http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=2&m_articles_articleid=305&PHPSESSID=7dc4ec920c65329ea69e781001cfd36d)



:D

That's just crazy...I'm guessing the 8GB stick will be extremely expensive when release.

[Nacster]

I came across some cool Pics from another website form the CES show..I'm really sorry about the size of the Pics..I'm not really sure how to adjust that..Enjoy :cheesygri

LINK:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=233642&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

PREVIEW:

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ces2006/philips_06.jpg

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ces2006/verbatim_02.jpg

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ces2006/benq_02.jpg

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ces2006/sharp_03.jpg

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ces2006/panasonic_08.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

I may be blind but I don't see the PS3 in those shots at all.

From what I read (and heard from attendees who went there), they were still empty shells.

[jerryhussain]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2270&Itemid=2

[Moot]

September...yeah those fanboys wish. ;)

[Darthhaider]

So, September it is...

Ok, I have asked this elsewhere, but will ask it here too. My HDTV doesn't have HDMI inputs. Will I still be able to game in HD with my PS3, or will I be forced to use S Video or RCA cables? (Shuddering at the thought). Will I be able to watch Blu-Ray movies?
Thanks for any info you can provide.

[ledorky]

I doubt they can launch in both territories at the same time in September.
Remember MS and the poorly done 360 launch?

Sept (Japan) and October (NA) might be more feasible.
Nintendo will launch around November'ish.

Folks are still coming to grips with PS3 programming (still on beta kits) so expect a PS2-like launch with some crappy looking games relative to what's out on the 360.

[Ben31]

On their official site (http://playstation.com/products.html) its states Playstation 3 in Spring 2006... :lol:...are they not going to change that controller?....

[Furkmyster]

So, September it is...

Ok, I have asked this elsewhere, but will ask it here too. My HDTV doesn't have HDMI inputs. Will I still be able to game in HD with my PS3, or will I be forced to use S Video or RCA cables? (Shuddering at the thought). Will I be able to watch Blu-Ray movies?
Thanks for any info you can provide.

Bluray has copy protection that can force down-rezzing of component output, but it is up to the movie studio to turn that copy protection on, exact same as HD-DVD is. Does the PS3 have component outputs?

[Jon Lai]

Guess we'll all be dissapointed. Maybe it'll be cheaper this way. Who knows.

More information about this here:
http://emvee.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458

[Ben31]

PS3 to cost about $900...?....would you buy one :lol: ....if the rumors are true that it will cost $500 at launch...that is a $400 loss per console....for more info check the following link
PS3 estimated cost (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-estimated-to-cost-900-per-unit/)

[jerryhussain]

PS3 to cost about $900...?....would you buy one :lol: ....if the rumors are true that it will cost $500 at launch...that is a $400 loss per console....for more info check the following link
PS3 estimated cost (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-estimated-to-cost-900-per-unit/)
Those are predictions by ML. They predicted the PS3 to cost about $575 couple of months back and have now raised it to $900. (though that BOM adds up to $808 :cheesygri )

Anyway, all this is good PR for Sony. If the PS3 launches with a $500 price tag, people would go "Holy $@#@, I'm getting a $900 console for only $500 !". :lol:

[JustinCredible]

Anyway, all this is good PR for Sony. If the PS3 launches with a $500 price tag, people would go "Holy $@#@, I'm getting a $900 console for only $500 !". :lol:


No... they'll say "Holy $@#@, I'm waiting until the price becomes sane."

[joshmxpx]

No... they'll say "Holy $@#@, I'm waiting until the price becomes sane."

That's more like it, or they will say "Screw Sony, I can get a 360 for 399!"

Maybe even less, since Microsoft might lower their prices to compete and for the holiday seasons.

[jerryhussain]

No... they'll say "Holy $@#@, I'm waiting until the price becomes sane."
Unless your friends are all RFD'ers :razz: :lol:

PS3 will sell on brand name alone and with Sony leading them to believe that it is uber machine they'll think they are getting a bargain, even at $500.

[Hybrid88]

I've been a big ps2 fan and never really touched an xbox until a few days ago. With the xbox live it adds another dimension and with the live on the 360 its a positive over playstation3. Hopefully PS3 will have some sort of 'live' system in place for many of its games.

[BigBadBoo]

No matter the final launch price, some people will spend thousands for such a console. Funny thing is that I acutally think the xbox 360 will be a better buy later this year than the PS3. There seems to be lots of games coming out for xbox 360 that are already in development and close to being finished, while Im not sure about the PS3. I think the good games for PS3 will start coming out next year fall, while the xbox 360 should have good games starting to come out soon.

[rdtx2002]

P L A Y S T A T I O N 3

- Nvidia's Chief Financial Officer Marv Burkett said that they have completed the RSX graphics chip for PS3, and he expects Sony to begin manufacturing PS3 in late April.

- Sony Computer Entertainment Asia's VP Tetsuhiko Yasuda said Sony expects to ship over 100 million PlayStation 3 game consoles, and Sony aims to launch PS3 at the same time throughout Asia. He also said that Sony does not regard Xbox as a competitor, in fact Sony may work with Microsoft to develop games together in future.

- Clap Hanz confirmed that Minna no Golf 5 (Hotshot Golf 5) is coming to PlayStation 3.

- Zipper Interactive, the developer of the SOCOM series, said the company is working on a new multi-player title for PlayStation 3.

[rdtx2002]

P L A Y S T A T I O N 3

- Sony announced they will present the PlayStation 3 at the Taipei Game Show in Taiwan between Feb 16 - 20, 2006. The company will have 80 exhibition booths, 20 booths will be used for showcasing PlayStation 3. However it is uncertain whether Sony will be showing playable PS3 games or just non-playable demos at the show.

- Sony revealed that the retail price of Blu-Ray videos will be around US$23.45 or 2783 yen, which is approximately 20% than the price of DVD videos when it was first introduced in 1997. The first wave of Blu-Ray videos will be available in summer 2006.

- Sony also plans to release DVD + UMD movie bundles, which will be sold for US$28.95 or 3,435 yen. They plan to attract more people to watch videos on both PSP and DVD player. The first DVD + UMD bundles will appear on March 28, including: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Resident Evil, The Grudge, The Terminator and Underworld.

- Sony will release further more DVD + UMD bundles on April 25, 2006, including Ghost Busters, Mad Max, The Fifth Element and Snatch.

P L A Y S T A T I O N 3

- Reuters reported that Sony has confirmed a spring 2006 launch date for PlayStation 3, but no territory was specific, so the system maybe launched in Japan first. Sony has denied the online reports about the PS3 launch been pushed back to Q4 2006.

- PSM has reported new tidbits regarding to PlayStation 3, based on info provided by anonymous developers.

* There are far more game titles in development for PS3 than originally expected in US.
* Some developers have already received the final development hardware for PS3 in early January 2006.
* The performance of the PS3 hardware is faster than expected, PS3 also possesses a Digital Video Recording (DVR) function.
* Sony will have a content download service similar to iTunes, but will offer high definite films and music.
* PS3 will have Media Center capabilities similar to Xbox 360, but with more functions.
* Video and audio can be streamed over a home network, Sony is planning for a location free rendition over PSP.
* PSP will be able to exchange data with PS3; it is possible to upload multimedia contents from PSP to PS3.
* PS3 will have firmware update capabilities similar to PSP.
* PS3 will have more BluRay functionalities than a regular BluRay Player, because the Cell and RSX processor can do a lot more tasks while reading the discs.
* PS3 will launch in US in Autumn 2006, certain game titles will have online functions at launch.






Price should be about 40000 yen in Japan.

[jb22]

* PS3 will have more BluRay functionalities than a regular BluRay Player, because the Cell and RSX processor can do a lot more tasks while reading the discs.


This I don't get this at all. How can the PS3 have more funtions when it comes to playing back hi-def video compared to a stand alone blue-ray DVD player? I don't see how the Cell cpu or the GPU would really provide any "extra" features. I mean blue-ray and HD-DVD are designed to meet certain specs, so umless Sony will be releasing PS3 enhanced discs this sounds like pure marketing BS.

[sfu_lifer]

Sure it can have more functionalities, it can do a lot more but obviously the discs have to be specially made for the PS3 and not just any old Blu-Ray movie (see CDI).

But the stuff in there sounds like the usual Sony BS.
The BS meter from them (see PS2) is always sky high. I'd like to see them make it but I'm not holding my breath.

