Official Playstation 3 Thread

[Carpe Diem]

I'm tired of the rumble, Glad to see it gone, And it has freaked me out a few times when it's rumbled across the coffee table like it's possesed.

[numb555]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4606/92659620060509screen00114dq0nt.jpg

I dont' care if its XBOX, Wiii, or PS3 ... But if games can look this good in the early stages...I dont' care if the system cost $1000.

[poppa]

MGS4 15 minute trailer!

mms://delivery10.i-revo.jp/event/2006E3/MGS4/mgs4_e3_2006_eng.wmv

[jerryhussain]

I know Sony is trying to justify the large price tag by boasting about the Blu Ray capabilities, but I just don't see many people caring that much about Blu Ray. DVD is good enough for the vast majority of people and Blu Ray is gonna be a tough sell, given the added cost for little to no benefit for the average guy with an average TV.
You know what the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 is only 2x and the DVD is also only 8x. It'll be the king of el-cheapo Blu-Ray drives. ;)

[jerryhussain]

http://upitfree.com/v2/out.php/i1010_ps3new.jpg

Redemption for J Allard.

[mark_in_2k]

I'm wondering about what is going to be powering the PS3. Will it be similar to the 360 with an external powerbrick? I'm sure it has to be as that case, even as big as it is, probably won't be able to bit a big enough power supply.

[sonick]

I'm wondering about what is going to be powering the PS3. Will it be similar to the 360 with an external powerbrick? I'm sure it has to be as that case, even as big as it is, probably won't be able to bit a big enough power supply.
There's a three-prong socket on the back, the PS is inside the unit, you just need a cord (no external power supply).

[john widow]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4606/92659620060509screen00114dq0nt.jpg

I dont' care if its XBOX, Wiii, or PS3 ... But if games can look this good in the early stages...I dont' care if the system cost $1000.

How would you like if it there was a game that looked that good, but you couldn't actually walk past the invisible wall?

[Paranoidandroid]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4606/92659620060509screen00114dq0nt.jpg

I dont' care if its XBOX, Wiii, or PS3 ... But if games can look this good in the early stages...I dont' care if the system cost $1000.

i don't care what anyone says, Raiden looks badass!

[Draff]

I agree.

Just based on the MGS4 trailer alone, it blows everything out of the water.

[jerryhussain]

RESISTANCE:FALL OF MAN

http://usera.imagecave.com/jerryh/1066_0004.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/jerryh/1066_0005.jpg



Looks like HL2, doesnt play as good.


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[Draff]

Which is why it's still in development.

[Gordon]

RESISTANCE:FALL OF MAN

http://usera.imagecave.com/jerryh/1066_0004.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/jerryh/1066_0005.jpg



Looks like HL2, doesnt play as good.


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Dude. Those are AMAZING quality...

Man games these days need more Urban city scenes!

[Aero]

hmmm I wonder how much it will cost during christmas time :cheesygri

[Nacster]

Any news on when Futureshop or EB will be taking preorders? I'm very eager to place a deposit so that I can take home a system on November 17th.

I was at the EB located in the Woodbine Center Mall and the gentleman told me that Head Office probably won't announce anything about reservations for the Sony PS3 until probably after the E3 show :confused:

[jonkaho]

this system is going to rock!

[ShadowVlican]

i don't think they look great, nothing spectacular, everything is freakin tinted green/brown... like monochrome :|

i guess i can take screenshots from other games like HL2, then apply some colour filter to it... then ppl will say it looks KICKARSE!!

FFXIII on the other hand, THAT looks good..... can't wait for that game :twisted:

[ledorky]

i don't think they look great, nothing spectacular, everything is freakin tinted green/brown... like monochrome :|

i guess i can take screenshots from other games like HL2, then apply some colour filter to it... then ppl will say it looks KICKARSE!!

FFXIII on the other hand, THAT looks good..... can't wait for that game :twisted:
I have to agree with you there. Even MGS4 doesn't scream realistic to me due to the chromacity of the pictures. Just way too monochrome ... too green. Still looks fantastic but not realistic. FFXIII as well. You can see the extreme drop in details when the in-game graphics were shown. Even Halo 3 didn't look all that good. Sigh. I guess it'll be E3 2007 when I'll be really impressed ...

[sleepyguy]

i totally disagree... i think the system is gonna be no-hum at best. although a few titles will indeed rock.

this system is going to rock!

[atb1o1]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before..but.. anyone know what the harddrive for the ps3 is used for?

can you use it as a networked harddrive and transfer files such as a divx/mpeg movie and have the ps3 play it?

That would help in deciding on a 20 gig or a 60 gig version.

[Tanith]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before..but.. anyone know what the harddrive for the ps3 is used for?

can you use it as a networked harddrive and transfer files such as a divx/mpeg movie and have the ps3 play it?

That would help in deciding on a 20 gig or a 60 gig version.
i dont know, but i can tell you that if you choose the 20 gig version you wont be able to have wireless controllers/hdmi output

[Kurtz7834]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before..but.. anyone know what the harddrive for the ps3 is used for?

can you use it as a networked harddrive and transfer files such as a divx/mpeg movie and have the ps3 play it?

That would help in deciding on a 20 gig or a 60 gig version.

Given how into digital rights management and copy protection Sony is, I'd say the odds of the PS3 being able to do this out of the box are.... 0.00000001% :cheesygri

The harddrive will probably have the same use as the 360 harddrive.

-Cache game data for faster loading
-store save files
-mp3 ripping (hopefully)
-download demos and trailers like on 360 Live

Anyone hoping to do more than this is dreaming. Maybe in 2008 or later with a mod chip.

BTW, either way, get the 60 gig version. I have already filled up my 360 harddrive (20 Gig) downloading all legal game demos and trailers. 20 Gigs doesn't go that far nowadays, each game demo is roughly 600 MB, and only 12 Gigs or so are available to the user for downloading, if I recall correctly.

[ieatkittens]

Keep in mind a lot of the screens we're seeing are touched up and/or just rendered....what will actually be done with the system we won't see until a few weeks before launch, most likely...

Just keep in mind how good all the 360 stuff looked until like a month before launch...and then all of a sudden, oh yeah, we need to start showing live product!

[CodecX81]

20gb PS3 does not have:
integrated card reader (SD, CF, etc)
802.11b/g
HDMI output

However, Sony has stated that therein lies the possibility that tech savvy players would be able to support external USB solutions to make up for it.

So we could use our USB sticks, hard drives, wifi adapters.. or...

just buy a 60gb PS3.

[jerryhussain]

20gb PS3 does not have:
integrated card reader (SD, CF, etc)
802.11b/g
HDMI output

However, Sony has stated that therein lies the possibility that tech savvy players would be able to support external USB solutions to make up for it.

So we could use our USB sticks, hard drives, wifi adapters.. or...

just buy a 60gb PS3.
External USB-HDMI output, here I come! (Just kidding)

[ledorky]

Whatever happened to "Linux inside" slogan of Sony?

If it does have Linux built in, we can install whatever the hell we want in there.

[atb1o1]

20gb PS3 does not have:
integrated card reader (SD, CF, etc)
802.11b/g
HDMI output

However, Sony has stated that therein lies the possibility that tech savvy players would be able to support external USB solutions to make up for it.

So we could use our USB sticks, hard drives, wifi adapters.. or...

just buy a 60gb PS3.

oh.. i didn't know the 20 gig version does not have wifi and HDMI output.. good to know..you are right should just get the 60 gig ver. Thanks.

[stunaz]

MGS4 15 minute trailer!

mms://delivery10.i-revo.jp/event/2006E3/MGS4/mgs4_e3_2006_eng.wmv
WOOOOOOOOOW
the raiden clip at the end is INSANE!
i hope we get to play ninja raiden and not old snake

anyone have a high quality version of that vid?

[Sheky]

Awesome MGS4 trailer. I'm sold on the PS3.

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

Awesome MGS4 trailer. I'm sold on the PS3.

:cheesygri
just from a single trailer? and you want the ps3. thats some cool shiet, I need to get a job now so I can get a ps3.

[Sih]

:cheesygri
just from a single trailer? and you want the ps3. thats some cool shiet, I need to get a job now so I can get a ps3.

Exactly what Ken suggested we all do... :| . Wait, I think it was get a 2nd or 3rd job... >:(

[ledorky]

Just saw the Tekken pics in hi-res. Wow what a scam job Namco did last year with those FMV clips/models. The actual game looks nothing like it.

[Sheky]

:cheesygri
just from a single trailer? and you want the ps3. thats some cool shiet, I need to get a job now so I can get a ps3.

Damn straight. Have you seen the full 15 minute trailer yet? I can't believe that's real time!

I really don't find it to be that expensive. It has a 7800GT or something similar to it. That's worth $400 right there. For 3 to 350 more you get a Cell processor, Blu-ray, Wi-Fi and HD? Not too shabby. LOL just buy and flip at Ebay at launch and you'll probably make the money for half the bill. :cheesygri

[sleepyguy]

http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/05/12/1738239.shtml

lol... what a moron!

I do believe the PS3 will sell but these comments SCEA is making are pretty damn stoopid.

MGS4 trailer looks pretty cool I must admit...

[sfu_lifer]

I'm betting it will sell out (I'll have one pre-ordered) but the question is how many units will it sell past holiday season?
Not very many families are prepared to pay that much $$$ for a gaming machine and the penetration for HD still isn't that great so Blu-Ray won't have much of an appeal for them.

[Sgt_Strider]

I'm betting it will sell out (I'll have one pre-ordered) but the question is how many units will it sell past holiday season?
Not very many families are prepared to pay that much $$$ for a gaming machine and the penetration for HD still isn't that great so Blu-Ray won't have much of an appeal for them.

Where and how much were they asking for the deposit. I intend to search around this weekend.

[Aero]

I'm betting it will sell out (I'll have one pre-ordered) but the question is how many units will it sell past holiday season?
Not very many families are prepared to pay that much $$$ for a gaming machine and the penetration for HD still isn't that great so Blu-Ray won't have much of an appeal for them.


I'm guessing it will be sold out as well. We will see a $2,000 PS3 for sale at the buy and sell section by nov 18 lol. Where did you pre order? I wanna get my hands on one before christmas.

[sfu_lifer]

Where and how much were they asking for the deposit. I intend to search around this weekend.
I haven't pre-ordered yet (no one is taking pre-orders yet) hence the "I'll = I will". Soon, very soon. How many people are willing to pay $1000+ for these will be the million dollar question? I have a feeling this won't be like the Xbox 360 phenomenon since hopefully there will be more units and the pricetag is essentially higher.

[Sgt_Strider]

I haven't pre-ordered yet (no one is taking pre-orders yet) hence the "I'll = I will". Soon, very soon. How many people are willing to pay $1000+ for these will be the million dollar question? I have a feeling this won't be like the Xbox 360 phenomenon since hopefully there will be more units and the pricetag is essentially higher.

Oops my bad. I didn't read your post properly. It's just that I got excited when I thought you said you got your preorder already. Hopefully I'll be lucky enough to get a PS3 on November 17th!

[radeonboy]

I have been waiting for the PS3. I am still undecided, but I am going to have to wait it out until the PS3 drops in price and or gets a newer revision update. Right now the 360 seems like a better system but then again, I still have my XBox 1 and its doing great for me right now. I dont play hardcore so I am good for now.

[tonychau]

Xbox 360 console will upgrade the CPU early next year in 2007. The new CPU will be built using technology that can reduce heat and power consumption, as well as potentially increasing speed. It will also help Microsoft cut the console's cost.

Less than a year after launch, Xbox 360 is already going for version 2 with better cpu. I guess you are better off to wait until 2007. :D

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2154491/microsoft-upgrades-xbox-cpu
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/21/new-xbox-360-cpu-should-run-cooler/

I have been waiting for the PS3. I am still undecided, but I am going to have to wait it out until the PS3 drops in price and or gets a newer revision update. Right now the 360 seems like a better system but then again, I still have my XBox 1 and its doing great for me right now. I dont play hardcore so I am good for now.

[ledorky]

They can't upgrade the speed. That'd be suicide and will piss off customers and developers. I'm sure they'll just improve the die size and heat and keep the speed the same.

[radeonboy]

Xbox 360 console will upgrade the CPU early next year in 2007. The new CPU will be built using technology that can reduce heat and power consumption, as well as potentially increasing speed. It will also help Microsoft cut the console's cost.

Less than a year after launch, Xbox 360 is already going for version 2 with better cpu. I guess you are better off to wait until 2007. :D

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2154491/microsoft-upgrades-xbox-cpu
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/21/new-xbox-360-cpu-should-run-cooler/

Ya this has been confirmed. They are moving to a 65nm die process from 90nm. This is to reduce heat. It wont have any effect on speed; speed stays the same.

[ian1386]

I haven't pre-ordered yet (no one is taking pre-orders yet) hence the "I'll = I will". Soon, very soon.

Toys R Us is pre-ordering. $50 deposit.

[jerryhussain]

Xbox 360 console will upgrade the CPU early next year in 2007. The new CPU will be built using technology that can reduce heat and power consumption, as well as potentially increasing speed. It will also help Microsoft cut the console's cost.

Less than a year after launch, Xbox 360 is already going for version 2 with better cpu. I guess you are better off to wait until 2007. :D

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2154491/microsoft-upgrades-xbox-cpu
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/21/new-xbox-360-cpu-should-run-cooler/
Speed increase? NO
Price cut? YES!

[rdtx2002]

I have been waiting for the PS3. I am still undecided, but I am going to have to wait it out until the PS3 drops in price and or gets a newer revision update. Right now the 360 seems like a better system but then again, I still have my XBox 1 and its doing great for me right now. I dont play hardcore so I am good for now.

umm... think about this.. if the 360 seems like a better system.. why don't you have it by now?

i'm waiting on the Ps3.. has the games I want anyways... Gran Turismo HD?... sweet..

[ledorky]

umm... think about this.. if the 360 seems like a better system.. why don't you have it by now?

i'm waiting on the Ps3.. has the games I want anyways... Gran Turismo HD?... sweet..
No think about this ... maybe in his (and quite a few people's minds) the 360 WILL be the better system based on the games coming out THIS year. Perhaps he's waiting for that time when the games he wants are out and a pricedrop for the 360.
360+Wii = PS3 pricewise this Xmas.
I really wanted to like GT HD but it's just a 1080p port of the GT4 which wasn't that hot to begin with.

[rdtx2002]

I really wanted to like GT HD but it's just a 1080p port of the GT4 which wasn't that hot to begin with.

as if other iterations of sequel to games are not 'ports'

what is your point?

[rdtx2002]

No think about this ... maybe in his (and quite a few people's minds) the 360 WILL be the better system based on the games coming out THIS year. Perhaps he's waiting for that time when the games he wants are out and a pricedrop for the 360.

that is fine by him.. but i'm gettin ga PS3 for the BluRay and their lineup of games.

[sonick]

as if other iterations of sequel to games are not 'ports'Uh, they're not. Ports are when you develop the same game to work on a different system than it was originally designed for. :rolleyes:
f the 360 seems like a better system.. why don't you have it by now? no time to play in current life situation, no disposable income in current situation, waiting for price drop, waiting for the games he wants to come out first, wanting to get a HDTV/Home theater system in place first before he gets the Xbox 360, etc etc etc. The list goes on. :rolleyes:

[ledorky]

as if other iterations of sequel to games are not 'ports'

what is your point?
Assets ported over was what was said at the Sony conference. Iteration within gen, this is fine but when you're going from one gen to another (esp as a 1st party), expectations are that you put something new there, esp new engine, new effects, new models, etc and the list goes on.
A port to a new generation instantly says you're:
1. Incompetent
2. There for the quick 1st gen game money (you're a sell-out)
In this case it's #2. Most every write-up of GT HD I've read was of disappointment.
Enjoy the game, I won't touch it when I get my PS3 and will wait for GT2 HD instead.

[Aero]

What's with up with people saying this system sucks coz of ____, this system is too expensive, this system doesnt have hddvd, etc... Most people already know where it excels and where it fails. You can't have it all because there's no perfect system. If there was then you don't need 3 different ones competing. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Its bad enough there are fanboys but there are haters as well. :|

[numb555]

What's with up with people saying this system sucks coz of ____, this system is too expensive, this system doesnt have hddvd, etc... Most people already know where it excels and where it fails. You can't have it all because there's no perfect system. If there was then you don't need 3 different ones competing. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Its bad enough there are fanboys but there are haters as well. :|


pple gotta justify their purchase, its been happenning since the nes/master system days. Just get all 3 ftw!!!

[Ben31]

What's with up with people saying this system sucks coz of ____, this system is too expensive, this system doesnt have hddvd, etc... Most people already know where it excels and where it fails. You can't have it all because there's no perfect system. If there was then you don't need 3 different ones competing. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Its bad enough there are fanboys but there are haters as well. :|

Remember it's like that with other products as well...don't take it personal.. :lol: ...how many people out there purchased an Ipod and for those that haven't hate the Ipod... :lol:...just purchase what you want and be happy with it....or as another user mentioned buy all 3...

[_pOtEnZa_]

i think its pretty cheap since u have a console and a blu ray dvd player, im all over 3 tho, the 360 alredy rocks for me so cant wait for the other 2 !

[BigBadBoo]

Whats so great about Blu-ray or HD-DVD? I think its all just marketing BS.

[Sgt_Strider]

Whats so great about Blu-ray or HD-DVD? I think its all just marketing BS.

Believe it or not, it's the real deal.

[Moot]

Whats so great about Blu-ray or HD-DVD? I think its all just marketing BS.

You obviously don't know what Blu-ray or HD-DVD is, so go do some research before posting dumb comments like that. :rolleyes:

[BigBadBoo]

Haha, a quick search shows that it allow for more data and is much faster. Im still not sure whats so great about it other than for PC-related things (backing up). Looks like it is marketing BS unless one of you tech-savvy people (lol) can show me the light. :)

[milhaus]

Haha, a quick search shows that it allow for more data and is much faster. Im still not sure whats so great about it other than for PC-related things (backing up). Looks like it is marketing BS unless one of you tech-savvy people (lol) can show me the light. :)
Apparently, can't do research either. Brilliant.

[Neovingian]

You know what the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 is only 2x and the DVD is also only 8x. It'll be the king of el-cheapo Blu-Ray drives. ;)..I gotta agree with this one. I'm not impressed w/ Sony & the PSwii. They made us wait that long for this? They seem to be rushing 2 me. Then they switched up thier system specs at the last minute & scrapped the dual HDMI's output & introduced a bluetooth controller w/ motion sensor. Who the hell needs that. I can't think of any PS2 games that would benfit from that.

Did anyone notice that during the E3 footage, the presenters could't get the wireless controllers to work & they were using iwred controllers for most of the game previews.

They even bit Ninteno's motion sensing controller idea, but couldn't even do it right. Pswii's controller is still a 2 handed controller.

Also given Sony's record of making horrible software for thier devices I wouldn't expect much from thier online service.

MS has a full 1 to 2 yrs headstart on Sony interms of thier live service. Aside from MGS4, I haven't seen anything that impressive. No Killzone

Does anyone know if it has been announced if the Pswii launch games will be on Blu-Ray dics? Its a safe to bet all launch titles will be on DVD.

[Carpe Diem]

This game looks awesome MotoStorm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHU-98y5TEE&search=ps3)

[ledorky]

..I gotta agree with this one. I'm not impressed w/ Sony & the PSwii. They made us wait that long for this? They seem to be rushing 2 me. Then they switched up thier system specs at the last minute & scrapped the dual HDMI's output & introduced a bluetooth controller w/ motion sensor. Who the hell needs that. I can't think of any PS2 games that would benfit from that.

Did anyone notice that during the E3 footage, the presenters could't get the wireless controllers to work & they were using iwred controllers for most of the game previews.

They even bit Ninteno's motion sensing controller idea, but couldn't even do it right. Pswii's controller is still a 2 handed controller.

Also given Sony's record of making horrible software for thier devices I wouldn't expect much from thier online service.

MS has a full 1 to 2 yrs headstart on Sony interms of thier live service. Aside from MGS4, I haven't seen anything that impressive. No Killzone

Does anyone know if it has been announced if the Pswii launch games will be on Blu-Ray dics? Its a safe to bet all launch titles will be on DVD.

I'm almost sure it will be on Blu-Ray discs. But we all know what happened with the early PS2 games being on CD's instead of DVDs :D

[Carpe Diem]

Whats so great about Blu-ray or HD-DVD? I think its all just marketing BS.

CD jump to DVD was 700mb to 4.7gig

DVD to blue ray is 4.7 to 50GB on a dual-layer disc...That ain't Marketing BS.

[BigBadBoo]

Is there any reason to switch to Blu-ray now or any time soon? It just seems to me that we are being forced to something that we don't really need.

DVD to blue ray is 4.7 to 50GB on a dual-layer disc...That ain't Marketing BS.

And why do we need 50 gigs for movies? All I am saying is that it seems transition from CD to DVD seems more worthwhile than DVD to Blu-ray. But then again, everyone has to have the latest and greatest out there, right.

[BigBadBoo]

MS has a full 1 to 2 yrs headstart on Sony interms of thier live service. Aside from MGS4, I haven't seen anything that impressive. No Killzone

Does anyone know if it has been announced if the Pswii launch games will be on Blu-Ray dics? Its a safe to bet all launch titles will be on DVD.

Unless the game requires more than 9 gigs, and most games do not, then there is no reason to use Blu-ray. Ofcourse if you want to make an all-region disc (meaning it inclues all language support) then ya you would need more space. Blu-ray transmits at 40mbps which is probably the best thing about it. If those high res game textures average around 5-10 mb then this is great as the textures are what usually cause long load times.

As for Sony and its Live service, well they want to have it free. While thats cool, I cant imagine them doing it well. Just look at the xbox live servers over the last week where it was free. People waited hours to download trailers. Sony has to invest a lot of money to get the same quality as Xbox Live.

[Sgt_Strider]

Is there any reason to switch to Blu-ray now or any time soon? It just seems to me that we are being forced to something that we don't really need.



And why do we need 50 gigs for movies? All I am saying is that it seems transition from CD to DVD seems more worthwhile than DVD to Blu-ray. But then again, everyone has to have the latest and greatest out there, right.

It's called High definition DVD. Blu-ray will have enough space to allow even higher quality movies than what HD-DVD will offer. All PS3 games will be rendered at 1920x1080p versus 1280x720 for the Xbox 360. Seriously, you need to do your research. Your posts clearly show you lack knowledge on this topic.

[Sgt_Strider]

Unless the game requires more than 9 gigs, and most games do not, then there is no reason to use Blu-ray. Ofcourse if you want to make an all-region disc (meaning it inclues all language support) then ya you would need more space. Blu-ray transmits at 40mbps which is probably the best thing about it. If those high res game textures average around 5-10 mb then this is great as the textures are what usually cause long load times.

As for Sony and its Live service, well they want to have it free. While thats cool, I cant imagine them doing it well. Just look at the xbox live servers over the last week where it was free. People waited hours to download trailers. Sony has to invest a lot of money to get the same quality as Xbox Live.

It's also Microsoft could have intentionally did that to make it seem like it's worth it to upgrade to the gold service. These are all questions that needs to be answered. You can't just take things as is. I agree we should be skeptical in whether Sony will be able to pull it off. Though, we can't say Sony won't be able to execute it either. Sony isn't a small player at all and they have billions of dollars in their bank accounts to support such moves.

[BigBadBoo]

It's called High definition DVD. Blu-ray will have enough space to allow even higher quality movies than what HD-DVD will offer. All PS3 games will be rendered at 1920x1080p versus 1280x720 for the Xbox 360. Seriously, you need to do your research. Your posts clearly show you lack knowledge on this topic.

The reasons you give would not apply so well to the average consumer and therein lies my gripe. To take advantage of HD stuff, you would need HD monitor. Anyway, I would really love to see the PS3 run at 30 fps on 1920x1080p with full blown physics on a multiplayer game. That would definetly kick ass, if it could be done in the near future (this or next year).

[BigBadBoo]

It's also Microsoft could have intentionally did that to make it seem like it's worth it to upgrade to the gold service. These are all questions that needs to be answered. You can't just take things as is. I agree we should be skeptical in whether Sony will be able to pull it off. Though, we can't say Sony won't be able to execute it either. Sony isn't a small player at all and they have billions of dollars in their bank accounts to support such moves.

Ofcourse MS intentionaly had the free week as a way to entice people to get more Live users, what else could have motived them? I do realize Sony isn't a small player and while I do not want to get in argument as to who is better, it still bugs me that Sony is all about hype and seems to fail to deliver as promised. What happened to Killzone 2? I havent heard a peek out of that. Sony says they will have free 'Live' service, but I am very skeptical about this. Would they have a kick ass interface like Live, or what about the content? Their umd format was a flop, and their PSP is suffering because of bad design (DS smokes it in terms of usablity). So far, Sony hasn't impressed me at all, and thats why I am very skeptical about Blu-ray. I just dont see any reason to buy a 2x Blu-ray player so early.

[SuSHi]

what ps3 game that will be available at launch will be worth $659 (since the 20gig is about as useless as the 360 core system)?

i can't really justify any game just yet

and are all 1st gen ps3 games going to be on blu-ray discs? because i remember when ps2 came out they said everything was going to be dvd but all the 1st gen was on cd's

[SuSHi]

Ofcourse MS intentionaly had the free week as a way to entice people to get more Live users, what else could have motived them? I do realize Sony isn't a small player and while I do not want to get in argument as to who is better, it still bugs me that Sony is all about hype and seems to fail to deliver as promised. What happened to Killzone 2? I havent heard a peek out of that. Sony says they will have free 'Live' service, but I am very skeptical about this. Would they have a kick ass interface like Live, or what about the content? Their umd format was a flop, and their PSP is suffering because of bad design (DS smokes it in terms of usablity). So far, Sony hasn't impressed me at all, and thats why I am very skeptical about Blu-ray. I just dont see any reason to buy a 2x Blu-ray player so early.

yeah where were sony's big guns for launch? right now wii is lining up to have one of the best launch lineups ever, zelda itself would make it more successful than alot of previous launches

MGS4 won't be here till next year, neither will FFXIII, killzone was basically invisible there which doesn't bode well and gt5 wasn't even playable

warhawk is cool but it's not a system seller, same with that action game with the really crazy animation system

i'm less excited about ps3 now than i was before E3 which is really disappointing

[Geese_Howard]

niggest maistake sony did was including the blueray... should have gone with HD-DVD, would have brought the cost down and cost of games down. Since sony created bluray... I guess they had to put it in.

[Sgt_Strider]

The reasons you give would not apply so well to the average consumer and therein lies my gripe. To take advantage of HD stuff, you would need HD monitor. Anyway, I would really love to see the PS3 run at 30 fps on 1920x1080p with full blown physics on a multiplayer game. That would definetly kick ass, if it could be done in the near future (this or next year).

If everybody made stuff only for the average consumer, then everything would be boring as hell. What you said applies to the Xbox 360 as well.

[Sgt_Strider]

Ofcourse MS intentionaly had the free week as a way to entice people to get more Live users, what else could have motived them? I do realize Sony isn't a small player and while I do not want to get in argument as to who is better, it still bugs me that Sony is all about hype and seems to fail to deliver as promised. What happened to Killzone 2? I havent heard a peek out of that. Sony says they will have free 'Live' service, but I am very skeptical about this. Would they have a kick ass interface like Live, or what about the content? Their umd format was a flop, and their PSP is suffering because of bad design (DS smokes it in terms of usablity). So far, Sony hasn't impressed me at all, and thats why I am very skeptical about Blu-ray. I just dont see any reason to buy a 2x Blu-ray player so early.

I hope you realize that Blu-ray transfer rate at 1x is a lot faster than DVD transfer rate at 1x. You have the right to be skeptical. What you have stated is your opinion and doesn't reflect fact.

[Sgt_Strider]

what ps3 game that will be available at launch will be worth $659 (since the 20gig is about as useless as the 360 core system)?

i can't really justify any game just yet

and are all 1st gen ps3 games going to be on blu-ray discs? because i remember when ps2 came out they said everything was going to be dvd but all the 1st gen was on cd's

Are you sure? I don't think all 1st gen games are on DVD. If so, prove it.

[jb22]

For all the people who are happy that the PS3 is using blue-ray, I would really be surprised if it's playback is just as good as a stand alone BR player. I only say htis as I can't see Sony releasing a console with BR playback that cost about half the price of a stand alone BR player. I also can't see other BR manufacturers being to thrilled about this. I'm not saying that the PS3 won't be a good BR player, I just wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't full featured or for some reasong didn't compare as well to a stand alone BR player.

Also, I'm not sure if the PS3 will be the best system for games, aleast innovative games or games from smaller publishers for a few simple reasons. First off it seems that the cell processor isn't the easiest to code for, this might turn off some developers although if the PS3 sells well this would help to justify putting up with this fact.

Also, and I think this may be more true, the fact that blue-ray discs cost more to produce compared to standard DVD (or even HD-DVD). So if games cost more to make, this means that game publishers will only really invest in things they expect to sell well, so more innovative games may not be able ot find a home on the PS3. It also seems that a lot of developers are really excited by the Wii and are viewing it as the system for real creativity or experimentation.

I must admit, I'm not that excited about the PS3. I don't really have that much interest in BR (or HD-DVD) at the moment. I find myself really interested in the Wii, I just see it as fun to play. I think I might agree with Peter Moore (SP?), maybe as an average gamer getting a 360 and a Wii might be a good solution.

Any way, I won't be grabbing a next gen system until atleast early 2008 so I'm forced to play the waiting game, which in the end may not be such a bad thing.

Also, am I the only person who can't wait for the PS3 first re-design? Who would have thought MS could design a nicer looking sytem then Sony?

[Ojam]

Also, am I the only person who can't wait for the PS3 first re-design? Who would have thought MS could design a nicer looking sytem then Sony?

MS didn't do the design of the 360, they contracted it out to a japanese company to try and create further apeal for the Japanese market.

[bmaz]

...Also, am I the only person who can't wait for the PS3 first re-design? Who would have thought MS could design a nicer looking sytem then Sony?
Uhm, thats your opinion but I think the PS3 looks sleeker, it looks much more suited for an AV Rack.
With that said looks doesn't even account for 10% of the appeal of a gaming/entertainment system.
The original Xbox is just a box, but its selling right now based on its 'after-market' functionality upgrades.

And lets not speculate on the cost of the BD just yet, if BD becomes the standard that won't be an issue.

[jb22]

MS didn't do the design of the 360, they contracted it out to a japanese company to try and create further apeal for the Japanese market.

Yes, I'm aware that MS hired people to deisgn the 360 but that really is besides the point. I personally find the PS3 to really not be a very attractive system. I'm not sure if the PS3's design was all done in house, if it was then maybe Sony should have looked elsewhere for their product design. And lets not start with the PS3's "new" controller - I mean I'm sure this has been talked about but a wireless PS2, nay, a wireless PS1 controller. Way to go Sony. I will give Sony credit on their cross bar GUI for the PS3, although it isn't that new. I find the crossbar system very nice on my PSP, and it seems to work for the PS3.

And lets not speculate on the cost of the BD just yet, if BD becomes the standard that won't be an issue.

Umm, it is a well known fact that blue-ray discs cost more to produce then standard DVDs or HD-DVDs. BR requires new machinary to press the discs, unlike HD-DVD which can make use of current manufacturing equipment. As a result, PS3 games will cost more to make then 360 games, atleast for the first little while. So, game publishers will have to make sure the games they release will make enough money to turn a profit. Innovative games or games that try something that is untested are a gamble, so publishers will most likely be less inclined to produce them for the PS3.

I will say the coolest thing about the PS3 seems to be the new Eye Toy camera. The ability to place real object and interact with the console seems kind of cool, although the demo was based on a card battle game so hopefully Sony or another developer will find other uses for it.

[ledorky]

Kojima's a perv (well, that's not really news since we saw all those jav girls in the lockers) based on an E3 interview:

HK: Also, I hear there's a GTA style game at the show where you try to steal panties (laughs). It's a very interesting idea and I'd like to check it out this afternoon. I understand they're giving away free panties...

[StoneColdWhat]

man ps3 is going to own the **** outta the 360.

[jerryhussain]

Uhm, thats your opinion but I think the PS3 looks sleeker, it looks much more suited for an AV Rack.
Say what? Much more suited for an AV rack?

http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots/e3ps34_small.jpg

No.

Looks sleeker? Well thats your opinion, a rather strange one at that. The general opinion is that the redesigned (fatter) PS3 is just ugly.

[Draff]

Also, I'm not sure if the PS3 will be the best system for games, aleast innovative games or games from smaller publishers for a few simple reasons.

Well it's all speculative. The PS2 was "harder" to code for and yet it has the best well-rounded gaming catalogue. This is something that the 360 will "lack"... I haven't been interested in it simply because of the lack of JPN games and E3 further solidified this (I'm not really interested in FPS').

As far as the BR player, it's a main selling point of the system. I doubt the early games will utilize that much space so it should be at least on par with stand-alone systems... it has all the components to be a good player, heck it can even output 12bit per component colour video. We shouldn't underestimate CELL either.

[jb22]

Say what? Much more suited for an AV rack?

http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots/e3ps34_small.jpg

No.

Looks sleeker? Well thats your opinion, a rather strange one at that. The general opinion is that the redesigned (fatter) PS3 is just ugly.

For some reason that shot of the PS3 reminds me of the old Philips CD-I:

http://www.laretrotienda.com/fotos/consolas/PhilipsCDi450_1.JPG

[dvdvideo]

Don't count on the PS3 have as much of a catalog advantage this time, the 360 has more developers on board than last gen, and since it's software is selling well you will see a lot projects go both 360 and ps3.

Sony has a real problem...if the PS3 sells a lot to early adopters as just a blue ray hd player, they won't sell enough software to make 3rd party companies happy. It wouldn't be a problem if they had enough units...but they won't.

[sfu_lifer]

Don't count on the PS3 have as much of a catalog advantage this time, the 360 has more developers on board than last gen, and since it's software is selling well you will see a lot projects go both 360 and ps3.
Yes that is true. With dev costs being so high, publishers are developing for 360/PS3 and the exclusives won't be so big this time (save for maybe some close-minded Japanese developers ;) ).

[barrist]

Say what? Much more suited for an AV rack?

http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots/e3ps34_small.jpg

No.

Looks sleeker? Well thats your opinion, a rather strange one at that. The general opinion is that the redesigned (fatter) PS3 is just ugly.

Wow i didnt even notice how fat and ugly it is; looks a george foreman grill.

[cmge]

Kojima's a perv (well, that's not really news since we saw all those jav girls in the lockers) based on an E3 interview:

HK: Also, I hear there's a GTA style game at the show where you try to steal panties (laughs). It's a very interesting idea and I'd like to check it out this afternoon. I understand they're giving away free panties...
hahah nice... and thats from kojima's interview at e3?... i think i need to find that interview... :)

[Majinvegeta]

Hmm, anyone have any idea when Pre-Orders will start in Canada?!?!

Im in Vancouver, and I called EB-Games yesterday, they said not yet...maybe in a couple of weeks. But then I also have heard that Toys-R-Us are already taking pre-orders??

Oh well, is there no way to tell when pre-orders will start?? (reason I ask this is cuz im new to this whole pre-order and camping idea, I have never really waited on a console for so long) because I dont wanna be the 100th person who goes and pre-orders, cuz in that case I wont get it until 2007 sometime lol.

[SuSHi]

Are you sure? I don't think all 1st gen games are on DVD. If so, prove it.

read my quote again, i said the same thing you said

[SuSHi]

man ps3 is going to own the **** outta the 360.

why exactly?

[jerryhussain]

Hmm, anyone have any idea when Pre-Orders will start in Canada?!?!

Im in Vancouver, and I called EB-Games yesterday, they said not yet...maybe in a couple of weeks. But then I also have heard that Toys-R-Us are already taking pre-orders??

Oh well, is there no way to tell when pre-orders will start?? (reason I ask this is cuz im new to this whole pre-order and camping idea, I have never really waited on a console for so long) because I dont wanna be the 100th person who goes and pre-orders, cuz in that case I wont get it until 2007 sometime lol.
Retailers have not yet been briefed by Sony, they are handling the situation not-so-well IMO. According to the retailers over in Europe, the folks over there will get only one version, the 60GB PS3. Then there is the open pricing in japan, retailers there are charging roughly $680US for the 60GB PS3.

[Moot]

I don't give a shat about the PS3 right now but I think I am going to pre-order one asap and then re-sell it, probably on Ebay, for a profit. Hopefully PS3 is in short supply. :twisted:

[radeonboy]

why exactly?

he is a pyshic. he knows this kinda stuff :cheesygri

[Draff]

Yes that is true. With dev costs being so high, publishers are developing for 360/PS3 and the exclusives won't be so big this time (save for maybe some close-minded Japanese developers ;) ).

Hmm so Western developers like Bioware and Silicon Knights aren't close minded? Developers on both sides of the ocean will develop for their primary market place first and the 360 certainly isn't making inroads in Asia.

[Sgt_Strider]

Don't count on the PS3 have as much of a catalog advantage this time, the 360 has more developers on board than last gen, and since it's software is selling well you will see a lot projects go both 360 and ps3.

Sony has a real problem...if the PS3 sells a lot to early adopters as just a blue ray hd player, they won't sell enough software to make 3rd party companies happy. It wouldn't be a problem if they had enough units...but they won't.

You don't know that for sure. I think you should stop speculating whether Sony will have a decent library for the console.

The gamecube had "solid" third party support and yet it didn't sell as many systems as Sony did. Konami and SquareEnix have not comitted their triple A titles like MGS4 and FF13 for the xbox 360. What does that tell you?

[ledorky]

Hmm so Western developers like Bioware and Silicon Knights aren't close minded? Developers on both sides of the ocean will develop for their primary market place first and the 360 certainly isn't making inroads in Asia.
Difference is those two are practically 2nd party Xbox 360 developers who MS paid money for exclusivity. Konami and Square are full 3rd Party devs.
They won't develop for the 360 unless it penetrates Japan enough. We may see FFXIII/MGS4 on the PC. After all, those two big franchises mainly sell in Japan.

[Majinvegeta]

hahaha

you think Xbox360 can take on the Sony Playstation? man, sure some fans down here in North America love it, but reality is, the Sony Playstation has the backing of Japanese game devs!

Now, I resepect the fact that some gamers think Xbox360 is awesome and has awesome games (yea right, half of em commin to pc hahahaha). But really now, you think you have a list that compares to games like MGS4? Final Fantasy!??! Devil May Cry?? God of War! theres just soo many amazing titles the Sony Playstation has in its possession basically, even tho their 3rd party, they wouldnt give in to a Western Company. And thats how it is, trust me.

Although there are rare occassions (plus considering MS is so rich they can go spend billions and buy out ppl) where some Jap game devs might give in to make some games for the Xbox.

But what really attracts Game Devs is the amount of systems sold, because it increases the chances of their games selling, what also matters is what age group the console is attracting, thats why you see more childish games on Nintendo consoles, and more adult like on Xbox / Playstation.

Its a fact. I guess I should be expecting some harassment soon right?

[Draff]

Difference is those two are practically 2nd party Xbox 360 developers who MS paid money for exclusivity. Konami and Square are full 3rd Party devs.
They won't develop for the 360 unless it penetrates Japan enough. We may see FFXIII/MGS4 on the PC. After all, those two big franchises mainly sell in Japan.

Well who's to say that Sony didn't pay SE and Konami anything? We don't know what happens in the backrooms. Nevertheless, I was just responding to the point that Eastern devs weren't bringing as many games to the 360 due to really low marketshare in Asia rather than being purely "narrow-minded".

Majinvegeta: While your assessment is right in that Sony has a lot of franchises, I think one of the high points of E3 this year was the quality of software coming out to the 360 (even though none of it really interests me)

[jerryhussain]

Speaking of developers and how much Sony/MS pay them, it reminds of the recent incident where Sony had a meeting with a Korean (probably) developing team. The outcome was that Sony was 'asking' too much of control/share rather than supporting them. In the end the devs were quite pissed off understandably, I dont know if they are on board now.

[jb22]

I think that peoplke are just assuming the PS3 will be a success like the PS2. But if you look at the reaction at E3, Nintendo seems to be the real "winner" while people are finally starting to see the 360 get off its feet. I think Sony is now in the position that it has to prove itself especially considering it's high cost.

I also think people are forgetting how things could quickly things could go bad for Sony if blue-ray doesn't gain large market share, not just with the PS3 but with stand alone players as well. Sony has a lot invested in BR along with the PS3, this is make or brake for Sony.

[Draff]

Yes but Nintendo has "won" before. I was ecstatic when I thought that the Gamecube had won E3 a few years back.

JerryHussain: You're grasping for straws here:

First off, Sony was/is funding the ENTIRE project. Heck, even if the project doesn't live up to its standards then they will reimburse the developers. What the developers didn't like was that Sony would own rights to the game.

Funding all the development costs for a startup company to make an unproven franchise sure does sound unfair, right? :-0 . If the developers are so bent on keeping their IP's, they should just give up free money.

These practices are NORMAL in the gaming industry. Long time producers don't even own the rights to their own games.

[jerryhussain]

Yes but Nintendo has "won" before. I was ecstatic when I thought that the Gamecube had won E3 a few years back.

JerryHussain: You're grasping for straws here:

First off, Sony was/is funding the ENTIRE project. Heck, even if the project doesn't live up to its standards then they will reimburse the developers. What the developers didn't like was that Sony would own rights to the game.

Funding all the development costs for a startup company to make an unproven franchise sure does sound unfair, right? :-0 . If the developers are so bent on keeping their IP's, they should just give up free money.

These practices are NORMAL in the gaming industry. Long time producers don't even own the rights to their own games.
I did make it clear that I didnt know much of the details, heck I dont even remember if they were Korean! I think it was sfu_lifer (probably) who posted about it. I just went off that, heck the link was in japanese so I didnt even try digging into it.

Grasping for straws? Right :rolleyes: Some people are just too sensitive these days, you need to stand back from the keyboard/mouse and take a deep breath. ;)

[Sgt_Strider]

I think that peoplke are just assuming the PS3 will be a success like the PS2. But if you look at the reaction at E3, Nintendo seems to be the real "winner" while people are finally starting to see the 360 get off its feet. I think Sony is now in the position that it has to prove itself especially considering it's high cost.

I also think people are forgetting how things could quickly things could go bad for Sony if blue-ray doesn't gain large market share, not just with the PS3 but with stand alone players as well. Sony has a lot invested in BR along with the PS3, this is make or brake for Sony.

The media did make it seem like Nintendo stole the show. So what though? If Nintendo fails to bring in substantial amount of tripla "A" titles then the Wii will fail like the gamecube. I've always admired Nintendo for their innovation, but they seriously needs to get developers to make more exclusive games for their platform. The gamecube is a good start after the failure of the N64.

[jb22]

The media did make it seem like Nintendo stole the show. So what though? If Nintendo fails to bring in substantial amount of tripla "A" titles then the Wii will fail like the gamecube. I've always admired Nintendo for their innovation, but they seriously needs to get developers to make more exclusive games for their platform. The gamecube is a good start after the failure of the N64.

The one thing that I noticed, and who knows, maybe the media is being a bit biased towards the big N, but everytime they showed someone playing the Wii - every single person looked like a 12 year old kid having a blast. I'm not sayinf when the showed people playing the PS3 looked pissed or anything but it seems evident the that motion remote works and it's fun. Notice how few to people seem to be bitching about the name Wii after E3? So maybe Nintendo did smart by deciding to not try and compete with next gen super gloss graphics but rather win over gamers by changing the dynamics when it comes to gameplay itself. I mean obviously Nintendo is on to something, I think this is very clear with Sony's response with motion sensor in the PS3 controller, although the addition of a motion sensor IMO is Sony's way to cover the fact that they can't include a rumble feature as a result of the Immersion lawsuit.

[Paranoidandroid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ

Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racer!

[ledorky]

The media did make it seem like Nintendo stole the show. So what though? If Nintendo fails to bring in substantial amount of tripla "A" titles then the Wii will fail like the gamecube. I've always admired Nintendo for their innovation, but they seriously needs to get developers to make more exclusive games for their platform. The gamecube is a good start after the failure of the N64.
Not just the media. Also the people who actually attended (I know a few that went). Wii was the hottest thing there. Nintendo's achilles heel has always been 3rd party support ever since the N64 days. Based on the reception at E3, this seems to be turning around in a big way since it's less of a risk developing on Wii due to the low costs developing for it ($1500 dev kits and lots of gamecube developer experience to draw upon plus it's a known quantity).
What Nintendo has is a stable of AAA franchises to draw upon and Nintendo's first party games are second to none. It's not the exclusives that failed Nintendo, it's the fact the 3rd party games sold so poorly they all left after the 2nd Gen cube games were out. Nintendo basically had to bribe EA to stay on board to help out.
Sony's pricetag is a HUGE barrier to entry. Esp for the average joe blows. It'll sell out this holiday season (same with the Wii). But 6 months later, that's the big test.

[Sgt_Strider]

Not just the media. Also the people who actually attended (I know a few that went). Wii was the hottest thing there. Nintendo's achilles heel has always been 3rd party support ever since the N64 days. Based on the reception at E3, this seems to be turning around in a big way since it's less of a risk developing on Wii due to the low costs developing for it ($1500 dev kits and lots of gamecube developer experience to draw upon plus it's a known quantity).
What Nintendo has is a stable of AAA franchises to draw upon and Nintendo's first party games are second to none. It's not the exclusives that failed Nintendo, it's the fact the 3rd party games sold so poorly they all left after the 2nd Gen cube games were out. Nintendo basically had to bribe EA to stay on board to help out.
Sony's pricetag is a HUGE barrier to entry. Esp for the average joe blows. It'll sell out this holiday season (same with the Wii). But 6 months later, that's the big test.

I heard the Wii development kit is $2000.

I disagree with you. I believe Nintendo lacked the exclusive titles from the third party publishers that failed them. Nintendo makes good games. It's true, but they can't do it alone. The install base was not big enough for third party publishers to justify spending the money to develop exclusive titles for the gamecube as evident by Capcom's decision to make RE 4 no longer exclusive to the gamecube. The gamecube was easier to develop for, yet it didn't catch on with the developers. Will Nintendo fix this for this generation? It's very hard to say because both the Wii and PS3 has not been launched. Maybe we should revisit this topic 1 year from.

[ledorky]

I heard the Wii development kit is $2000.

I disagree with you. I believe Nintendo lacked the exclusive titles from the third party publishers that failed them. Nintendo makes good games. It's true, but they can't do it alone. The install base was not big enough for third party publishers to justify spending the money to develop exclusive titles for the gamecube as evident by Capcom's decision to make RE 4 no longer exclusive to the gamecube. The gamecube was easier to develop for, yet it didn't catch on with the developers. Will Nintendo fix this for this generation? It's very hard to say because both the Wii and PS3 has not been launched. Maybe we should revisit this topic 1 year from.

No, it's $1500. I looked at the Wii website for developers just two days ago :). Meanwhile with the PS3, you're looking at >15x that.
Gamecube wasn't that easy to develop for early on. Only Xbox was easy to develop for. Yep, we'll see if all the good press from this E3 bears out from Nintendo this time next year. If we don't see massive 3rd Party support from the release date list next year's E3, then I don't think we'll ever see extensive 3rd party support for Nintendo ever again.
The developers wanted to make games for the 'Cube but most were axed by Publishers early on after the weak sales from early titles couldn't justify the expense necessary for the port team. It's really the publishers and joe public (and Nintendo shares some blame too early on for the lack of support for 3rd party teams plus higher than everyone else licensing fees) that are to blame for the low 3rd party support. The Wii is easy to develop for. That's a fact. PS3 is most definitely not easy to develop for and the need for talented artists in addition to talented coders makes it a HUGE barrier to entry for many development teams and publishers. Based on what I'm hearing, Nintendo has this rectified for the Wii. Lots of help for the dev teams everywhere (though still not as good as Microsoft's), low licensing fees, low barrier to entry.

[fl4wless]

so can we expect a HUGE pricedrop on 360s fairly soon?

[SuSHi]

so can we expect a HUGE pricedrop on 360s fairly soon?

they don't need to, they've got $100 buffer between getting a 360 or ps3 now

i think they'll bundle halo 3 with systems when that launches and consider that a price drop

[Kurtz7834]

they don't need to, they've got $100 buffer between getting a 360 or ps3 now

i think they'll bundle halo 3 with systems when that launches and consider that a price drop

Agreed. The buffer will arguably be even closer to $150 when compared to the 60 Gig PS3. This rules out the chance of a 360 price drop until well into 2007, as far as I can guess.

[direct-x]

Interesting article. Sony execs seem to be trying to defend the high price points on their consoles.

Playstation 3 boss Defends High Price (http://www.xboxcircle.com/news/playstation_3_boss_defends_high_price.html?rid=106 )


"I think when you look at what we put into the box – Cell, Blu-Ray, backwards compatibility, the ability to go online - I think it's a very compelling package for consumers," said Kaz Hirai, president and chief executive officer of Sony (Research) Computer Entertainment America. "The totality of what we bring to the table makes it a good value for consumers."

With its highly advanced processor (called the "Cell" chip) and a top-of-the-line Blu-Ray disc player, the PlayStation 3 was bound to be expensive. Standalone Blu-Ray players cost roughly $1,000. But when Sony announced plans Monday to offer two versions of the PS3 for $499 and $599, it set a record for major console launch prices. (Full story)

Gamers were quick to react on message boards.

"My wallet just cried," wrote one gamer, who calls himself 'DingoStoleMyBaby' on Shacknews.com.

Hirai defended the pricing, though, saying "What we're presenting to consumers is future-proofed. It's not going to fall by the wayside."

[Kurtz7834]

Nintendo has got to be happy. It looks like the Wii is going to cost 1/3 of the most expensive PS3 package.

Obviously the PS3 will sell like hotcakes into 2007, when supply is short. But I think it's pricing itself out of a lot of market share.

The bottom line is for many people, how good a value the PS3 seems to be depends on how much you care about being an early adopter of Blu Ray. For those that don't care about Blu Ray, which I think will be a majority of gamers, the PS3 is gonna seem ridiculously expensive.

Sure, the hardcore gamers and fanboys will line up to buy it but this is just not priced to be accessible to the average gamer.

I see Microsoft and Nintendo gaining market share in 2007. It's no accident MS is supporting Nintendo. Nintendo's gain is likely gonna come at the expense of Sony, not MS.

[poppa]

Heavy Rain (click for larger)

http://img121.imagevenue.com/loc228/th_22146_heavyrain200605101153216507av.jpg (http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc228&image=22146_heavyrain200605101153216507av.jpg)
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Trailer (http://www.quanticdream.com/downloads/news/HEAVYRAIN_THECASTING_AVI.zip)

[bmaz]

Interesting article. Sony execs seem to be trying to defend the high price points on their consoles.

Playstation 3 boss Defends High Price (http://www.xboxcircle.com/news/playstation_3_boss_defends_high_price.html?rid=106 )
Are we still still talking about price?
Considering the components that are installed it is a value.
And no I will not being buying it, because it is expensive for my budget.
Everyone knows Sony will be losing money on the hardware, if you were planning to get a Blu-ray player anyways then this will be an absolute steal for you.
If Sony is able to get better yields on 'the cell' processor and have blu-ray go into mass production, I think they will bring it on par with the Xbox 360 as soon as it is possible.

For $150 more, you get Wifi, 40 extra Gigs, card readers plus Blu-Ray also free online play, how is that not a bargain.
You guys should be asking why the Xbox is so expensive.

[jerryhussain]

so can we expect a HUGE pricedrop on 360s fairly soon?
From engadget: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/12/the-engadget-and-joystiq-interview-microsofts-peter-moore/
We had a price drop on Monday when Sony announced their price.
OUCH! Seriously I dont see the price drop on 360 any time soon.

[BigBadBoo]

MS will not announce a pricedrop until they really have to. If they are planning to put the wind out of PS3's sails, then they will wait until the launch week then announce it. Whats the point of annoucing a price drop now when people will just wait for it?

[BigBadBoo]

For $150 more, you get Wifi, 40 extra Gigs, card readers plus Blu-Ray also free online play, how is that not a bargain.
You guys should be asking why the Xbox is so expensive.

LOL how is that a bargain? And if it is, why is the base unit so expensive? I dont get this at all. Honestly, how much is manufacturing all those parts really? We are all just been brainwashed to think this stuff should be so expensive. Ah well, go buy the damn PS3 with its 2x blu-ray player that people are so hyped over.

I'll be playing DVD videos on my TV with a much fatter wallet. I think Sony is just ripping everyone off who buys a PS3.

[Sgt_Strider]

No, it's $1500. I looked at the Wii website for developers just two days ago :). Meanwhile with the PS3, you're looking at >15x that.
Gamecube wasn't that easy to develop for early on. Only Xbox was easy to develop for. Yep, we'll see if all the good press from this E3 bears out from Nintendo this time next year. If we don't see massive 3rd Party support from the release date list next year's E3, then I don't think we'll ever see extensive 3rd party support for Nintendo ever again.
The developers wanted to make games for the 'Cube but most were axed by Publishers early on after the weak sales from early titles couldn't justify the expense necessary for the port team. It's really the publishers and joe public (and Nintendo shares some blame too early on for the lack of support for 3rd party teams plus higher than everyone else licensing fees) that are to blame for the low 3rd party support. The Wii is easy to develop for. That's a fact. PS3 is most definitely not easy to develop for and the need for talented artists in addition to talented coders makes it a HUGE barrier to entry for many development teams and publishers. Based on what I'm hearing, Nintendo has this rectified for the Wii. Lots of help for the dev teams everywhere (though still not as good as Microsoft's), low licensing fees, low barrier to entry.

The gamecube was easy to develop compared to the PS2 and yet it still lost the war. The xbox was easy to develop for and yet it lost to the PS2. The ease of development for a console isn't important enough to be a factor in winning a war.

What we are discussing now obviously won't matter until 1 year from now. It's all speculation and won't prove anything until numbers are released. I have my doubts with the Wii, but if Nintendo succeed, then good for them.

[Bunkhouse]

The gamecube was easy to develop compared to the PS2 and yet it still lost the war. The xbox was easy to develop for and yet it lost to the PS2. The ease of development for a console isn't important enough to be a factor in winning a war.

What we are discussing now obviously won't matter until 1 year from now. It's all speculation and won't prove anything until numbers are released. I have my doubts with the Wii, but if Nintendo succeed, then good for them.
Graphics aren't that important either since the PS2's was below the Gamecube and xbox and still outsold them.

[ledorky]

The gamecube was easy to develop compared to the PS2 and yet it still lost the war. The xbox was easy to develop for and yet it lost to the PS2. The ease of development for a console isn't important enough to be a factor in winning a war.

What we are discussing now obviously won't matter until 1 year from now. It's all speculation and won't prove anything until numbers are released. I have my doubts with the Wii, but if Nintendo succeed, then good for them.
We can discuss why Sony won but a big factor (it'll take many many postings) but in the beginning is that they won because of all the good work they did with both consumers and developers with PS1, not because of their line-up back then. Not to mention a 1-year lead and a good enough software lineup when the Xbox 1 and Gamecube finally did come out.
That's what makes console gaming fun, speculation. I'm willing to bet PS3 will still come out on top after 5 years but they won't get to the top till year 3 when they finally start dropping their pricepoint in a big way. MS should still have the lead next E3. A 8-10 million headstart is hard to overcome even if you sell every console you manufacture. Actually we won't know what effect the Wii will have on the market till E3 2008. Then we'll really see who's on top. E3 2007 is too soon after launch.
Development costs will come into effect this generation. AAA titles are creeping into a Hollywood movie cost-levels. Not too many publishers can afford to make that kind of investment and to certainly parlay that into an exclusive, is gonna take quite a bit of money which I doubt Sony or MS are willing to pay. It's gonna be a fun Xmas that's for sure.

[bmaz]

LOL how is that a bargain? And if it is, why is the base unit so expensive? I dont get this at all. Honestly, how much is manufacturing all those parts really? We are all just been brainwashed to think this stuff should be so expensive. Ah well, go buy the damn PS3 with its 2x blu-ray player that people are so hyped over.

I'll be playing DVD videos on my TV with a much fatter wallet. I think Sony is just ripping everyone off who buys a PS3.
Did you notice I did agree that the PS3 is expensive, also I have no intentions to purchase it.
But when you compare the top end Xbox 360 with the top ends PS3, I think the PS3 is a bargain.

Equip the Xbox 360 with the optional Wireless Network Adapter cost you $130 @ BestBuy.
Plus the PS3 has 40 extra Gigs, card readers plus Blu-Ray also free online play.

So the question you should be asking is, why is the Xbox 360 so expensive?, considering that it just uses a PowerPC based triple core CPU, while the PS3's CPU has been in development for over 4 years.

[BigBadBoo]

I totally agree. The Xbox360 is too expensive as well. Again, we are led to think thats the price we have to pay. I wonder how much the top execs at MS and Sony make, and if reducing their salary to what they are worth would sell more of these units.

[trashmouth12]

Did you notice I did agree that the PS3 is expensive, also I have no intentions to purchase it.
But when you compare the top end Xbox 360 with the top ends PS3, I think the PS3 is a bargain.

Equip the Xbox 360 with the optional Wireless Network Adapter cost you $130 @ BestBuy.
Plus the PS3 has 40 extra Gigs, card readers plus Blu-Ray also free online play.

So the question you should be asking is, why is the Xbox 360 so expensive?, considering that it just uses a PowerPC based triple core CPU, while the PS3's CPU has been in development for over 4 years.
XboX live> Sony Online

[bmaz]

XboX live> Sony Online
Really? I didn't know the PS3 was released yet, much less Hub online system.

[Sgt_Strider]

We can discuss why Sony won but a big factor (it'll take many many postings) but in the beginning is that they won because of all the good work they did with both consumers and developers with PS1, not because of their line-up back then. Not to mention a 1-year lead and a good enough software lineup when the Xbox 1 and Gamecube finally did come out.

You fail to mention that the Dreamcast launched before the PS2 and yet it lost.

That's what makes console gaming fun, speculation. I'm willing to bet PS3 will still come out on top after 5 years but they won't get to the top till year 3 when they finally start dropping their pricepoint in a big way. MS should still have the lead next E3. A 8-10 million headstart is hard to overcome even if you sell every console you manufacture. Actually we won't know what effect the Wii will have on the market till E3 2008. Then we'll really see who's on top. E3 2007 is too soon after launch.
Development costs will come into effect this generation. AAA titles are creeping into a Hollywood movie cost-levels. Not too many publishers can afford to make that kind of investment and to certainly parlay that into an exclusive, is gonna take quite a bit of money which I doubt Sony or MS are willing to pay. It's gonna be a fun Xmas that's for sure.

Perhaps we should revisit this topic in due time.

[Kurtz7834]

I guess the only price unknown will now be the Wii. I really hope it launches at $200 Cdn or less. But with the other consoles priced so highly, there's less pressure for it to do and Nintendo can relax and make money off the hardware selling for $250. We'll see.

[rdtx2002]

XboX live> Sony Online

and you base this on what?.. you played the PS3 online already?

[rdtx2002]

I'll be playing DVD videos on my TV with a much fatter wallet. I think Sony is just ripping everyone off who buys a PS3.

just like how Sony ripped everyone off who bought a PS2?

do you use logic?

[veejam]

the ps3 will dominate in the japanese market even with the high retail price. also sony isn't ripping anyone off, its blu ray technology..its $1000+ for a blu ray player and yet its included in the ps3, its a bargain if you ask me. but don't get me wrong, im not gonna shell out that much money for it right away...

[BigBadBoo]

are you all brainwashed to believe that a blu-ray player must cost $1000?

[rdtx2002]

are you all brainwashed to believe that a blu-ray player must cost $1000?

BluRay players in Japan cost 1000USD+.. so i dunno what you are talking about

HDDVD players in JApan from Toshiba cost 950usd.

[Kurtz7834]

BluRay players in Japan cost 1000USD+.. so i dunno what you are talking about

HDDVD players in JApan from Toshiba cost 950usd.

I think his point was they only cost $1000 if you desperately need to be an early adopter. Market forces will dictate that the price of Blu Ray players will have to drop very quickly or the technology will be a failure like Laserdisc.

Remember in 99-2000 when DVD players were all over $500?

[bmaz]

are you all brainwashed to believe that a blu-ray player must cost $1000?
BluRay players in Japan cost 1000USD+.. so i dunno what you are talking about

HDDVD players in JApan from Toshiba cost 950usd.
Don't waste your time on that guy, he is either ignorant or just plain....

[rdtx2002]

I think his point was they only cost $1000 if you desperately need to be an early adopter. Market forces will dictate that the price of Blu Ray players will have to drop very quickly or the technology will be a failure like Laserdisc.

Remember in 99-2000 when DVD players were all over $500?

yes i do remember.. but that guy is clueless.

[ShadowVlican]

i could care less how much bluray costs... it's just a very good excuse to drive the price of this machine up... (dvd and ps2... but seriously :lol: )

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12699
could this be true? :|

[jerryhussain]

just like how Sony ripped everyone off who bought a PS2?

do you use logic?
Sony wasnt pushing their own format with the PS2, he did use logic btw. :lol:

[BigBadBoo]

Ok, listen, all I am saying is that I just dont see why everyone is so hyped over Blu-ray. This is one of the most important reasons that people are looking to get a PS3 yet I just cant justify the reason behind it. Also, why does a stand-alone player cost $1000 yet we can get it for $600 or whatever that Sony is willing to sell it for?

Apologies for being 'ignorant' here, but no one has really given a good reason for getting a Blu-ray nor a good reason for getting a PS3 for atleast a year other than to get a Blu-ray with it..

Most likely, I will end up gettin a Blu-ray but only 'when' I need to. I researched into it, and asked other forums. The only advantage for the PS3 is that the blu-ray holds much larger data capacity which is really only applicable to some games anyway.

[Draff]

A good reason to get the PS3 at launch is...
i. To play the launch games
ii. Watch movies in 1080p.

As far as price, yes, things are initially expensive when they are released. Marketing, research and development and building big expensive factories isn't cheap... Companies have to recoup this money initially somehow.

[Moot]

A good reason to get the PS3 at launch is...
i. To play the launch games
ii. Watch movies in 1080p.

I'm sold. NOT. What launch games are you talking about? Haven't heard anything worth playing. Oh, and enjoy paying $40 for a 1080p DVD. :rolleyes:

Seriously, the only people that are going to get the PS3 at launch are:

1) Sony Fanboys
2) People that want to resell it for profit(ME!)
3) People that are sucked into Sony's Blu-ray marketing

Right now, Blu-ray and HD-DVD ARE NOT WORTH IT. PERIOD! Wait until one format becomes the norm or else you risk ending up with some obsolete garbage. And why the hell would you want to pay $40 for 1 DVD which you probably already own anyways?

All Sony is doing is hyping all of this "new technology" and every idiot that can't think for themselves is falling for it. Oooooooh, a PS3 with Blu-ray that costs only $600 compared to a $1000 stand-alone player? OMG I'M IN! The stand-alone players aren't worth $1000 to begin with and the Blu-ray player in the PS3 is going to be a dumb-downed, cheap version anyways. Hell, I remember when Plasma's first came out and they were 10-15k. Now look how cheap they are.

Ugh, done rant.

[sfu_lifer]

I agree about the PS3's lack of quality launch games (to be absolutely fair, name ONE console that had a great selection of launch AAA titles).

But the haters, come on. This is a PS3 thread. Most of the folks defending the PS3 are pretty much set on buying one. Nothing you can do/say will deter that :D

[BigBadBoo]

A good reason to get the PS3 at launch is...
i. To play the launch games
ii. Watch movies in 1080p.

As far as price, yes, things are initially expensive when they are released. Marketing, research and development and building big expensive factories isn't cheap... Companies have to recoup this money initially somehow.

Ask yourself. Is that what you are led to believe or did you do the research? Every day I question myself as to whether what we are told is reallly the truth. I can understand CD technology being expensive because it was a whole new medium. I cant understand Blu-ray being so expensive as its just seems like an interation of the CD/DVD and not a whole leap. If they were to sell me a 3D hologram screen for $5000, then I can somehow justfiy the price. But a faster and bigger version of DVD? Nope.

[BigBadBoo]

I agree about the PS3's lack of quality launch games (to be absolutely fair, name ONE console that had a great selection of launch AAA titles).

But the haters, come on. This is a PS3 thread. Most of the folks defending the PS3 are pretty much set on buying one. Nothing you can do/say will deter that :D

Just questioning the reasoning behind the hype. If people are so bent on buying it, then thats fine, its their money. But its still interesting to ask why.

[Sgt_Strider]

I'm sold. NOT. What launch games are you talking about? Haven't heard anything worth playing. Oh, and enjoy paying $40 for a 1080p DVD. :rolleyes:

Seriously, the only people that are going to get the PS3 at launch are:

1) Sony Fanboys
2) People that want to resell it for profit(ME!)
3) People that are sucked into Sony's Blu-ray marketing

Right now, Blu-ray and HD-DVD ARE NOT WORTH IT. PERIOD! Wait until one format becomes the norm or else you risk ending up with some obsolete garbage. And why the hell would you want to pay $40 for 1 DVD which you probably already own anyways?

All Sony is doing is hyping all of this "new technology" and every idiot that can't think for themselves is falling for it. Oooooooh, a PS3 with Blu-ray that costs only $600 compared to a $1000 stand-alone player? OMG I'M IN! The stand-alone players aren't worth $1000 to begin with and the Blu-ray player in the PS3 is going to be a dumb-downed, cheap version anyways. Hell, I remember when Plasma's first came out and they were 10-15k. Now look how cheap they are.

Ugh, done rant.

The next DVD format may never be unifed. What makes you think Blu-Ray or even HD-DVD will fail? The gaming market has 3 players and yet you seem to think that in the entertainment market, there can't be two players? Get real here, neither Toshiba nor Sony will give up the billions that they have invested in their respective formats.

Next generation DVD's will not cost $40. Where do you get such numbers? Maybe some collector's edition or something like that will approach such numbers.

[Draff]

I'm sold. NOT. What launch games are you talking about? Haven't heard anything worth playing. Oh, and enjoy paying $40 for a 1080p DVD. :rolleyes:

Seriously, the only people that are going to get the PS3 at launch are:

1) Sony Fanboys
2) People that want to resell it for profit(ME!)
3) People that are sucked into Sony's Blu-ray marketing

Right now, Blu-ray and HD-DVD ARE NOT WORTH IT. PERIOD! Wait until one format becomes the norm or else you risk ending up with some obsolete garbage. And why the hell would you want to pay $40 for 1 DVD which you probably already own anyways?

All Sony is doing is hyping all of this "new technology" and every idiot that can't think for themselves is falling for it. Oooooooh, a PS3 with Blu-ray that costs only $600 compared to a $1000 stand-alone player? OMG I'M IN! The stand-alone players aren't worth $1000 to begin with and the Blu-ray player in the PS3 is going to be a dumb-downed, cheap version anyways. Hell, I remember when Plasma's first came out and they were 10-15k. Now look how cheap they are.

Ugh, done rant.

Wow, thanks for stating the obvious (i.e. new technology is more expensive than older technology). Of course Plasmas are a lot cheaper now than they were; that's because companies actually want to PROFIT from their products and in Sony's case, they want to limit the money lost. And please show me the link that suggests that the Ps3 will be a dumbed down player.

People paid 10-15k for plasmas for the thin profile and people who want to view movies at higher resolutions can afford it will. Also as stated the movies will not cost 40 dollars... Source please.

As far as launch games go, Heavenly Sword is incredible but I believe you made up your mind regardless... dismissing anyone who has any remote interest in the system as a fanboy. Yes, one game isn't worth the price tag and I certainly won't be getting one at launch but there are people who will buy it in ANTICIPATION of future titles that may be released thereafter.

BigBadBoo:
I don't know what you're talking about but Blu-Ray is NOT the "interaction of CD/DVD". The transition to Blu-Ray is akin to the transition from CD to DVD. The advantages obviously in home movies is the ability to view things in HIGH RES.

[Sgt_Strider]

Ask yourself. Is that what you are led to believe or did you do the research? Every day I question myself as to whether what we are told is reallly the truth. I can understand CD technology being expensive because it was a whole new medium. I cant understand Blu-ray being so expensive as its just seems like an interation of the CD/DVD and not a whole leap. If they were to sell me a 3D hologram screen for $5000, then I can somehow justfiy the price. But a faster and bigger version of DVD? Nope.

Maybe you should go and search up some information on Blu-Ray. Blu-ray media and drives are base on brand new technology that is radically different from the original DVD. It requires new investment in new production facilities. HD-DVD share some similarities with the original DVD format and therefore require less investment to make HD-DVD hardware.

[numb555]

Danm total Fanboy PWNAGE going on in here!

[BigBadBoo]

Maybe you should go and search up some information on Blu-Ray. Blu-ray media and drives are base on brand new technology that is radically different from the original DVD. It requires new investment in new production facilities. HD-DVD share some similarities with the original DVD format and therefore require less investment to make HD-DVD hardware.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Different laser and a new coating layer...

[ChinpokoMon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Different laser and a new coating layer...

You could say the same thing for CD->DVD.

[bmaz]

To say Blu-Ray is an iteration of DVD is either ignorance or stupidity, the fact that you have so much information available to you suggests to me its the latter.

Dual Layer DVD is an iteration of DVD, Blu-Ray is not, as others have said this is like going from CDs to DVDs, with those 2 formats using red lasers, so compatibility wasn't much of an issue.

Despite whoever wins in the HD format wars, Sony is not gonna start using the HD-DVD in the PS3, it's gonna be Blu-Ray no matter what.
The worst case scenario for Sony is that Blu-Ray doesn't take off, then they will just have a proprietary media format for use in the PS3.
Sony has used proprietary formats for years this will be no big deal for them.