From what it sounds like they're trying to beat everyone who's best of breed and I highly doubt they'll make it.

The number of developers who've gotten final dev kits are very small (mainly internal teams) at the moment so I hope they hurry up.

They also need to lower down the UMD pricing (UMD movies haven't been selling lately) and also lower down the bundle pack's pricing. $29US is too frickin' expensive especially if you can just buy the DVD and convert it to the same quality using PMP Mod.

There will be a few playable games there, that's for sure.

All this for $400 US? Not happening.

[JeiJei]

^
I think it's fairly simple. Many current DVD-Video has computer-only extra features. I don't see any difficulty implementing some sort of PS3/PC enhanced features on it to run.

Or even some online features for BD titles. Most ppl who buy next-gen console will plug them with internet, while I hardly see any announced BD/HD-DVD player with network ready. But I could be wrong.

[jerryhussain]

- Nvidia's Chief Financial Officer Marv Burkett said that they have completed the RSX graphics chip for PS3, and he expects Sony to begin manufacturing PS3 in late April.
Hmm, so the affirmation that RSX was "twice as fast as two 6800 Ultras" was pulled out of thin air. :cheesygri


- Sony announced they will present the PlayStation 3 at the Taipei Game Show in Taiwan between Feb 16 - 20, 2006. The company will have 80 exhibition booths, 20 booths will be used for showcasing PlayStation 3. However it is uncertain whether Sony will be showing playable PS3 games or just non-playable demos at the show.
Really?
Just what was on display at the Taipei Game Show? The same three PS3 boxes we've come to know and love: the silver, white, and black shell design (all of which are reportedly empty), and the boomerang-style controller was on display, too.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060217-6207.html



- Sony also plans to release DVD + UMD movie bundles, which will be sold for US$28.95 or 3,435 yen. They plan to attract more people to watch videos on both PSP and DVD player. The first DVD + UMD bundles will appear on March 28, including: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Resident Evil, The Grudge, The Terminator and Underworld.

- Sony will release further more DVD + UMD bundles on April 25, 2006, including Ghost Busters, Mad Max, The Fifth Element and Snatch.
On the flip side, Sony to cut down on UMD movie releases (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/2/16/2889).


- Reuters reported that Sony has confirmed a spring 2006 launch date for PlayStation 3, but no territory was specific, so the system maybe launched in Japan first. Sony has denied the online reports about the PS3 launch been pushed back to Q4 2006.
Well now they have jumped to "will ship this year" (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060217-6207.html).

Sony, you just broke the BS meter. :cheesygri

[Bunkhouse]

* The performance of the PS3 hardware is faster than expected, PS3 also possesses a Digital Video Recording (DVR) function.
* Sony will have a content download service similar to iTunes, but will offer high definite films and music.
* PS3 will have Media Center capabilities similar to Xbox 360, but with more functions.
Yet to be able to do these you'll need to purchase the add-on Harddrive which could hit about $200 for a decent sized one.
http://www.playstation.com/products.html
---------------------------------------------
Anyone remember crazy claims of the PS2 before launch?:
"PlayStation 2 chip is to have data-processing speed several times faster than that of Intel's Pentium III"

"will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar's Toy Story"

"Employing a networking strategy that, it says is pivotal to the whole PlayStation concept, SCE is working with partners such as Digital Networking Solutions and Sky Perfect TV Satellite Communications, to move toward the provision of a whole host of digital provisioning via the PS2. This will include the delivery of movies, music, financial services and insurance to users on demand."

"With this planned networking ability and the connection options (to PCs, portable computers, STBs, digital cameras and so forth) using LSI Logic's I/O processor, the PlayStation 2 looks set to finally realize the provision of centralized, multi-sourced information through a single box that others in the industry have long been predicting."

"June 15, 1999 - Reported yesterday by The New York Times, the Department of Commerce stamped Sony's next generation PlayStation Emotion Engine as a "supercomputer" too powerful to export to China.

US law dictates that supercomputers may not be exported from the US to sensitive countries, such as China, to increase in any way their technological intelligence, particularly with regard to the Chinese military, or those associated with it. The Los Angeles Times also reported on the subject, but with less ballyhoo, saying that the Department of Commerce is only looking into Sony's new system."

"July 2, 1999 - With the PlayStation 2's power becoming a national example of super-powerful technology in the legislature, the face of videogames is certainly turning anew. Yesterday, the Clinton Administration said it will relax restrictions on the kinds of technology US companies can export to Eastern countries, and may have provided the first glimpse of the new PlayStation."

"Harrison also explained that Sony is looking into a "Print Shop" kind of software that uses digital imaging. "The PlayStation 2 may ship with software enabling users to import photographs from a digital camera," Harrison began. "Users can animate these in 3D, add sounds, and email them to their family or friends, just like a greeting card.""

"Sony now plans to provide the content (the movies), to use the distribution channel (via broadband networks) from Sony's own large servers, and the final medium (PlayStation 2), theoretically wrapping up the entire set of channels for home entertainment."

"Sony plans on launching a major initiative for PlayStation 2 loosely referred to as its e-commerce program, in which consumers can download games and movies over broadband networks to a future hard drive attached to their PlayStation 2. Sony predicts that bandwidth will be freed up by the year 2001 as the Internet grows more mass market, and wants to take full advantage of its potential."

[Kurtz7834]

Some funny stuff here from Sony's mouth, especially the bit about the Xbox not being a competitor. Too bad this claim has no credibility or basis in any sort of reality.

They have still not announced the North American price, interestingly. And they are being very murky and vague about games in development and launch availabilty.

Basically in the next gen war, I decided to purchase one or the other, PS3 or 360. I don't really consider the Revolution to be a contender here, more of a niche player. Of the current gen I have XBox, Gamecube and PS2, but I won't be able to acquire all the next gen systems for years, when there are big price drops.

I chose to get a 360 at launch and pass on the PS3 at launch, until price drops come. I think the 360 will be cheaper and prove to be a better value with the included harddrive, for example. I don't care about Bluray functionality, maybe in a few years but let the early adopters pay through the nose now.

The PS3 will probably be a very good system but paying $450 plus tax for a 360 Premium is about my price limit. It looks like the PS3 is gonna cost over $800 (tax in) with an add on harddrive and that's just crazy.

Also, about the forced firmware updates on PS3 a la PSP, that will make modding verrry difficult.

[Bunkhouse]

I'll be grabbing the revolution at launch for free online play (& since i don't have an HDTV and am quite impressed with the free wifi gaming service the DS currently has). And provided the games are decent, i'll grab a PS3 when it hits the $350 CA mark at which time i should have an HDTV.

[(Bean)]

Well its REVOLUTION at launch for me - cheapest and probably most quality gameplay. I am certainly glad I made the DS choice - probably one of my best system choices yet. I already have a 360 (launch day) - so far just so-so. I love the ability to download demos and a few other of the features - as far as games, gameplay meh. But I will hold judgment till March - the promised month of games. Graphics are nice but games have to be fun.

With every passing day the likelihood of my buying a PS3, without very good reason, drops or should I say plummets. It started when announced that this will be the one I will buy - but after delays as well as the PSP fiasco, the awful controller as well as the launch price and if it requires you to buy an addition HD just to perform half its functions it is looking more like a joke everyday. As far as the hype Sony keeps vomiting out - I think the PS2 showed the lies they are willing to spread. Basically the way Sony will tell outright Lies to hype the machine has become like gangrene - quite the disease. I can't wait to see how they implement there DRM - knowing them it will make the system completely unusable.

As you can tell I have become very disillusioned with PS3 - but this doesn't mean I won't buy it - it means I will not buy on launch day - they will have to win me back not just expect my blind and foolish loyalty.

As for them not competing with 360 or Revolution - I think they are right, unless they change there business style they won't. Not because they don't want to but because they can't.

[BigBadBoo]

- Sony Computer Entertainment Asia's VP Tetsuhiko Yasuda said that Sony does not regard Xbox as a competitor, in fact Sony may work with Microsoft to develop games together in future.


LOL! Xbox is not a competitor? Are they kidding me? In any case, I can see Nintendo being bought out or partnered with MS to produce games for Xbox 360 than a Sony / MS partnership. Nintendo is known for its games, Sony is known for its hype, and MS is known for its mammoth bank account.

[hyperion]

Man if PS3's online service is $60 like Xbox's, I won't buy that either. Too much to pay for a recreational gamer who just wants to play with his friends once on a while..