[Sgt_Strider]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Different laser and a new coating layer...

Did I not say that it's different? My god..

[Sgt_Strider]

To say Blu-Ray is an iteration of DVD is either ignorance or stupidity, the fact that you have so much information available to you suggests to me its the latter.

Dual Layer DVD is an iteration of DVD, Blu-Ray is not, as others have said this is like going from CDs to DVDs, with those 2 formats using red lasers, so compatibility wasn't much of an issue.

Despite whoever wins in the HD format wars, Sony is not gonna start using the HD-DVD in the PS3, it's gonna be Blu-Ray no matter what.
The worst case scenario for Sony is that Blu-Ray doesn't take off, then they will just have a proprietary media format for use in the PS3.
Sony has used proprietary formats for years this will be no big deal for them.

You're right, regardless in whether Blu-Ray win or lose, Blu-ray will remain the format of choice for the PS3. Sony isn't going to switch format for the PS3 no matter what happens. What's done is done.

Blu-Ray isn't going to lose easily though. It has a lot of support and even some HD-DVD content backers like Warner has jumped onboard to make their content available for Blu-Ray players. I feel less confident for HD-DVD though Microsoft is releasing a HD-DVD drive for the 360. At this point it's too early to point out who's going to win or lose.

For you newbies, I suggest you guys do some research before you post crap like BigBadBoo :rolleyes:.

[SuSHi]

blu ray movies are starting at 30-40us each i believe, i read about that on gamespot

what's this blu ray marketing stuff? nothing's been marketed here, reading a blog is not marketing, reading a news article is hardly marketing, i have no clue what you're getting at

this ps3 in general is a sony hype ship, the only thing is it may have sunk itself at E3

they made some dumb decisions, offered no killer app for launch, and proved that the only real thing different from the other consoles is blu ray pretty much

i won't even consider purchasing one for myself until they have atleast 3-5 killer system exclusive games, which doesn't look like it'll happen for a year atleast

[Tmayhem]

Until there's affordable 1080p tvs out there, the technology is kinda useless anyway. Plus, for games it only allows programmers to be more lazy (and waste more space).

I don't see the advantage of Blu-ray for now, since it's likely going to be a usable technology in only 2-3 years from now, and maybe not even to mainstream.

[bmaz]

Until there's affordable 1080p tvs out there, the technology is kinda useless anyway. Plus, for games it only allows programmers to be more lazy (and waste more space).

I don't see the advantage of Blu-ray for now, since it's likely going to be a usable technology in only 2-3 years from now, and maybe not even to mainstream.
Let's say that you are 100% correct, the PS3 is gonna be around for 6+ years (the PS2 was launched in 2000).
So by 2 - 3 years down the road Sony will already have Blu-Ray built-in, Microsoft can't have the HD-DVD as a standard drive in any Xbox 360, it will piss off all the early adopters.
So game developers will still have to add their content to 2 or more DVD disks, for the life of the console.
The HD-DVD add on that MS has is only for playback of HD-DVD content (etc. movies) not for games.

[Tmayhem]

Let's say that you are 100% correct, the PS3 is gonna be around for 6+ years (the PS2 was launched in 2000).
So by 2 - 3 years down the road Sony will already have Blu-Ray built-in, Microsoft can't have the HD-DVD as a standard drive in any Xbox 360, it will piss off all the early adopters.
So game developers will still have to add their content to 2 or more DVD disks, for the life of the console.
The HD-DVD add on that MS has is only for playback of HD-DVD content (etc. movies) not for games.

For games I don't see it as a problem. Game developpers that need more than a DVD (8 gigs) are just lazy since rendered scenes don't take much space. There is no real difference in quality right now between games that use 1-2-3-4 gigs. The only difference is the space they use.

The Bluray or HD-DVD is mostly handy for movies. If you look at history though, the mainstream is just currently getting HD (720p) tvs and we're finally getting HD tv. The mainstream 1080p could be 5 years or more away, while early adopters in 2-3 years for high cost plasmas. Plus, with the current threath by the movie industry (that requires special anti-piracy chips), it might never even pickup.

As to Microsoft, they can sell two versions of the Xbox 360, a higher priced one with an HD-DVD. It wouldn't the first time there's a better bundle available. Sure, they can't do it now, but down the road, in a year or two, I'm sure they could.

Btw, I'm not for or against a particular console. I decided to pass on both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 (or Nintendo's nextgen). I'm a tech addict though, so Bluray/HD-Dvd debates interest me more than the consoles debate.

[bmaz]

...As to Microsoft, they can sell two versions of the Xbox 360, a higher priced one with an HD-DVD. It wouldn't the first time there's a better bundle available. Sure, they can't do it now, but down the road, in a year or two, I'm sure they could...
They can do this, but what I am saying is the game developers still have to develop the games with DVD in mind.
I don't see them coming out with 2 versions of the same game, unless they have DVD9 version on one side and an HD-DVD version on the other.

[BigBadBoo]

Haha, some people get so bent up over me questioning the Blu-ray. So much for fanboyism. Again, I dont think Blu-ray is so 'radically' different that it requires such a high price-point. Its just marketting to get your money. I am not saying Blu-ray sucks or anything, just that it seems useless for now. Putting it in to the PS3 seems is just a way for Sony to force it onto the industry resulting in the gamers having to pay for it. Again, you gotta ask yourself if its really worth it for that price. I did do my research and it hasnt impressed me at all. For the person saying there hasnt been marketting, the marketting is the PS3. Basically forcing the industry to adopt it because they know gamers will buy the PS3. When news stations announce the PS3, what do you think the first point they will say about it? Blu-ray. If MS did this, I would be doing the same here. I dont have anything against Sony. I just question decisions made by companies instead of blindly following it. And I bet most of the defenders on here never did their research on Blu-ray and just jumped the bandwagon. "OH wow, 1080p movies, OMG like so I need a new TV now"

And yes, I still want to see a triple A title running at 1080p with 60fps before the end of 2007. That would be quite an achievement.

[Kurtz7834]

I'm sold. NOT. What launch games are you talking about? Haven't heard anything worth playing. Oh, and enjoy paying $40 for a 1080p DVD. :rolleyes:

Seriously, the only people that are going to get the PS3 at launch are:

1) Sony Fanboys
2) People that want to resell it for profit(ME!)
3) People that are sucked into Sony's Blu-ray marketing

Right now, Blu-ray and HD-DVD ARE NOT WORTH IT. PERIOD! Wait until one format becomes the norm or else you risk ending up with some obsolete garbage. And why the hell would you want to pay $40 for 1 DVD which you probably already own anyways?

All Sony is doing is hyping all of this "new technology" and every idiot that can't think for themselves is falling for it. Oooooooh, a PS3 with Blu-ray that costs only $600 compared to a $1000 stand-alone player? OMG I'M IN! The stand-alone players aren't worth $1000 to begin with and the Blu-ray player in the PS3 is going to be a dumb-downed, cheap version anyways. Hell, I remember when Plasma's first came out and they were 10-15k. Now look how cheap they are.

Ugh, done rant.

I think some good points are made here. In addition to the above, I think the following has to be kept in mind:

It has yet to be seen whether Blu Ray is compelling to the average person. I personally doubt it will be. The average person doesn't even have HDTV! I myself still do not own one even though I have all the consoles and tonnes of gadgets. HDTV is just not yet cheap enough for me to jump in en masse and upgrade a few sets. Sony is pushing a technology that I don't think there's yet a demand for (Blu Ray.) Why does your average guy want this? So he can buy all his DVD movies over again?

I think most people are going to evaluate the PS3 as a game system and that's it. And it's gonna seem really expensive for a game system.

I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: ALL of us would like to own a PS3 *IF* the price is right ie. less. Points of 'It's a good deal for the hardware included' are valid, but keep this in mind - Your average guy doesn't know much about the hardware included and as explained above, likely doesn't care about Blu Ray.

I think since the PS3 is priced so much higher than its competition, sales will be slow. Sure the initial batch will sell out quickly, but due to lack of supply, speculation and scalping rather than a tonne of demand. I think major price drops will be needed in 2007 before this system takes off. Sony will lose money but they have no one to blame but themselves, for ignoring what the market wants and not building a machine to be affordable, and not planning realistically.

And such a price drop would be good news for everyone! Those who don't think the PS3 at launch price is a good value could reconsider it then.

[BigBadBoo]

Now this is what the next gen DVD should be;

http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htm

"Holographic recording technology records data on discs in the form of laser interference fringes, enabling existing discs the same size as today's DVDs to store as much as one terabyte of data (200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD)."

:) Im done with the PS3 + Blu-ray issue. I'll be looking forward to this holodisc technology. 1gb/s load times on a next-gen game == holy ****.

[rdtx2002]

For games I don't see it as a problem. Game developpers that need more than a DVD (8 gigs) are just lazy since rendered scenes don't take much space. There is no real difference in quality right now between games that use 1-2-3-4 gigs. The only difference is the space they use.


in essence you are saying that Rockstar, Namco (Xenosaga) and SquareEnix are lazy developers because they actually 'need' that space for games.

kinda ignorant if you ask me

[rdtx2002]

It has yet to be seen whether Blu Ray is compelling to the average person. I personally doubt it will be. The average person doesn't even have HDTV! I myself still do not own one even though I have all the consoles and tonnes of gadgets. HDTV is just not yet cheap enough for me to jump in en masse and upgrade a few sets. Sony is pushing a technology that I don't think there's yet a demand for (Blu Ray.) Why does your average guy want this? So he can buy all his DVD movies over again?

and how do you think that the average joe won't buy it?.. you do need to realize that the Ps3 is essentially a BluRay player. Sony is just setting their trojan horse (ps3) like they did with the (ps2) to bring the format to the masses.

Nintenodo DS didn't stop players from buying older 'remade' versions again.. and the introduction of the DVD didn't stop people from buying DVD versions of movies they had in VHS.. so i don't see where you are going with this.

Say SquareEnix used all the the BluRay's capability to remake the ever so loved Final Fantasy 7.. are you saying you won't buy it? cuz I probably know 2 million + people that are just 'dying' for a remake of that game.

I think most people are going to evaluate the PS3 as a game system and that's it. And it's gonna seem really expensive for a game system.

people are going to evaluate the Ps3 like they did the PS2.. as an ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM.

Your average guy doesn't know much about the hardware included and as explained above, likely doesn't care about Blu Ray.

the average guy is a sheep.. and Sony is a brand name you can't underestimate.. and don't forget.. CG graphics also sell the console too whether they are done in real time or not.

I think since the PS3 is priced so much higher than its competition, sales will be slow. Sure the initial batch will sell out quickly, but due to lack of supply, speculation and scalping rather than a tonne of demand. I think major price drops will be needed in 2007 before this system takes off. Sony will lose money but they have no one to blame but themselves, for ignoring what the market wants and not building a machine to be affordable, and not planning realistically.

same can be said to a lesser extent for the PS2... why are you questioning Sony's marketing strategy when they are the console userbase leader?

And such a price drop would be good news for everyone! Those who don't think the PS3 at launch price is a good value could reconsider it then.

console prices are made to be dropped.. your point is invalid.

[nfnx]

i just skimmed through the last 10 pages, wehres this new redesigned controller?

[Draff]

First of all, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread, obviously to try and downplay the PS3.

Firstly, blu-ray is here to stay. You can go on about the holographic storage mechanisms and how much they can hold but you will be waiting for a long time. Of course there's superior technology but that does not mean it will become mainstream. To make a format mainstream, you need to have the support of movie studios and so far, the holographic solution does NOT have this and it will not have this until maybe after blu-ray. Also, superior technology does not always win out (e.g. beta vs vhs). I'm glad you're willing to wait until 2012 for your next gen system but I'm not.

As far as blu-ray movie prices are concerned, a quick google search yielded this:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/83392/sony-prices-bluray-movies.html

Really, if you're going to argue prices, at least google first.

Sushi:
As far as triple A titles, obviously most of you are overlooking Heavenly Sword for the sake of bolstering your arguments. Lots of people bought the 360 before the killer apps starting appearing.. (I don't consider PDZ one of them)

Tmayhem:
Using your logic, the N64's cartridges were not a limiting aspect...

[Tmayhem]

Tmayhem:
Using your logic, the N64's cartridges were not a limiting aspect...

I stand by what I said, today's DVD9 capacities are plenty. Programmation code doesn't take that much place, compressed high level textures (used by the video cards in PS3/Xbox360) don't take too much either. Rendered images don't take anything since they are rendered and not pre-stored.

The need for a bigger format is mainly motivated by HD DVD movies who will need more space to store raw video at a higher resolution.

I can assure you that for game developpers, DVD9 or Bluray or HD-DVD won't limit what they can do.

[ShadowVlican]

i just skimmed through the last 10 pages, wehres this new redesigned controller?
there is no redesign... more like re-using their OLD design and copying (err.. adding) nintendo's sensing feature

[rdtx2002]

I can assure you that for game developpers, DVD9 or Bluray or HD-DVD won't limit what they can do.

yet Namco complained they couldn't do all they could with the DVD9 because of a lack of space

[sleepyguy]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64797

Excellent article here imho. I totally agree with the writer on this.

Q4 2006 will be pretty exciting in the console side though!

[mark_in_2k]

.. and the introduction of the DVD didn't stop people from buying DVD versions of movies they had in VHS.. so i don't see where you are going with this.There's a huge difference in quality between VHS and DVD movies (such as PQ, menu navigation, special features, etc). A lot of people replaced their VHS copies due to the "enhanced" features that DVD's gave them.

However, for people to be able appreciate blu-ray, they also have to purchase an HDTV. VHS to DVD didn't require this extra, very expensive purchase. I therefore think that blu-ray will take a lot longer to get a foothold in the consumer marketplace.

Let's also not forget that's it's now competing against HD-DVD, so people now have a choice, which they didn't when DVD first came out.

[Sgt_Strider]

For games I don't see it as a problem. Game developpers that need more than a DVD (8 gigs) are just lazy since rendered scenes don't take much space. There is no real difference in quality right now between games that use 1-2-3-4 gigs. The only difference is the space they use.

The Bluray or HD-DVD is mostly handy for movies. If you look at history though, the mainstream is just currently getting HD (720p) tvs and we're finally getting HD tv. The mainstream 1080p could be 5 years or more away, while early adopters in 2-3 years for high cost plasmas. Plus, with the current threath by the movie industry (that requires special anti-piracy chips), it might never even pickup.

As to Microsoft, they can sell two versions of the Xbox 360, a higher priced one with an HD-DVD. It wouldn't the first time there's a better bundle available. Sure, they can't do it now, but down the road, in a year or two, I'm sure they could.

Btw, I'm not for or against a particular console. I decided to pass on both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 (or Nintendo's nextgen). I'm a tech addict though, so Bluray/HD-Dvd debates interest me more than the consoles debate.

Where do you get this **** from? Programmers aren't lazy if they make their games requiring more space. Obviously the higher resolution textures will take up more space on a disc. This has nothing to do with being lazy. I rather have everything done in real time than with rendered scenes. Rendered scenes is so last generation.

Yes, Microsoft can sell a Xbox 360 bundle with the HD-DVD drive, but it won't change the fact that Xbox 360 games will NEVER appear on HD-DVD. The reasons are obvious so I won't explain it.

[Sgt_Strider]

Haha, some people get so bent up over me questioning the Blu-ray. So much for fanboyism. Again, I dont think Blu-ray is so 'radically' different that it requires such a high price-point. Its just marketting to get your money. I am not saying Blu-ray sucks or anything, just that it seems useless for now. Putting it in to the PS3 seems is just a way for Sony to force it onto the industry resulting in the gamers having to pay for it. Again, you gotta ask yourself if its really worth it for that price. I did do my research and it hasnt impressed me at all. For the person saying there hasnt been marketting, the marketting is the PS3. Basically forcing the industry to adopt it because they know gamers will buy the PS3. When news stations announce the PS3, what do you think the first point they will say about it? Blu-ray. If MS did this, I would be doing the same here. I dont have anything against Sony. I just question decisions made by companies instead of blindly following it. And I bet most of the defenders on here never did their research on Blu-ray and just jumped the bandwagon. "OH wow, 1080p movies, OMG like so I need a new TV now"

And yes, I still want to see a triple A title running at 1080p with 60fps before the end of 2007. That would be quite an achievement.

This has nothing to do with fanboyism. It's you posting crap after crap. If you posted something useful or that's related to the truth then we wouldn't be bashing you for it.

You're forgetting something here. Some people actually have money to buy this **** :rolleyes:.

[Sgt_Strider]

I stand by what I said, today's DVD9 capacities are plenty. Programmation code doesn't take that much place, compressed high level textures (used by the video cards in PS3/Xbox360) don't take too much either. Rendered images don't take anything since they are rendered and not pre-stored.

The need for a bigger format is mainly motivated by HD DVD movies who will need more space to store raw video at a higher resolution.

I can assure you that for game developpers, DVD9 or Bluray or HD-DVD won't limit what they can do.

Obviously your assumptions doesn't reflect reality. Sigh :rolleyes:.

[rdtx2002]

Let's also not forget that's it's now competing against HD-DVD, so people now have a choice, which they didn't when DVD first came out.

problem is.. HDDVD doesn't have the support base that BluRay does

[Tmayhem]

Where do you get this **** from? Programmers aren't lazy if they make their games requiring more space. Obviously the higher resolution textures will take up more space on a disc. This has nothing to do with being lazy. I rather have everything done in real time than with rendered scenes. Rendered scenes is so last generation.

Yes, Microsoft can sell a Xbox 360 bundle with the HD-DVD drive, but it won't change the fact that Xbox 360 games will NEVER appear on HD-DVD. The reasons are obvious so I won't explain it.

Huh? Rendered scenes are real-time... It means that the engine renders it in real-time. Since it does, you don't need to have pre-recorded footage that take up big amount of space.

And look... all my friends are programmers working in the biz. Lazy code = bulkier code/program. Quick example that I can think about: BitTornado (4M) vs Utorrent (560KB), yet Utorrent is cleaner, looks better and has more functions. Both essentially do the same. Another easy to understand example: if you use .BMP instead of .JPG for images, you will need 5-10 times more space, yet they essentially do the same.

A long time ago, a game was released on 7 Cds, named Phantasmagoria. Well guess what, if that game was made again, it could fit onto 1 Cd.

Basically, developpers build their game and then fit it on the media. If you have to fit it on 4 Gigs, or 8 Gigs, you will manage to do so without changing the end result.

It's like a big storage room, if you're not organized, you will pack a lot less in it than if the space is neatly organised. However, if you have more room than you think you can use, you probably won't get organized and just pack things as they go, because you won't see a reason why (and this is what leads to lazy/bulky code).

So once again I state that the format DVD, HD-DVD or Bluray won't change a thing when it comes to games. It won't be a limit at all. It's just not a selling point.

[SuSHi]

the only thing blu ray does is hold space

for example for those of you that have modded xbox's you know exactly how much space a game takes up, most games hardly even push 3.5 gigs

some games make use of the double layer but it's safe to say only 1-2% only max out the 9 gigs

EA sports current gen games don't usually don't take more than a gamecube disc can handle so they can port it over to ps2 and xbox, so if they keep that up you'll be getting blu ray games with no more than 4.5 (wii) or 9 (360) gigs

blu ray is not going to change gaming, yet people think it will, there will be high quality movies, and LONGER games, not BETTER neccasarily, you could have a spongebob game that's 800 hours long

some people don't realize that sony didn't put blu ray into the ps3 for gaming, they put it in for movies and the hope that blu ray will become the standard media source so they can collect royalties

[jerryhussain]

Firstly, blu-ray is here to stay. You can go on about the holographic storage mechanisms and how much they can hold but you will be waiting for a long time. Of course there's superior technology but that does not mean it will become mainstream. To make a format mainstream, you need to have the support of movie studios and so far, the holographic solution does NOT have this and it will not have this until maybe after blu-ray. Also, superior technology does not always win out (e.g. beta vs vhs). I'm glad you're willing to wait until 2012 for your next gen system but I'm not.
You are willing to bet your money on a format war + interim format, good luck to you. ;) HVD is set to launch this year only just like HD-DVD and Blu-ray and it will become mainstream steadily, not like your over-exaggerated 2012.

As far as triple A titles, obviously most of you are overlooking Heavenly Sword for the sake of bolstering your arguments. Lots of people bought the 360 before the killer apps starting appearing.. (I don't consider PDZ one of them)
Heavenly Sword was not running at 1080p, that was their target. The only "game" or more like a tech-demo that was 1080p at Sony's booth was two year old GT4.

[BigBadBoo]

This has nothing to do with fanboyism. It's you posting crap after crap. If you posted something useful or that's related to the truth then we wouldn't be bashing you for it.

You're forgetting something here. Some people actually have money to buy this **** :rolleyes:.

After reading your responses, it looks like you are the one spewing out the crap here. I asked questions and resorted to using facts whereas you just answered with the typical fanboy responses, and attacking me as well.

I only got into this Blu-ray issue this week, but I already learned enough to realize that its basically Sony and Co taking us all for a ride. But if you want to hold on to your obsession for them, go ahead.

[BigBadBoo]

Heavenly Sword was not running at 1080p, that was their target. The only "game" or more like a tech-demo that was 1080p at Sony's booth was two year old GT4.

Just to be fair, I did read somewhere that GT HD was running at 60 fps at 1080p. Thats promising, but it was also stated that they were using GT4 assets so it wasnt new next gen stuff.

And ya, 300 gb version of HVD will be out this summer. Should be interesting, although the movie industry will most likely try to kill it off if they cant have a piece of the pie off its profits.

[Sgt_Strider]

Huh? Rendered scenes are real-time... It means that the engine renders it in real-time. Since it does, you don't need to have pre-recorded footage that take up big amount of space.

My apology if I misinterpreted the term.

And look... all my friends are programmers working in the biz. Lazy code = bulkier code/program. Quick example that I can think about: BitTornado (4M) vs Utorrent (560KB), yet Utorrent is cleaner, looks better and has more functions. Both essentially do the same. Another easy to understand example: if you use .BMP instead of .JPG for images, you will need 5-10 times more space, yet they essentially do the same.

A long time ago, a game was released on 7 Cds, named Phantasmagoria. Well guess what, if that game was made again, it could fit onto 1 Cd.

Basically, developpers build their game and then fit it on the media. If you have to fit it on 4 Gigs, or 8 Gigs, you will manage to do so without changing the end result.

It's like a big storage room, if you're not organized, you will pack a lot less in it than if the space is neatly organised. However, if you have more room than you think you can use, you probably won't get organized and just pack things as they go, because you won't see a reason why (and this is what leads to lazy/bulky code).

So once again I state that the format DVD, HD-DVD or Bluray won't change a thing when it comes to games. It won't be a limit at all. It's just not a selling point.

I stand by what I said. What you have provided isn't solid evidence to support your claim.

[Sgt_Strider]

After reading your responses, it looks like you are the one spewing out the crap here. I asked questions and resorted to using facts whereas you just answered with the typical fanboy responses, and attacking me as well.

I only got into this Blu-ray issue this week, but I already learned enough to realize that its basically Sony and Co taking us all for a ride. But if you want to hold on to your obsession for them, go ahead.

LMAO! I suggest you go back and read your crap again.

[Chandler]

A long time ago, a game was released on 7 Cds, named Phantasmagoria. Well guess what, if that game was made again, it could fit onto 1 Cd.


Well that game required 7 CDs because of all the movie content it had. You could argue that today they could use xvid instead, but that shrinkage of memory taken wasn't from code.

[Kurtz7834]

and how do you think that the average joe won't buy it?.. you do need to realize that the Ps3 is essentially a BluRay player. Sony is just setting their trojan horse (ps3) like they did with the (ps2) to bring the format to the masses.

Nintenodo DS didn't stop players from buying older 'remade' versions again.. and the introduction of the DVD didn't stop people from buying DVD versions of movies they had in VHS.. so i don't see where you are going with this.

Moving from VHS to DVD gave the average user a massive jump in quality and features. Much sharper image quality, increased durability (when cared for properly) and much extra space for never before seen features, commentaries, added scenes etc.

As was said by mark_in_2k, Blu Ray requires additional expensive investments in HDTVs to see the benefits. And the improvement to the user is much less than going from VHS to DVD. Most people don't have HDTVs yet and can't take advantage of the technology.


Say SquareEnix used all the the BluRay's capability to remake the ever so loved Final Fantasy 7.. are you saying you won't buy it? cuz I probably know 2 million + people that are just 'dying' for a remake of that game.

There may be a demand for a remake of that game, but I doubt there's so much of one that tens of millions of people are dying to spend over $700 to play a remake of a 10 year old game.



people are going to evaluate the Ps3 like they did the PS2.. as an ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM.

This remains to be seen. The truth was the PS2 was a pretty mediocre DVD player and after 2001 or 2002, I think most people bought it to play games. All the PS2 did was play DVDs and games.



the average guy is a sheep.. and Sony is a brand name you can't underestimate.. and don't forget.. CG graphics also sell the console too whether they are done in real time or not.
That's your opinion. My opinion is, even if the average guy IS a sheep, he simply doesn't have $700 to blow on a video game system / "entertainment centre." Especially when the X360 is over $150 less, the Wii will likely be a 3rd of the cost of the PS3, and DVD players can be easily picked up for $30.

It's usually not a good business strategy to assume people are stupid and can be lured to buy anything.



same can be said to a lesser extent for the PS2... why are you questioning Sony's marketing strategy when they are the console userbase leader?
Past success does not guarantee future success. Nintendo was once the console market leader and lost the lead with the N64. Sony is not invincible and with such a huge share of the market, the fact is its market share is likely to decline in the next gen, not increase. It has priced the PS3 much higher than its competitors and is a year behind the 360, which is projected to sell 10 million units by the end of 2006 and will have many quality second gen games by the time the PS3 launches, likely with a sparse selection of awkward 1st gen games, just like the 360's launch titles. I'm not the only one questioning Sony's moves, many industry observers and analysts also are.

What you also have to remember is when the PS2 launched in late 2000, the XBox and Gamecube *did not exist.* They followed a *year* later. It was competing against what, the N64 and Dreamcast? The N64 was unexciting and dead at that point and the Dreamcast was a minor niche player. Sony's biggest PS2 competition came from its own PS1. There is far more competition in the market today in 2006. In late 2006, the PS3 is going to be in the position the Xbox and Cube were in 2001, playing catch up. This next gen, Microsoft is in the position Sony was in 2000, albeit with strong competition. Nintendo is in a similar position as it was in 2001, albeit with less market share than it had back then in the console market.



console prices are made to be dropped.. your point is invalid.
The fact is many past consoles have failed due to being priced too highly (Neo Geo, 3DO, Saturn, etc.) See the current thread in the entertainment forum referring to launch prices indexed to inflation for all past systems, and you'll see that systems that were priced higher than their competitors generally failed in the marketplace.

Plus Sony is already losing a lot of money selling the PS3 hardware at $650, so any price drops will be difficult, take time and will sting its cash reserves even more.

[Kurtz7834]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64797

Excellent article here imho. I totally agree with the writer on this.

Q4 2006 will be pretty exciting in the console side though!

Very good article. Sony fanboys need to read this. I'm not into console holy wars, I have a Cube, PS2, Xbox and 360 and I love them all.

Just assuming the PS3 will be the best system by far because it's the successor to PS2 and made by Sony is silly though. This article makes some good points as to why.

[bmaz]

Let's all agree to disagree, and wait for further developments or news from Sony.

Looking back, they have mis-led us in many areas, and until it actually launches I might just keep my mouth shut.
It omitted Dual HDMI output, with the cheaper one not even having HDMI output, this from Sony who was/is pushing 1080p.
The boomerang controller looked ugly, but it showed that they designed it with 'something' in mind, who knows it might have been the most comfortable controller ever.
But now they deferred back to their old design.
The PS3 is also said to support up to 7 controllers, but do they really mean devices.
If you look on the controller itself, it has LEDs numbered from 1 - 4 only.
The specs seem to be changing continually, the PS3 wasn't even supposed to have a GPU Cell was supposed to do all that work.

So I will reserved judgement until it finally launches, til then...

[SuSHi]

i think sony should delay this system

it really doesn't have much to offer other than blu ray support

right now all it seems like is an xbox 360 with a motion sensoring controller

it just seems so undefined, xbox has live which is a great service and nintendo has a new way to play games, sony needs a niche somewhere or it'll go down quick

i still think it's way too expensive, $750 after taxes, and all you have is hardware

[rdtx2002]

Let's all agree to disagree, and wait for further developments or news from Sony.

Looking back, they have mis-led us in many areas, and until it actually launches I might just keep my mouth shut.
It omitted Dual HDMI output, with the cheaper one not even having HDMI output, this from Sony who was/is pushing 1080p.
The boomerang controller looked ugly, but it showed that they designed it with 'something' in mind, who knows it might have been the most comfortable controller ever.
But now they deferred back to their old design.
The PS3 is also said to support up to 7 controllers, but do they really mean devices.
If you look on the controller itself, it has LEDs numbered from 1 - 4 only.
The specs seem to be changing continually, the PS3 wasn't even supposed to have a GPU Cell was supposed to do all that work.

So I will reserved judgement until it finally launches, til then...

everyone changes their specs.. remember Xbox and their 125 million polygons persec?

[rdtx2002]

the only thing blu ray does is hold space

for example for those of you that have modded xbox's you know exactly how much space a game takes up, most games hardly even push 3.5 gigs

some games make use of the double layer but it's safe to say only 1-2% only max out the 9 gigs

EA sports current gen games don't usually don't take more than a gamecube disc can handle so they can port it over to ps2 and xbox, so if they keep that up you'll be getting blu ray games with no more than 4.5 (wii) or 9 (360) gigs

blu ray is not going to change gaming, yet people think it will, there will be high quality movies, and LONGER games, not BETTER neccasarily, you could have a spongebob game that's 800 hours long

some people don't realize that sony didn't put blu ray into the ps3 for gaming, they put it in for movies and the hope that blu ray will become the standard media source so they can collect royalties

Xenosaga and Metal Gear made quite good use of the DVD9.. if the space is available.. developers will use it.

[sleepyguy]

LoL... not really ps3 related but sony/blu-ray related

http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/archive/2006/05/16/11622.aspx

pretty funny...

[nfnx]

there is no redesign... more like re-using their OLD design and copying (err.. adding) nintendo's sensing feature

so they scrapped teh boomerang?
i liked that one.

[jerryhussain]

everyone changes their specs.. remember Xbox and their 125 million polygons persec?
Its still there (http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/xbox1.htm). Also note that it is Nvidia who is providing the specs, not Microsoft.

:lol:

[SuSHi]

Xenosaga and Metal Gear made quite good use of the DVD9.. if the space is available.. developers will use it.

yeah but as i said, it's going to be a rarity

and longer games cost more develop

[rdtx2002]

yeah but as i said, it's going to be a rarity

and longer games cost more develop

doesn't really matter anyways.. all PS3 games will be on BluRay.. whether they use up all the space or not.

[rdtx2002]

This remains to be seen. The truth was the PS2 was a pretty mediocre DVD player and after 2001 or 2002, I think most people bought it to play games. All the PS2 did was play DVDs and games.

what you think is far from the truth.. the PS2 from it's first several years was known as mainly a DVD player with the lack of games. There are many articles to prove this.. find it if you have time.

Same thing with Ps3.. it'll be a BluRay player but also an entertainment system.. and it does more than play BluRay, DVDs, and games.

That's your opinion. My opinion is, even if the average guy IS a sheep, he simply doesn't have $700 to blow on a video game system / "entertainment centre." Especially when the X360 is over $150 less, the Wii will likely be a 3rd of the cost of the PS3, and DVD players can be easily picked up for $30.

you don't understand the mind of a 'sheep'.. if Sony was to realease the greatest and latest.. the sheep will come regardless the price.. Sony is still known as a 'status' brand.. you have a Sony = better lifestyle (though i disagree with this mentality)... and you say the average guy doesn't have 700 to blow?.. well.. if people have hundreds to blow on stupid useless iPods... people will find the money to buy a PS3.

It's usually not a good business strategy to assume people are stupid and can be lured to buy anything.

but you can't deny it happens... same with Xbox360.. the line up sucks crap.. but some people are stupid to be lure to buying it.

Past success does not guarantee future success. Nintendo was once the console market leader and lost the lead with the N64. Sony is not invincible and with such a huge share of the market, the fact is its market share is likely to decline in the next gen, not increase. It has priced the PS3 much higher than its competitors and is a year behind the 360, which is projected to sell 10 million units by the end of 2006 and will have many quality second gen games by the time the PS3 launches, likely with a sparse selection of awkward 1st gen games, just like the 360's launch titles. I'm not the only one questioning Sony's moves, many industry observers and analysts also are

take whatever 'analysts' say with a grain of salt.. they always like to report the 'gloom and doom' scenario.

Nintendo was once a console market leader.. but have you really analyzed why Nintendo lost the lead with the n64?.. easy.. they failed to innovate and move to a disc platform and lost the Square franchise.. that was their 'glaring mistake'... do you see a 'glaring' mistake from Sony and the PS3?.. I bertainly do not.

The fact is many past consoles have failed due to being priced too highly (Neo Geo, 3DO, Saturn, etc.) See the current thread in the entertainment forum referring to launch prices indexed to inflation for all past systems, and you'll see that systems that were priced higher than their competitors generally failed in the marketplace.

i'ts a null fact as we are all living better.. and people still buy a XB360 that is above the so-called $299 threshold.

Plus Sony is already losing a lot of money selling the PS3 hardware at $650, so any price drops will be difficult, take time and will sting its cash reserves even more.

Sony lost money with Ps2 and Ps1 hardware also... so what difference does it make if they lost money with the Ps3..

Sony will break even on the PS3 after a year anyways.. they are a big comglomorate that can absorb these losses.

[rdtx2002]

Its still there (http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/xbox1.htm). Also note that it is Nvidia who is providing the specs, not Microsoft.

:lol:

don't forget all the lies on xbox.com about the power of the Cube and PS2... and also remember when the Xbox was 'suppose' to be a 766Mhz CPU?

yeah.. Microsoft probably doesn't lie in your books.................

[rdtx2002]

Just assuming the PS3 will be the best system by far because it's the successor to PS2 and made by Sony is silly though. This article makes some good points as to why.

but you also can't deny just because they have a 100+ million installed userbase.. that it will be an instant failure as you seem to want to incline with the Ps3 ;)

Ps3 has many things going for it.. userbase and game library.. the two most important things.

not to mention they have a stanglehold on the Japanese gamers

[Kurtz7834]

To respond to rdtx2002, here's what I'll say in closing (for now) about the PS3.

In my opinion, the *games* are going to be what attract most people and what make or break the system, *not* Blu Ray. As I've said, I really don't think most people care about Blu Ray, as they have no reason to.

The PS3 has what is historically a massively high price tag. To justify this, it's going to have to have a lot of good exclusive titles. Specifically a good launch lineup. It's going to have to prove it's better, more exciting and more innovative than both the 360 and the Wii.