Make it free and that might be the final deciding factor in selling the Xbox360 and buying a PS3.

[Bunkhouse]

I can see Nintendo being bought out or partnered
Well maybe if Nintendo starts losing money that could happen, but given that they been making nothing but Net profit i find that hard to believe.

"The nine-month cumulative result of 92.2 billion yen has already beat its official forecast of 75 billion yen for the year and analysts' consensus estimate of 77.5 billion yen.

The company posted a full-year net profit of 87.4 billion yen a year earlier."
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/01/26/nintendo.reut/

Meanwhile Sony:
"In the first half, Sony made an operating profit of 50.63 bln yen"
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/10/27/afx2302512.html

[sfu_lifer]

I"m gonna buy a PS3 to flip on eBay :lol:
The PS3 games aren't gonna be good until 2007 due to the programming difficulties with it. Expect 360 quality or less at launch. I know a few PS3 programmers and they're always bitching about it. It's even harder than PS2 regardless of what some Devs have claimed last year.
Leave it to Sony to make it difficult for Devs and consumers just because they're Sony and it's their way or the highway arrogance. That is the main reason why everyone hates Sony. They're probably the most publicly arrogant company around right now (outside of Oracle).

[ledorky]

Read this from Kotaku (likely true story as it's also on ruliweb):
With Sony announcing that the PS3’s online support will be similar to Microsoft’s, it is only natural for the Japanese electronics giant to approach Korea’s online gaming industry for help. South Korea boasts one of the strongest online gaming communities globally. Sony Computer Entertainment Japan and KIPA (a Korean government agency that promotes IT) co-organized a business proposal PS3 event for developers in Korea.

The meeting didn’t go as planned and ended in a heated Q&A. Korean developers were upset and offended. Kotaku reader Torokun kindly provided us with a translation of the main issues:

1). KIPA and SCEJ will provide the entire development cost for an online PS3 title. The project will be funded up to the Alpha version. Moreover, the PS3 tool kit and support will be provided. There’s also an option for the team to become a first party developer. The game will be published under SCE in Japan. A worldwide release will follow. Korean developers were pleased with these terms. (The remaining ones pissed ‘em off.)

2). Even if the prototype of the game is finished, the quality or marketability could be deemed “low” (a subjective term not clarified by either Sony or KIPA), the entire development cost would need to be paid to KIPA.

3). Since the game is slated for the PS3, the entire rights including the source code would be owned by Sony — regardless of whether the title is published or not.

4). If the game is successful and a sequel is made, Sony will own all rights to the title.

5). When the game is released, all initial profit will go to the SCEJ to cover the development cost. After that is paid off, Sony and the development team would divide the remaining profit. However, at what percentage the development team starts to receive profit cannot presently be revealed.

--------------------
This sounds so much like Sony. Man, the arrogance of that company is staggering and makes it that much easier to hate the conglomerate.

[Kurtz7834]

I"m gonna buy a PS3 to flip on eBay :lol:
The PS3 games aren't gonna be good until 2007 due to the programming difficulties with it. Expect 360 quality or less at launch. I know a few PS3 programmers and they're always bitching about it. It's even harder than PS2 regardless of what some Devs have claimed last year.
Leave it to Sony to make it difficult for Devs and consumers just because they're Sony and it's their way or the highway arrogance. That is the main reason why everyone hates Sony. They're probably the most publicly arrogant company around right now (outside of Oracle).

Ditto, after seeing the ridiculousless about the 360 shortage I'm gonna try and flip a launch date PS3 too, and pay for part of my 360. It's just not worth owning a console at launch, the X360 has been glitchy, very few games available, and everything is so expensive. I see no reason why the PS3 circa launch will be any better.

Maybe I'll own a PS3 in late 07 or sometime in 08 when the price comes down, good games are out and hardware glitches are ironed out. I like my 360 but it's the last time I'll buy a console at launch, to keep at least.

[jerryhussain]

More bad news for Sony:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2006-02-20-sony-ps3_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

[joshmxpx]

Sony's shares fell as much as 4.4% on Monday after Merrill Lynch said in a research note last week that the PS3's launch might be delayed six to 12 months and the cost of production could initially approach $900 per unit.

What a shocker!

If there was a 12 month delay on the PS3, the results could be quite disastrous for Sony, with Microsoft slowly evening out the playing field.

[Bunkhouse]

"we are told that Sony will not be able to meet its initial target of 1080p Full HD that it had originally set and will instead deliver 720p and will upscale it or allow the new TVs to do so. This, apparently, will save CPU cycles and will save gamers from the dreaded loss of frame rate."
http://www.ps3news.ca/02202006/18/sony_ps3_will_not_output_1080p_as_promised

In other news,(I'd consider this a rumour for now)

[ledorky]

"we are told that Sony will not be able to meet its initial target of 1080p Full HD that it had originally set and will instead deliver 720p and will upscale it or allow the new TVs to do so. This, apparently, will save CPU cycles and will save gamers from the dreaded loss of frame rate."
http://www.ps3news.ca/02202006/18/sony_ps3_will_not_output_1080p_as_promised

In other news,(I'd consider this a rumour for now)
That's actually quite true and not just a rumor. Better news for PS3 fans though, the RSX in the PS3 is very close in real-world performance with what's inside the 360.
BTW, some 360 games do this also (they all don't render at 720p, some are upconverted).

[kud0s69]

Wonder if they are going to team up with Duke Nukem's producers and have a Playstation Forever version?

[gilboman]

Well maybe if Nintendo starts losing money that could happen, but given that they been making nothing but Net profit i find that hard to believe.

"The nine-month cumulative result of 92.2 billion yen has already beat its official forecast of 75 billion yen for the year and analysts' consensus estimate of 77.5 billion yen.

The company posted a full-year net profit of 87.4 billion yen a year earlier."
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/01/26/nintendo.reut/

Meanwhile Sony:
"In the first half, Sony made an operating profit of 50.63 bln yen"
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/10/27/afx2302512.html

um..you realize that is nintendo's FULL YEAR profit while that is only half year of sony profit right?

sony's market cap is a lot larger anyways, so it doesnt matter what their profits are if sony wants to buy nintendo. it's not like businesses use cash to buy others out. just flip some sony shares for nintendo.

but dont see that happening, nintendo is a 2nd tier gamming company now anyways no point for big boys to buy them out since they would just absorb obolete stuff. more likely for nintendo to pull a sega and get out of hardware

[tonychau]

Sony's shares fell as much as 4.4% on Monday after Merrill Lynch said in a research note last week that the PS3's launch might be delayed six to 12 months and the cost of production could initially approach $900 per unit.

I hate it when the Sony is restock rebounce about 12 months!
Is there any truth to Merrill Lynch's repoort?

From the stock market reaction, I guess some investers believe Merrill Lynch is correct. What if Merrill Lynch is wrong? Could the investors sue Merrill Lynch for missrespresentation?

[bisk]

um..you realize that is nintendo's FULL YEAR profit while that is only half year of sony profit right?

sony's market cap is a lot larger anyways, so it doesnt matter what their profits are if sony wants to buy nintendo. it's not like businesses use cash to buy others out. just flip some sony shares for nintendo.

but dont see that happening, nintendo is a 2nd tier gamming company now anyways no point for big boys to buy them out since they would just absorb obolete stuff. more likely for nintendo to pull a sega and get out of hardware

:lol: I can't believe how brainwashed you are. Nintendo is the most profitable out of the three Console makers. Microsoft has yet to make a profit on either of their Xbox consoles and Sony just keeps digging a hole. How the hell can you say that Nintendo is a "2nd tier" gaming company? :confused: The NDS continues to outsell the PSP in both hardware and software; Nintendo has more top 10 games out for the DS then the PSP. I think you need to erase all the crap the Sony has been feeding you for the past couple years and open your eyes!

[Blunt]

I hate it when the Sony is restock rebounce about 12 months!
Is there any truth to Merrill Lynch's repoort?

From the stock market reaction, I guess some investers believe Merrill Lynch is correct. What if Merrill Lynch is wrong? Could the investors sue Merrill Lynch for missrespresentation?

Read ALL the reports my friend. The Merrill Lynch report not something shocking. Everyone in the industry is was already saying the there will be no Spring 2006 of the PS3. And, it has been clearly stated that the PS3 is gonna be expensive. min $600. The $900 is the high range in the Lynch report. I'm not that into gaming, but I do following the scene and Sony is always full of crap. Besides their TV (which is made with Samsung), I wouldn't touch another Sony product. Sony is becoming a plagued name brand.