Judging from E3, it's unclear what Sony will have ready for PS3 launch. Very few developers seem ready to commit to putting out a launch title.

In the last gen, I acquired all the systems after price drops.
Right now, I really don't see how the PS3 justifies its high price tag. But I'm also not a fanboy. And I don't think I'm alone.

The end of the day, the PS3 is a gaming system, the games, quality and quantity or lack thereof, will make or break it. Given that it doesn't look like many (if any) AAA titles will be ready for launch, it looks like the hype will fizzle when the reality sets in, and Sony will have to work hard in 2007 to win back fans and justify the hype and high price tag.

I mean, when you're hyping a remake of GT4, your launch lineup is probably gonna be weak.

Oh, to respond to your last message, I don't assume the PS3 will be a failure, especially in the long run. It's way to early to make such a call.

I think it will be a success in the long run, although I don't think it will have the dominance of the market that the PS2 did. This is not solely Sony's fault though though, Nintendo and Microsoft are really getting their acts together this next gen.

I think the PS3 will have a slow start and be a fanboys only thing for the first 6 month. It will definitely have a lot of great games by the end of 2007. It will have an easier time justifying its price tag at the end of 2007 I think, even if the price can't drop.

Probably by late 2007 / early 2008 the PS3 will catch up to the 360 in terms of game library, and then we'll see more people buying each system, more 3rd party development for both systems, it will only be good.

A PS3 failure would be very bad for the market and gamers in general. Tight competition is the best thing.

[tonychau]

found them off from websites.

http://www.wii60.com/uploads/87.jpg

This clip is from Sony E3 conference, where the 6-degrees motion sensing controller in action.
http://www.wii60.com/uploads/107.gif

At least, God has spoken! ;0
http://www.wii60.com/uploads/154.jpg

[rdtx2002]

In my opinion, the *games* are going to be what attract most people and what make or break the system, *not* Blu Ray. As I've said, I really don't think most people care about Blu Ray, as they have no reason to.

and like i said before also.. just like how people ignored the DVD capabilities of the PS2?... come on now.. people first bought the Ps2 as a cheap option DVD player that happens to play Ps2 games... it wasn't until at least halfway that it became a gaming system.

The PS3 has what is historically a massively high price tag. To justify this, it's going to have to have a lot of good exclusive titles. Specifically a good launch lineup. It's going to have to prove it's better, more exciting and more innovative than both the 360 and the Wii.

All consoles this generation except for Wii at the present time have broken the 299$ barrier.

Sony arguable has the best 'overall' lineup in the marketplace.. the price is not going to hurt them one bit. XB360 hasn't shwon much that is going to 'blow' the Ps3 out of the water... but yet Sony is able to hang on to key franchises like Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo and Metal Gear.

Judging from E3, it's unclear what Sony will have ready for PS3 launch. Very few developers seem ready to commit to putting out a launch title.

nothing different from the E3 before the Ps2 launch.

In the last gen, I acquired all the systems after price drops.
Right now, I really don't see how the PS3 justifies its high price tag. But I'm also not a fanboy. And I don't think I'm alone.

doesn't matter when and how much you buy it for.. there will be early adopters.. there will be ebay sellers..

The end of the day, the PS3 is a gaming system, the games, quality and quantity or lack thereof, will make or break it. Given that it doesn't look like many (if any) AAA titles will be ready for launch, it looks like the hype will fizzle when the reality sets in, and Sony will have to work hard in 2007 to win back fans and justify the hype and high price tag.

and what do you define an AAA title?.. that opinion is so subjective... to YOU it may not have an AAA title.. but to othees it will

I mean, when you're hyping a remake of GT4, your launch lineup is probably gonna be weak.

so people should ignore MGS4?... FFXIII?................



man.. talking to you is like a broken record.. can't you even see the similarities of the Ps2 and PS3 pre-launch hype?.. it's so clear!.

[bmaz]

Enough of this back and forth ish, you have both made your points.
Neither of you are gonna change your opinions so lets move on.

[jerryhussain]

don't forget all the lies on xbox.com about the power of the Cube and PS2... and also remember when the Xbox was 'suppose' to be a 766Mhz CPU?

yeah.. Microsoft probably doesn't lie in your books.................
All the lies on Xbox.com ? Care to point them out instead of acting like a conspiracy theorist. :lol:

I have never said Microsoft never lied either, its just you imagining things. ;)

[rdtx2002]

All the lies on Xbox.com ? Care to point them out instead of acting like a conspiracy theorist. :lol:

I have never said Microsoft never lied either, its just you imagining things. ;)

they way you presented it in the first place was implying that Sony and whomever was the only one fudging their specifications.

and.. i can't point out the stuff on xbox.com becaue they did many site refreshes since the inception of the Xbox..

they did however have a comparison chart between xbox, ps2, and gamecube.. which everything about the competition was pretty much false.

[jerryhussain]

they way you presented it in the first place was implying that Sony and whomever was the only one fudging their specifications.
The way I presented it? Wait, it was you who claimed Microsoft lied about the 125 million polygons number and I said the spec was still there implying you were wrong.

and.. i can't point out the stuff on xbox.com becaue they did many site refreshes since the inception of the Xbox..
Another thing you're backing out on, okay..

they did however have a comparison chart between xbox, ps2, and gamecube.. which everything about the competition was pretty much false.
Maybe thats suited to the 360 thread? Besides, its a known fact that hardware wise Xbox > GC, PS2.

[Tmayhem]

and like i said before also.. just like how people ignored the DVD capabilities of the PS2?... come on now.. people first bought the Ps2 as a cheap option DVD player that happens to play Ps2 games... it wasn't until at least halfway that it became a gaming system.

All consoles this generation except for Wii at the present time have broken the 299$ barrier.

Sony arguable has the best 'overall' lineup in the marketplace.. the price is not going to hurt them one bit. XB360 hasn't shwon much that is going to 'blow' the Ps3 out of the water... but yet Sony is able to hang on to key franchises like Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo and Metal Gear.

doesn't matter when and how much you buy it for.. there will be early adopters.. there will be ebay sellers..


DVD and Bluray can't be compared. When the PS2 came out, DVD was already 4 years old. Plus, DVD had an immediate effect for the buyer, without changing his equipment (as DVD is cleaner even on non-HD tvs). So, yeah, some people bought the PS2 partly because of its DVD part.

Now, Bluray is a new technology, support is sparse and there will be no immediate effect for the buyer (as they'll have to buy 1080p equipment to have a better image, and browsing Futureshop or Bestbuy I don't see a single TV that supports 1080p). So, why would anyone want a Bluray player other than to play PS3 games?

As to the price, the PS2 was 300$, the Xbox 360 core is 300$ and the PS3 is going to be 500$? You better really want to play the PS3 games to get it.

About the lineup, sure there's FFXIII and MGS4, but both won't be ready for the launch and available in 2007.

Because of all that, there will be a lot of questionmarks around the PS3's success.

[Alvito]

Do you think people who get these consoles will be able to sell them at a rate of 200% liek teh xbox360?

I think I will invest in a system, if people are willing to buy it a few more bills for what i paid for it, i'll sell it :D

[BigBadBoo]

I think I will invest in a system, if people are willing to buy it a few more bills for what i paid for it, i'll sell it :D

haha, just check this thread for those kind of people, you can easily spot them, they are the ones that defend the PS3 like its so holy no one can say any bad aobut it :twisted:

[tonychau]

C'mon this could be argue with XB360 launch. How many people have HD-TV; graphics are not great leap for any launch lineup. After a year where are the great RPGs? At price $500, you could only play games, why, because you probably have a dirt cheap DVD player at $30 at home that can play anything you pop in!


For your price comparison, xb360 core is nothing compare to the basic Ps3, at least sony includes a 20g hd, plus BR.

If you added XB-HD-DVD ($100), HD ($100) are roughly the same price with basic PS3 price.

what are most people playing on their Xb360 live is Uno!


DVD and Bluray can't be compared. When the PS2 came out, DVD was already 4 years old. Plus, DVD had an immediate effect for the buyer, without changing his equipment (as DVD is cleaner even on non-HD tvs). So, yeah, some people bought the PS2 partly because of its DVD part.

Now, Bluray is a new technology, support is sparse and there will be no immediate effect for the buyer (as they'll have to buy 1080p equipment to have a better image, and browsing Futureshop or Bestbuy I don't see a single TV that supports 1080p). So, why would anyone want a Bluray player other than to play PS3 games?

As to the price, the PS2 was 300$, the Xbox 360 core is 300$ and the PS3 is going to be 500$? You better really want to play the PS3 games to get it.

About the lineup, sure there's FFXIII and MGS4, but both won't be ready for the launch and available in 2007.

Because of all that, there will be a lot of questionmarks around the PS3's success.

[ledorky]

Please. The 360 launch line-up was not too shabby and on HDTV, you can really see the difference between the current gen and the 360. When the PS3 launches, you won't see a difference between the 360 and the PS3.

At least with the 360 core unit, you can add a 20GB HD later if you want. With the PS3 'tard pack, how the hell are you gonna add the HDMI so that you can watch your Blu-Ray movies in their full-glory?

Actually, I'd say most of the Live players are pretty split amongst the games. Uno is fun I must say :). But I'm willing the bet the 360 owners are still booting Halo and playing it on their 360's.

I bet just like the 360 launch, a ton of anticipated games will miss the PS3 launch as well. I'm hearing not so good things about PS3 development and many devs are currently sweating bullets right now working on the PS3.

As for PS3, let us know when it supports divx/xvid out of the box.

[puppetswhokill]

Please. The 360 launch line-up was not too shabby and on HDTV, you can really see the difference between the current gen and the 360. When the PS3 launches, you won't see a difference between the 360 and the PS3.

At least with the 360 core unit, you can add a 20GB HD later if you want. With the PS3 'tard pack, how the hell are you gonna add the HDMI so that you can watch your Blu-Ray movies in their full-glory?

Actually, I'd say most of the Live players are pretty split amongst the games. Uno is fun I must say :). But I'm willing the bet the 360 owners are still booting Halo and playing it on their 360's.

I bet just like the 360 launch, a ton of anticipated games will miss the PS3 launch as well. I'm hearing not so good things about PS3 development and many devs are currently sweating bullets right now working on the PS3.

As for PS3, let us know when it supports divx/xvid out of the box.

I completely agree that leaving the hdmi port out of the "tard" pack on the ps3 is a huge Sony blunder for a next gen system to not fully support next gen gaming is a complete mystery.

With that said tonychau is right on the money respectively. The 360 core pack priced at 399$ not 300$ as the poster above him states lacks the HDD which is another 130$ and if you want the HD-DVD that's another 100$+. So my final calculations that comes out to atleast 629$ + taxes. Complaining about Sony's prices is complete ******** in my opinion.

As for the dev's sweating bullets, I've only heard Carmack so far say the PS3 is harder to develop for but he's openly bias in favour of the xbox and the xbox 360 but I'll take his word for it. But as with any new technology/system there are going to be a few kinks to work out and time needed to fully optimize/maximize the performance and develoment of all games. With many ps3 games looking as good if not slightly better than many 2nd gen 360 games - that HAS to say something. There is still atleast 5 months left of development with the final dev kits to make a stunning game.

Feel free to tear me apart :D

Cheers

[jerryhussain]

As for the dev's sweating bullets, I've only heard Carmack so far say the PS3 is harder to develop for but he's openly bias in favour of the xbox and the xbox 360 but I'll take his word for it.
http://www.igniq.com/images/hl2gabe.jpg

"PS3 is a nightmare, I'm this close to sitting on it."

[tonychau]

I'm not a developer. I know one thing human beings have a weird thing in accomplished the impossible. I guess it is programmer's pride in programming the most difficult code. They feel more superior and intelligent then others who program kid code.

Look at the three companies in term of friendly programming from less friendlier to the most friendly:

Sony >> MS >> Nintendo (arguable in NDS, GBA games)

There are still alot of third parties developers sticky with Sony and support sony even the hardware is hard to program from previous generation.




http://www.igniq.com/images/hl2gabe.jpg

"PS3 is a nightmare, I'm this close to sitting on it."

[jerryhussain]

There are still alot of third parties developers sticky with Sony and support sony even the hardware is hard to program from previous generation.
Its because of a bigger installed base. Bigger installed base = more sales. Money talks.

Uber programming skills are fine but you dont run your company on geek instincts. :cheesygri

[ledorky]

I completely agree that leaving the hdmi port out of the "tard" pack on the ps3 is a huge Sony blunder for a next gen system to not fully support next gen gaming is a complete mystery.

With that said tonychau is right on the money respectively. The 360 core pack priced at 399$ not 300$ as the poster above him states lacks the HDD which is another 130$ and if you want the HD-DVD that's another 100$+. So my final calculations that comes out to atleast 629$ + taxes. Complaining about Sony's prices is complete ******** in my opinion.

As for the dev's sweating bullets, I've only heard Carmack so far say the PS3 is harder to develop for but he's openly bias in favour of the xbox and the xbox 360 but I'll take his word for it. But as with any new technology/system there are going to be a few kinks to work out and time needed to fully optimize/maximize the performance and develoment of all games. With many ps3 games looking as good if not slightly better than many 2nd gen 360 games - that HAS to say something. There is still atleast 5 months left of development with the final dev kits to make a stunning game.

Feel free to tear me apart :D

Cheers
No need. The launch games will prove it just as E3 showcased all the lies from the previous E3 :). We're free to complain about Sony's prices. I've been complaining about the high price of the PS2 forever, I'm sure they'll keep the tradition going with the PS3.
The thing is, with the 360, the kinks are getting worked out so so much faster than the PS3. PS3 development is way more expensive at the moment not just due to dev kits but due to the need for added programmers to your already gigantic next gen team.
No developer is big enough to complain about PS3 development other than Carmack. If you know any PS3 developer at the moment, you'll hear them cuss about it. Of course they won't sound out about it much since they'll get fired cos Sony won't stand for something like that. But it will all be borne out when the PS3 launches lacking many titles from that launch list ...

[Sgt_Strider]

Please. The 360 launch line-up was not too shabby and on HDTV, you can really see the difference between the current gen and the 360. When the PS3 launches, you won't see a difference between the 360 and the PS3.

We'll see if there will be any differences. IMO, the Xbox 360 launch lineup was crap. The only game that was probably worth getting was PGR3.

At least with the 360 core unit, you can add a 20GB HD later if you want. With the PS3 'tard pack, how the hell are you gonna add the HDMI so that you can watch your Blu-Ray movies in their full-glory?

You do understand the mistake Microsoft made though? Not everyone is going to buy a hard drive for the Xbox 360 and therefore game developers aren't forced to optimize their games for the hard drive. Since a hard drive is included in every PS3, there will be consistent performance across all PS3's. Besides, there's no proof that the studios will downgrade the movie's resolution if you don't have HDMI. They certainly have the ability to, but that doesn't mean they will do it.

Actually, I'd say most of the Live players are pretty split amongst the games. Uno is fun I must say :). But I'm willing the bet the 360 owners are still booting Halo and playing it on their 360's.

I bet just like the 360 launch, a ton of anticipated games will miss the PS3 launch as well. I'm hearing not so good things about PS3 development and many devs are currently sweating bullets right now working on the PS3.

As for PS3, let us know when it supports divx/xvid out of the box.

We'll see how the launch line up for the PS3 will be like. It's only May right now and there's still six months before the system launches.

[Sgt_Strider]

No need. The launch games will prove it just as E3 showcased all the lies from the previous E3 :). We're free to complain about Sony's prices. I've been complaining about the high price of the PS2 forever, I'm sure they'll keep the tradition going with the PS3.
The thing is, with the 360, the kinks are getting worked out so so much faster than the PS3. PS3 development is way more expensive at the moment not just due to dev kits but due to the need for added programmers to your already gigantic next gen team.
No developer is big enough to complain about PS3 development other than Carmack. If you know any PS3 developer at the moment, you'll hear them cuss about it. Of course they won't sound out about it much since they'll get fired cos Sony won't stand for something like that. But it will all be borne out when the PS3 launches lacking many titles from that launch list ...

So what if it's more difficult to program for the PS3? In the end, money talks and developers understand the marketing power of the Sony Playstation 3. Developers will certainly not let the cost of development to deter them from making good games for the system.

Some of you guys talk like as if you want Sony to fail :rolleyes:.

[Rammy]

Just to inform you guys, Sony isn't respecting Currencys. It's going to release the system at a similiar, but yet decided price for each country.

Canada will pay $599.99 & $699.99

Trust me on this one, I've checked.

[rdtx2002]

. I've been complaining about the high price of the PS2 forever, I'm sure they'll keep the tradition going with the PS3.


high price of Ps2?.... man.... you must be a cheap ass ;)

[Headhunter]

Just to inform you guys, Sony isn't respecting Currencys. It's going to release the system at a similiar, but yet decided price for each country.

Canada will pay $599.99 & $699.99

Trust me on this one, I've checked.
Hmm, trip to Buffalo? Hmm...

[rdtx2002]

Another thing you're backing out on, okay..

so it's my fault that xbox.com doesn't keep web pages from 2001?.. man.. you are sure a tight ass. ;)

Maybe thats suited to the 360 thread? Besides, its a known fact that hardware wise Xbox > GC, PS2.

but it's also a known fact that MS did lie about the competitions 'specs'

[jerryhussain]

so it's my fault that xbox.com doesn't keep web pages from 2001?.. man.. you are sure a tight ass. ;)
No it means that you can talk the talk, but cant walk the walk. ;) :lol:
but it's also a known fact that MS did lie about the competitions 'specs'
When did they lie? You cant back them and expect people to believe you. Also like I have said, if you want to raise these issue the 360 thread is more suited for it.

[rdtx2002]

Some of you guys talk like as if you want Sony to fail :rolleyes:.

people have been talking like that since Ps2 came out ;)

[rdtx2002]

As for the dev's sweating bullets, I've only heard Carmack so far say the PS3 is harder to develop for but he's openly bias in favour of the xbox and the xbox 360 but I'll take his word for it. But as with any new technology/system there are going to be a few kinks to work out and time needed to fully optimize/maximize the performance and develoment of all games. With many ps3 games looking as good if not slightly better than many 2nd gen 360 games - that HAS to say something. There is still atleast 5 months left of development with the final dev kits to make a stunning game.

Feel free to tear me apart :D

Cheers

first you say Carmack is a bias fanboy of the XBox and the 360.. then you say you'll glady take his word because he is a biased fanboy?..

does logic exist here?

Carmack is a joke.. he complained about the PS2.. and now the PS3.. because that fool couldn't program something like the PS2 and Ps3 if his life depended on it...

he calls himself one of the greatest.. whatever man.. this guy is a pure joke.

[BigBadBoo]

first you say Carmack is a bias fanboy of the XBox and the 360.. then you say you'll glady take his word because he is a biased fanboy?..

does logic exist here?

Carmack is a joke.. he complained about the PS2.. and now the PS3.. because that fool couldn't program something like the PS2 and Ps3 if his life depended on it...

he calls himself one of the greatest.. whatever man.. this guy is a pure joke.

Errr ok. What a load of BS. No Carmack isnt a genius, but the guy sure knows his ****. He has been at the forefront of game programming for a more than a decade, and he is certainly someone of power in the games industry. Its not he who thinks he is the greatest, but the rest of the industry sure respects him. Besides, I read what he said, and it looked like he wasn't siding with either console. All he said was that multi-core programming is tough as **** (which Tim Sweeny, lol bet you dont know who that is either, also said on the last GDC, I believe).

And with that, you loose all credibility to talk about anything to do with game development. The friggin PS2 is hard as **** to code for. With the PS3, its even harder. Multiple core programming: Its a double edge sword. Ya its fast as hell, but if you arent careful you can have your engine stalling for resources and wasting CPU cycles. (imagine having 6 workers, all trying to work on the same set of resources, now imagine each worker having to wait on others for some work: ie. physics waiting for AI waiting for input waiting for network) It requires knowing the hardware inside out, meaning you need to spend time learning to use it properly, meaning you wont be able to take real advantage of it until after your first project. Yes the 360 has multi-cores as well, but its a different design, and I believe more in alignment with an actual PC multicore.

So please, stop talking like you know anything about game development. PS3 is a beast, but developers need to tame it first, and that requires time.

Here learn something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3Fh_ockT0&search=PS3%20Carmack

[jerryhussain]

Errr ok. What a load of BS. No Carmack isnt a genius, but the guy sure knows his ****. He has been at the forefront of game programming for a more than a decade, and he is certainly someone of power in the games industry. Its not he who thinks he is the greatest, but the rest of the industry sure respects him. Besides, I read what he said, and it looked like he wasn't siding with either console. All he said was that multi-core programming is tough as **** (which Tim Sweeny, lol bet you dont know who that is either, also said on the last GDC, I believe).

And with that, you loose all credibility to talk about anything to do with game development. The friggin PS2 is hard as **** to code for. With the PS3, its even harder. Multiple core programming: Its a double edge sword. Ya its fast as hell, but if you arent careful you can have your engine stalling for resources and wasting CPU cycles. (imagine having 6 workers, all trying to work on the same set of resources, now imagine each worker having to wait on others for some work: ie. physics waiting for AI waiting for input waiting for network) It requires knowing the hardware inside out, meaning you need to spend time learning to use it properly, meaning you wont be able to take real advantage of it until after your first project. Yes the 360 has multi-cores as well, but its a different design, and I believe more in alignment with an actual PC multicore.

So please, stop talking like you know anything about game development. PS3 is a beast, but developers need to tame it first, and that requires time.
Carmack haters are everywhere, reasons ranging from being jealous of his ferrari to the console he's developing for. Its hilarious to watch these people. :cheesygri

I like Carmack for games like Doom, Doom II. I grew up playing them. :)

[puppetswhokill]

first you say Carmack is a bias fanboy of the XBox and the 360.. then you say you'll glady take his word because he is a biased fanboy?..

does logic exist here?

Carmack is a joke.. he complained about the PS2.. and now the PS3.. because that fool couldn't program something like the PS2 and Ps3 if his life depended on it...

he calls himself one of the greatest.. whatever man.. this guy is a pure joke.

My only point was that Ive seen Carmack talk up the xbox in past interview (recently on G4 Tech tv) in terms of developing Doom3 to work well with the Xbox with no mention of the ps2 whatsoever. And another interview I seen maybe on gamespot describing the difficulties of working with the PS3. Thus because he seems to favour the xbox (ie. a form of bias) yet he is also a very talented developer I will take his word for it. There's no need to be so critical yeesh :D

[puppetswhokill]

http://www.igniq.com/images/hl2gabe.jpg

"PS3 is a nightmare, I'm this close to sitting on it."

Jerry please....

"In a brand new magazine interview, Valve chief Gabe Newell has voiced his dissatisfaction with Microsoft, claiming to be under whelmed by both the new version of the Windows operating system for PCs, and the forthcoming Xbox 360 console. The console is due out this November, but will not include a hard-disk drive as standard, a design decision which seems to have got the Valve supremo rather hot under the collar.

"Look, I spoke to some people at Microsoft, and as I said, I can't point to a single feature in Vista that I care about that solves problems for us at all," Newell told CGW. "And I had the same conversation with the Xbox 360 guys. It's like, Xbox 360 doesn't make my life any better, and in fact, it makes it a lot worse, as you're telling me I can't count on having a hard drive."

http://www.ferrago.com/story/6427

[jerryhussain]

Jerry please....
What you posted is just one side of the story:

Gabe Newell Not Pleased With Either 360 or PS3 (http://www.xgpgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16567)

Gabe is not pleased with multi-core programming so he's tough on both 360 & PS3. But he says PS3 is worse-off. (And I never said he likes coding for 360, did I? :rolleyes: , and obviously you missed my "Gabe joke" as well )

In this (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5067) video he's calling PS3 the next sega saturn.

So, Puppet please ... :lol:

[puppetswhokill]

What you posted is just one side of the story:

Gabe Newell Not Pleased With Either 360 or PS3 (http://www.xgpgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16567)

Gabe is not pleased with multi-core programming so he's tough on both 360 & PS3. But he says PS3 is worse-off. (And I never said he likes coding for 360, did I? :rolleyes: )

In this (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5067) video he's calling PS3 the next sega saturn.

So, Puppet please ... :lol:

Um and your little picture with your oh so funny quote wasn't one sided? lol I did post the link to the article :D And just to clarify I plan on buying both a 360 and a ps3 - I apoligize for my comments on the other thread for bashing the xbox360 like a total fanboy I was just excited to see what sony had to offer. :D

[jerryhussain]

Um and your little picture with your oh so funny quote wasn't one sided? lol I did post the link to the article :D
We're talking PS3, I posted relevant information. :|

[puppetswhokill]

We're talking PS3, I posted relevant information. :|

I'll give ya that one - it just frustrates me to see the rabid hatred of Sony in the media like they are some evil empire lol. While people forget that Microsoft is just as bad if not worse. Just like Sony is trying to force blu-ray technology - Microsoft is trying force feed Vista to everyone to use new apps and play upcoming Vista only software :|

[jerryhussain]

I'll give ya that one - it just frustrates me to see the rabid hatred of Sony in the media like they are some evil empire lol. While people forget that Microsoft is just as bad if not worse. Just like Sony is trying to force blu-ray technology - Microsoft is trying force feed Vista to everyone to use new apps and play upcoming Vista only software :|
Nobody's clean, if some one thinks then they're either being naive or just plain ignorant.

[BigBadBoo]

I'll give ya that one - it just frustrates me to see the rabid hatred of Sony in the media like they are some evil empire lol. While people forget that Microsoft is just as bad if not worse. Just like Sony is trying to force blu-ray technology - Microsoft is trying force feed Vista to everyone to use new apps and play upcoming Vista only software :|

I dont think there is any other company in the world that has been rediculed and hated more than MS. But to developers, MS is very supportive.

[Nacster]

Link: http://www.ps3today.com/Blogs/News/hqs/blr_4453.aspx

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[poppa]

trailer downloads for Heavy Rain:
http://www.quanticdream.com/pages/frameset_index.php?lg=us

Personally, those graphics (based on the trailer) were good but nothing that evokes that "NEXT GEN" feeling (NBA2k7, Fight Night). One, the lip syncing was terrible, the facial animation (horse teeth?) was horrible, and the graphics...let's just say there's a reason why she's standing at a distance - low res textures.

[hatsee]

It's fitting their slogan is 'welcome change'...because i'm going to welcome the change that all the sony fanboys will be buying 360's. Soooo sick of little kids telling me the PS2 is "so much better then the xbox" and that i'm just and idiot for saying that the xbox is a better system. ARggh. lol


Games make a system great.

It seems like Sony is going to keep the MGS, FF, and Gran Turismo franchises on their side for the time being and that alone will probably sell more PS3's then M$ has sold in 360's combined.

Buy a 360 only if it has the games you want, otherwise you will be quite dissappointed. ;)

[ledorky]

Games make a system great.

It seems like Sony is going to keep the MGS, FF, and Gran Turismo franchises on their side for the time being and that alone will probably sell more PS3's then M$ has sold in 360's combined.

Buy a 360 only if it has the games you want, otherwise you will be quite dissappointed. ;)
Same with the PS3. Movies don't sell systems anymore and that's pretty much all we've seen of MGS and FF. And if Nintendo gets most/all the quirky Japanese titles, well, the PS3 will be all the poorer for it.

Ah well, even if it fails, at least you'll have a Blu-Ray player for it provided the format succeeds.

[kud0s69]

Link: http://www.ps3today.com/Blogs/News/hqs/blr_4453.aspx




I just downloaded that trailer thing for Heavy Rain. Ouch that was horrible. Not even cool graphics could save that piece of garbage. Not to sound offensive, but was that actress deaf? Would actually be a lot cooler if she was. I doubt she is, so it's just another horrid case of video game acting.

[jb22]

Ah well, even if it fails, at least you'll have a Blu-Ray player for it provided the format succeeds.

You know for all the people actually considering using the PS3 as a blue-ray player, you are all aware that this will be a first gen player. So the PS3 could potentially combine all the bugs of a first gen console along with all the bugs that come along with a first gen media player. All this for $700! I'm not saying the PS3 won't be a good system, but for that price tag I'd be able to sitback and wait a couple of months for the bugs to get worked out.

Although if the PS3 actually makes it out in November I would be very surprised.

[ledorky]

You know for all the people actually considering using the PS3 as a blue-ray player, you are all aware that this will be a first gen player. So the PS3 could potentially combine all the bugs of a first gen console along with all the bugs that come along with a first gen media player. All this for $700! I'm not saying the PS3 won't be a good system, but for that price tag I'd be able to sitback and wait a couple of months for the bugs to get worked out.

Although if the PS3 actually makes it out in November I would be very surprised.
Wow that heavy rain trailer looks quite good. Still, let's see some gameplay shots first. Been burned too many times by Sony's lies.

[Evil Baby]

Wow that heavy rain trailer looks quite good. Still, let's see some gameplay shots first. Been burned too many times by Sony's lies.


What Sony lie? No never, you my friend are the DEVIL!!!!

[chimaera15]

If the PS3 is in fact released on Nov 17th will it be the same scenario as with the Xbox 360 where if I want one I either have the choice of sleeping outside the Future Shop or pay three times the MSRP? Does anyone know of any stores where I could pre-order it?

[Marlek]

If the PS3 is in fact released on Nov 17th will it be the same scenario as with the Xbox 360 where if I want one I either have the choice of sleeping outside the Future Shop or pay three times the MSRP? Does anyone know of any stores where I could pre-order it?

Toys R Us is taking pre-orders. Ordered from them for the 360 launch. Walked in at 3pm on launch day... no line. Paid and left in less than 2 minutes.

[jerryhussain]

RESISTANCE: FALL OF MAN

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[Nacster]

Link: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/710/710266p1.html


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[tmpz]

^ kinda looks like Far Cry

[Super strokey]

^ kinda looks like Far Cry


sure does, and thats a very very good thing too bad control on it will suck (compared to pc)

[sfu_lifer]

How 'bout some PS3 love:
http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/3471/1069_0010.jpg
http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/3471/1069_0012.jpg

Also, if this statement is not self-defeating, I don't know what is:
Marketshare not that important, exec says (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/sony-market-share-is-not-that-important-178172.php)

[Moot]

How 'bout some PS2 love:

Fixed it for you. ;)

[sfu_lifer]

Fixed it for you. ;)
C'mon, you can clearly see that's a PS3 shot :lol:

[mark_in_2k]

Well, those shots don't look nex-gen, mainly cos of the crappy textures, especially those of the building. But we already know that this is basically GT4 done in high-def, so that's to be expected.

[Tanith]

Carrot 1.5 :lol:

[sleepyguy]

I'm not sure how true this is but from a technical standpoint ps3...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171

[sonick]

Well, those shots don't look nex-gen, mainly cos of the crappy textures, especially those of the building. But we already know that this is basically GT4 done in high-def, so that's to be expected.Isn't GT4 already in high-def on the PS2?

[Longobongo]

Toys R Us is taking pre-orders. Ordered from them for the 360 launch. Walked in at 3pm on launch day... no line. Paid and left in less than 2 minutes.

Didn't you have to buy a bundle in order to pre-order? I went to my local Toys R Us and they were only taking preorders for the Nintendo Wii but you had to buy it as a bundle at launch. I never had to do the lineup launch thing before since the last console I bought was a N64 (the walmart I went to had a ton of em when it was released).

Considering the price point $649 for a console is really expensive. I think I may hold back from buying one until a good game comes out it from the franchises I love (MGS, FF, etc). I'm really leaning towards a Wii due to its price and quirky games.

[Sgt_Strider]

Isn't GT4 already in high-def on the PS2?

Not quite. It runs at like 640x1080i.

[Kurtz7834]

Wow, those GT4 remake pics look absolutely horrible. $700+ of new hardware to play... that?

[sfu_lifer]

I'm not sure how true this is but from a technical standpoint ps3...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171
There are some truths to that from what I'm hearing from the devs I know. No developer is willing to post, even anonymously, about how much the PS3 sucks for fear of being fired.
Despite all the belly-aching about the Cell's limited access to the local memory, a bigger pipe/priority would definitely be ideal. The Cell actually has to DO rendering tasks since the RSX and it's limited/dedicated pipes are limiting vs the 360's unified shader model just to try and keep up with the 360's graphics. I don't know enough of the hardware to argue here but I'm just hearing this second-hand from devs working and pulling their hair out from PS3 development :(

[jerryhussain]

sfu, just watch the damage control going on its quite funny. ;)

PS3 will turn out good but nothing like the monster they promised last year.

[Longobongo]

yea, some of the quotes made my sony execs in recent times about the PS3 are getting ridiculous. Especially the one where Phil Harrison says they didn't steal controller motion idea from Nintendo, although they slyly gave devs only 10 days to add it before it was demoed at E3. Was Nintendo the motivation to add such a feature? It probably was. Now I understand why Nintendo doesn't reveal much information to the the public otherwise the competitors steal it.

[ledorky]

yea, some of the quotes made my sony execs in recent times about the PS3 are getting ridiculous. Especially the one where Phil Harrison says they didn't steal controller motion idea from Nintendo, although they slyly gave devs only 10 days to add it before it was demoed at E3. Was Nintendo the motivation to add such a feature? It probably was. Now I understand why Nintendo doesn't reveal much information to the the public otherwise the competitors steal it.
Nintendo's fully aware great ideas are copied. Sure Sony has likely been working on adding the tilt functionality prior to the E3 but I'm almost sure they had no plans on putting it as a standard feature until they saw all the good press that Nintendo's Wii-mote got. For a so-called 2 year idea in the making feature, you just don't drop it in front of a dev 10 days prior to a major event.
Sony's been in damage control mode since they announced the delay from Spring '06 to this fall.

[Sgt_Strider]

Any updates on when retailers will take pre-orders for the PS3?

[ledorky]

It seems only Toys R Us is eager to do pre-orders.
My EB is still non-committal about when they will take pre-orders.

[Longobongo]

Nintendo's fully aware great ideas are copied. Sure Sony has likely been working on adding the tilt functionality prior to the E3 but I'm almost sure they had no plans on putting it as a standard feature until they saw all the good press that Nintendo's Wii-mote got. For a so-called 2 year idea in the making feature, you just don't drop it in front of a dev 10 days prior to a major event.
Sony's been in damage control mode since they announced the delay from Spring '06 to this fall.

It was obvious that there was no chance they would get it out in the Spring, due to the blu-ray device, but sacrificing the rumble feature which has been standard for such a long time as well used in place for a tilt function which will probably be used by few games at most, boggles the mind. I was also dissippointed that the boomerang design was changed back to basically to the regular design. I thought it looked pretty good and hoped they would just tweak it, but due to internet outcry, they just ditched it.

And the two tier pricing system is ridiculous. What PS fan will want to get the less expensive one which is missing several key features (HDMI, wifi, etc)

[tonychau]

removing the rumble from the controller is just stupid from Sony with their lame excuse "can't fit in the controller with the tilt." You only have 6-degree motion sensor to fit into the controller

C'mon Nintendo could fit rumble, 3D motion sensor, mic, speaker, wireless, battery, GPS into a stick of butter.


Nintendo's fully aware great ideas are copied. Sure Sony has likely been working on adding the tilt functionality prior to the E3 but I'm almost sure they had no plans on putting it as a standard feature until they saw all the good press that Nintendo's Wii-mote got. For a so-called 2 year idea in the making feature, you just don't drop it in front of a dev 10 days prior to a major event.
Sony's been in damage control mode since they announced the delay from Spring '06 to this fall.

[jiffylube1024]

I'm not sure how true this is but from a technical standpoint ps3...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171

Interesting read, but there is so much spin that it's almost impossible to separate fact from fiction.

Some notes on hardware:

The Playstation 3 has 256MB of system memory, and 256MB of memory for the GPU (called RSX in the Playstation 3). It is all ultra-fast XDR DRAM. The Xbox360 has a unified 512MB of the exact-same XDR DRAM, and the Xbox360 can dynamically allocate the memory as system or video memory as the developer wants; theoretically improving performance, but much like the playstation 2 (which had a cripplingly small 8MB of video memory), developers should be able to find a way around it.

The Xbox360 has 1MB of CPU cache split between the three CPU's, and it apparently only works at less than 1/2 of the CPU speed: 1.4 GHz. Hardly an optimal setup. But apparently the PS3's cache memory is much much MUCH worse!

What this "local memory" actually is is the 128KB of RAM per SPE (yes kilobytes, 1/8 of a MB). Remember, the Playstation 3 has one main CPU running at 3.2 GHz (VERY similar in architecture to the three CPU's in Xbox360), and 7 "slave" CPU's - the SPE's . Apparently the SPE's have absolutely terrible onboard memory performance. It appears that there is a very VERY narrow bus between each SPE and the main CPU, which would account for the bad read speed; however the RSX can write to the SPE's memory just fine.

What this all means is that developers won't be able to rely on each SPE's puny cache memory for much, which isn't really that much of a blow considering how little cache memory each CPU actually has (1/8 of a MB only). The Xbox360 once again has a smarter system with a shared 1MB of cache - not really enough for 3 CPU's, but better than what has happened in Sony's architecture.

It goes to show that huge caches don't make quite as much of a difference on consoles as they do on PC's - mainly because the consoles have much faster system memory - XDR DRAM has about 4X the bandwidth of dual channel DDR and over twice the bandwidth of DDR2.
-------

What this all means is that it looks like developers will have a ***** of a time coding for the PS3, just like the PS2 (maybe even worse!).

But just like with the PS2, it looks like the usual Japanese developers - Konami, Square, Capcom, etc. - are already picking up the torch and figuring out the PS3 hardware.

In the end, the PS3 should still end up faster than the Xbox360 (though IMO the Xbox360 has a smarter GPU design - Sony's "RSX" is basically just Nvidia's G70/7900 GTX card). It just has horrible caching on the CPU's.

[bisk]

What this "local memory" actually is is the 128KB of RAM per SPE (yes kilobytes, 1/8 of a MB). Remember, the Playstation 3 has one main CPU running at 3.2 GHz (VERY similar in architecture to the three CPU's in Xbox360), and 7 "slave" CPU's - the SPE's . Apparently the SPE's have absolutely terrible onboard memory performance. It appears that there is a very VERY narrow bus between each SPE and the main CPU, which would account for the bad read speed; however the RSX can write to the SPE's memory just fine.

Just wanted to point something out
KB = kilobytes (1/100 of a megabyte)
Kb = kilobits (1/8 of a kilobite)

You have to be carefull whether or not you capitalise the "b", because it means something different.

[kcjchan]

Interesting read, but there is so much spin that it's almost impossible to separate fact from fiction.

Some notes on hardware:

The Playstation 3 has 256MB of system memory, and 256MB of memory for the GPU (called RSX in the Playstation 3). It is all ultra-fast XDR DRAM. The Xbox360 has a unified 512MB of the exact-same XDR DRAM, and the Xbox360 can dynamically allocate the memory as system or video memory as the developer wants; theoretically improving performance, but much like the playstation 2 (which had a cripplingly small 8MB of video memory), developers should be able to find a way around it.

The Xbox360 has 1MB of CPU cache split between the three CPU's, and it apparently only works at less than 1/2 of the CPU speed: 1.4 GHz. Hardly an optimal setup. But apparently the PS3's cache memory is much much MUCH worse!

What this "local memory" actually is is the 128KB of RAM per SPE (yes kilobytes, 1/8 of a MB). Remember, the Playstation 3 has one main CPU running at 3.2 GHz (VERY similar in architecture to the three CPU's in Xbox360), and 7 "slave" CPU's - the SPE's . Apparently the SPE's have absolutely terrible onboard memory performance. It appears that there is a very VERY narrow bus between each SPE and the main CPU, which would account for the bad read speed; however the RSX can write to the SPE's memory just fine.

What this all means is that developers won't be able to rely on each SPE's puny cache memory for much, which isn't really that much of a blow considering how little cache memory each CPU actually has (1/8 of a MB only). The Xbox360 once again has a smarter system with a shared 1MB of cache - not really enough for 3 CPU's, but better than what has happened in Sony's architecture.

It goes to show that huge caches don't make quite as much of a difference on consoles as they do on PC's - mainly because the consoles have much faster system memory - XDR DRAM has about 4X the bandwidth of dual channel DDR and over twice the bandwidth of DDR2.
-------

What this all means is that it looks like developers will have a ***** of a time coding for the PS3, just like the PS2 (maybe even worse!).

But just like with the PS2, it looks like the usual Japanese developers - Konami, Square, Capcom, etc. - are already picking up the torch and figuring out the PS3 hardware.

In the end, the PS3 should still end up faster than the Xbox360 (though IMO the Xbox360 has a smarter GPU design - Sony's "RSX" is basically just Nvidia's G70/7900 GTX card). It just has horrible caching on the CPU's.

So in your opinion, how do you think the PS3 would hold up against it's competitors for games that are launched across multiple platforms?

[sleepyguy]

Personally i think it will be the same case as the ps2... absolutely garbage titles at the start until developer start to understand the system more and unlock it's potential.

So in your opinion, how do you think the PS3 would hold up against it's competitors for games that are launched across multiple platforms?

[Sgt_Strider]

removing the rumble from the controller is just stupid from Sony with their lame excuse "can't fit in the controller with the tilt." You only have 6-degree motion sensor to fit into the controller

C'mon Nintendo could fit rumble, 3D motion sensor, mic, speaker, wireless, battery, GPS into a stick of butter.

The official reason isn't that it won't fit the controller, but due to interference with the motion sensor. Although probably the "real" reason is that Sony lost a case in the courts involving a company and for legal reasons, Sony decided to drop the rumble feature. Personally I don't really care that much because I wasn't the biggest rumble fan in the world.

[Sgt_Strider]

It was obvious that there was no chance they would get it out in the Spring, due to the blu-ray device, but sacrificing the rumble feature which has been standard for such a long time as well used in place for a tilt function which will probably be used by few games at most, boggles the mind. I was also dissippointed that the boomerang design was changed back to basically to the regular design. I thought it looked pretty good and hoped they would just tweak it, but due to internet outcry, they just ditched it.

And the two tier pricing system is ridiculous. What PS fan will want to get the less expensive one which is missing several key features (HDMI, wifi, etc)

It's just like the xbox 360. There will be people that can't cough up the extra $100. The second tier system will sell, but I don't know how many people will actually buy it. Obviously the smart people will buy the first tier system.

[bmaz]

The official reason isn't that it won't fit the controller, but due to interference with the motion sensor. Although probably the "real" reason is that Sony lost a case in the courts involving a company and for legal reasons, Sony decided to drop the rumble feature. Personally I don't really care that much because I wasn't the biggest rumble fan in the world.
I didn't think rumble was a big deal until Sony said they would dropped it.
With games like NFS:Most Wanted, Fighting games like DOA4, you need to feel the rumble.
I need to know that my right rear wheel is punctured, or if I am actually blocking a move or getting hit.

The fact that MS and Nintendo still has rumble makes the lawsuit point invalid in my eyes.
I would have much preferred the Boomerang with rumble, sure it looked odd but it might have been the most comfy controller that never was.

[sfu_lifer]

I didn't think rumble was a big deal until Sony said they would dropped it.
With games like NFS:Most Wanted, Fighting games like DOA4, you need to feel the rumble.
I need to know that my right rear wheel is punctured, or if I am actually blocking a move or getting hit.

The fact that MS and Nintendo still has rumble makes the lawsuit point invalid in my eyes.
I would have much preferred the Boomerang with rumble, sure it looked odd but it might have been the most comfy controller that never was.
That's not the case. Microsoft bought part of the patent holder (Immersion) and Nintendo's rumble implementation is totally different from Sony's (which infringes on the Immersion patent). So it looks like this is very lawsuit related. Without the rumble mechanism in place, everyone who's held the new dual "shock" has said it felt very light and cheap.

[Sgt_Strider]

I didn't think rumble was a big deal until Sony said they would dropped it.
With games like NFS:Most Wanted, Fighting games like DOA4, you need to feel the rumble.
I need to know that my right rear wheel is punctured, or if I am actually blocking a move or getting hit.

The fact that MS and Nintendo still has rumble makes the lawsuit point invalid in my eyes.
I would have much preferred the Boomerang with rumble, sure it looked odd but it might have been the most comfy controller that never was.

There is a difference. Microsoft settled while Sony continued to fight on and lost. Now the court is deciding on the damages that Sony owes to Immersion.

[x86asm]

Interesting read, but there is so much spin that it's almost impossible to separate fact from fiction.

Some notes on hardware:

The Playstation 3 has 256MB of system memory, and 256MB of memory for the GPU (called RSX in the Playstation 3). It is all ultra-fast XDR DRAM. The Xbox360 has a unified 512MB of the exact-same XDR DRAM, and the Xbox360 can dynamically allocate the memory as system or video memory as the developer wants; theoretically improving performance, but much like the playstation 2 (which had a cripplingly small 8MB of video memory), developers should be able to find a way around it.

The Xbox360 has 1MB of CPU cache split between the three CPU's, and it apparently only works at less than 1/2 of the CPU speed: 1.4 GHz. Hardly an optimal setup. But apparently the PS3's cache memory is much much MUCH worse!

What this "local memory" actually is is the 128KB of RAM per SPE (yes kilobytes, 1/8 of a MB). Remember, the Playstation 3 has one main CPU running at 3.2 GHz (VERY similar in architecture to the three CPU's in Xbox360), and 7 "slave" CPU's - the SPE's . Apparently the SPE's have absolutely terrible onboard memory performance. It appears that there is a very VERY narrow bus between each SPE and the main CPU, which would account for the bad read speed; however the RSX can write to the SPE's memory just fine.

What this all means is that developers won't be able to rely on each SPE's puny cache memory for much, which isn't really that much of a blow considering how little cache memory each CPU actually has (1/8 of a MB only). The Xbox360 once again has a smarter system with a shared 1MB of cache - not really enough for 3 CPU's, but better than what has happened in Sony's architecture.

It goes to show that huge caches don't make quite as much of a difference on consoles as they do on PC's - mainly because the consoles have much faster system memory - XDR DRAM has about 4X the bandwidth of dual channel DDR and over twice the bandwidth of DDR2.
-------

What this all means is that it looks like developers will have a ***** of a time coding for the PS3, just like the PS2 (maybe even worse!).

But just like with the PS2, it looks like the usual Japanese developers - Konami, Square, Capcom, etc. - are already picking up the torch and figuring out the PS3 hardware.

In the end, the PS3 should still end up faster than the Xbox360 (though IMO the Xbox360 has a smarter GPU design - Sony's "RSX" is basically just Nvidia's G70/7900 GTX card). It just has horrible caching on the CPU's.


Nice job, but I remember reading the IBM datasheets for the CPU in the PS3 and found that the SPE's had very good read speeds. Besides the SPE's were designed mainly for vector calculations (physics, graphics, audio virtualization, etc.). They are not really good for anything else. Therefore the optimal setup would be the main PowerPC CPU (which is what the X360 is using but I believe a different version, man IBM is raking in the dough) using the SPE's for the heavy calculations and the PowerPC taking care of the logic and the like. If the SPE's are used in that manner, 128KB will be plenty of space. The PS2 had vector units that only had 16KB and 48KB and look what they were able to do with the later games.

The N64 as well had dedicated coprocessors with seemingly small amounts of memory at the time, but again developers exploited the crap out of that. I'm just saying that you can't really use PC benchmarks to determine what a small amount of memory is because these machines are different architecturally.

Also I don't think the PS3 will be more difficult to program than the XBox360. The SPE's have their dedicated memory space in which they can sort of work in their "own little world", asynchronously to the main PowerPC core so you don't have the trouble of synchronizing extra full blown CPU's. In this case the PowerPC can consult the SPE's whenever it feels necessary without taking any special precautions other than notifying the respective SPE's firmware.

The XBox360 will need some co-ordination between the 3 PowerPC's on the developers part which can introduce potential headaches.

In any respect, the game developers likely won't have to deal with these details as the engineers at Sony or Microsoft will have already written the code to handle this in their respective SDK's.

[ledorky]

Nice job, but I remember reading the IBM

The XBox360 will need some co-ordination between the 3 PowerPC's on the developers part which can introduce potential headaches.

In any respect, the game developers likely won't have to deal with these details as the engineers at Sony or Microsoft will have already written the code to handle this in their respective SDK's.
That's what you'd hope but unfortunately that is not the case. MS's kit is far above and beyond what Sony has provided thus far for the PS3. Ask any dev out there who've touched both (and there aren't that many yet) and the 360 is just heavenly compared to the PS3. Not that there aren't any difficulties with the 360's multi-core and overall architecture but it is much better designed compared to the PS3 plus much better tools. Sony did very well with the PS1 but progressively got worse in terms of providing adequate tools and technology to their devs and 3rd parties.

[jerryhussain]

Also I don't think the PS3 will be more difficult to program than the XBox360. The SPE's have their dedicated memory space in which they can sort of work in their "own little world", asynchronously to the main PowerPC core so you don't have the trouble of synchronizing extra full blown CPU's. In this case the PowerPC can consult the SPE's whenever it feels necessary without taking any special precautions other than notifying the respective SPE's firmware.

The XBox360 will need some co-ordination between the 3 PowerPC's on the developers part which can introduce potential headaches.
I think you have it the other way around. :lol:

XeCPU is basically three identical PPC cores, so all you need is to multi-thread your code into 6 threads, 2 per core and the XeCPU will execute it without the developer worrying about any idle times. The unified approach of Xenos in the 360 also means the programmer doesnt have to separate the code for vertex and pixel processing. And thats just the architecture side of things, Microsoft is miles ahead when it comes to SDKs for developing on their platforms.

[sleepyguy]

more news... not sure if true,

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ken-kutaragi/kutaragi-announces-plans-to-confuse-ps3-gamers-even-more-179042.php

if this is true then damn is sony pointing a gun to their head... the whole point of consoles is standard hardware configurations... I guess they are going with the momentum of how successful Sega 32x was ;) Well, if these are true anyway...

I guess we'll see come november.

[ShadowVlican]

that can't be true :|

[x86asm]

I think you have it the other way around. :lol:

XeCPU is basically three identical PPC cores, so all you need is to multi-thread your code into 6 threads, 2 per core and the XeCPU will execute it without the developer worrying about any idle times. The unified approach of Xenos in the 360 also means the programmer doesnt have to separate the code for vertex and pixel processing. And thats just the architecture side of things, Microsoft is miles ahead when it comes to SDKs for developing on their platforms.

ahh I see, I will have to read the documentation on the XeCPU. I was unaware of the fact that Sony SDK's are not too great compared to Microsoft. But I guess this isn't a surprise since Microsoft has been making SDK's for ages haha.

[Fantaz]

SEGA's Golden Axe

http://www.8bitninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/tyris2.PNG

http://www.8bitninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/tyris1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVnX6bmEheo

[sleepyguy]

Is that robecca romaine (sp?) from x-men?

[poppa]

Is that robecca romaine (sp?) from x-men?

For some reason it reminds me of Nicole Richie :(

[bmaz]

"Xbox 360 outsold by Playstation 2 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32366)", The Inq.

So I guess Sony is in no Rush, to sort it's ish out.

[ledorky]

Amazingly, the $20 pricedrop was good enough to cause the surge.
I still think the PS2 is overpriced for what you're getting.

[joshmxpx]

"Xbox 360 outsold by Playstation 2 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32366)", The Inq.

So I guess Sony is in no Rush, to sort it's ish out.

I bought one too, a lot of people are buying them because they're so cheap, like $130. Not to mention the original ps2 had a limited lifespan, so a lot of those sold could be replacements, or second consoles for xbox owner, as it is for me.

I don't think you can compare two consoles from different generations, especially when one only costs a quarter of the other.

[jerryhussain]

"More Problems for the PS3 (http://theinquirer.net/?article=32343)", The Inq

External PSU, CELL clocks reduced, RSX performance half of Xenos .. :!:

[joshmxpx]

"More Problems for the PS3 (http://theinquirer.net/?article=32343)", The Inq

External PSU, CELL clocks reduced, RSX performance half of Xenos .. :!:

Yet another well written article by the folks at the inquirer.

hopefully his source knows what hes talking about, that would be interesting if confirmed true

[ledorky]

From my sources, it's not all true.
The only confirmed part in there is that the RSX IS much weaker than the 360 GPU. But over time (probably by year 2 or 3) that will kind of be minimised by the Cell itself doing some of the rendering.
The part about beta kits is true though. They're kind of a myth at the moment (for 3rd parties at least). Sigh. Another Sony lie at E3 :(.

[Sgt_Strider]

I bought one too, a lot of people are buying them because they're so cheap, like $130. Not to mention the original ps2 had a limited lifespan, so a lot of those sold could be replacements, or second consoles for xbox owner, as it is for me.

I don't think you can compare two consoles from different generations, especially when one only costs a quarter of the other.

The original PS2 was on the market for like 4 years before the slim one came out.

[MrKat]

I just bought a 360 today but didnt open it yet. Should i refund it now lol.

Honestly spending $450 on a 360 was pushing it, i dont think i can justify spending $850+ for a PS3.

[ledorky]

I just bought a 360 today but didnt open it yet. Should i refund it now lol.

Honestly spending $450 on a 360 was pushing it, i dont think i can justify spending $850+ for a PS3.
No but please go ahead and do the dvd firmware drive upgrade on the 360 ;).

[MrKat]

No but please go ahead and do the dvd firmware drive upgrade on the 360 ;).

How and what does it do?

[sfu_lifer]

How and what does it do?
Don't you know? It allows you to play 360 and Xbox 1 backups on live (dual-layer firmware). How = xboxhacker or xbox-scene

[MrKat]

Don't you know? It allows you to play 360 and Xbox 1 backups on live (dual-layer firmware). How = xboxhacker or xbox-scene

:lol: Dude the last time i played a game was 8yrs ago. Im new to the scene. I dont even have Live, since im not all that into online gaming.

[joshmxpx]

for anyone who missed the awesome ps3 press conference at e3, there is a good video that grabs all the key points that were made

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/317109

click on "watch this movie"

pretty good....

[ledorky]

Bwahaha, these Sony execs really need to shut up. They're just exposing how clueless they are:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152133.html

yeah and I guess Sony copied Sega since the Saturn came out with Virtua Fighter first :lol: .

[Moot]

Sony not copying Nintendo? Bull.

"The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC."

:lol: WOW, that comment broke the bullshatometer.

You know, with all this bullshat coming out of Sony's mouths, I should take donations and grab a PS3 at launch and smash it in front of all the fanboys like those other kids did with the 360. Sony would actually deserve it.

[radeonboy]

Why did Sony screw this up or what? I am having 2nd thoughts about getting a Ps3. I need to wait and see what else they will end up cutting/decreasing. Sony doesnt live up their words.

[Kurtz7834]

Sony execs are just sounding desperate and ridiculous. Remember that Iraqi Information Minister during the last few days of the 2003 war?

As for the PS2 temporarily outselling the 360, this shouldn't surprise anyone. Most people are casual gamers and the PS2 is 1/4 of the cost. The PS2 will remain the best system for RPGs for years to come. But the PS2 does not have much of a future, and the hardware has been maxed out and is showing its age.

The 360 has a bright future, but its popularity will not skyrocket until a year or two, when they drop the price around 30%, like they did with the XBox1 in 2002. I really think the 360 will end up far more popular than the Xbox1.

Sony's arrogance is going to lead to a huge loss in market share. Not everything Sony touches turns to gold, the PSP proved that, the product has not exactly been a smashing success and likely never will be.

I was previously a 'maybe in 2007/2008' PS3 buyer, but I think I may well just skip the PS3 altogether. It's horrendously overpriced, looks very underwhelming and the 360 will have lots of great games. Hopefully the Wii comes out with a better showing than the Gamecube too.

[McLaren]

I thought this was pretty funny.

Sony's embarassing news conference:
http://www.gameklip.com/v/719/

[TheFuteballer]

I'm pretty sure this has been posted but I didn't want to go through 87 pages of posts so SORRY IF THIS IS A REPOST!


Play.com has placed the very first pre-orders of the PS3 with a bundle, 3 games, 60 GB HDD for.... $1,100 CND :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Who in the right mind would buy that?

They say the basic edition (no games or harddrive) will still be about $900 CND

http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/HP/3-/1032615/Sony_Playstation_3_PS3_Console_With_60GB_HDD_3_Gam es/Product.html


I think the thread title will have to change :)

[Carpe Diem]

A lot of people pay more than that for a computer that's not as powerfull just to play games and surf the internet.

[bmaz]

"Immersion announces vibration chip for next-gen game controllers (http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/19/immersion_touchsense/)" Toms Hardware.

So I guess Sony leaving out vibration from their controller had a bit to do with not only the lawsuit, but the tilting feature, like they claimed.

[joshmxpx]

Motion sensitive controllers promise to become one of the most apparent reasons to buy a Nintendo Wii or Playstation 3 game console

really? maybe for the wii, but it seems really tacked on on the ps3. i don't think its platform titles like ff will use the motion sensing at all.

[Thanh]

Sony sure has alot of problems delivering PS3 & PS3 related products. At work, we received about 1/4th of the PS3 Devkit that we were supposed to receive. They're buggy and overheating like crazy. Sony is still far from having a finetuned product. Add to the fact that developping for the PS3 will be a b**ch. Expect the 360 to dominate the market and strong sales from Nintendo's Wii.

[jerryhussain]

So I guess Sony leaving out vibration from their controller had a bit to do with not only the lawsuit, but the tilting feature, like they claimed.
Where there is a will there is a way (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/713/713259p1.html). ;) That was shortlived. :-0

[bmaz]

"HDMI 1.3 Finalised, PS3 Onboard (http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3074)", TrustedReviews.

[bmaz]

Wow this thread is dead, where is the Hype?.
If this is any indication of the anticapation there is for the PS3 then Sony is in trouble.

In further news.....

PS3 Manufacturer (Asustek) Warns Media (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3467&Itemid=2) following leaked reports that The PS3 has begun production (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3450&Itemid=2).

[maebach]

I hope they have enough so that there isnt a shortage.

[ledorky]

Wow this thread is dead, where is the Hype?.
If this is any indication of the anticapation there is for the PS3 then Sony is in trouble.

In further news.....

PS3 Manufacturer (Asustek) Warns Media (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3467&Itemid=2) following leaked reports that The PS3 has begun production (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3450&Itemid=2).
Well the pricepoint has driven MANY away. Won't matter in the beginning though since Sony won't have enough units, just like the Xbox. The manufacturing plants will have the capacity but the bottleneck will be the chips (esp the Cell's current low yields). The 360 suffered the same thing last year since they couldn't make enough of the GPU.

[obernewtyn]

I can see the ps3 being in really hot since its close to the holiday season. Shortages are bound to happen.

[john widow]

So ps3 will use hdmi 1.3? So that will mean it can produce more colors? What if I stick the ps3 into dvi using a lcd that only shows 16.2 million colors? Will I be stuck with it? Would I notice the difference? So, will ps3 be able to play 1080p games? OR AT LEAST, have blu-ray and all blu-ray movies be able to play 1080p?

[mark_in_2k]

So ps3 will use hdmi 1.3? So that will mean it can produce more colors? What if I stick the ps3 into dvi using a lcd that only shows 16.2 million colors? Will I be stuck with it? Would I notice the difference? So, will ps3 be able to play 1080p games? OR AT LEAST, have blu-ray and all blu-ray movies be able to play 1080p?I believe that Sony (and devs) still has not confirmed whether the PS3 will be able to play games at 1080p, so I guess it's a wait-and-see.

[tonychau]

anybody own a Samsung Blu-Ray Disc Player (BD-P1000) for $1299.99 from Futureshop?

how are they now?

Half price of regular blu-ray player, PS3 is definitely hot deal.
It is very good price for early adapter!

http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10073990.jpg

[rdtx2002]

I can see the ps3 being in really hot since its close to the holiday season. Shortages are bound to happen.

yup.. whether it's made intentionally by Sony (see PS2) or for other reasons.

[jerryhussain]

The 360 suffered the same thing last year since they couldn't make enough of the GPU.
It wasnt the GPU that caused the 360 shortages, it was the GDDR3 memory from Samsung/Infineon.

So ps3 will use hdmi 1.3?
So that will mean it can produce more colors?
What if I stick the ps3 into dvi using a lcd that only shows 16.2 million colors?
Will I be stuck with it?
Would I notice the difference?
So, will ps3 be able to play 1080p games?
OR AT LEAST, have blu-ray and all blu-ray movies be able to play 1080p?
-Yes
-Yes
-You get less colors. Obviously you are not using your PS3 to its full "potential".
-No
-Cant say.
-So far all the 1080p games have moved onto a 720p. :lol: It can play 1080p but it will have to be really old games like GT4. :cheesygri
-All Blu-ray (& HD-DVD) movies are 1080p. If you use the PS3 with HDMI, you'll be able to watch movies at 1080p given that you have a 1080p set. Using component may result in down rezzing if the titles have AACS.

anybody own a Samsung Blu-Ray Disc Player (BD-P1000) for $1299.99 from Futureshop?

how are they now?
It sucks basically. Mainly because of its hefty price-tag combined with the really bad Blu-ray titles out now. Sony botched it up mainly by not using VC1. The verdict so far is that Sony is finding it difficult to mass produce dual layer Blu-ray discs, so unless Sony starts using dual-layer discs or the new codecs, they are really not upto part with HD-DVD. Head over to avsforums and see for yourself.

[bmaz]

Would Sony not implementing VC-1 have anything to do with the fact that Microsoft is backing it?
At the very least they should have used H.264, unless that was too CPU inensive.

[jerryhussain]

Would Sony not implementing VC-1 have anything to do with the fact that Microsoft is backing it?
At the very least they should have used H.264, unless that was too CPU inensive.
Sony has already licensed VC1 from Microsoft.

[bmaz]

Sony has already licensed VC1 from Microsoft.
Then what the bloody hell is the hold up. :mad:

[jerryhussain]

Then what the bloody hell is the hold up. :mad:
I'm not sure. :cheesygri

[joshmxpx]

anybody own a Samsung Blu-Ray Disc Player (BD-P1000) for $1299.99 from Futureshop?

how are they now?

Half price of regular blu-ray player, PS3 is definitely hot deal.
It is very good price for early adapter!


won't matter if the bluray player performs as well as the ps2's dvd player did, which was a piece of crap. if its the same as before, it should only be half the price of a standalone, because of half the performance and reliability.

that's just speculation, though, it could be an excellent player. we just have to wait and see...

[Rayblue88]

The next generation of console arrives nov17, the president of sony mentioned despite the high release price, he's confident it will sell like crazy. Main target shifts towards the hardcore gamers. It will sell many units despite the price, 2 million units to start off....whoaoooao hooa.

[bmaz]

Full story @ The Inq (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33310).

[Canadianpsycho]

660 bucks... Had a hard time paying 500 for a 360 Premium...

[Tanith]

660 bucks... Had a hard time paying 500 for a 360 Premium...
waiting for someone to say... " but omgwtf its a console, a high definition player, a bbq and a time machine all in one"

[bottomfeeder]

When will Future Shop start pre-selling?

[alv077]

won't matter if the bluray player performs as well as the ps2's dvd player did, which was a piece of crap. if its the same as before, it should only be half the price of a standalone, because of half the performance and reliability.

that's just speculation, though, it could be an excellent player. we just have to wait and see...

half? you give them too much credit.

[Anessa]

Can't believed they delayed Smackdown 2007 for PS3 until 2007. What total BS.

[jerryhussain]

Can't believed they delayed Smackdown 2007 for PS3 until 2007. What total BS.
Not delayed, cancelled (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/720/720579p1.html).

[sfu_lifer]

The next generation of console arrives nov17, the president of sony mentioned despite the high release price, he's confident it will sell like crazy. Main target shifts towards the hardcore gamers. It will sell many units despite the price, 2 million units to start off....whoaoooao hooa.
It will def. sell out just because it's Sony (and despite lacking decent software) and some folks are deluded into thinking it'll be a quality Blu-Ray player. Don't think Sony is not cutting costs at this price.
As to why games are being cancelled, let's just say developing on the PS3 has been a lot more horrible than even the worst prognosticators have anticipated, Unreal 3 engine or not. Might as well sink all their resources into next year's iteration. So PS3 launch day owners, I hope you're a patient lot. Games will be slow to come by for the first year.

[Ben31]

It will def. sell out just because it's Sony (and despite lacking decent software) and some folks are deluded into thinking it'll be a quality Blu-Ray player. Don't think Sony is not cutting costs at this price.
As to why games are being cancelled, let's just say developing on the PS3 has been a lot more horrible than even the worst prognosticators have anticipated, Unreal 3 engine or not. Might as well sink all their resources into next year's iteration. So PS3 launch day owners, I hope you're a patient lot. Games will be slow to come by for the first year.


Yeah....I think I'll wait a little bit before I purchase the PS3....first I would like to see what they offer in terms of games on launch...and second what will be coming out in the months ahead. Besides I am sure there will be contests out there so I'll try my luck there.. :lol:
Same goes with Nintendo's Wii....not sure of getting it on launch day either...just wait another 6 months or so...to see what they offer as well....
then again I could always wait till these consoles get hacked... :D

[ledorky]

Yeah....I think I'll wait a little bit before I purchase the PS3....first I would like to see what they offer in terms of games on launch...and second what will be coming out in the months ahead. Besides I am sure there will be contests out there so I'll try my luck there.. :lol:
Same goes with Nintendo's Wii....not sure of getting it on launch day either...just wait another 6 months or so...to see what they offer as well....
then again I could always wait till these consoles get hacked... :D
Let's put it this way: you'll have a helluva hard time getting either console on launch day. They will both sell out this Xmas (esp the Wii).

[PCDawg]

^^

OF course...it'll be xmas time and no matter what price it is it'll fly off the shelf and those scalpers will be happy since they will sell it for over $1000.

[alv077]

^^

OF course...it'll be xmas time and no matter what price it is it'll fly off the shelf and those scalpers will be happy since they will sell it for over $1000.

Over $1000 USD hopefully.

[TenzoR]

Toys R Us just called, they want to see which customer wnats which version of PS3

I took the 60GB version :) $649 was the price they give me

[tonychau]

anyone going to be a scalper for PS3?

how much will you charge for shipping if you are selling on ebay?

If it is over $1000 USD that is around 60% profit.

That is some good return.

Then use the money to buy Wii or X360. Basically Free!

Over $1000 USD hopefully.

[sfu_lifer]

anyone going to be a scalper for PS3?

how much will you charge for shipping if you are selling on ebay?

If it is over $1000 USD that is around 60% profit.

That is some good return.

Then use the money to buy Wii or X360. Basically Free!
I will be if I'm still around the GVRD then :).

[gordholio]

When will Future Shop start pre-selling?
Shouldn't it be: "When will pre-Future Shop pre-start pre-selling?" :lol:

[i-o_o-i]

so we're only going to be getting the black one? will the white one be releasing anywhere in the world on launch date or are they only releasing the black one?

[sfu_lifer]

so we're only going to be getting the black one? will the white one be releasing anywhere in the world on launch date or are they only releasing the black one?
Just like the PSP, only the black one in the beginning.
Just check out how many colors the US got for the PS2. Just the black. I expect the same (unless the PS3 sales suck then they'll start to rely on that cheap tactic). Too hard to stock many colors.

[StarStrike]

I will be if I'm still around the GVRD then :).


Where'd you move out to? :-0

[bmaz]

To use saved data on a PlayStation 2 memory card, you must copy the data onto a virtual memory card within the hard disk. This requires a PS2/PSone memory card adaptor to copy the data to your PLAYSTATION 3. A memory card adaptor is designed to edit, up/download game saves to and from EMS flash card or smart media cardStory @ TrustedReviews (http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3266).


Months away from launch and this thread is dieing, this could be it for Sony.

I added the picture :arrowd: because, (a) I like pictures and (b) I don't recall seeing this picture here.
This picture is of the 60 GB (Premium edition), notice the chrome highlights.
So friends and strangers can easily see that you weren't rich enough or smart enough to buy the premium edition.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/3266-PS3.jpg

[Aero]

What stores in the GTA takes pre order?

[Fantaz]

Toys R Us just called, they want to see which customer wnats which version of PS3

I took the 60GB version :) $649 was the price they give me
Hey, that's a pretty good price. It's supposed to be $10 more for $659, unless they lowered it.

[TenzoR]

Hey, that's a pretty good price. It's supposed to be $10 more for $659, unless they lowered it.

it could be 659 ..but i could have swore he told me 649 ..

[sfu_lifer]

Where'd you move out to? :-0
haven't moved *yet*. I may be gone then so no Wii or PS3 for me since where I may be going, they get the consoles released way after Europe.
Too bad, I was hoping to use some FS GCs to get the Wii and the PS3 at 20% off. Now I may just have to import from Japan.

[felix]

So how do you know there's going to be a shortage? Who would buy this with such a weird looking controller?

[rdtx2002]

So how do you know there's going to be a shortage? Who would buy this with such a weird looking controller?

if you cared to follow the ps3 news.. Sony has decided to redesign the controller

[rdtx2002]

Months away from launch and this thread is dieing, this could be it for Sony.


you base a message boards activity of a thread to equal Sony losing next generation?

sorry for being 'harsh' but.. are you stupid?

[bmaz]

you base a message boards activity of a thread to equal Sony losing next generation?

sorry for being 'harsh' but.. are you stupid?
Have you been keeping track of what's going on?
With all the issues that they have to content with:
> Possibly a downgraded CPU
> Reduced yields
> HD-DVD has better image quality than current Blu-Ray movies
> Us needing to purchase an additional adapter to save/load PS2/PS1 games

All they have going for them is fanboism, and thats dieing down, and thats what I am basing this on.

[BigBadBoo]

Well, its either this thread or gamespot which is full of kiddies who love to spew out crap. There definetly be some activity once we get closer to launch, but I can bet that the 360 thread will also be smoking with titles being released, such as Gears of War.