[(Bean)]

um..you realize that is nintendo's FULL YEAR profit while that is only half year of sony profit right?

sony's market cap is a lot larger anyways, so it doesnt matter what their profits are if sony wants to buy nintendo. it's not like businesses use cash to buy others out. just flip some sony shares for nintendo.

but dont see that happening, nintendo is a 2nd tier gamming company now anyways no point for big boys to buy them out since they would just absorb obolete stuff. more likely for nintendo to pull a sega and get out of hardware

I think the disease has got hold of you - Sony's Hype gangrene - it often happens to fanboys. Best to amputate your brain right now, things will only get worse as it spreads. Nintendo is pulling in lots of cash - that's not Nintendo's problem. Nintendo doesn't take the big hardware hit that Sony and MS do - I think the GC and DS were profitable or break even hardware wise on day one. They don't lose hundreds on each system to start - funny when you compare graphics between the PS2 and GC.

[Bunkhouse]

PS2 used alot of developed technology that Sony dumped alot of money into ie. "emotion engine" and such, Because the parts have to be custome made in small quantities the price is alot higher, the Gamecube used a modified ATI graphics chip which was based on an existing product so the cost was low and performance was high. Which is the same reason PS2 is almost double the price of Gamecube while the graphical performance is in Gamecube's favor.

I'm afraid the same thing will happen to PS3 with the CELL bringing up the cost too much for no benefit over a typical lower cost CPU. Sure CELL & Emotion Engine sound cool, but the performance/cost ratio just doesn't cut it. Sony likes to claim theoretical performance numbers, while Nintendo claims real world performance numbers, the sad part is when gaming sites compare the released numbers one to one.

[gilboman]

I think the disease has got hold of you - Sony's Hype gangrene - it often happens to fanboys. Best to amputate your brain right now, things will only get worse as it spreads. Nintendo is pulling in lots of cash - that's not Nintendo's problem. Nintendo doesn't take the big hardware hit that Sony and MS do - I think the GC and DS were profitable or break even hardware wise on day one. They don't lose hundreds on each system to start - funny when you compare graphics between the PS2 and GC.

go take a basic business course or just read the business section.

sony's market cap is a lot bigger than nintendo, meaning the company is worth more. if (not that they would) wanted nintendo, they'll just exchange part of their stock for nintendo.

you know the games is 25billion industry right? sony has 70% of that. think about it. ;)

i dont like the playstation particularly and agree its mostly hype, but that doesnt change reality that sony has 70% of the gamming market and consequently 70% of the very profitable games market ;)

[gilboman]

:lol: I can't believe how brainwashed you are. Nintendo is the most profitable out of the three Console makers. Microsoft has yet to make a profit on either of their Xbox consoles and Sony just keeps digging a hole. How the hell can you say that Nintendo is a "2nd tier" gaming company? :confused: The NDS continues to outsell the PSP in both hardware and software; Nintendo has more top 10 games out for the DS then the PSP. I think you need to erase all the crap the Sony has been feeding you for the past couple years and open your eyes!

2nd tier because sony has more than 4x the marketshare that nintendo does.

profit has nothing to do with 1st or 2nd tier. nintendo is not going to increase its market share nor any plans to do anything about that. thus 2nd tier. they also don't want anythign to do with the forefront of technology thus, 2nd tier.

2nd tier = low market share, no innovation, no plans to do anything about that.

[(Bean)]

go take a basic business course or just read the business section.

sony's market cap is a lot bigger than nintendo, meaning the company is worth more. if (not that they would) wanted nintendo, they'll just exchange part of their stock for nintendo.

you know the games is 25billion industry right? sony has 70% of that. think about it. ;)

i dont like the playstation particularly and agree its mostly hype, but that doesnt change reality that sony has 70% of the gamming market and consequently 70% of the very profitable games market ;)

What this post has to do with what I said is exactly NOTHING. All I said is your wrong about Nintendo folding up on the Hardware side because of money woes. I 100% agree Nintendo is a smaller company - but they are doing well - they aren't losing money. A company any size company that is making a profit is good. The smaller the company the less profit they need to keep going.

As to the home console this round is SONY they made the money no doubt. But the DS is selling more than the PSP yet PSP cost more to Develop and build than the DS. So how do you think Nintendo is doing on the DS. You don't need a business degree to know that DS is profitable for Nintendo.

I don't think at this point Nintendo is even close to closing up shop - it will take some absolute failures on both the home and portable console to make that happen.

As to the right angle turn you took to answer my post - about Sony buying Nintendo - I have no doubt that Sony as a whole if they wanted to could go after Nintendo. I just wonder if other companies like MS would just standby and watch it happen if Nintendo was fighting it.

2nd tier = low market share, no innovation, no plans to do anything about that.

just to comment on this - I think the no innovation thing shows how little you are following the next gen systems. Nintedo is taking huge risks with the revolution to innovate - and just look at the DS. Nintendo is trying to innovate video games more than anyother company. Sony and Xbox are trying to innovate the hardware - pvr, media boxes etc. ONLY Nintendo is innovating video games.

[ledorky]

:lol: I can't believe how brainwashed you are. Nintendo is the most profitable out of the three Console makers. Microsoft has yet to make a profit on either of their Xbox consoles and Sony just keeps digging a hole. How the hell can you say that Nintendo is a "2nd tier" gaming company? :confused: The NDS continues to outsell the PSP in both hardware and software; Nintendo has more top 10 games out for the DS then the PSP. I think you need to erase all the crap the Sony has been feeding you for the past couple years and open your eyes!
That's not true. The Gamecube is barely breaking even for Nintendo.
All their main profit is with the handhelds. They lose that and it's gonna be very dicey for Nintendo.

[gilboman]

just to comment on this - I think the no innovation thing shows how little you are following the next gen systems. Nintedo is taking huge risks with the revolution to innovate - and just look at the DS. Nintendo is trying to innovate video games more than anyother company. Sony and Xbox are trying to innovate the hardware - pvr, media boxes etc. ONLY Nintendo is innovating video games.

how are they innovating with upgrading some parts on gamecube and call it their next gen :confused:

[Ben31]

how are they innovating with upgrading some parts on gamecube and call it their next gen :confused:


Innovation in terms of how the games are being played with the new innovative controller that Nintendo will include with the Revolution....as persey the definition of innovation
innovation - the act of starting something for the first time; introducing something new

so in regards to the Xbox360, what has Xbox360 introduced that hasn't been done before?...games implemented with high-definition and thats about it...

what will the PS3 have in terms of something new something innovative?...games on Blu-ray disc....and that is just about it...imagine the load times on those games... :D

how will games be played on both PS3 and Xbox360?...the same, games will just have better graphics and again... that is just about it... :D

[sfu_lifer]

Well PS3 will have HDMI, Blu-Ray and a buttload of DRM technology built in to make it difficult for consumers to truly enjoy the console's capabilities :lol:

It also has the overhyped Cell chip (which is just a PPC with 8 DSP's built in, but only 7 in actual use, and 6 programmable). It'll also use next-gen Rambus tech and for once, a PC processor on board. We'll see how well it does. I hope MS and Rev take back marketshare bigtime since Sony has gotten too arrogant just like Nintendo before.

I think only Nintendo is really innovating and trying to reach consumers who otherwise won't touch a videogame console, thus expanding the business outside of the shrinking hardcore gaming market. As we all have gotten older, it's just too much time involved in enjoying games nowadays and many of us have become casual gamers.

[(Bean)]

I think only Nintendo is really innovating and trying to reach consumers who otherwise won't touch a videogame console, thus expanding the business outside of the shrinking hardcore gaming market. As we all have gotten older, it's just too much time involved in enjoying games nowadays and many of us have become casual gamers.

Agreed 100% and 110% with the bolded sections. Now on to the guy who suffers from Sony fanboyism to such a terrible degree it maybe to late for him.

how are they innovating with upgrading some parts on gamecube and call it their next gen :confused:

Guess what I am really surprised that once AGAIN you miss the point of my post completely. Especially since I clearly said it twice. Maybe from now on I should do like you and respond with something off the wall like - "why would you say grass is black", when you don't even refer to the color black in your post. I don't know if you are just skimming my post or responding to another post and quoting mine but if you are going to quote me atleast respond to what I have actually said.