[felix]

if you cared to follow the ps3 news.. Sony has decided to redesign the controller
Nope, never followed. Never cared. :lol:

Nintendo all the way!! :D

[TenzoR]

Have you been keeping track of what's going on?
With all the issues that they have to content with:
> Possibly a downgraded CPU
> Reduced yields
> HD-DVD has better image quality than current Blu-Ray movies
> Us needing to purchase an additional adapter to save/load PS2/PS1 games

All they have going for them is fanboism, and thats dieing down, and thats what I am basing this on.

You'd be surprise how many fanboys are out there for the PS, I can safely say Gran Turismo + Final Fantasy fans alone will be enough to put the first wave of PS3 out of stock and in demand. People who can afford the PS3 has money to blow, so a small adaptor will not make/break their decision.

[mark_in_2k]

You'd be surprise how many fanboys are out there for the PS, I can safely say Gran Turismo + Final Fantasy fans alone will be enough to put the first wave of PS3 out of stock and in demand. People who can afford the PS3 has money to blow, so a small adaptor will not make/break their decision.I totally agree with you. PS fanboyism is not to be taken lightly, and Kurtagi knows it which is why he thinks that it's a fair price to pay.

[jerryhussain]

The reason PS fanboys have gone hibernating is that they are gettting hammered by Nintendo and Xbox fans for all the wrong decisions Sony is taking lately. They'll be back in full force close to launch. ;)

[joshmxpx]

Well, its either this thread or gamespot which is full of kiddies who love to spew out crap. There definetly be some activity once we get closer to launch, but I can bet that the 360 thread will also be smoking with titles being released, such as Gears of War.

Who would have believed the insanely anticipated gears of war announcement last week, a release date.....a whole lot of hype for nothing unexpected

[radeonboy]

if you cared to follow the ps3 news.. Sony has decided to redesign the controller

wasnt that done long time ago? you would figure Sony would know the saying..."If it aint broke, dont fix it".

Now I wonder if the Wee controller will bold well and how it will play out. That controller is wacked out...lol.

The PS3 is going to be damn expensive. I would suggest doing what I am going to do, wait out and see if they price drop like they always seem to do right when a gaming show like E3 is around the corner.

[Tomato_1]

Don´t know if anybody here is an IEEE member but I got August´s issue and they have an article about PS3. I don´t know but man their marketing team is good. Like WTF, a nerd magazine touting PS3 as the latest and greatest.

[sfu_lifer]

You'd be surprise how many fanboys are out there for the PS, I can safely say Gran Turismo + Final Fantasy fans alone will be enough to put the first wave of PS3 out of stock and in demand. People who can afford the PS3 has money to blow, so a small adaptor will not make/break their decision.
But unfortunately, Final Fantasy will be NOWHERE near in sight when the PS3 launches. All there'll be is a barely enhanced GT4 with online play. And I mean barely. Imagine low rez, low poly PS2 models+textures at 1080p :lol:

but I'm sure the fanbase won't care. The PS3 WILL sell out. That is guaranteed. What's not guaranteed is how it'll be able to sell once stock is available 6 months later.

Me I'm buying one to scalp on eBay. Then I'll just wait for some decent games before I jump in. The launch games so far look like 1st Gen 360 games.

The PS3 will be a juggernaut just because of the loyal sheep. Specs look good on paper but when it comes to gaming, it may not be all that well engineered.

[rdtx2002]

wasnt that done long time ago? you would figure Sony would know the saying..."If it aint broke, dont fix it".

Now I wonder if the Wee controller will bold well and how it will play out. That controller is wacked out...lol.

The PS3 is going to be damn expensive. I would suggest doing what I am going to do, wait out and see if they price drop like they always seem to do right when a gaming show like E3 is around the corner.

no.. they still have not revealed the new design.

[rdtx2002]

But unfortunately, Final Fantasy will be NOWHERE near in sight when the PS3 launches. All there'll be is a barely enhanced GT4 with online play. And I mean barely. Imagine low rez, low poly PS2 models+textures at 1080p :lol:

but I'm sure the fanbase won't care. The PS3 WILL sell out. That is guaranteed. What's not guaranteed is how it'll be able to sell once stock is available 6 months later.

it'll still be sold out.. just based on what happened with PS2.. doens't matter if FF doesn't launch with PS3.. the main FF game coming out at PS3 launch is FFXII for Ps2 anyways and you can play that on PS3

and who is to say they won't bump up MGS4 to the time when units are available to push sales even more.?


The PS3 will be a juggernaut just because of the loyal sheep. Specs look good on paper but when it comes to gaming, it may not be all that well engineered.

same can be said for any console.

at least 50% of early adopters will be those that will try to scalp on ebay.. that is for sure.

[rdtx2002]

Have you been keeping track of what's going on?
With all the issues that they have to content with:
> Possibly a downgraded CPU
> Reduced yields
> HD-DVD has better image quality than current Blu-Ray movies
> Us needing to purchase an additional adapter to save/load PS2/PS1 games

All they have going for them is fanboism, and thats dieing down, and thats what I am basing this on.

Let's hop on a time machine and revisit PS2 before launch.

-lowered CPU, from 333 Mhz to 294.5Mhz.
-lowered GPU memory
-Reduced yields
-shoddy DVD player at best AND no Progressive Scan
-need to buy new memory cards because PS1 games don't work on them... need to buy a new Multi-Tap because the old Multi-Tap does not work.
-mediocre selling Dreamcast (mediocre selling XB360 for Ps3)

Result: sold out launch and still #1 in terms of marketshare worldwide after the generation was finished.

so tell me something.. the issues that face the Ps3 are the SAME as the Ps2.. what makes you think Sony will lose? You obviously don't keep up with the happenings from last generation or else you would have realized this.

do I care if sony wins or not?.. no i don't.. but I know one thing for sure.. i'll have a few PS3s be November :D

[pcboy]

the sony guy told me it's $650, i ask him are u sure? cuz that's too good to be true.

650 is cheap for a blu-ray player!

[sfu_lifer]

it'll still be sold out.. just based on what happened with PS2.. doens't matter if FF doesn't launch with PS3.. the main FF game coming out at PS3 launch is FFXII for Ps2 anyways and you can play that on PS3



same can be said for any console.

Do you know *ANYTHING* about deving on the complicated PS3? I know a few people who do develop on it and it's way way worse than the PS2. The 360 is definitely not a DC. Sega was on its last legs with the DC. MS is in no hurry to go away. And North Americans seem to have taken a liking to MS's offerings (me, I'm no fan of FPS'es and endless racers).
PS2 launched and it wasn't terribly expensive (save for the scalpers). PS3 is launching at a very exclusive pricing and it doesn't look good regarding pricedrops anytime during the first year. Games will be more expensive and the console most definitely more expensive. Exclusives are much harder to come by this round since it's just too expensive throwing your eggs in one basket (except for maybe the Wii since that's like budget development compared to 360 and certainly compared to the PS3).
I don't see the PS3 dominating that much this round. It'll sell but it'll be taken down a notch or two. And finally, if you know anything about videogame history, no manufacturer has kept the lead 3 generations running. It remains to be seen if Sony can keep it up. So far, with all the bad press and by coming to the party late, and hardware that doesn't really leapfrog the competition (actually keeping up with the 360 has been a struggle), it's a very much an uphill climb.

[alv077]

In the gta, ps3 will win.

Our midnight launches were pathetic. We had 40 people in line (markville/stc). Thats in comparison to hundreds in the states. Another fun fact is that I was the only asian in both of those lines. Er.

[radeonboy]

In the gta, ps3 will win.

Our midnight launches were pathetic. We had 40 people in line (markville/stc). Thats in comparison to hundreds in the states. Another fun fact is that I was the only asian in both of those lines. Er.

I will officially never camp out/go early to buy a console. Case in point, it sucked...why? Because this.

My mom, brother and I went to Future Shop and waited since 3AM to buy an XBOX 1. This was the day before the launch and I thought there would be a huge lineup. I thought it would be mega huge. Well we waited until they opened and there wasn't even a big lineup, maybe none at all...LOL. A couple of people came just before FS opened...It was like a normal day...LOL. Some bought XBOXes but damn I regret doing that. It was nothing like the one in Toronto I heard, that was bigger.

LOL. I SUCK. BTW: This was in Brampton.

[i-o_o-i]

In the gta, ps3 will win.

Our midnight launches were pathetic. We had 40 people in line (markville/stc). Thats in comparison to hundreds in the states. Another fun fact is that I was the only asian in both of those lines. Er.

whats the point of lining up to get the systems when you can just pre-order? I dont see whats the need in lining up, even if u don't line up and you get there around opening time you'll still be able to buy it on launch date. I pre-ordered the ps2 when it first came out and bought it no problem, the psp I didn't pre-order but I was able to buy the value pack without lining up so there shouldn't be the need to line up for the PS3 either...

[joshmxpx]

whats the point of lining up to get the systems when you can just pre-order? I dont see whats the need in lining up, even if u don't line up and you get there around opening time you'll still be able to buy it on launch date. I pre-ordered the ps2 when it first came out and bought it no problem, the psp I didn't pre-order but I was able to buy the value pack without lining up so there shouldn't be the need to line up for the PS3 either...

some people who pre-ordered 360 didn't get one until three months after launch, by that time the chances of making crazy money are a little lower on ebay.

[rdtx2002]

Do you know *ANYTHING* about deving on the complicated PS3? I know a few people who do develop on it and it's way way worse than the PS2.

did you know PS2 was hard to dev also?.. do you know that the almighty dollar from Sony will make Devs develop for them?.. don't question my intelligence... it's just the PS2 all over again.. people complain of the complexity of the Emotion Engine.. guess what?.. hundreds and hundreds of games are made.

and i don't give a crap if you know people developing on the PS3.. come back to me if their names are Kojima et al. and then we'll talk.

Just because you know someone that devs on the PS3 doesn't mean all your words need to be listened you like they are from 'god'.. could be that your 'few people' are just not that knowledgable about deving the PS3.. now.. don't get me wrong.. i don't develope Ps3 games hands on.. but the notion that you have to back up yourself with claims that you 'are in the know with industry peeps' .. sorry.. i don't buy that crap

The 360 is definitely not a DC. Sega was on its last legs with the DC. MS is in no hurry to go away. And North Americans seem to have taken a liking to MS's offerings (me, I'm no fan of FPS'es and endless racers).

it's too bad they can't even get a sniff at the Japanese Market.

PS2 launched and it wasn't terribly expensive (save for the scalpers). PS3 is launching at a very exclusive pricing and it doesn't look good regarding pricedrops anytime during the first year. Games will be more expensive and the console most definitely more expensive. Exclusives are much harder to come by this round since it's just too expensive throwing your eggs in one basket (except for maybe the Wii since that's like budget development compared to 360 and certainly compared to the PS3).

games will be what they are when they launch. Ps3 maybe at exclusive pricing.. but you have the selling point of the Bluray and HDD to your advantage... Ps2 fanboys and status freaks WILL buy the PS3 no matter what argument you give for them not to buy it

I don't see the PS3 dominating that much this round. It'll sell but it'll be taken down a notch or two. And finally, if you know anything about videogame history, no manufacturer has kept the lead 3 generations running. It remains to be seen if Sony can keep it up. So far, with all the bad press and by coming to the party late, and hardware that doesn't really leapfrog the competition (actually keeping up with the 360 has been a struggle), it's a very much an uphill climb.

nothing HAS to follow history.. Sony can easily create their own history.... just like they did with Ps2.. people challenged to see if the PS2 can win 2 gens in a row.. and they did it.

bad press will always happen.. it happened with the PS2 .. nothing new for Sony.


if you knew anything about anything.. you won't be questioning peoples knowledge.. some people DO know more than you

[bmaz]

:arrowu: Dude you need to chill.
No one here knows whats gonna happen in the future, but we are entitled to our opinions, and it's a lot of peoples opinion that Sony will lose a lot of market share this time around.

[jerryhussain]

did you know PS2 was hard to dev also?.. do you know that the almighty dollar from Sony will make Devs develop for them?.. don't question my intelligence... it's just the PS2 all over again.. people complain of the complexity of the Emotion Engine.. guess what?.. hundreds and hundreds of games are made.
Really? PS3 costs almost thrice as much as the competition, something that PS2 didnt. PS3 doubles up as Blu-ray player, a format that is not proved and widely accepted yet where as PS2 sold well initially because there was no format war back then and DVDs were out for two+ years already.

As for the almighty dollar from Sony making the devs work for them doesnt hold water. Their games division is already bleeding and PS3 is not even out yet. Sony can pump money but not to everybody. Most developers jumped on the PS2 bandwagon because of its market share. Look at the recent EA interview, they were primarily focussing on 360 then Wii and PS3.

it's too bad they can't even get a sniff at the Japanese Market.
Thats nationalism for you.


nothing HAS to follow history.. Sony can easily create their own history.... just like they did with Ps2.. people challenged to see if the PS2 can win 2 gens in a row.. and they did it.
Did they? :lol: I dont remember.

bad press will always happen.. it happened with the PS2 .. nothing new for Sony.
Yes bad press will always happen but with varying degrees. Even 360 and Wii had their share of bad press. With the PS3 Sony seems to have to taken the lions share of bad press for this gen.

[Kurtz7834]

I had this sort of argument months ago with rdtx2002 months ago and I'm not about to repeat myself. But suffice to say I don't think the PS3 will be as successful as Sony's earlier systems.

Which isn't to say it will be a huge failure or Sony will die, etc. I'm not a fanboy. But I agree that Sony will lose market share, which is a good thing anyways for the industry. MS and Nintendo deserve more of a share.

[BigBadBoo]

Actually the number one reason PS1 and PS2 did so well is that Nintendo screwed themselves up with their stuck up attitude towards 3rd party developers. Sony just ok'd everyone who wanted to make games for PS1.

This time around though, the 360 is easy to develop for, and MS will trip over themselves trying to get developers on board. Nothing lasts forever, and certainly not Sony's streak, just look at the gaming news lately. Already a handful of the bigger companies are backing off PS3 development until later.

Thats not to say PS3 will flop, but I think there will be more equal sharing of the plate this time around, with MS gaining market share, Sony loosing it, and Nintendo gaining a lot more. Wii will be the hottest gaming toy this xmas.

edit: I will say that MS and Nintendo have done everything great so far, but Sony is lagging behind in that department. Just watch their press video at E3. Its really hillarious: 'real-time weapon changes'

[john widow]

Yeah...........I was thinking "hmmm real time weapon changing?".........
then I saw what they meant, and that was ********.....so u can change weapons when you choose, so what? That has nothing to do with hardware. it's the software that's been programmed for that game......

[john widow]

Yeah...........I was thinking "hmmm real time weapon changing?".........
then I saw what they meant, and that was ********.....so u can change weapons when you choose, so what? That has nothing to do with hardware. it's the software that's been programmed for that game......yeah, and do all games have real time weapon change? No, Gran Turismo HD demo doesn't!

[alv077]

whats the point of lining up to get the systems when you can just pre-order? I dont see whats the need in lining up, even if u don't line up and you get there around opening time you'll still be able to buy it on launch date. I pre-ordered the ps2 when it first came out and bought it no problem, the psp I didn't pre-order but I was able to buy the value pack without lining up so there shouldn't be the need to line up for the PS3 either...

cause i was late to preorder.

[alv077]

my super nintendo had real time weapon change.

[Kurtz7834]

Just out of curiosity, who here has firmly decided to buy a PS3 at launch? (To keep and use, not to scalp) Has anyone made up their mind?

[Canadianpsycho]

Just out of curiosity, who here has firmly decided to buy a PS3 at launch? (To keep and use, not to scalp) Has anyone made up their mind?


Are there any preorders up yet?

I'm thinking of loading up the line of credit and selling Wiis (Wiises? Wees? Wii?) and PS3s on the streetcorner. Gonna need a big trenchcoat though.

[vee_one]

^^^LOL....Nahhh man...PS3 is gonna kill it.....360 will go down

[tonychau]

well it is depend on the launch shipment.

Nintendo said they are going to have 5 million units on launch worldwide.
I think that is enough to supply everyone before the next shipment. So scalping maybe harder. It might not yield high return.

However for PS3 due to its higher price. Would people willing to buy 2x of the price from a scalper?

Are there any preorders up yet?

I'm thinking of loading up the line of credit and selling Wiis (Wiises? Wees? Wii?) and PS3s on the streetcorner. Gonna need a big trenchcoat though.

[Neovingian]

Are there any preorders up yet?

I'm thinking of loading up the line of credit and selling Wiis (Wiises? Wees? Wii?) and PS3s on the streetcorner. Gonna need a big trenchcoat though.Canadianpsycho...The only place I know taking pre-orders now for Ps3 is ToyZ R Us and they're offering the premium PS3 for $649 which is better than the price in the US...I've heard some EB games stores are accepting pre-orders, but I don't know if you want to go that route.

They are also accepting preorders for the wii, not sure the price tho.

You should line up outside a busy intersection during the 3rd week of December & start slanging your Wiises? or Wiizzees? from beneath your trenchcoat...I'm sure you'd make a killing....

[jerryhussain]

Canadianpsycho...The only place I know taking pre-orders now for Ps3 is ToyZ R Us and they're offering the premium PS3 for $649 which is better than the price in the US...I've heard some EB games stores are accepting pre-orders, but I don't know if you want to go that route.
TRU (ToysRUs) have stopped taking PS3 pre-orders long time back. If you call EB, they'll suggest you to check out TRU. :lol:

[JayPatel]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/726/726146/fear-unofficial-20060817003720845.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/726/726146/fear-unofficial-20060817003716423.jpg

X360 shot for reference.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/722/722773/fear-20060802011340741.jpg

[TheGame]

they're on par with the wii :lol:

[Moot]

Everytime I see the PS3 falling deeper and deeper in its own ***** hole, it makes my day. :cheesygri

[BigBadBoo]

Give it a year, things will start to pick up then. By fall of 2007, we should be seeing kickass ****. Quote me on that.

[Marlek]

Just out of curiosity, who here has firmly decided to buy a PS3 at launch? (To keep and use, not to scalp) Has anyone made up their mind?

I'm about 90% sure I'll keep mine. I'm third on the list at TRU, so it looks pretty good at the moment. The only reason I wouldn't keep it is for two reasons:

1) The quality of the Blu-Ray player is terrible AND
2) The launch titles are completely without merit

To me, it's primarily a cheap Blu-Ray player. I'm pretty sure Sony has screwed the pooch on this round, though. Overall there is pretty overwhelming negative buzz. They could turn it around in a year... we'll see.

[rdtx2002]

Everytime I see the PS3 falling deeper and deeper in its own ***** hole, it makes my day. :cheesygri

people like you make me puke

[alv077]

people like you make me puke

oh, you mean people who arent going to pluck down $600usd for machine that doesnt do anything better than its competitors?

[rdtx2002]

oh, you mean people who arent going to pluck down $600usd for machine that doesnt do anything better than its competitors?

no.. people that wish death to competition like the poster is implying.

[GuiltySpark]

While I find it slightly amusing that PS *FANS* are taking a beating..a poor showing of PS3 would a monumental Disaster for the competitors and Gaming in general.
I own a 360, and plan to purchase a Wii (with a little trepidation) with no plans to purchase a PS3 on the merit of price (OMG I thought 360 was bad) and for the fact that I don't see that many games that are exclusive any more or at the very least appeal to me and my style/prefereance of games.
The Blu Ray/ HD-DVD battle is a joke, and everyone knows it.

If I wanted to play gobs upon gobs of boring rpgs and Ninja beat'em ups....PS3 is my man. But I enjoy FPS's and 360 has had quite a few lately that are very good. plus, and it's a BIG plus: I love Halo.
If Halo was offered on ~gasp~ a Sony console, I'd be the first in line....sad but true.

[rdtx2002]

If I wanted to play gobs upon gobs of boring rpgs and Ninja beat'em ups....PS3 is my man. But I enjoy FPS's and 360 has had quite a few lately that are very good. plus, and it's a BIG plus: I love Halo.
If Halo was offered on ~gasp~ a Sony console, I'd be the first in line....sad but true.

for the type of gamer you are.. i'm not surprised that XB360 and Wii are your consoles of choice

[GuiltySpark]

Is that supposed to be a Dig?

[alv077]

no.. people that wish death to competition like the poster is implying.

death to competition?

for the record, its sony that is in the lead right now. also, i would MUCH rather have either nintendo or sony be the market leader than sony. why?

sony LOVES to make prepriatary formats to rake in money with. In fact, thats what they are doing with the PS3, arent they? Force you into buying a bluray player and collect royalties from movies AND games.

lets face it: the capacity of bluray is going to waste for games, its also the reason for the ps3 delays.

[john widow]

HOly REDFLAGDEALSMAOLOYYYEEE

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/705/705838/e3-2006-ps3-date-and-price-announced-20060515012351985.jpg
don't u think that ps3 looks thick and heavy?

Anyways, should they make a new method of making movies digitally? Instead of the pixel method, could there possibly be some new method? Same with games and polygons and all the other shader thingy magigies....Wouldn't it be cool? Can't really think of how....but couldn't there be a way???

[ashs]

i hope it isnt made cheap like the ps2 was.

[john widow]

I remember when n64 came out, I think I paid like $550 for a game n all.
ps3 was like 499 too right?

[rollen]

HOly REDFLAGDEALSMAOLOYYYEEE

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/705/705838/e3-2006-ps3-date-and-price-announced-20060515012351985.jpg
don't u think that ps3 looks thick and heavy?


it does look bulky...! but i dont think i would want it in silver...the black shiny one looks sweet.

[joshmxpx]

for the record, its sony that is in the lead right now. also, i would MUCH rather have either nintendo or sony be the market leader than sony.

me too?

I remember when n64 came out, I think I paid like $550 for a game n all.
ps3 was like 499 too right?

you got a ps3 already, how did you manage that?




seriously, you guys need to proofread your posts before you submit them, you are making obvious fanboy mistakes, typing faster than you can think

[BigBadBoo]

death to competition?

for the record, its sony that is in the lead right now


Its MS thats in the lead. They have the console out, and they got developers making games on it and really into it. PS3 final devkits were sent out just recently I believe. If you are talking about fanboyism, then yes, Sony is in the lead. If Sony is good at one thing, its hype. Hype runs out of steam though.

[awestruck]

for the record, its sony that is in the lead right now. also, i would MUCH rather have either nintendo or sony be the market leader than sony. why?


Way to contradict yourself. Anyway, when it comes to this/next-gen MS is currently in the lead with 5 million consoles sold. If you're talking previous gen, ie. PS2, GC, XBOX then yes, Sony is in the lead.

[Andro]

Its MS thats in the lead. They have the console out, and they got developers making games on it and really into it. PS3 final devkits were sent out just recently I believe. If you are talking about fanboyism, then yes, Sony is in the lead. If Sony is good at one thing, its hype. Hype runs out of steam though.

:arrowu:well put.

[JayPatel]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1539078/20060821/index.jhtml?headlines=true


Schneider offered some distinguishing stats (which he called MTV News on Tuesday to further clarify). The game, he said, currently takes up 22 Gigabytes of memory on a Blu-Ray disc, the new disc format supported by the PS3 that is one-half of a VHS-vs.-Betamax format war erupting between tech companies throughout the year. While the music and vocals in "Resistance" take up only about 1 Gigabyte of disc space, graphics, level data and programming code occupy most of the remaining 21.

"We're going to fit more on a Blu-Ray disc than you could on an HD DVD," he said, referring to the competing format, which in its most basic discs can't hold more than 15 GB. More numbers: 40-player online matches at launch; 60 levels of player progression while playing online; two-player offline co-op. Phillips promised better, deeper support than any Xbox Live launch title.

[sfu_lifer]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1539078/20060821/index.jhtml?headlines=true
How much do people wanna bet a ton of that 21GB is mpeg2 video in 1080p (as well as multiple resolutions). That and the textures are uncompressed and also in multiple resolutions :cheesygri
Just a way to blow smoke over the supposed "need" for Blu-Ray.

[BigBadBoo]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1539078/20060821/index.jhtml?headlines=true


"While the music and vocals in "Resistance" take up only about 1 Gigabyte of disc space, graphics, level data and programming code occupy most of the remaining 21."

Hahaha, programming code is part of the 21 gigs?

Anyway, as the dude above me said, it will be the high-quality videos, maybe even uncompressed or something. Looks like this is done on purpose to show the need for Blu-ray.

Just remember that the more data you got, the more loading times. While the next-gen drives are a bit faster than DVD, they are capable of holding much more data. I expect that most Blu-ray discs that will be used are made to be multi-region, so when you buy a PS3 game, its the same disc that people around the world will be buying. In that case, I can see it being around 10-20 gigs.

[JayPatel]

taken from GAF

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/gogogow/61f13a5e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/gogogow/mgs4_gc_2006a_mgs4-02-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/gogogow/mgs4_gc_2006a_mgs4-03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/gogogow/mgs4_gc_2006a_mgs4-04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/gogogow/mgs4_gc_2006a_mgs4-05.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/50391420060823_155705_2_big.jpg
http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/50391420060823_155711_4_big.jpg

[Fantaz]

Man, that's some sick graphics. I'm starting to buy into this PS3 hype. At least I got the money now. ;)

[john widow]

:mad: Those MGS4 pic links dont work. Here RFDERS, heres the link u can check them out urselves. I did some research 4 u. http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/media.php?id=1525
They say a new trailer is supposed to be out or something.

[joshmxpx]

:mad: Those MGS4 pic links dont work. Here RFDERS, heres the link u can check them out urselves. I did some research 4 u. http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/media.php?id=1525
They say a new trailer is supposed to be out or something.

www.gamevideos.com from germany convention

[Ben31]

www.gamevideos.com from germany convention


I was just about to post a link to it....I can see why they would use Blu-ray discs for all the cutscenes....that to me does not look like actual gameplay(although if there is a possibility of it being so...then they have me in for purchasing a PS3).....looks good and all but I really don't want to be watching a video game....I want to play the game.

[JayPatel]

42 new hardware shots of the PS3 - DTS HD Master Audio added to PS3?

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2006-gamefront/2083.html

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2006-gamefront/ps3hardware-35.jpg
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2006-gamefront/ps3hardware-31.jpg
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2006-gamefront/ps3hardware-20.jpg

[conman7331]

He musta edited it. Theres no way they knew that in may of 2005

[TheRide]

Well I called Toys R Us and the guy said that they stopped taking preorders for good.

Anyone know of another place? Now or in the near future? EB isn't accepting preorders.

[alv077]

ookay.

First of all, assassin's creed was originally named "Project Assassin" and most gaming sites have already deemed it an xbox360 title as well.

And NO ONE is going to fill up a bluray disk unless they go insane with the cutscenes, and at that point, it would be a movie, not a game.

[sfu_lifer]

ookay.

First of all, assassin's creed was originally named "Project Assassin" and most gaming sites have already deemed it an xbox360 title as well.

And NO ONE is going to fill up a bluray disk unless they go insane with the cutscenes, and at that point, it would be a movie, not a game.
Yeah, I'm not sure why Ubisoft is keeping the 360 version under wraps. I heard thru the grapevine the 360 game was already ahead of the PS3 version development wise.

[jerryhussain]

ookay.

First of all, assassin's creed was originally named "Project Assassin" and most gaming sites have already deemed it an xbox360 title as well.

And NO ONE is going to fill up a bluray disk unless they go insane with the cutscenes, and at that point, it would be a movie, not a game.
Sony paid Ubisoft to announce Assassin's Creed much like Microsoft paid Rockstar to announce GTA4, doesnt mean that the game is exclusive. Assassin's Creed for 360 is one the worst kept secrets around, maybe after Halo 3. :cheesygri

[conman7331]

Lol, wtf do you want a pre-order for anyway.



I dont think you'll have a problem finding a ps3 in stores

i bought my psp 5 days after the launch, First store I looked at..

They had over 50 of em in stock

Only people that might buy em are those greedy arseholes who try to sell em on Ebay for double the price.

[aw3s0me]

Lol, wtf do you want a pre-order for anyway.



I dont think you'll have a problem finding a ps3 in stores

i bought my psp 5 days after the launch, First store I looked at..

They had over 50 of em in stock

Only people that might buy em are those greedy arseholes who try to sell em on Ebay for double the price.

only a moron would compare the release of the PSP and the PS3.

[Andro]

only a moron would compare the release of the PSP and the PS3.

to sum it up, only a moron would buy PS3 at launch...or anytime for that matter, when 360 is so far ahead with games and everything.....also the price is much lower, and prices for games are lower too.

[TheRide]

to sum it up, only a moron would buy PS3 at launch...or anytime for that matter, when 360 is so far ahead with games and everything.....also the price is much lower, and prices for games are lower too.

Well there's going to be ALOT of morons then.

Anyone able to help me with my original question about PS3 pre-orders?

[mark_in_2k]

to sum it up, only a moron would buy PS3 at launch...or anytime for that matter, when 360 is so far ahead with games and everything.....also the price is much lower, and prices for games are lower too.Only a moron that wanted to make money would buy a PS3 at launch. Have you read about the shortages that are almost definately going to happen? X360 and e-bay ring a bell?

[alv077]

The thing with PS3 is that the only reason it costs so much more is to help push Sony's format, bluray.

Only the most devout Sony fans would argue that the disk space is necessary for gaming. PC games have been "highdef" for a long time, they have traditionally used CDs, and are just starting to use singlelayer dvds.

Aiside from movies, we're not going to DOUBLE the disk usage over the next few years, especially since compression is constantly improving. As for those planning on watching movies on their PS3, how is watching DVDs on a PS2 compared to a standalone player? If you cant tell the quality sucks in comparision, you have no business buying a HD player anyways.

[joshmxpx]

The thing with PS3 is that the only reason it costs so much more is to help push Sony's format, bluray.

Only the most devout Sony fans would argue that the disk space is necessary for gaming. PC games have been "highdef" for a long time, they have traditionally used CDs, and are just starting to use singlelayer dvds.

Aiside from movies, we're not going to DOUBLE the disk usage over the next few years, especially since compression is constantly improving. As for those planning on watching movies on their PS3, how is watching DVDs on a PS2 compared to a standalone player? If you cant tell the quality sucks in comparision, you have no business buying a HD player anyways.

one difference with pc games is that the information is compressed on the cd, then extracted and stored on the hard drive, which is not the same as consoles, so not really a fair comparison

[rdtx2002]

to sum it up, only a moron would buy PS3 at launch...or anytime for that matter, when 360 is so far ahead with games and everything.....also the price is much lower, and prices for games are lower too.

i'm sorry you think all the morons in the world think the 360 doesn't appeal to them.

so people that don't buy 360 are morons.......... wow.... fanboyism at its best..

the 360 is just not that appealing.. might be a 'bit' more appealing now that you can hack the thing.. but.. it was never that appealing

[Andro]

i'm sorry you think all the morons in the world think the 360 doesn't appeal to them.

so people that don't buy 360 are morons.......... wow.... fanboyism at its best..

the 360 is just not that appealing.. might be a 'bit' more appealing now that you can hack the thing.. but.. it was never that appealing

well for one yes you can hack the thing..........also 360 value is much better then PS3, being priced way lower....the games will be about 10$ lower on average....the games for 360 are already out for 1yr and still coming in big numbers, while PS3 don't have even 1 game out yet, the selection will be very slim for all you PS3 fan goodluck ;)....sum that up and difference will be huge.....oh yeah and does or will PS3 have anything close to X-box live? the answer is NO........also blue ray format is not 100% sure will be the next format, cause it just started to come out.

[TenzoR]

Well there's going to be ALOT of morons then.

Anyone able to help me with my original question about PS3 pre-orders?

I think Toys R Us stop taking pre-orders already, I believe you have to wait for BB/FS

[bmaz]

well for one yes you can hack the thing..........also 360 value is much better then PS3, being priced way lower....the games will be about 10$ lower on average....the games for 360 are already out for 1yr and still coming in big numbers, while PS3 don't have even 1 game out yet, the selection will be very slim for all you PS3 fan goodluck ;)....sum that up and difference will be huge.....oh yeah and does or will PS3 have anything close to X-box live? the answer is NO........also blue ray format is not 100% sure will be the next format, cause it just started to come out.
Why are you talking crap in this PS3 thread?
There are no games out for the PS3 because its not launched yet, duh.
You also have no idea how well PS3's implementation of their online Hub will, so be quiet.
Furthermore the PS3 is not dependent on Blu-Ray, Blu-Ray is dependent on the PS3.
Even if Blu-Ray fails (which we won't find out until at least a year+) Sony will still have a proprietary format for its games, think UMD.
It's never particularly wise to buy a game system at launch, but to call someone a moron just beause that game system is the PS3, well thats just moronic (oh the irony).

[Andro]

Why are you talking crap in this PS3 thread?
There are no games out for the PS3 because its not launched yet, duh.
You also have no idea how well PS3's implementation of their online Hub will, so be quiet.
Furthermore the PS3 is not dependent on Blu-Ray, Blu-Ray is dependent on the PS3.
Even if Blu-Ray fails (which we won't find out until at least a year+) Sony will still have a proprietary format for its games, think UMD.
It's never particularly wise to buy a game system at launch, but to call someone a moron just beause that game system is the PS3, well thats just moronic (oh the irony).

you basically agreed to most i have said what your point? anyways im not trying to cause an argument so i'll take my "moron" words back.......happy now........and also read most gaming magazines about PS3/360/WII, you will found out that my point was taken judging from their reviews...meaning WII & 360 are going to own the market, btw that doesn't mean sony won't sell, it will of course (most because of fanboism as was mentioned in other posts).

[tonychau]

do you know how big the fanboism in compare between Sony, Nintendo and Xbox???

Anyway... do anyone know where still take pre-order???

After the bad news of Sony cutting shippment .. without pre-order maybe it is impossible to get a PS3 at the end of 2006.


you basically agreed to most i have said what your point? anyways im not trying to cause an argument so i'll take my "moron" words back.......happy now........and also read most gaming magazines about PS3/360/WII, you will found out that my point was taken judging from their reviews...meaning WII & 360 are going to own the market, btw that doesn't mean sony won't sell, it will of course (most because of fanboism as was mentioned in other posts).

[rdtx2002]

well for one yes you can hack the thing..........also 360 value is much better then PS3, being priced way lower....the games will be about 10$ lower on average....the games for 360 are already out for 1yr and still coming in big numbers, while PS3 don't have even 1 game out yet, the selection will be very slim for all you PS3 fan goodluck ;)....sum that up and difference will be huge.....oh yeah and does or will PS3 have anything close to X-box live? the answer is NO........also blue ray format is not 100% sure will be the next format, cause it just started to come out.

you sir don't know what you are talking about... let's correct a few things...

1. 360 price will probably only be 100 difference from the Ps3. the price point is not as big of an issue as you people make it out to be.