If you look again at my post that you quoted I said Nintendo is the only company trying to innovate VIDEO GAMES. Thats right they are trying to change the way we play games. I also said it is MS and Sony who are doing all they can to innovate the hardware - latest and greatest and tons of new features, it makes sense for them, they are diverse companies. They are doing nothing to change game play - its the same thing over and over just better graphics. Why because video games is a small piece of the puzzle for MS and SONY with Nintendo it is all the have.

[joshmxpx]

If you look again at my post that you quoted I said Nintendo is the only company trying to innovate VIDEO GAMES. Thats right they are trying to change the way we play games. I also said it is MS and Sony who are doing all they can to innovate the hardware - latest and greatest and tons of new features, it makes sense for them, they are diverse companies. They are doing nothing to change game play - its the same thing over and over just better graphics. Why because video games is a small piece of the puzzle for MS and SONY with Nintendo it is all the have.

You nailed it right on the head there. Nintendo is a risk taker, and always has been, where MS and Sony just use the tried and true recipe.

Then again, if this doesn't work out for Nintendo, they could be in big trouble, relying totally on the DS to support them.

[(Bean)]

You nailed it right on the head there. Nintendo is a risk taker, and always has been, where MS and Sony just use the tried and true recipe.

Then again, if this doesn't work out for Nintendo, they could be in big trouble, relying totally on the DS to support them.

Ya Nintendo has a good history of innovation - most turned out to be good and were copied by other companies some well...

I think of Mario 64 - really the start of the 3D format on console that we see today in almost every platform game. When I heard about it I thought they were destroying Mario but turned out to be great.

Rumble Pak - something that is included in almost every controller.

Analog stick - since it was on the 64 controller pretty much every controller has had it.

thats just a few of many - I can't wait to see what they do with the Revolution - I hope it will be a revolution in video games and Sony gets stung a little for the arrogance

[Canadianpsycho]

Aweome.

They can't do 1080p, its costing 900 US to make... So you're looking at MAYBE 700 US depending on the hit Sony want to take per console. So much for the 360 being too expensive for all those PS fanbois.

[CanadianCool]

$800 to $900 damn that's expensive, plus that would not include the games, which i speculating would also be quite pricey since blu-ray is so new and cost to manufacture hasn't had the time to go down.

[Tofu Drift Shinji]

how are they innovating with upgrading some parts on gamecube and call it their next gen :confused:

Have you seen the Revolution controller? Do you know how it works? It might be worth checking out before you just come out here and say the Revolution isn't doing anything to revolutionize the way games are played.

I haven't always been a fan of Nintendo; I loved the N64 and got a GameCube and hated it because of a general lack of support by big publishers on board with Nintendo, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what the Revolution can do (this is coming from a guy that has PSX and PS2 and is a bit of a Sony fanboy).

They will probably have the cheapest console out there, and if they have strong first party games at launch and more third party support this time around, I think it could save Nintendo's flailing marketshare in the home console business.

[monkmar]

Ya Nintendo has a good history of innovation - most turned out to be good and were copied by other companies some well...

I think of Mario 64 - really the start of the 3D format on console that we see today in almost every platform game. When I heard about it I thought they were destroying Mario but turned out to be great.

Rumble Pak - something that is included in almost every controller.

Analog stick - since it was on the 64 controller pretty much every controller has had it.

thats just a few of many - I can't wait to see what they do with the Revolution - I hope it will be a revolution in video games and Sony gets stung a little for the arrogance

agree with most of what you said... not to nitpick or anything, but i believe the saturn had the analog stick before circa n64 :)

Honestly, I don't really care about this whole, "oh lets see fail for being arrogant". I'll buy any system that harbours "quality" titles(in relative terms).

[ledorky]

No, nights came a little bit after Mario.
Still one of the best games ever :)

[nfnx]

i kinda get how the nintendo controller works, but can someone clarify it for me?


ill be getting ps3 when it comes out simply because ima fanboy and dnt really want to take the time to love xbx.
i hope ps3 will be as easy to use as xbox seems, esp with the live.

[sfu_lifer]

i kinda get how the nintendo controller works, but can someone clarify it for me?


ill be getting ps3 when it comes out simply because ima fanboy and dnt really want to take the time to love xbx.
i hope ps3 will be as easy to use as xbox seems, esp with the live.
Think of it this way, a remote control in 3d. It doesn't really know an exact location, more of an arbitrary location within that space. Most games will have a reticule so you know where you're pointing at. It can detect acceleration and tilt in 3D.

So pretty much any movement you can imagine will work. You can combine two remote controls as well (i.e. drum sticks/maraccas). I hear it's just so intuitive to use even non-gamers will take to it.

Best way really is to watch these videos:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2063821498385606325&q=nintendo+revolution
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7503797230984048423&q=nintendo+revolution

And contrary to most hardcore gamers who thumb their nose at this, the Rev will include a shell which makes it into a standard GC controller if you wish it to be. Nintendo's not forcing everyone to do it only with the remote control. There will be the old way of doing things for many games as they don't want to alienate the hardcore who can't adapt, but then again, if you want it the old way, why even buy a Rev. You may as well buy the 360/PS3 as they will have the better graphics.

[sfu_lifer]

Oh and that's not quite correct regarding Nights (partially).
US release dates:
N64 came out 9/29/1996
Nights came out 8/31/1996 along with the bundled Analog controller.

Japan release dates:
N64 came out 6/23/1996
Nights came out 7/5/1996

[(Bean)]

Honestly, I don't really care about this whole, "oh lets see fail for being arrogant". I'll buy any system that harbours "quality" titles(in relative terms).

I guess its not so much that I want them to fail just for being arrogant - its more what the arrogance causes. For example when it was brought to Sony's attention the problems with the PSP before it launched - the button closer to the screen, - they said they won't fix it and then compared it to art and said people will buy it anyway. Then there is the whole delays and saying it really doesn't matter what we do because the next gen starts when we launch or 360 isn't competition. Basically its not just the feeling of arrogance its how it affects the way that company delivers there system and the quality. When a company is too arrogant they think you will pay $700 for crap.

I also agree with you that it doesn't matter how much I dislike the attitude, if the system rocks and the games are top notch - its still the one to buy. What makes me most upset though is when Sony is right - they put out a product that is substandard and expensive but looks good and they admit it but say doesn't matter our audience of fanboys is big enough it will sell well and it does. If the PS3 is good buy it but don't decide now before the specs are even finalized and even the developers are progamming for what they think it will have. Reward the company that makes the best games and they can make more - don't just discount Revolution and 360 because they aren't Sony.

[Sonbuster]

not only could it be delayed, but speculation says the cost of 1 unit could be $900US (gamespot.com for more info)

[kud0s69]

As someone who has an Xbox (non 360) out of the 3 next generation consoles, the one that seems to interest me most is the Nintendo one. *shiver at the thought*

[john widow]

I don't think I would have much fun swinging a remote control around.
Is the PS3 going to be more powerful than the top of the line desktop computer right now?

[Bunkhouse]

I don't think I would have much fun swinging a remote control around.
Is the PS3 going to be more powerful than the top of the line desktop computer right now?
The remote is an optional tool available, just like the DS touch screen, most games don't use the touch screen but it's there if game developers want to use it. Nintendo did say that it would have a standard controller shell for it.

No console has ever been more powerfull then a top of the line PC(even medium range IMO), even though Sony & Microsoft will throw wild numbers out claming it is. The games will look better to a comparable spec'ed PC cause they will be optimized to one specific set of hardware rather then the huge variety in hardware that PC games have to be able to support.

[ledorky]

The remote is an optional tool available, just like the DS touch screen, most games don't use the touch screen but it's there if game developers want to use it. Nintendo did say that it would have a standard controller shell for it.

No console has ever been more powerfull then a top of the line PC(even medium range IMO), even though Sony & Microsoft will throw wild numbers out claming it is. The games will look better to a comparable spec'ed PC cause they will be optimized to one specific set of hardware rather then the huge variety in hardware that PC games have to be able to support.
I disagree with that. When the PS1 launched, no PC with a 3D accelerator card at the time (even with 3dfx on the roost) could even come close to touching it.
I believe Xbox also equaled top of the line PC stuff with a half breed celeron/P4 combo and nforce chipset with a GF3+ card. Let's see a current medium class PC do Project Gotham.