2. as for games .. yes.. 360 has more games.. but quite honestly.. where are the "AAA" titles?.. no where to be found.. where is Halo 3?.. the game selection on the XBox 360 is currently WEAK. and Ps3 fans, even when they have a weak launch lineup, can STILL play Ps2 and PsOne games until the major titles are launched. Remember Dreamcast? While i'm not saying XB360 is going the way of the Dreamcast, but the Dreamcast came out before the Ps2 because they wanted to capture the PS1 marketshare. Some did convert, but it was enough to make any dent to the overall marketshare of Sony, in fact.. it increased the marketshare.

3. Sony will have their own version of Xbox Live.. and guess what?.. it's FREE.

4. the Bluray vs. HDDVD will always be a story.. but if you can get a working Bluray player for 40% of the price of a regular one, don't you think people will jump all over that? and the Ps3 being so flexible in design, Sony can easily swap out the Bluray and change it to whatever format if Bluray happens to die (which I don't think it will)

you have a lot to learn before you can say Sony will die.

and btw.. is was very moronic and stupid to call people that don't buy Xbox360 morons... you are the only moron.

[rdtx2002]

meaning WII & 360 are going to own the market, btw that doesn't mean sony won't sell, it will of course (most because of fanboism as was mentioned in other posts).


360 and Wii are not going to own any market... as it stands.. after this 'generation' is done and the next consoles come out..

it'll still be Sony on top.. but Nintendo will make a splash and move ahead of Microsoft because they hactually have a market in Japan, whereas XB360 is on life support in Japan.

[rdtx2002]

do you know how big the fanboism in compare between Sony, Nintendo and Xbox???

Anyway... do anyone know where still take pre-order???

After the bad news of Sony cutting shippment .. without pre-order maybe it is impossible to get a PS3 at the end of 2006.


forget preordering... you are basically going to have to line up overnight to get a PS3

[jerryhussain]

2. as for games .. yes.. 360 has more games.. but quite honestly.. where are the "AAA" titles?.. no where to be found.. where is Halo 3?.. the game selection on the XBox 360 is currently WEAK. and Ps3 fans, even when they have a weak launch lineup, can STILL play Ps2 and PsOne games until the major titles are launched. Remember Dreamcast? While i'm not saying XB360 is going the way of the Dreamcast, but the Dreamcast came out before the Ps2 because they wanted to capture the PS1 marketshare. Some did convert, but it was enough to make any dent to the overall marketshare of Sony, in fact.. it increased the marketshare.
Oblivion, GRAW, CoD2, PGR3, Chromehounds, Dead Rising, Saints Row .. just off the top of my head. Weak? If you think thats weak then PS3's launch titles are worse. Their AAA titles like GT5, MGS4 will come late next year or maybe even later. And I didnt even mention the big titles coming close to PS3's launch. Take Gears for example, it will be the best looking title on all platforms, best reviewed and probably the best selling title this christmas.

Your analogy with Dreamcast is amusing. People bringing up that analogy only wish that 360 goes the same way as Dreamcast, only that Microsoft is not Sega. Microsoft's financial standing and influence is overall bigger than Sony's.

3. Sony will have their own version of Xbox Live.. and guess what?.. it's FREE.
Like Xbox Live! Silver is free? They have just said that its free but not have given any further details. Sony lambasted Microsoft for having two SKUs then went ahead with two SKUs. Color me a little circumspect for not believing them twice.

4. the Bluray vs. HDDVD will always be a story.. but if you can get a working Bluray player for 40% of the price of a regular one, don't you think people will jump all over that? and the Ps3 being so flexible in design, Sony can easily swap out the Bluray and change it to whatever format if Bluray happens to die (which I don't think it will)
The primary function of PS3 is GAMES. The hardcore HT community will only care to get the PS3 as a Blu-ray player. The price will have to drop significantly before regular joes contemplate it as a $500 "Super DVD" player.

In the event that Blu-ray fails, Sony cannot easily swap out the Blu-ray. It will be suicide. They are releasing games on Blu-ray from the get-go, so your suggestion is completely out of the window. If Blu-ray fails, Sony will still use it as a measure of preventing piracy.

[rinse]

you sir don't know what you are talking about... let's correct a few things...

1. 360 price will probably only be 100 difference from the Ps3. the price point is not as big of an issue as you people make it out to be.

2. as for games .. yes.. 360 has more games.. but quite honestly.. where are the "AAA" titles?.. no where to be found.. where is Halo 3?.. the game selection on the XBox 360 is currently WEAK. and Ps3 fans, even when they have a weak launch lineup, can STILL play Ps2 and PsOne games until the major titles are launched. Remember Dreamcast? While i'm not saying XB360 is going the way of the Dreamcast, but the Dreamcast came out before the Ps2 because they wanted to capture the PS1 marketshare. Some did convert, but it was enough to make any dent to the overall marketshare of Sony, in fact.. it increased the marketshare.

3. Sony will have their own version of Xbox Live.. and guess what?.. it's FREE.

4. the Bluray vs. HDDVD will always be a story.. but if you can get a working Bluray player for 40% of the price of a regular one, don't you think people will jump all over that? and the Ps3 being so flexible in design, Sony can easily swap out the Bluray and change it to whatever format if Bluray happens to die (which I don't think it will)

you have a lot to learn before you can say Sony will die.

and btw.. is was very moronic and stupid to call people that don't buy Xbox360 morons... you are the only moron.


You are misinformed.

1) $100 difference? Yeah if you're comparing the PS3 CORE to the XBOX 360 PREMIUM. Apples to Oranges.

2) The AAA games are coming, besides the ones that are already out which were mentioned by the poster above. Gears of War is a game that will sell systems, quote me on that.

3) Sony online is free yes, to a certain extent. To what extent? Downloading demos, songs, movies...but playing online against other people? Doubt it.

4) Easily swap out the Blu-Ray if it dies? What about all the people who own a PS3 when this actually happens? Are you going to recall all these PS3's and replace their DVD drives? Doesn't seem like a feasible solution.

[awestruck]

3. Sony will have their own version of Xbox Live.. and guess what?.. it's FREE.



This hasn't been confirmed yet. And will most likely not happen.

[rdtx2002]

2) The AAA games are coming, besides the ones that are already out which were mentioned by the poster above. Gears of War is a game that will sell systems, quote me on that.

so what?.. is it going to boost sales like how Final Fantasy, MGS, and Gran Turismo will for Sony?.. I seriously doubt it.

3) Sony online is free yes, to a certain extent. To what extent? Downloading demos, songs, movies...but playing online against other people? Doubt it.

ps2 was pretty much free for the most part.. but seeing i'm not that j=much of an online gamer, i won't comment on that.

4) Easily swap out the Blu-Ray if it dies? What about all the people who own a PS3 when this actually happens? Are you going to recall all these PS3's and replace their DVD drives? Doesn't seem like a feasible solution.

they just rebrand it without the Bluray and with whatever... if you bought it.. so be it..

you don't see Sony recalling all those V12 Ps2 machines where the laser dies instantly .

[rdtx2002]

Oblivion, GRAW, CoD2, PGR3, Chromehounds, Dead Rising, Saints Row .. just off the top of my head. Weak? If you think thats weak then PS3's launch titles are worse. Their AAA titles like GT5, MGS4 will come late next year or maybe even later. And I didnt even mention the big titles coming close to PS3's launch. Take Gears for example, it will be the best looking title on all platforms, best reviewed and probably the best selling title this christmas.

we shall see about that. Halo3 and PGR3 are probably the only system sellers that are on par with the system sellers of Sony (MGS, FF, Gran Turismo, etc al.)

last i heard graphics don't really sell games.. but that is my opinion. I'll still say that Sony will be the leader of this generation with Nintendo 2nd with wii and MS third with Xbox360 (all in terms of worldwide marketshare)

Your analogy with Dreamcast is amusing. People bringing up that analogy only wish that 360 goes the same way as Dreamcast, only that Microsoft is not Sega. Microsoft's financial standing and influence is overall bigger than Sony's.

i'm just using that example because a one year head start is not going to mean much the market leader Sony.

The primary function of PS3 is GAMES. The hardcore HT community will only care to get the PS3 as a Blu-ray player. The price will have to drop significantly before regular joes contemplate it as a $500 "Super DVD" player.

and what did people think the primary function of the Ps2 was?.. it was not games even though Sony advertised it to be a Game machine.. you can't deny the fact that the 1st year of the Sony PS2 was because it was a glorified DVD player. Same situation with Bluray and it's first year... it'll be bought by people that are either: 1. sheep, 2. status seekers, 3. just want the latest and greatest.

In the event that Blu-ray fails, Sony cannot easily swap out the Blu-ray. It will be suicide. They are releasing games on Blu-ray from the get-go, so your suggestion is completely out of the window. If Blu-ray fails, Sony will still use it as a measure of preventing piracy.

possible.. but it's all speculation.. I think BluRay will win out vs. HDDVD.

[jerryhussain]

we shall see about that. Halo3 and PGR3 are probably the only system sellers that are on par with the system sellers of Sony (MGS, FF, Gran Turismo, etc al.)
You dont think Gears, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, etc. are not systems sellers? You'll be surprised to see that even Saints Row will move systems.

last i heard graphics don't really sell games.. but that is my opinion. I'll still say that Sony will be the leader of this generation with Nintendo 2nd with wii and MS third with Xbox360 (all in terms of worldwide marketshare)
I said best reviewed also, which means gameplay as well. If you have followed Gears even remotely the gameplay delivers on all levels.

As for predicting marketshares, even though Sony might recover their top spot they are bound to bleed marketshare heavily.
i'm just using that example because a one year head start is not going to mean much the market leader Sony.
One year head start does matter because Microsoft is not Sega. They will not drop like rock plus the major backers like EA who backstabbed Sega are in bed with Microsoft right now. (Focussing more on 360 than PS3)

and what did people think the primary function of the Ps2 was?.. it was not games even though Sony advertised it to be a Game machine.. you can't deny the fact that the 1st year of the Sony PS2 was because it was a glorified DVD player. Same situation with Bluray and it's first year... it'll be bought by people that are either: 1. sheep, 2. status seekers, 3. just want the latest and greatest.
PS2 had it easy as the format was out for close to three years already when PS2 launched. Blu-ray was launched just a while back with only a handful titles available by the time PS3 is launched. Plus, PS2 had the luxury of not launching into a format war like PS3. If you look around most people are taking the wait-n-watch approach over the format war. PS2 also was at almost half the price of PS3.

possible.. but it's all speculation.. I think BluRay will win out vs. HDDVD.
Did I say Blu-ray will lose? I was saying that swapping out drives from PS3 doesnt make sense like you claimed.

[rdtx2002]

You dont think Gears, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, etc. are not systems sellers? You'll be surprised to see that even Saints Row will move systems.

i don't doubt they are system sellers.. but they don't have the potential to create spikes in sales like how Halo and MGS does. I think that you would agree.

I said best reviewed also, which means gameplay as well. If you have followed Gears even remotely the gameplay delivers on all levels.

what is the percentage of gamers that read game reviews?. It's only the hardcore.. but the casual gamer is the marketplace.. not the hardcore gamer..

As for predicting marketshares, even though Sony might recover their top spot they are bound to bleed marketshare heavily.

it's always a possibility that Sony will not have the stranglehold that it had with PS2.. which I welcome.

One year head start does matter because Microsoft is not Sega. They will not drop like rock plus the major backers like EA who backstabbed Sega are in bed with Microsoft right now. (Focussing more on 360 than PS3)

Maybe in the NA market.. definately not the Japan market.

Did I say Blu-ray will lose? I was saying that swapping out drives from PS3 doesnt make sense like you claimed.

may not make good business sense.. but if there is a way to get people to buy a new revamped PS3.. Sony definately knows how to do that

[rdtx2002]

i don't necessarily disagree with everything you say.. but the people that think Sony will just die and be like in 3rd place in marketshare because of Ps3 are not thinking too clearly

[bmaz]

...1) $100 difference? Yeah if you're comparing the PS3 CORE to the XBOX 360 PREMIUM. Apples to Oranges....
You can't compare both platforms using their designations (PS3 Core vs. XBOX 360 Core).
To get an actual Apples to Apples comparison you have to use their featureset.
Using the featureset of both platforms (Next gen system with 20 GB HD and a Hi Def Video player) it would be more like:
PS3 Core ($550) = XBOX 360 Premium ($500) + External HD-DVD drive ($150+?)

[jerryhussain]

i don't doubt they are system sellers.. but they don't have the potential to create spikes in sales like how Halo and MGS does. I think that you would agree.
Gears = 360's Halo.

what is the percentage of gamers that read game reviews?. It's only the hardcore.. but the casual gamer is the marketplace.. not the hardcore gamer..
Conversely what percentage of gamers actually buy a game on gameplay? The casual gamers buy the game on its looks, which as you have conceded to Gears. The hardcore gamers will buy it regardless of the reviews. The in-between gamers will be swayed by "Editors Choice Awards" or "Game of the Year" hooplah. Add to that the colossal marketing campaign/hype fest Microsoft has in store for Gears' launch.

may not make good business sense.. but if there is a way to get people to buy a new revamped PS3.. Sony definately knows how to do that
Still that doesnt make sense. All the PS3 games would be on Blu-ray, the new "revamped" PS3 will not be able to play them. Sony will never do it.

i don't necessarily disagree with everything you say.. but the people that think Sony will just die and be like in 3rd place in marketshare because of Ps3 are not thinking too clearly
I think its more out of frustation on Sony. I think deep down every one realises that even playing field equals better for the gamers/consumers.

[joshmxpx]

what is the percentage of gamers that read game reviews?. It's only the hardcore.. but the casual gamer is the marketplace.. not the hardcore gamer..

i can tell you one thing, casual gamers certainly don't know what BLU-RAY means, and therefore will only look at price points, since they aren't hardcore.

mostly only hardcore gamers or gadget-wh*res know what the blu-ray technology means, and those are the guys who will be lining up to get one at launch. the casual game target (women, older people, little kids) don't care about futureproofing and the format wars and just want to play games.

xblm is designed perfectly for that, so they can just jump on and play uno or geometry wars or whatever. they aren't going to be saying, "This looks so awesome in 1080p, I'm so glad I spent $600 on this system!"

[bmaz]

PS3 gets downgraded again (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33995)
....The RSX, previously scheduled to run at 550/700 core/memory has been realigned with expectations and the value chain at 500/650....

[JayPatel]

another source. Cell to still run at 3.2 Ghz....for the time being.

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1212289&postcount=39

[kevin01]

Does anyone know when preorders start in Canada? Thanks.

[ephemera]

Looks like good ol' SONY won't be including the HDMI cable for their PS3.
Ouch! Who will be able to afford this?!


http://www.ps3land.com/article-623.php

[TheRide]

Does anyone know when preorders start in Canada? Thanks.

Toys R Us WAS taking preorders but they have stopped.

I'm waiting on EB, Best Buy, FS, etc....

[rdtx2002]

Looks like good ol' SONY won't be including the HDMI cable for their PS3.
Ouch! Who will be able to afford this?!


http://www.ps3land.com/article-623.php

the HDMI cable is like 10 bux man... hardly anything that will bankrupt you

[sfu_lifer]

the HDMI cable is like 10 bux man... hardly anything that will bankrupt you
QFT!
If you can afford a PS3, you can afford an HDMI cable.

[JeiJei]

the HDMI cable is like 10 bux man... hardly anything that will bankrupt you

True... also, not everyone has HDTV or TV with HDMI support. It's not even common to have one.

So I think not including HDMI cable is ok. Also for ppl who have HDTV/HDMI support TV, they might already have HDMI cables laying around.

[Marlek]

True... also, not everyone has HDTV or TV with HDMI support. It's not even common to have one.

So I think not including HDMI cable is ok. Also for ppl who have HDTV/HDMI support TV, they might already have HDMI cables laying around.

Considering the stink Kaz Hirai made about the PS3 being the only system with TRUE high definition graphics (1080p), it's certainly embarassing for Sony to not include the hdmi cable. Guess he left out the part that you need to buy the high end version AND spring for the cable in order to get "TRUE" hi-def. This is a cheeseball move that fans the flames of discontent. Very poor marketing decision.

[Canadianpsycho]

So I think not including HDMI cable is ok. Also for ppl who have HDTV/HDMI support TV, they might already have HDMI cables laying around.

Yeah, because Sony won't make the AV output on the PS3 with a proprietary connection? My PSX, NGC, XBox, Xbox 360 all had proprietary cables. Can't remember the 3DO or Genesis/SNES anymore.

Cash grab. Plain and simple.

[Canadianpsycho]

the HDMI cable is like 10 bux man... hardly anything that will bankrupt you

Try more like 30-40 bucks.

[wfeddern]

Have a look at www.monoprice.com

Can pick up HDMI cables up to 15' for less then $10

Try more like 30-40 bucks.

[i-o_o-i]

Toys R Us WAS taking preorders but they have stopped.

I'm waiting on EB, Best Buy, FS, etc....

Does anyone know if Toys R Us will be taking preorders again or not? or have they stopped for good?

[Fantaz]

You can get a DVI-to-HDMI cable from there and connect a PS3 to your LCD monitor. Some LCD monitors support 1080p as well.

[jerryhussain]

A standard HDMI cable should be enough.

http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06362/ps3back.jpg

It may cost $1-2 per cable or less to Sony, they should have included them.

[Canadianpsycho]

A standard HDMI cable should be enough.

It may cost $1-2 per cable or less to Sony, they should have included them.

I stand (or sit) corrected. Silly me for assuming they'd make it proprietary.

[jerryhussain]

I stand (or sit) corrected. Silly me for assuming they'd make it proprietary.
Given their track record I dont blame you. ;) Still you can expect official Sony HDMI Cables with support Deep Colour technology for $50+. :| All those cables are just rebranded and retested HDMI cables.

[joshmxpx]

I stand (or sit) corrected. Silly me for assuming they'd make it proprietary.

There's still a chance they might, imagine the money they could make by charging 30 - 40 for a proprietary cable!

[Marlek]

It just gets worse and worse.

The PS3 won't hit Europe until march (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19492).

They are now predicting 400,000 PS3's for North America at launch.

[TenzoR]

It just gets worse and worse.

The PS3 won't hit Europe until march (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19492).

They are now predicting 400,000 PS3's for North America at launch.

that'll just means people can scalp more for the PS3 now

[rdtx2002]

sony is up to their tricks again..

[Yaowsers]

It's not coming out until 2007

[gordholio]

It just gets worse and worse.

The PS3 won't hit Europe until march (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19492).

They are now predicting 400,000 PS3's for North America at launch.

Worse for Europe, no difference for Canada.
There will be lots of people selling these on eBay for a crazy price - probably to people in the UK and Europe (they can use a power adapter).

[mark_in_2k]

Worse for Europe, no difference for Canada.
There will be lots of people selling these on e-Bay for a crazy price - probably to people in the UK and Europe (they can use a power adapter).I don't think many would be going to the UK, considering that the whole of North America will be getting 500,000 units. Most of the people buying them from e-bay will be from the US.

Can $ony really recover from this? It's going to mean much bigger Xmas sales for the 360 and Wii.

[john widow]

I guess many people are gonna go on vacation to north america to buy a ps3.

[Marlek]

Worse for Europe, no difference for Canada.
There will be lots of people selling these on eBay for a crazy price - probably to people in the UK and Europe (they can use a power adapter).

Part of the news was also that their end of year estimates for availability are 2 million, down from the promised 4 million. So yeah, that has an impact on Canada.

[ledorky]

Um it is impacting NA. The 500K units at launch is also very tenable.
They is a good probability they're not even gonna make that many according to my sources.
They've been talking about Sony cancelling altogether for the NA launch date. They're been failing far far short on their production targets all this time. They knew they were gonna fall short for many months now as they've been keeping the larger publishers updated this time (just under NDA).
Good time for eBay. Am I ever camping out for one :D

[JayPatel]

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[Ben31]

Um it is impacting NA. The 500K units at launch is also very tenable.
They is a good probability they're not even gonna make that many according to my sources.
They've been talking about Sony cancelling altogether for the NA launch date. They're been failing far far short on their production targets all this time. They knew they were gonna fall short for many months now as they've been keeping the larger publishers updated this time (just under NDA).
Good time for eBay. Am I ever camping out for one :D


Considering the shortages...just heard on OTM(on the money) on CNBC...that there will be 400k units for North Amercia....anyways whatever the numbers there will be a shortage...but considering the shortage does that mean no PS3 Pepsi contest?... :(

[sfu_lifer]

Considering the shortages...just heard on OTM(on the money) on CNBC...that there will be 400k units for North Amercia....anyways whatever the numbers there will be a shortage...but considering the shortage does that mean no PS3 Pepsi contest?... :(
I don't recall Sony every doing any giveaways when they launched. They're too arrogant. They know they'll sell out regardless and the hype will carry itself.
But hey, xbox 360 was in major shortage last fall yet MS still did the Pesi promo. I think we'll have a better chance of a Pepsi/McDs promo. I never did have much hope fo a PS3-Pepsi promo considering how Sony has worked almost exclusively all this time with regards to marketing.

[Fantaz]

http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc421/th_38815_DMC4a_122_421lo.jpg (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=38815_DMC4a_122_421lo.jpg) http://img158.imagevenue.com/loc312/th_38822_DMC4b_122_312lo.jpg (http://img158.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=38822_DMC4b_122_312lo.jpg) http://img138.imagevenue.com/loc328/th_38828_DMC4c_122_328lo.jpg (http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=38828_DMC4c_122_328lo.jpg) http://img43.imagevenue.com/loc559/th_38834_DMC4d_122_559lo.jpg (http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=38834_DMC4d_122_559lo.jpg)

That looks hot! Another reason why I get PS3.

[IVNP]

Wow...a new protagonist who looks not much different than Dante who is the the bad guy in it.(Ths is like a classic Capcom way of milking their series.)^^; Why do they even bother put the new guy in. Obviously there's the link between them and whatever but wouldn't making him look more different be more of a surprise? The setting is suppose to be between 1 and 2.

[jerryhussain]

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B3848B2AC-3B68-4596-A2A5-6056035715B0%7D/gi-3-dmc4.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B3848B2AC-3B68-4596-A2A5-6056035715B0%7D/gi-1-dmc4.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B3848B2AC-3B68-4596-A2A5-6056035715B0%7D/gi-2-dmc4.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/afrika02.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/afrika03.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/lair03.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/lair04.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/lair05.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m012.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m013.jpg.jpg
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http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m016.jpg.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_event.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_machi.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_elen4.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_youseikai04.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_youseikai14sentou.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_sensoukai02.jpg.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59734_kaiteikai01.jpg.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Wow great use of blur to hide the lack of details in Motostorm.
Imagine playing the game entirely like that :).
I wish they'd stop showing replays and cutscenes (Forza 2, I'm looking at ya).

Wow that looks so awful for Factor 5's Lair. What happened?

[JayPatel]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/hs17.jpg
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/hs15.jpg
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/hs13.jpg
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/hs11.jpg
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/hs19.jpg
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/hs20.jpg

[MkmBandit]

LMAO Jay @ the vid in your sig hahahaha

you're a champ haha :razz:

[sfu_lifer]

One thing I can say with the nvidia folks, they're a step-up from ATI regarding realistic facial renderings (default shaders).

[rinse]

Wow, Sony is really shooting themselves in the foot here.

Lots of broken promises, can Sony fans remain loyal?

If you thought the 360 launch shortage was bad, just wait till the PS3. I believe MS had about 1 million units allocated to North America at launch, and you saw how tough it was to get one.

Japan 100,000? I guess they feel that region is most loyal so they can afford to short-change them for now.

If you can lineup for a PS3, do it because you'll make your investment back 3-fold come this holday season.

[jerryhussain]

One thing I can say with the nvidia folks, they're a step-up from ATI regarding realistic facial renderings (default shaders).
It depends on the developers not the hardware. :lol:

[friesenth]

So i'm one of those people that is hoping to pick up a ps3 on day one to sell on ebay. Does anyone remember what the average xbox 360 went for on ebay last year? What do you guys think the ps3 will go for with the recent anouncements of less units being available that first anticipated? I'm thinking that $1000 isn't unrealistic, what do you guys think?

[rinse]

So i'm one of those people that is hoping to pick up a ps3 on day one to sell on ebay. Does anyone remember what the average xbox 360 went for on ebay last year? What do you guys think the ps3 will go for with the recent anouncements of less units being available that first anticipated? I'm thinking that $1000 isn't unrealistic, what do you guys think?

I would expect $1000 at the minimum. It's going to cost you over 700 in the first place.

I think you could score 1500 for one.

[friesenth]

I would expect $1000 at the minimum. It's going to cost you over 700 in the first place.

I think you could score 1500 for one.

Nice i was hoping to double my investment. I'm not a big sony fan right now, but i hope they have an incredible tokyo game show, to help raise the value. Since i'm in a small city i hope walmart, or superstore each have a few so i can for sure get one/two units. Does anyone know if they restrict the number you can buy?

[rinse]

Nice i was hoping to double my investment. I'm not a big sony fan right now, but i hope they have an incredible tokyo game show, to help raise the value. Since i'm in a small city i hope walmart, or superstore each have a few so i can for sure get one/two units. Does anyone know if they restrict the number you can buy?


400,000 in North America at launch.

There are 300 million people living in the United States

30 million in Canada.

Going by proportion, US should get 90% of the consoles lol

Which would leave Canada with 40,000 PS3's.

I dont think it'll be very easy to get one unless you plan on camping out 2 days before.

[jerryhussain]

http://i2.tinypic.com/2zio754.jpg

http://i6.tinypic.com/4fxc85y.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/30tkwwi.jpg

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http://i8.tinypic.com/4biubfq.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/2sbabsi.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/f103.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/f104.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/f105.jpg



Screen #2 doesnt have a rearview mirror, I guess Sony is taking the stupid "PSP = rearview mirror" idea seriously. :lol:


..

[john widow]

So.......what's the gimmick? You stick the psp on top of your television, and when you want to look behind you, you look at it, just like you have to in a real car? :lol:

[jerryhussain]

So.......what's the gimmick? You stick the psp on top of your television, and when you want to look behind you, you look at it, just like you have to in a real car? :lol:
Yup, isnt that coooool? :cheesygri

[jerryhussain]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/731/731787/UntoldLegends_PS3box_FINALBOX_BDROM-CONCEPT_1157742666.jpg

[P__S__2]

Thanks for all the screenshots...

[sfu_lifer]

It depends on the developers not the hardware. :lol:
You're forgetting the hardware vendors provide libraries as well :).
Why recode the wheel :D ?
Aw man, they should just stop this series. Untold Legends sucked so bad on the PSP and from all indications, it ain't looking so hot on the PS3 either.

[jerryhussain]

You're forgetting the hardware vendors provide libraries as well :).
Why recode the wheel :D ?
True but you can run the vendor demos (Ruby or Mad Mod Mike) on either vendor's hardware and it runs just fine.

Aw man, they should just stop this series. Untold Legends sucked so bad on the PSP and from all indications, it ain't looking so hot on the PS3 either.
Atleast they are improving. ;)

[joshmxpx]

So.......what's the gimmick? You stick the psp on top of your television, and when you want to look behind you, you look at it, just like you have to in a real car? :lol:

they are working on a hat that includes a bracket to suspend the psp in front, so you can just glance up to see the rear view.

[ledorky]

True but you can run the vendor demos (Ruby or Mad Mod Mike) on either vendor's hardware and it runs just fine.


Atleast they are improving. ;)
They should cut their losses with that dev studio ;)

[BigBadBoo]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/731/731787/UntoldLegends_PS3box_FINALBOX_BDROM-CONCEPT_1157742666.jpg

Ah yes, that cover art pretty much is the seller for that game.

'she got overflowing boobies, its gotta be good'

[JayPatel]

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/731/731723/battlefield-bad-company-20060908045243314.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/731/731723/battlefield-bad-company-20060908045245001.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/731/731723/battlefield-bad-company-20060908045247486.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/731/731723/battlefield-bad-company-20060908045248720.jpg

[TheGame]

the second picture looks terrible, and the first one looks wierd (vehicle is sharp, background is blurred)
the last two, although they look nice, are probably just images from in-game video clips

[quikkid]

they are working on a hat that includes a bracket to suspend the psp in front, so you can just glance up to see the rear view.
I seriously doubt that that would ever work, the psp definitely isn't a light handheld, it might put just a bit of strain on your neck with unbalanced weight on it for so long.

Just wanted to add this, found it kind of funny.
http://www.thisiswaiting.com/m6.jpg

[john widow]

How come the xbox360/ps3 start using those usb ports for a mouse and keyboard? That way we play hl2, with the mouse instead of a joystick, it's not fun play some fps's on a controller....

[sfu_lifer]

How come the xbox360/ps3 start using those usb ports for a mouse and keyboard? That way we play hl2, with the mouse instead of a joystick, it's not fun play some fps's on a controller....
well at least the PS3 has the Wii-inspired but much more limited, motion sensor to help with this.

[joshmxpx]

I seriously doubt that that would ever work, the psp definitely isn't a light handheld, it might put just a bit of strain on your neck with unbalanced weight on it for so long.

Just wanted to add this, found it kind of funny.
http://www.thisiswaiting.com/m6.jpg

I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm. This whole idea is ********.

[Ch28]

So i'm one of those people that is hoping to pick up a ps3 on day one to sell on ebay. Does anyone remember what the average xbox 360 went for on ebay last year? What do you guys think the ps3 will go for with the recent anouncements of less units being available that first anticipated? I'm thinking that $1000 isn't unrealistic, what do you guys think?

You could probably make anywhere form $1500-$2000 depending on the buyer. I remember 360s going for around $1200-$1500. The PS3 will have a much higher demand because of the shortage. It'll be hard to get one though because most store will probably only have a handful of them and most/all of them will probably go to pre-orders. If you can grab yourself one then you'll make at least 2x the profit but it'll be really, really hard to find one.

[joshmxpx]

You could probably make anywhere form $1500-$2000 depending on the buyer. I remember 360s going for around $1200-$1500. The PS3 will have a much higher demand because of the shortage. It'll be hard to get one though because most store will probably only have a handful of them and most/all of them will probably go to pre-orders. If you can grab yourself one then you'll make at least 2x the profit but it'll be really, really hard to find one.


I don't think you'll be able to make $1500-$2000. That would mean that you would be selling for $2200-$2700, in order to make that much money. You can probably sell it for $1500-$2000, and your total profit would be that, minus the initial cost. Expect to get at least 200% of your initial investment, at the minimum.

[jb22]

Just wondering if any one else thinks that the first batch of PS3 will be plagued by technical issues? I mean I have a feeling that Sony (or some exec of operation manager under extreme pressure) will make the decision to lower quality control just to get a product out the door. I think Sony might be in a situation where they feel it be better to have customers purchase a defective product and then have to deal with replacing a unit at a later date ratehr then hvae to deal with even lower number of available units.

I mean I know any new device will have it's phase of getting the butgs worked out, but I think Sony is under a lot of pressure to just ship the PS3 on time let alone produce an amazing product to meet expectations let alone all the hype.

[Ch28]

Just wondering if any one else thinks that the first batch of PS3 will be plagued by technical issues? I mean I have a feeling that Sony (or some exec of operation manager under extreme pressure) will make the decision to lower quality control just to get a product out the door. I think Sony might be in a situation where they feel it be better to have customers purchase a defective product and then have to deal with replacing a unit at a later date ratehr then hvae to deal with even lower number of available units.

I mean I know any new device will have it's phase of getting the butgs worked out, but I think Sony is under a lot of pressure to just ship the PS3 on time let alone produce an amazing product to meet expectations let alone all the hype.

I wouldn't be surprised...the only reason I'd buy one would be to flip it for profit because almost all 1st gen consoles will have some kind of problem whether it's big or small.

[ledorky]

I completely agree.
I haven't seen a Sony console launch that HASN'T been plauged with problems.
And with Kutaragi admitting their hardware standards aren't as good as before, I'm sure the PS3 launch will be even worse.
That said, the shortage is gonna make sure they sell out. I'm also buying one just to flip it. I don't trust 1st Gen Sony (nor Microsoft) consoles despite the HUGE price premium over a Nintendo/Sega one.

[Ben31]

Looks like Sony has some reading to do.... :lol:

http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/j4.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/732/732786/resistance-fall-of-man-20060914005218484.jpg
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[JayPatel]

http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/dante_ss02.jpg
http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/dante_ss01.jpg
http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/nero_ss02.jpg

[baseline]

These games are getting so real that they would give me nightmares if I were a little kid :lol:

[ledorky]

These games are getting so real that they would give me nightmares if I were a little kid :lol:
That's why you get them a Wii :cheesygri

[Nacster]

I came across some interesting news in regards to the Sony PS3..Enjoy :cheesygri


http://www.elektriq.com/articles/playstation-3-passes-fcc-tests

http://ps3land.com/article-692.php



http://www.elektriq.com/media/attachments/647/51976.jpg

[bmaz]

...The EUT contains Bluetooth (Ver. 2.0+EDR) module and IEEE802.11b/g WLAN module. Those modules do not transmit simultaneously...That can't be right, Since the controllers are Bluetooth does that mean you can't play and connect online wirelessly?

[ledorky]

That can't be right, Since the controllers are Bluetooth does that mean you can't play and connect online wirelessly?
Since the controller has no rumble, doesn't the chip just RECEIVE and not have to transmit anything?

[jerryhussain]

Since the controller has no rumble, doesn't the chip just RECEIVE and not have to transmit anything?
Its bluetooth, it has to send and recieve. Even if the controllers dont have rumble, they need to send/recieve in order to establish connection with the console.

WiFi and Bluetooth do not interfere each other. So I do not know why there is that limitation. :|

[bmaz]

...WiFi and Bluetooth do not interfere each other. So I do not know why there is that limitation. :|
There have been articles that say the opposite, and since they are both on the 2.4 Ghz band it is theoretically possible.

[jerryhussain]

There have been articles that say the opposite, and since they are both on the 2.4 Ghz band it is theoretically possible.
My bad, I should have been more specific.

The interference is not significant as to disable such an important feature.

[rilhouse]

is there any stores taking pre-order for ps3?

[stunaz]

holy crap new devil may cry looks awesome

[Neovingian]

My bad, I should have been more specific.
The interference is not significant as to disable such an important feature....I think this was previouly discussed, but don't quote me on this, but I read in the IGN & gamefaqs forums the true reason the feature was left out there was regarding a patent lawsuit against Sony for incorporating the rumble feature in their PS2 controller. Microsoft apparently paid big money to have this feature & they came to an agreement.

You are absolutlely correct that the rumbele and motion sensitivity technology should not interfere with one another but this may also drive teh costs up. So that was their primary reason.

Like someone stated the Wii controller will be capable of having motion sesnors, rumble and an external speaker on the controller.is there any stores taking pre-order for ps3?...I think this was previously discussed, TRU & EB games were the only stores I knew of taking pre-orders, but they've stopped. BB & FS haven't statrted taking pre-orders no do I think they will, since the release is less than 2 months away & I doubt they could accomodate the initial demand, just like they couldn't when 360 was released.