[zoro69]

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[kud0s69]

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huh?

[Kurtz7834]

I disagree with that. When the PS1 launched, no PC with a 3D accelerator card at the time (even with 3dfx on the roost) could even come close to touching it.
I believe Xbox also equaled top of the line PC stuff with a half breed celeron/P4 combo and nforce chipset with a GF3+ card. Let's see a current medium class PC do Project Gotham.

I don't quite agree with you. From my understanding gaming pcs have always been ahead of the consoles. I never had a PS1 back when it launched (1995?) but I was a PC gamer. When I look back now at the mid 90s PC games they generally look much better than the PS1 games. I'm trying to go back in time to think of the most graphically impressive PC games of 94-95. 7th Guest was one of them. System Shock as well. Quake and Warcraft 2 but they came out in 96.

As for the XBox1, you're close, I think it was the equivalent of a P3 700 Mhz, with Nvidia GF card and 64 MB RAM, and 8 gig HD. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Consoles always appear to work wonders for 3 reasons, one of which was already mentioned:

-Developers have one platform to code for with no hardware variables
-Consoles have a stripped down, streamlined OS that cuts out most of the fat to save memory and speed stuff up. PCs have ummm... Windows XP, which needs 128 MB of RAM to even run decently without any programs going. Windows XP is the most bloated OS ever and 'Vista' will unfortunately be much worse. Back in the DOS days you could get much more out of your hardware as the OS didn't get in the way and suck up all your resources.
-Until very recently, console games were always running at far lower resolutions than PC games to be shown on TVs, so it wasn't really a fair comparison

I question that some of the older consoles were ahead of mid range PCs. But the XBox 360 is the first console I'm aware of that I think pulls ahead of many PCs, so I think you may be right with this new gen. But PCs will quickly catch up and surpass the 360, but at a higher cost.

I have P4 2.8 Ghz, 512 RAM, 128 MB Geforce 5600 Ultra, and I'm pretty sure my Xbox 360 could smoke my PC. Probably my PC is low range nowadays though. :cheesygri In the past though it's always been the reverse.

[ledorky]

I don't quite agree with you. From my understanding gaming pcs have always been ahead of the consoles. I never had a PS1 back when it launched (1995?) but I was a PC gamer. When I look back now at the mid 90s PC games they generally look much better than the PS1 games. I'm trying to go back in time to think of the most graphically impressive PC games of 94-95. 7th Guest was one of them. System Shock as well. Quake and Warcraft 2 but they came out in 96.

You'd be quite wrong. The consoles have almost always leapfrogged the PC in terms of power. THe PC got right on it within a year and exceed it in terms of hardware specs once the necessary hardware acceleration was in place. The PS1 was especially amazing at the time of its release. It can push way more polys (and shaded/textured/gouraud shaded polys too) than anything at the time. I am mainly talking about 3D games and 3d hardware and it's not like the PS1 to carry 2d software like 7th Guest (Sony US had an anti-2D bias at the time). Ask anyone who's seen Toshinden at the PS1 launch and their jaws dropped. Nothing else on the PC games or hardware came close.
I remember reading a page from Next Gen magazine with a Bill Gates interview where he was lamenting about this gap and said the PC would exceed it asap thanks to hardware coming down the pipe. The GF card in the Xbox 1 is a Geforce 3 (closer to 4 actually). Quite nice and DOA3 and Halo sure got the fans. Sure it's pushing 3d at usually 480 rez but that's not the fault of the hardware :).
Yeah your specs on closer to the low-end nowadays but still powerful. It'd probably choke running COD2 at 1080i/720p res with 4x FSAA on ;). The 360 is probably the first console that DOESN'T leapfrog the PC in terms of specs. at launch.
Most PC gamers think the reverse for some reason but there ya go. Just research on the hardware available at the time and compare it to the console.

[jerryhussain]

You'd be quite wrong. The consoles have almost always leapfrogged the PC in terms of power. THe PC got right on it within a year and exceed it in terms of hardware specs once the necessary hardware acceleration was in place. The PS1 was especially amazing at the time of its release. It can push way more polys (and shaded/textured/gouraud shaded polys too) than anything at the time. I am mainly talking about 3D games and 3d hardware and it's not like the PS1 to carry 2d software like 7th Guest (Sony US had an anti-2D bias at the time). Ask anyone who's seen Toshinden at the PS1 launch and their jaws dropped. Nothing else on the PC games or hardware came close.
I remember reading a page from Next Gen magazine with a Bill Gates interview where he was lamenting about this gap and said the PC would exceed it asap thanks to hardware coming down the pipe. The GF card in the Xbox 1 is a Geforce 3 (closer to 4 actually). Quite nice and DOA3 and Halo sure got the fans. Sure it's pushing 3d at usually 480 rez but that's not the fault of the hardware :).
Yeah your specs on closer to the low-end nowadays but still powerful. It'd probably choke running COD2 at 1080i/720p res with 4x FSAA on ;). The 360 is probably the first console that DOESN'T leapfrog the PC in terms of specs. at launch.
Most PC gamers think the reverse for some reason but there ya go. Just research on the hardware available at the time and compare it to the console.
So you are taking Gates' comment on Xbox 1 to say the 360 doesnt leapfrong PC .. right ! :confused:

If I ignore all the marketing crap, Carmack said that the 360 and PS3 are similar to a high-end PC right now. Difference is that the 360 has been available for 3 months now and there is no sign of PS3's launch date yet. By the time PS3 is out, it is offering the same level of performance one could have got months earlier. :cheesygri

[JayPatel]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9zkswJePseM

Medal of Honor Airborne Teaser Trailer

[Ben31]

There may be a possibility that the PS3 may be unveiling more news of PS3 in March15th

A senior Koei Japan exec has let slip that more PlayStation 3 news will be unveiled at a Sony event on March 15th, reports Gamefront (via Japanese site Watch Impress).

This appears to back up ongoing reports that PlayStation global head of development Phil Harrison will reveal more information on plans for the console at his GDC keynote later in March.

Sony has gone completely media dark on PS3 since way back at E3 last May, despite a continuing defense of its (increasingly unlikely) Spring 2006 release date.

While the Koei exec’s comments aren’t exactly a confirmation, don’t forget that original PS2 debut was also at a Japanese event in March, followed by a wider demonstration at GDC. Will history repeat? We’ll know next week.

[obernewtyn]

I'm sitting out of the ps3 release. If it is going to be around $900...i'm going to wait until it drops to 160 like the current price of a slim ps2. Unless...they come out with a load of rpg games then I cant resist.

[sfu_lifer]

I'm sitting out of the ps3 release. If it is going to be around $900...i'm going to wait until it drops to 160 like the current price of a slim ps2. Unless...they come out with a load of rpg games then I cant resist.
Prepare to wait a veeerrryyy long time.
blu-ray won't be cheap for quite some time.

[nfnx]

we need more pics in this thread

[sfu_lifer]

we need more pics in this thread
Pics of what? In-game movies?
Nobody's seen an in-game shot from Sony yet that's running on an actual PS3 unit. They've been mysteriously quiet which is very much unlike them. That's Nintendo's company line.

[ElDon]

They're starting to take pre orders for ps3 at toys R us

why was I even at toys r us??? :D

[ShadowVlican]

I'm sitting out of the ps3 release. If it is going to be around $900...i'm going to wait until it drops to 160 like the current price of a slim ps2. Unless...they come out with a load of rpg games then I cant resist.
wow, you must be REAL patient.

[sleepyguy]

Honestly... sony is so full of ***** it's unbeleivable! delays, fake "gameplay" movies... arrogance!

Once the XBOX360 comes down to a reasonable level for me ($250-300) then i'll pick it up.

[purple_rabbit]

Well with the technology they are putting in this monster, it was expected to have delays. The technology is currently too expensive

[Bunkhouse]

Don't worry, it will be at a reasonable price. Just expect them to scale down on initial specs to get a good selling price. I'd be truely suprised if it actually had 2 HDMI ports as initially stated.

[Xon]

I'm sitting out of the ps3 release. If it is going to be around $900...i'm going to wait until it drops to 160 like the current price of a slim ps2. Unless...they come out with a load of rpg games then I cant resist.

By the time ps3 is $160 ps4 will be close to release.

[sfu_lifer]

Don't worry, it will be at a reasonable price. Just expect them to scale down on initial specs to get a good selling price. I'd be truely suprised if it actually had 2 HDMI ports as initially stated.
Why not? It comes "free" relative to the other components in there. That and the 2 extra ethernet ports are not what makes the PS3 expensive ;)

[jerryhussain]

First PS3 In-game screens?

Untold Legends : Dark Kingdom

http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/untold_legends_dark_kingdom_005.jpg

http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/untold_legends_dark_kingdom_006.jpg

http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/untold_legends_dark_kingdom_007.jpg

http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/untold_legends_dark_kingdom_008.jpg

Apparently they are asking every website to take these images down .. :lol:

[Kurtz7834]

I didn't think I'd be saying this a few months ago, but my current prediction is that Sony is unable to launch the PS3 (in N. America, at least) during the holiday season of 06.

So little has been confirmed - price, release date, included hardware, etc. There have been pretty well no confirmed in game screenshots on the PS3 yet. I really don't see how they'll be able to pull all of the above out of their behinds for a pre Christmas 06 launch. If this is true, shareholders will be mighty pissed, and rightly so.

Sony has really dropped the ball and let MS take the lead in this new generation. The brand new 360 games are really good - Burnout is beautiful and Ghost Recon is an excellent next gen game. Sony is promising the world but the quiet from them and lack of screenshots shows that the PS3 launch is currently in disarray, too much is unknown.

I made the choice a few months ago to get a 360 over a PS3 (even though I have all 3 current gen systems) and I'm glad I did.

Despite the hardware probs and shortages, MS pulled off the 360 launch pretty well, on schedule and about half the launch games were pretty good. I really don't think Sony is gonna be able to have a strong 06 launch and it will probably be pushed back into 07, conceding tonnes of market share to MS.

The other likely option is that the PS3 launches in Fall 06, but is very glitchy and with terrible games. I'd expect Sony to rush out crap rather than lose all the holiday hype and sales. Look at that 'Untold Legends' screenshot above... if this is real, really not impressive at all. Sony should stop blowing hot air and compete with MS, rather than simply criticizing them and boasting arrogantly about their non existent system.

As for a $160 PS3... if you wanna wait til at least 2010, go for it. I think you'll be tired of Xbox1/PS2/Gamecube long before that as game development is likely gonna die on all the above to varying degrees by 2007.

Just my guess.

[P__S__2]

^the detail on those pics look good..but I dont know if they are real in game pics...

[sfu_lifer]

I think those are in-game but touched up.
Problem is it is so bare which is probably why Sony wants it pulled. I think Kameo's environments look as good.

But Sony's annual end of year statements are coming up in the next 2 weeks and with PS3 being their most significant product for the next 5 years, you can bet they will have some announcements that are more truthful soon.

[mark_in_2k]

I think Kameo's environments look as good.
Kameo looks a whole lot better IMHO.

These screens are obviously VERY early builds of the game. Some of the objects don't have shadows, textures on the characters lack any detail. You can certainly see why Sony want to pull them down. :lol:

[jerryhussain]

Medal of Honor 3 : Airborne
(PS3 Version)

http://sylphys.ddo.jp/upld2nd/game2/src/1142084933248.jpg

Wow :cheesygri

[jedijome]

nice screenshot but at the same time not all that great. i'm pretty sure the pc and xbox360 versions will easily look just as good.

that's sony's problem right now, they promised so much but they're barely going to come out ahead of the xbox360 in terms of looks, if at all. i'd might pick up a 360 in a month if sony doesn't come out with anything concrete and soon. i'm getting tired of their smoke and mirrors and i'm running low on goodwill towards them.

[jerryhussain]

jed, it was a sarcastic "wow". ;)

[jedijome]

:lol: :o

i'm still disasspointed, i really wished they would come out with something good. oh well.

[sfu_lifer]

The PS3 will look nice eventually. It just won't be what Sony was hyping (at least for a long while).

[wpooh888]

Signs pointing towards Official confirmation of delay tomorrow . .

Gamespot Link 1 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145900.html)

Gamespot Link 2 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145919.html)

[ledorky]

I'm reading on digg/. and other places it IS official since the Japanese news services have been saying it.
Don't say we didn't warn you PS3 fanboys. Tomorrow will give us actual screenshots though of the 2nd gen decent looking titles coming out. The launch games won't look so nice. Can't wait.

[Kurtz7834]

I'm reading on digg/. and other places it IS official since the Japanese news services have been saying it.
Don't say we didn't warn you PS3 fanboys. Tomorrow will give us actual screenshots though of the 2nd gen decent looking titles coming out. The launch games won't look so nice. Can't wait.

What I am wondering and waiting to see is:
-Japanese launch in Nov. 06 and N. American launch in early 07?

or

-Japanese launch in early fall and N. American launch in Nov. 06?

[ledorky]

What I am wondering and waiting to see is:
-Japanese launch in Nov. 06 and N. American launch in early 07?

or

-Japanese launch in early fall and N. American launch in Nov. 06?
Hopefully they'll tell us tomorrow. I'm guessing they'll announce a simultaneous launch. They should have enough units to meet demand in both territories by then since manufacturing/assembly will start in June/July. And if they run into production issues, they'll announce another delay at E3 for the US launch. The Japanese launch is a lock though which is a good thing. At least they're coming clean now. They knew that Spring launch date was a lie since last year. Awful way to deceive gamers so that they won't purchase the 360. After all, what's a few months to wait? Turns out it's a full year of waiting. I hope it bites them in the ass. I want some competition this round to give Sony some humble pie.

[Kurtz7834]

Hopefully they'll tell us tomorrow. I'm guessing they'll announce a simultaneous launch. They should have enough units to meet demand in both territories by then since manufacturing/assembly will start in June/July. And if they run into production issues, they'll announce another delay at E3 for the US launch. The Japanese launch is a lock though which is a good thing. At least they're coming clean now. They knew that Spring launch date was a lie since last year. Awful way to deceive gamers so that they won't purchase the 360. After all, what's a few months to wait? Turns out it's a full year of waiting. I hope it bites them in the ass. I want some competition this round to give Sony some humble pie.

Agreed re Sony needs competition. It looks like they're gonna get it and lose market share, since all signs point to the PS3 launch games sucking, since development is not far along. The only way to avoid this as far as I can tell is to push the launch date well into 07.

I'm gonna enjoy my 360 in the meantime. :cheesygri

Sony is really good at criticizing MS while coming up with nothing substantial of its own to date. The 360 had a pretty solid launch lineup and it doesn't look like the PS3 launch lineup will match the quality of the 360 one. Unless, like I said, they push it way back into 07.

[Kurtz7834]

One real problem Sony is going to have is they will really have a hard time being competitive price wise with the Xbox 360, due to Blu Ray, cell processing and other costly included hardware.

Unless Sony is willing to take a massive loss on the hardware it seems very unlikely that the PS3 will retail at anywhere near the $499.99 that the 360 Premium sells for in Canada. I'm guessing $699.99 is a more realistic starting point, and Sony will still be losing a lot of $$ at that price. Given that I predict a weak launch lineup for the PS3 (see above for reasons), Sony is gonna have trouble convincing your average gamer to shell out the huge amount of money over and above the 360. If history repeats itself a memory card will not be included with the PS3, nor a harddrive, so add another $50 just to save games.

I don't think Blu Ray will be enough of a selling point to convince most gamers to shell out the extra money, most people are pretty happy with DVD.

I think once the 'PS3 Reality' is clear, the X360 is gonna look a lot more attractive to many people. I don't think the PS3 will be competitive pricewise or offer incentive to pay the extra money.

In time the PS3 will be a great system I think, once developers get the hang of programming for it and great games come out in volume. I'm predicting a pretty rocky, lukewarm launch though.

The Nintendo Revolution is a wildcard and I don't know enough about the launch date, games, price point to comment there.

[ledorky]

I agree with the reasons above.
However, for us graphics ***** types, I know I'm buying a PS3 at launch thanks to the Blu-Ray. I'm gonna use it as a subsidized Blu-Ray machine from the get-go until the awesome PS3 exclusives come out. By the time the PS3 launches, it'll be the 360's 2nd gen games which will likely look much better than the PS3's launch lineup (but we'll know for sure by E3, Kutaragi's speaking tomorrow and I don't trust a single word out of his mouth nor will I trust anything he presents). I anticipate Sony's stock dropping tomorrow so if you own some, sell asap ;)

[jerryhussain]

Untold Legends : Dark Kingdom
PS3

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/695/695890/untold-legends-dark-kingdom-20060314042104919.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/695/695890/untold-legends-dark-kingdom-20060314042108528.jpg



PS2 revisted :cheesygri


..

[joshmxpx]

Untold Legends : Dark Kingdom
PS3



PS2 revisted :cheesygri


..

Doesn't look too impressive to me, no GRAW, that's for sure.

[JayPatel]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148775

Watch this space. PS3 launch details for all 3 territories as well as major PSP upgrades via firmware to be announced.

[JayPatel]

Official PS1 emulator announced for the PSP - buy download games from the NET

-- The PSP userbase is 96% male and Sony views this as a problem. Ideally, the company would like more women to play PSP and Sony looks to widen the system's appeal to various demographics.

-- Starting this fall, the PSP will use RSS channel features. Video and voice-over-IP will release in October in "motion jpg" format. The PSP's own version of the EyeToy will launch a month earlier in September and the peripheral will feature EyeToy Play and video chat. The camera is sliver and it attaches to the USB port.

-- The PSP will also include a GPS receiver with an update rate of once every second with a 40-second fix time from a cold start. Minna no Golf (Hot Shots Golf) will be a GPS launch title.

-- Macromedia Flash will be included with a spring Network update.

[JayPatel]

March 14, 2006 - Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories.

Once released, Sony will unleash one million units per month with a total of six million units in 2006 alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years.

Check soon for more.

[JayPatel]

PS Biz Brief '06: High-Def PS2 and PSOne Games
Legacy titles to be displayed in high-definition.
by Chris Roper

March 14, 2006 - Sony today announced that not only is the PlayStation 3 to be 100% backwards compatible, but all legacy titles played on the system will be displayed at high-definition resolutions. The Xbox 360 currently does the same thing and the result on that end is much sharper image quality for older games.

[cmge]

March 14, 2006 - Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories.

Once released, Sony will unleash one million units per month with a total of six million units in 2006 alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years.

Check soon for more.
WOW.. 1 million per month... o_O ... i wonder how good QC will be for those puppies... i just hope the PS3 doesn end up as Kutaragi's Sproose Goose

[JayPatel]

Sony finally unveils Live competition.
by Chris Roper

March 14, 2006 - Sony today finally unveiled info on its PlayStation 3 online plans at its PlayStation Business Briefing currently happening in Japan.

Beginning at the system's launch, currently scheduled for sometime this November, the system will feature community tools including lobby matching and voice chat, commerce features that includes bootable software via the hard drive.

The service was created with the help of Sony Online Entertainment. Best of all, the "basic" service will be free of charge.

[Fantaz]

Here's a collection of IGN's articles:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

So much juicy news, I can not sleep anymore! :D

[obernewtyn]

wow...sony is going to launch ps3 world wide at the same time.

[sfu_lifer]

Wow, those screens look WORSE than the ones that were 'leaked'.
As for PS3, hmm, it "requires" an HD. I think that's good news.
Seems they tried to focus on the PSP a bit more which is a great thing. I love the fact they're trying to "connect" with the female gamers. Heh, good luck. Last I saw they weren't too keen on graphics and movies which are the strengths of the PSP. They're more into the intuitive stuff that doesn't require a joypad. Now if Sony can put out a Karaoke game or something, I think that'll resonate with them.
Let's see Sony come up with the goods come November. Methinks they'll run into production issues and screw over Europe.
The PS1 "emulator" is the big news for me. I'm just wetting myself in anticipation and hell yeah I'm updating the firmware just for this.
I hope Pepsi does the contest again :D
altho it doesn't really matter as I'll get one anyways. I love how it's required but hell, you have to buy one anyways. I just hope it won't be the pricing of a friggin' FFXI but likely it will since it's 60GB unless it's a plain jane SATA/IDE HD unlike MS's notebook HD.
I still love his stupidly outrageous remarks: PS3 will be 4d, it will be alive.
What BS. He really needs to stop with the drugs.

[Kurtz7834]

Just going to comment a bit on the PS3 news just released at the press conference.

As usual, details are vague and sketchy and rhetoric (PS3 will be 'Live' and in 4D :lol: ) is being spewed out.

Here's still what we don't know:
-A firm release date - the announced release of 'early November' could easily be pushed back, just like the 'March 06' release was
-Price - the quoted ballpark equivalent of roughly 470 USD does not seem realistic at all
-Included peripherals - a Harddrive is 'required' but will it be included? A memory card was also required for the PS2 and had to be purchased separately
-Launch games - given the lack of screenshots and info it seems like the PS3 launch games are in very early development - it seems unlikely many will be ready for launch or that the quality will be high. The fact that little to nothing has been seen of PS3 games to date makes it seem really unlikely they'll have tonnes of awesome games ready for a Nov. 06 launch.

Cut through the BS and hype and you'll see not a lot of hard news was really given re the PS3. Sony has not been upfront and honest about the PS3 to date and I'd imagine shareholders will be pissed off. Up until today they were still officially proclaiming a Spring 06 release date which everyone in the know realised was ridiculous.

[actyper]

I think this is great news, didn't really want to buy the ps3 in May, Nov would be perfect.

[ledorky]

The weird thing is, almost none of the PS3 announcements were really new outside of the HD being required.
Everything else we've heard before.
Ah well, E3 will be the real deal then.
It'll be PS3 vs Revolution this Winter. I really doubt Sony can hit those manufacturing numbers (we all remember the PS2) but hopefully I'm wrong.
Kutaragi is known for fudging after all.

I do know one thing they'll beat the 360 on: Backwards compat. Yeah those PS2 textures will look outright NASTY at HDTV res but at least the models will look nice :D
The lack of jaggies will certainly be very attractive.

Whoops looks like I'm wrong. Sony's stock is actually up 1.8% as I type this :)

[CHINAdeals]

I wonder if ps3 will be able to play GAMES off of the HD using HDloader? ..i've got ps2 right now using this system.wondering if i can totally REPLACE it with this?

any insight ppl?

[ledorky]

I wonder if ps3 will be able to play GAMES off of the HD using HDloader? ..i've got ps2 right now using this system.wondering if i can totally REPLACE it with this?

any insight ppl?
LOL. Yeah right. HDLoader = piracy (even if you can prove you own the discs, no way). You actually think Sony will support piracy? Hell naw.

[JayPatel]

Not PS3 related but whatever.....

Sony Computer Entertainment America Announces New PSP(TM) (PlayStation(R) Portable) Model for $199.99
Wednesday March 15, 3:00 am ET
The PSP System Celebrates Its One Year Anniversary, More Than 15 Million Units Shipped Worldwide

FOSTER CITY, Calif., March 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc. today announced that it will continue to expand its successful PSP(TM) (PlayStation® Portable) platform by making a new PSP hardware package available for a suggested retail price (SRP) of $199.99 USD ($229.99 CND). Consumers will be able to purchase the new PSP system at this price, complete with AC adaptor and battery, beginning March 22nd. The new PSP hardware package offers consumers the same access to game titles, music, movies, communication and wireless networking.

[ledorky]

It's so successful, they're lowering the price ;)
I want the white one :twisted:

[sleepyguy]

Stay on topic Jay or I'll ban your @ss ;) j/k


Not PS3 related but whatever.....

Sony Computer Entertainment America Announces New PSP(TM) (PlayStation(R) Portable) Model for $199.99
Wednesday March 15, 3:00 am ET
The PSP System Celebrates Its One Year Anniversary, More Than 15 Million Units Shipped Worldwide

FOSTER CITY, Calif., March 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc. today announced that it will continue to expand its successful PSP(TM) (PlayStation® Portable) platform by making a new PSP hardware package available for a suggested retail price (SRP) of $199.99 USD ($229.99 CND). Consumers will be able to purchase the new PSP system at this price, complete with AC adaptor and battery, beginning March 22nd. The new PSP hardware package offers consumers the same access to game titles, music, movies, communication and wireless networking.

[JayPatel]

Stay on topic Jay or I'll ban your @ss ;) j/k

:D :D :D

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[JayPatel]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060315/sce1_06.jpg
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[numb555]

Not really a delay for N.A. gamers, as that is usually the time the Playstation is released for North American market. Since the 360 is not blowing the market out of the water, it was a calculated risk to screw over the Japanese market to fine tune the system, and to give developers more time to polish up their games. Though I'm expecting the launch