[Fantaz]

holy crap new devil may cry looks awesome

Yeah, Dante looks as good in-game as he does in pre-rendered cutscenes. Capcom is doing next-gen right!

[bmaz]

My bad, I should have been more specific.
The interference is not significant as to disable such an important feature....I think this was previouly discussed, but don't quote me on this, but I read in the IGN & gamefaqs forums the true reason the feature was left out there was regarding a patent lawsuit against Sony for incorporating the rumble feature in their PS2 controller. Microsoft apparently paid big money to have this feature & they came to an agreement.

You are absolutlely correct that the rumbele and motion sensitivity technology should not interfere with one another but this may also drive teh costs up. So that was their primary reason.

Like someone stated the Wii controller will be capable of having motion sesnors, rumble and an external speaker on the controller.Neither of us were talking about the rumble feature.

[jayk]

How bad do u guys think the lineup will be the day before? Will it be better in smaller cities like hamilton, oakville?

[ledorky]

How bad do u guys think the lineup will be the day before? Will it be better in smaller cities like hamilton, oakville?
Prepare to camp out. It's not gonna be a pretty sight when the PS3 launches.
It's gonna be worse than the 360 launch.

[jerryhussain]

Prepare to camp out. It's not gonna be a pretty sight when the PS3 launches.
It's gonna be worse than the 360 launch.
It'd funny if there the 360/Wii fanboys drive by and throw some remarks. :cheesygri Reminds me of the Harry Potter midnight thing. :lol:

[Ben31]

It'd funny if there the 360/Wii fanboys drive by and throw some remarks. :cheesygri Reminds me of the Harry Potter midnight thing. :lol:

Don't be surprised if you get those stupid guys who buy the console and smash it....like the smashmyXbox360 people.

[IVNP]

Yeah, Dante looks as good in-game as he does in pre-rendered cutscenes. Capcom is doing next-gen right!

Eh...That ain't Dante you know...^^;

[joshmxpx]

...I think this was previouly discussed, but don't quote me on this, but I read in the IGN & gamefaqs forums the true reason the feature was left out there was regarding a patent lawsuit against Sony for incorporating the rumble feature in their PS2 controller. Microsoft apparently paid big money to have this feature & they came to an agreement.

You are absolutlely correct that the rumbele and motion sensitivity technology should not interfere with one another but this may also drive teh costs up. So that was their primary reason.

did you even read the thread? they are clearly talking about the interference between wireless signals on 2.4ghz, not the rumble feature which everybody knows the story of by now.

[bleeet]

Prepare to camp out. It's not gonna be a pretty sight when the PS3 launches.
It's gonna be worse than the 360 launch.the 360 launch was no where near as bad as the ps2 launch so that ain't bad

[JayPatel]

The Ninja Gaiden series will be coming to the PS3 in the form of Ninja Gaiden Sigma, the latest issue of Famitsu reveals. Developed by Team Ninja, Sigma isn't a sequel, but a "complete version" of the Xbox Team Ninja title.

Team Ninja is improving upon the Xbox version in all areas. The visuals, including characters, stages and effects, are being upgraded. Event scenes are being redone, and new scenes are being added. All cinema scenes in the PS3 version will be real time, Famitsu specifies.

On the gameplay side of things, players can look forward to new moves, actions and weapons for Hayabusa. Racheal, one of the series' heroines, will be playable, and when using her, you'll get to experience the storyline from her perspective.

Development on Ninja Gaiden Sigma is currently at just 25%. A Japanese release date has yet to be announced.

http://home.megapass.net/~kim4343/nin01.jpg

[JayPatel]

Taken from the GAF

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/5732/2004006052401246828_rs.jpg
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[joshmxpx]

what's with all the blur in those shots? is that just to save processor power, instead of displaying all the details?

[BD006]

what's with all the blur in those shots? is that just to save processor power, instead of displaying all the details?

Looks more realistic by focusing on the foreground.
Much a like a picture taken with an SLR.

[ledorky]

Looks more realistic by focusing on the foreground.
Much a like a picture taken with an SLR.
Usually that's the case. But just like josh said, it's also a trick to cover up your lack of texture memory ;).
Motostorm sure is looking much better though it's still far far from the supposed realtime trailer they showed at E3. As for Ninja Gaiden, snore. It's the good ol' Xbox 1 version that's supposedly enhanced (I'm not seeing much enhancement).

[jerryhussain]

Sony just announced Virtual Console for PS3. Another idea they ripped right off Nintendo. :lol: Can they get any more stale? :|

Good thing in that is that PS2 games are also downloadable. No pricing details yet.

[jerryhussain]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921042446115.jpg

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[jerryhussain]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733396/tom-clancys-rainbow-six-vegas-20060919031859194.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733508/tom-clancys-rainbow-six-vegas-20060919031458819.jpg

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http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733508/tom-clancys-rainbow-six-vegas-20060919031504022.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Most boring TGS keynote ever:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/tgs06/tgs06-liveblogging-kutaragis-keynote-202427.php

Sounds like Sony doesn't have the good this TGS.

[jerryhussain]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2dc5z0o.jpg

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http://i10.tinypic.com/451vi4p.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://i10.tinypic.com/40q3y0x.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/30t5kwh.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/4h8yw5j.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/2wftq1u.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734195/formula-one-06-20060921090939805.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734195/formula-one-06-20060921090941196.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734195/formula-one-06-20060921090942649.jpg

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http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/175/formula1av3.jpg

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[Brownbear]

Great news for all you ps3 fanboys!
and time to change the thread title :D

'Leave it to a well-known Japanese reporter to squeeze the best information possible out of our lovably affable laughable bearable er... our Ken Kutaragi. Twin-K (you may pronounce this as either Twinkie or Twin-Kay) gave the reporter two things, count 'em, two, that turned the audience into a massive clapping orgy.

1. The basic PS3 will retail for around 49,800 yen... that's about $425. Will North America get it at said price? Translation was rough and it remains a mystery, but chances are... no.
2. Sony is including HDMI in the console. Kutaragi preceded this with saying that HDMI was unheard of in most TV's at the time of E3, but has become more available and so it is being included with the console... we're assuming he means that the lower-end PS3 will now have HDMI abilities.

There is most certainly going to be more Playstation 3 news as the night and day and night and day drag on, so we'll do our best to keep you informed! Now is the time to make any, any requests about things we should hunt out and gather information on. We'll do our best to bring it to you... but, uh, keep it oriented towards Sony and/or the PS3.'

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/21/surprise-ps3-news-from-tgs/

[jerryhussain]

Great news for all you ps3 fanboys!
Not big news as the price cut is only for Japan. NA pricing is unchanged.

As for the 20GB getting HDMI, Sony took it out (E3 2006) and put it back now. Yay? :|

[jerryhussain]

http://i9.tinypic.com/47nqj9y.jpg

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http://i9.tinypic.com/2zyk56u.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

What's the point of that Afrika game again?
It looks good but it doesn't look very interactive.
As for $415, damn that's a GREAT pricepoint. Makes the 'tard pack affordable looking compared to the 360 'tard pack. I mean geez, you're getting the cheapest blu-ray player around. Too bad the Premium pack isn't getting the same love :(.

[jerryhussain]

What's the point of that Afrika game again?
It looks good but it doesn't look very interactive.
As for $415, damn that's a GREAT pricepoint. Makes the 'tard pack affordable looking compared to the 360 'tard pack. I mean geez, you're getting the cheapest blu-ray player around. Too bad the Premium pack isn't getting the same love :(.
To be fair the tard pack in Japan is $250 and includes two games. So $418 gets you Xbox 360 tard pack + PGR3 + NNN + HDDVD + Remote + Pack-in movie (?). Still 360 is as good as dead in Japan. :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

To be fair the tard pack in Japan is $250 and includes two games. So $418 gets you Xbox 360 tard pack + PGR3 + NNN + HDDVD + Remote + Pack-in movie (?). Still 360 is as good as dead in Japan. :cheesygri
Not quite. They'll be forever #3 but after the good TGS opening and the hype building on the 3 RPGs, they actually exhibited a pulse! Sony had a pretty awful keynote, worse than E3 (check out the DS pictochats occuring during the keynote at joystiq) so they're on their way down. They'll likely still be #1 but their position is now tenuous at best.
BTW, with HDMI in there now, what's the point of paying an exorbitant amount for the Premium? Wifi/Card Reader and extra 40GBs of space don't add up to me.

[yugiohm3]

Even xbox360 launch for almost a yr now ... how many titles you are impress with? To me, it have no game whatsoever :(

[The Digital Dolphin]

Even xbox360 launch for almost a yr now ... how many titles you are impress with? To me, it have no game whatsoever :(

My feelings exactly... but there was only maybe 2 or 3 games I wanted to play on the original Xbox altogether anyways, so I'm not expecting much from them.

I'll stick with my PSWii :cheesygri

[JayPatel]

http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734353/shirokishi-ps3-screenshots-20060922011101577.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734353/shirokishi-ps3-screenshots-20060922011106592.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734353/shirokishi-ps3-screenshots-20060922011114186.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734344/final-fantasy-xiii-ps3-screenshots-20060922004241859.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734344/final-fantasy-xiii-ps3-screenshots-20060922004252530.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734344/final-fantasy-xiii-ps3-screenshots-20060922030031470.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/734/734344/final-fantasy-xiii-ps3-screenshots-20060922030038016.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Nah those are new. I've been rabidly following FFXIII (will probably buy a PS3 for myself when that comes out, hopefully the 'tard pack will be a little cheaper by then).
That Level 5 game looks like crap.

[mrcantrell]

Thanks for all those beautiful pix. I really like the animal ones.

[diabolical7]

i'll get a ps3 later...
wii i'll get at launch
still got the 360 so i should be good for a bit until i get bored den ps3

[Jon Lai]

So does anyone have any preorders down for this system yet? I'd love to get myself guaranteed on at least 5 units :D

[AlphaTwo]

So does anyone have any preorders down for this system yet? I'd love to get myself guaranteed on at least 5 units :DGood luck getting to 5 places. If you do the math from Sony's 400,000 for NA count, Canada gets around 50,000 at most. There are definately more than that number of stores around.

Also, there's that fun Gamestop pre-order fiasco over in Hawaii as a test run. You can google the details yourself, but the gist of it:

EB/Gamestop was doing a trial run preorder for Wii/PS3 in Hawaii. You can put down $50 for pre-order, but it can only consist of trade-in materials. The trial was successful (huge lines), and from a website I frequent, one of the posters who ordered it mentioned that their head office called back for an informal survey, one of the questions asking: "If it was $100 of trade in, would you still do it?"

[JayPatel]

Nah those are new. I've been rabidly following FFXIII (will probably buy a PS3 for myself when that comes out, hopefully the 'tard pack will be a little cheaper by then).
That Level 5 game looks like crap.

White Knight Story trailer

http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/shirokishi/imgs/pho_shirokishi04.jpg

http://anon.psjp.speedera.net/anon.psjp/tgs06/high/h_whiteknight.wmv

[emacs]

here's the direct feed TGS 2006 trailers for Heavenly Sword and Resistance: Fall of Man. both trailers 1280 x 720 pixels.
link: http://blog.hinjang.com/media/files/tgs06_heavenlysword_trailer.wmv
link: http://blog.hinjang.com/media/files/tgs06_resistance_trailer.wmv
site: http://blog.hinjang.com/

[john widow]

update PS3 20gb version has HDMI port......output right!?

from gamespot.com sept 22.
"Sony has flip-flopped on the HDMI connector issue over the past few months. The original PlayStation 3 specs released at E3 2005 showed a system with dual HDMI ports, but when Sony revealed the two PS3 models at E3 2006 only the 60GB version had HDMI. However, during a question and answer session follwing his Tokyo Game Show 2006 keynote address, Kutaragi revealed that the 20GB model would have an HDMI port."

oh and mgs4 another trailer is up, u can stream it at gamespot as well.

[Fantaz]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734187/railfan-20060921084736478.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734187/railfan-20060921084738009.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734187/railfan-20060921084739447.jpg

[hyperion]

Wow, the PS3 titles are impessive. Almost makes me want to buy one, but I'm pretty sure the xbox 360 that I sold was my last console I'll ever own.

[jb22]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734187/railfan-20060921084736478.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734187/railfan-20060921084738009.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734187/railfan-20060921084739447.jpg

Wow, is this supposed to be a return of the Sega CD-ish FMV type gaming?

[sfu_lifer]

Wow, is this supposed to be a return of the Sega CD-ish FMV type gaming?
It's both (the train parts are in 3d). Supposedly only possible thanks to Blu-Ray storage.
I'm pretty sure given the difficulties making multiple layer Blu-Ray discs in production that the 360 can do this using their highly compressed (but still great looking at 720p) wmv that they use for Marketplace videos.
But this does make their train game look pretty awful in comparison. In that one they tried to render everything in 3d while this went the smarter (and far more realistic) route.

[jb22]

It's both (the train parts are in 3d). Supposedly only possible thanks to Blu-Ray storage.
I'm pretty sure given the difficulties making multiple layer Blu-Ray discs in production that the 360 can do this using their highly compressed (but still great looking at 720p) wmv that they use for Marketplace videos.
But this does make their train game look pretty awful in comparison. In that one they tried to render everything in 3d while this went the smarter (and far more realistic) route.

I'm aware that the train interior in the first pic is 3D, although it's nothing mind blowing. I don't see how you need blue-ray for a game like this. That footage doesn't even look HD. Even taking into consideration the jpeg compression on those pics, those images are way to soft to be HD. oO it seems like this game makes use of some basic 3D models for the interior with some simple 2D overlay graphics on top of some stadard def images that will be upscalled to HD res.

And why would a game that overlays graphics on to video be hard to do with blue-ray exactly? Like I said, they unfortunately were doing games like this over 10 years ago with the Sega CD.

FMV based games suck because in their very nature the game play is limited. There can only be a certain amount of footage, thus you will eventually start seeing the same sequences repeat over and over. I know there's a certain amount of reitition in all games, but with FMV I think you notice it a lot more.

[sfu_lifer]

I'm aware that the train interior in the first pic is 3D, although it's nothing mind blowing. I don't see how you need blue-ray for a game like this. That footage doesn't even look HD. Even taking into consideration the jpeg compression on those pics, those images are way to soft to be HD. oO it seems like this game makes use of some basic 3D models for the interior with some simple 2D overlay graphics on top of some stadard def images that will be upscalled to HD res.

And why would a game that overlays graphics on to video be hard to do with blue-ray exactly? Like I said, they unfortunately were doing games like this over 10 years ago with the Sega CD.

FMV based games suck because in their very nature the game play is limited. There can only be a certain amount of footage, thus you will eventually start seeing the same sequences repeat over and over. I know there's a certain amount of reitition in all games, but with FMV I think you notice it a lot more.
Don't take my word for it :D :
"As the title suggests, this game is dedicated to all railroad enthusiasts everywhere. Using the new Blu-ray disk technology to its fullest, the increased data capacity allows the game to cover trains from not only Japan, but those running in Chicago, USA as well. The game's development is based on the Train Simulator game engine, which means that live video footage will be used for the game, and they are all filmed using Hi-Vision Cameras. Also, this time, trains are filmed from various different angles, allowing the player to view the train speeding through the beautiful cityscapes from many different angles. Using everything from set cameras to helicopters, this new "Outer View" function provides a new level of dynamic visual appeal to the game.

Additionally, the Tourism mode presents information about points of interest along the train lines, and the Photograph mode allows the user to capture images from the game's footages. These additional functions provide new thrills to an already exciting simulator."
If you've ever played these "Denshi de go" games, they are extremely limited and for the absolute diehards only. I've never played a game so boring (other than that Bus version on the Dreamcast). It makes Flight Simulator feel arcadish. I'm sure the fans don't mind some loops now and again (or constantly in this case).

[jb22]

Don't take my word for it :D :
"As the title suggests, this game is dedicated to all railroad enthusiasts everywhere. Using the new Blu-ray disk technology to its fullest, the increased data capacity allows the game to cover trains from not only Japan, but those running in Chicago, USA as well. The game's development is based on the Train Simulator game engine, which means that live video footage will be used for the game, and they are all filmed using Hi-Vision Cameras. Also, this time, trains are filmed from various different angles, allowing the player to view the train speeding through the beautiful cityscapes from many different angles. Using everything from set cameras to helicopters, this new "Outer View" function provides a new level of dynamic visual appeal to the game.

Additionally, the Tourism mode presents information about points of interest along the train lines, and the Photograph mode allows the user to capture images from the game's footages. These additional functions provide new thrills to an already exciting simulator."
If you've ever played these "Denshi de go" games, they are extremely limited and for the absolute diehards only. I've never played a game so boring (other than that Bus version on the Dreamcast). It makes Flight Simulator feel arcadish. I'm sure the fans don't mind some loops now and again (or constantly in this case).

http://www.rolandit.com/games/Games/GamePics/TomcatAlley-SegaCD-Box.jpg

[Ryan]

Would a PS3 make a good prize for an RFD contest?

[bmaz]

Would a PS3 make a good prize for an RFD contest?
Dude, stop teasing.

[The Digital Dolphin]

Would a PS3 make a good prize for an RFD contest?

Properly emphasizing the word *yes* in this case, would probably result in a perminant ban on my part... :razz:

[JLee]

i say yes, as well

[Lizz__20]

Uh let me think.....YES!!!...wait i know...a prize is great, but this site is about helping everybody get a great deal how about an early pre-order link? i'd take a 5 minute head start of access to future shops preorder, or any store for that matter.

[joshmxpx]

Uh let me think.....YES!!!...wait i know...a prize is great, but this site is about helping everybody get a great deal how about an early pre-order link? i'd take a 5 minute head start of access to future shops preorder, or any store for that matter.

You still won't get one.

[mark_in_2k]

Sony haven't given developers the final online specs?

This is an interesting post on Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/sony-still-hasnt-delivered-online-specs-to-ps3-developers/) , talking about the lack of online info given to devs...

Though Neversoft was tightlipped on why Tony Hawk Project 8 doesn't feature online play for PS3, one Finnish website is reporting that Sega producer Mie Kumagai said Sony has yet to deliver network specifications so his developers can make online mode possible. As a result, Sega's Virtua Tennis 3 for the PS3 will also launch sans online play.

Less than two months from launch and PS3 developers still don't have full documentation? Please don't tell me that's protocol.

What are Sony playing at?

[sfu_lifer]

Sony haven't given developers the final online specs?

This is an interesting post on Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/sony-still-hasnt-delivered-online-specs-to-ps3-developers/) , talking about the lack of online info given to devs...



What are Sony playing at?
They have too much on their plate at the moment with the PS3. Their debugger (or lack of it) for the Cell+memory, nvidia's poor docs that get passed to the developers, it exactly shows how rushed the PS3 is. The 360 launch was fantastic next to this level of incompetence.
The online strategy for 3rd parties is in limbo (wondering who will pay these costs), all those promises but likely nothing concrete till NEXT YEAR.
So the PS3 may look like a great buy, NEXT YEAR when all these details are ironed out :).

[joshmxpx]

This is no different than Nintendo not giving its third party developers the code for online content either. Guess the only choice for third party online will be the 360 this holiday!

[ledorky]

This is no different than Nintendo not giving its third party developers the code for online content either. Guess the only choice for third party online will be the 360 this holiday!
Very true. Both online "plans" are just about non-existent for both manufacturers. Just like the Xbox 1 when it launched. It was almost a year before Xbox Live got going. This is what it means to be online capable. Sony and Nintendo are relatively new at it (at least on this scale) and it shows. MS is an expert at what makes it sustainable (both in terms of content, fun and quality of service).
As they say, with online, you get what you pay for.

[rfdghost]

http://www.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/09/powered_by_namco.jpg

i love this pick. guess the ps3 will probably have overheating problems too, but that won't stop me from buying one, i'll just get one of those high-tech cooling solutions they have set up for mine aswell :razz:

[Neovingian]

Just in, the lovely people at CNET have posted their views & fedback on the PS3. Interesting review.

CNET 60 GB PS3 Review

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_PlayStation_3_60GB/4505-6464_7-31355103.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

[sfu_lifer]

Just in, the lovely people at CNET have posted their views & fedback on the PS3. Interesting review.

CNET 60 GB PS3 Review

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_PlayStation_3_60GB/4505-6464_7-31355103.html?tag=cnetfd.mt
Sorry, that's a preview. There are no reviewable units out anywhere. I'm surprised they didn't slam Sony for overpromsing the graphics and underdelivering.

[Marlek]

Just in, the lovely people at CNET have posted their views & fedback on the PS3. Interesting review.

CNET 60 GB PS3 Review

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_PlayStation_3_60GB/4505-6464_7-31355103.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

I thought it was very fair, actually.

[sfu_lifer]

LOL, Sony shares drop due to reported TGS overheating problems:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3930&Itemid=2

I know their debug units do tend to run a little hot (well, the Cell ain't exactly a Power saver CPU).

I guess this picture is worth a thousand words with regards to the overheating issue:
http://www.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/09/powered_by_namco.jpg

[i-o_o-i]

will the Sony Store have PS3's on launch date? If so, do they do pre-orders and what is there return policy if I buy from them?

[sfu_lifer]

will the Sony Store have PS3's on launch date? If so, do they do pre-orders and what is there return policy if I buy from them?
Yup. Likely they'll have very reduced stock. Happened with the PSP launch. They had way less than Bb, Futureshop or even EB.
I'm not sure what their return methods are. Never had to return a product there since they told me to contact Sony directly by the time it broke on me.

[rfdghost]

i know i'm gonna try to pick up a console on launch day, but what is the killer app right now for launch?

[sfu_lifer]

i know i'm gonna try to pick up a console on launch day, but what is the killer app right now for launch?

Looks like it's Resistance by default. Everything else is a port or something else decent looking titles such as Heavenly Sword that got pushed way back past launch. It's gonna be slim pickins' for a long while, just like the 360 launch.

I think Fight Night R3 may make the launch "window." That game looks sweet on the PS3 (slightly better looking than the 360 version just because of the extra time EA spent on it-enhanced port of the 360 version). No online though which kinda sucks.

[jb22]

I was watching the video of those guys at PSM (I think it was PSM) who got a PS3 to play with as well as watching X-Play's coverage of the PS3 at the Tokyo Game Show and I will say that from the game footage shown the system does look promising, but I still can't get over how ugly the actual design of the system is.

Also, watching people use the motion sensing controller, I started to wonder if people would really want to play a game for a long persiod of time like that? I mean on X-Play Adam was playing that dragon game where you control the dragon with these very dramatic movements, which seems all well and good standing up playing a demo for about 5 minutes, but is that going to translate well for the average user sitting down in their living room? Also, isn't introducing motion as a method of gameplay almost asking for trouble? I mean I kind of see this as one more area for developers to mess up.

I will say I never really wanted a PS3 before, and I don't know if I really want one now after seeing it in action. Will it suck 100%, no way. And it'll probably have titles I'd like to play. But I still question the price point, Sony's approach to online, and I really question the use of blue-ray.

Yes everyone's excited that they will be getting a blue-ray player, but it is such and early technology that I still think ha s a lot of kinks to be worked out. I also question if the production of blue-ray discs can meet the demand for both movies and games.

Also, as a side note, what the hell is up with Gran Turismo HD? Is anyone going to fall for that? Buying extra content for a game is fine, but you shouldn't have to pay extra to buy essential content - especially when it could cost you up to $600 to get everything available.

[koncise]

I pre-ordered my PS3 at my local Blockbuster this past Sunday. They were only taking 5 pre-orders and I was the first one. So if people are looking for pre-orders, you might wanna try calling Blockbuster. BTW, mine had a GameRush inside of it, if that makes a difference in terms pre-orders/how many units they're getting.

[SuSHi]

what are you guys planning on getting at launch for ps3?

[Neovingian]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/736/736936/ps3-peripherals-announced-20061003010025635.jpg

this things looks like a fugly POS...hopefully logitech releases a remote shortly after the launch/

[Moot]

what are you guys planning on getting at launch for ps3?

A nice profit on Ebay.

[TenzoR]

A nice profit on Ebay.

:lol: :lol: :lol: so true

[The Digital Dolphin]

What's wrong with the remote? Look too normal?

[rfdghost]

What's wrong with the remote? Look too normal?

if it's like its normal dvd remotes which it looks like, the numbers are gonna rub off the rubber buttons. plus the buttons look way too small.

[MrDisco]

What's wrong with the remote? Look too normal?

when i saw the remote on another website i was disappointed. the PS is a game console and this remote looks like any other generic sony remote, or in other words there's no style or cohesiveness to link it to the PS brand. now contrast that to the Wii's remote which you can right away tell that it belongs to the Wii. toss a PS remote in a jumble of remotes and they'ld all look the same.

[The Digital Dolphin]

when i saw the remote on another website i was disappointed. the PS is a game console and this remote looks like any other generic sony remote, or in other words there's no style or cohesiveness to link it to the PS brand. now contrast that to the Wii's remote which you can right away tell that it belongs to the Wii. toss a PS remote in a jumble of remotes and they'ld all look the same.

Maybe I'm just not picky enough....

[Marlek]

Grrr... apparently there is no IR receiver on the PS3. Which means I can't integrate it with the rest of my system using my Harmony remote.

Source:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/10/10/5571

[P__S__2]

Check out this post by flipkid, he got enuff!!!! pics of the PS3, even vids of him playing it...

http://www.issforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4341072&highlight=#4341072


(props to flipkid and iss for the pics)

[Driftwood]

Got it preordered in a Brantford EB. Just had to show up 30 mins before opening. :) I had driven past another EB which had quite a line already at 8AM so I didn't bother going there, went to a larger mall location and there was no line at all!

[jerryhussain]

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06421/ps3_fight-night-round-3_1161006892.jpg

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06421/ps3_fight-night-round-3_1161006946.jpg

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06421/ps3_fight-night-round-3_1161006956.jpg

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06421/ps3_fight-night-round-3_1161006965.jpg

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06421/ps3_fight-night-round-3_1161006989.jpg

[infamous.yee]

Fight Night 3 on the PS3 looks the same as the one on the 360 :lol:

[jerryhussain]

Fight Night 3 on the PS3 looks the same as the one on the 360 :lol:
In my opinion it looks better. EA had an extra year of development time for the PS3 version, it if looked exactly same Sony wouldnt have been too happy about it. :cheesygri

[jerryhussain]

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/e17/screenshots/ydl_ps3.jpg (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/)

[sfu_lifer]

In my opinion it looks better. EA had an extra year of development time for the PS3 version, it if looked exactly same Sony wouldnt have been too happy about it. :cheesygri

I agree it looks better. It'll look better on the 360 if they released the next version today :). They had a helluva time getting it to look that good on the PS3.

[joshmxpx]

Found a great deal on anyone looking to pick up a launch ps3:

http://toronto.craigslist.org/ele/221561494.html

You're welcome in advance to anyone who gets this.


Starting already, get ready people....

[masalma]

so i missed the pre-order date, what other method of getting a PS3 do i have other than selling my kidney for one. I am located in the GTA and i dont mind camping.

Thanx

Nas

[AlphaTwo]

so i missed the pre-order date, what other method of getting a PS3 do i have other than selling my kidney for one. I am located in the GTA and i dont mind camping.

Thanx

NasFS/BB/WalMart won't be taking orders as far as we know now, so camping there would work. The question is when do you start camping?

[john widow]

That looks freaky real.

[Raxel]

so does PS3 play SACD (Super-Audio CD)?

[JeiJei]

so does PS3 play SACD (Super-Audio CD)?

Yep. PS3 plays pretty much all formats available in the market except for DVD-audio and HD-DVD.

[Carpe Diem]

Found a great deal on anyone looking to pick up a launch ps3:

http://toronto.craigslist.org/ele/221561494.html

You're welcome in advance to anyone who gets this.


Starting already, get ready people....

This posting has been removed by craigslist community.
That's starting too.

[Supershyguy]

This posting has been removed by craigslist community.
That's starting too.

What was it? lol

[numb555]

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/e17/screenshots/ydl_ps3.jpg (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/)

This is another reason why i'll be getting a PS3, E17(Enlightenment17) is one of the most beautiful Windows managers out there.

[Carpe Diem]

What was it? lol


Not sure...I'm assuming it was outrageous amount for a preorder.

[maggers]

I don't know if any of you have noticed but the pre-order tab in the futureshop website is no longer there. When you you clicked on it before it said check back for more detail later but now it's completely gone. I I hope this doesn't mean that they won't be doing preorders online then.

[rfdghost]

bestbuy is not doing pre-orders period.
futureshop is starting pre-orders on nov.2 unless headoffice cancels it. (in-store only)

[belfour]

I don't know if any of you have noticed but the pre-order tab in the futureshop website is no longer there. When you you clicked on it before it said check back for more detail later but now it's completely gone. I I hope this doesn't mean that they won't be doing preorders online then.

maybe they are getting ready for it to be posted? :D When they do.. it would crash the site..:lol:

[jerryhussain]

http://i11.tinypic.com/2guazjl.jpg

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:twisted: The power and eject are not physical buttons but are thermal sensors :twisted:

[jerryhussain]

Blast Factor

Publisher: Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc.
Developer: Bluepoint Games
Platform: PLAYSTATION®3 system
Genre: Action Arcade
Rating: “RP” for Everyone

OVERVIEW:

Developed by Bluepoint Games, Blast Factor brings together “old school” and “new school” arcade action. Supporting true High Definition (HD) at full 1080p and taking advantage of the PS3™ system’s advanced processing power, Blast Factor delivers a visually stunning experience as gamers work their way through each specimen, cell by cell exploring an all-new world and gameplay experience.

KEY FEATURES:

• Full HD at 1080p – High resolution, high adrenaline arcade action at full 1080p HD.
• Self Adjusting Difficulty – Depending on how well a gamer plays, each cell determines which cell they will face next.
• Integral use of SIXAXIS™ Wireless Controller – Blast Factor takes full advantage of the SIXAXIS wireless controller. By tilting left and right, gamers can push enemies around the play field, but need to be careful as some might enemies not react the as expected.
• Global Online Rankings – Gamers will be able to check their rank versus the world.

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[jerryhussain]

flOw

Publisher: Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc.
Developer: thatgamecompany LLC
Platform: PLAYSTATION®3 system
Genre: Zen
Rating: “RP” for Rating Pending

OVERVIEW:

flOw is the first game ever to come from the university to first-party publishing on a major console. Initially an MFA (Master of Fine Arts) thesis, flOw is a game about piloting an aquatic organism through a surreal biosphere where players consume other organisms, evolve, and advance their organisms down toward the abyss. The stunning graphics and power of PLAYSTATION®3 system set the stage for a truly unique gameplay experience. With an embedded design of DDA (dynamic difficulty adjustment), players with differing skill levels can intuitively customize their game experience and enjoy the game at their own pace. Players can also customize the appearance of their organisms based on gameplay.

KEY FEATURES:

• Full HD at 1080p – Gamers will lose themselves in the crisp “Deep Blue” while encountering surreal ornate organisms.
• Dynamically Adjusting Experience – Players with differing skill levels and/or mood can intuitively customize their game experience and enjoy the game at their own pace.
• Using the SIXAXIS™ WirelessController – Gamers can use the analog thumb stick or take advantage of the SIXAXIS wireless controller motion sensors to glide, flit, and flOw through the universe of flOw.
• Global Online Creature Sharing – Gamers can check on everything from how much they’ve eaten, to how large their creature is, to how they’ve evolved, and much more, then compare it to the rest of the world.

Screenshots:

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[jerryhussain]

Go Sudoku

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Lemmings 2

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[kevin01]

future shop confirmed they will not be doing preorders for the ps3. called and asked.

[joshmxpx]

What was it? lol

It was preorder for ps3 for $3000.

no joke.

[Siefer999]

http://moneybyauction.com/see/article.php?wh=2&id=28
eBay cracks down on PS3 auctions
Added 2006-10-16

With only 400,000 PS3 units at launch for North America for the holiday season, eBay is starting to crack down on the early PS3 auctions. eBay is reinforcing their policy of not allowing sellers to list the PS3 unit on eBay where the seller can not guarantee the item within 30 days of the auction's closing date.

The main contributing factor to the shortage of PS3 for the launch date was the lack of sufficient supplies of the blue laser diode.

Last week, pre-orders for the PS3 unit was sold out within hours leaving many gamers who lined up outside the night before disappointed. The gamers who came out empty handed will now resource to eBay for their last chance to own PS3 before the of 2006.


As we remember from the last's year launch of the Xbox 360, many sellers listed the pre-order consoles on eBay and many of them weren't able to deliver the units to their auction winners in a timely fashion. To avoid anymore bad reputation to the company, eBay has reinforced their policy of not allowing sellers to list PS3 where the seller can not grantee the delivery within 30 days of the closing auction.

eBay has stringent requirements in place for all PS3 console listings. Seller are required to: provide eBay with a copy of their drivers license or other ID, copy of document to show proof of current address, an invoice or receipt showing "proof of purchase", and a written acknowledgement of agreement with eBay's policies.

A recent PS3 search on eBay showed in a high number of PS3 consoles listed on eBay to be removed. Every consoles that were clicked on, message would appear saying something like this: This listing (xxxxxxxxxx) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number. If the listing was removed by eBay, consider it canceled. Note: Listings that have ended more than 90 days ago will no longer appear on eBay.

[sfu_lifer]

Blast factor looks like a ripoff of Geometry Wars (but looks better).
From all verdicts so far, the sixaxis feels cheap and sucky triggers.
Sounds like a last-minute wannabe controller. I do hope they settle with Immersion and just license the friggin' rumble already.

[Neovingian]

Blast factor looks like a ripoff of Geometry Wars (but looks better).
From all verdicts so far, the sixaxis feels cheap and sucky triggers.
Sounds like a last-minute wannabe controller. I do hope they settle with Immersion and just license the friggin' rumble already.

Exactly, what he said!...just settle, we know they've got the money to do so.
Perhaps Sony will pull a tactic what MS did with the original xbox and the controller S? Or an evern crazier tehory is that console is already capable of rumble support and Sony is planning on releasing this at a later date?

[marcopolo85]

Anyone know if their local bestbuy has a demos of ps3 up to play?

Im reading some forums and they have ps3 up in the US bestbuy today

[mart242]

We're 1 month before release and they kept sending units that have old firmware with 1/2 the stuff not working for demos... that doesn't look too good!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738858p1.html

[JayPatel]

EA ANNOUNCES DEF JAM: ICON FOR PLAYSTATION 3 AND XBOX 360 EA Chicago, the Creator of the Acclaimed EA SPORTS Fight Night Franchise, Partners with Def Jam Interactive to Redefine Hip-hop, Music and Fighting Games

REDWOOD CITY, Calif. – October 18, 2006 – Electronic Arts (NASDAQ: ERTS), in partnership with Def Jam Interactive, announced today that DEF JAM: ICON™ will be released for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system and the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system in March 2007 in North America and Europe. Infusing hip-hop music, culture and lifestyle into the gameplay, EA Chicago and urban lifestyle powerhouse Def Jam Interactive, continue to push the boundaries of game development bringing unique and innovative content to the next generation of gaming.

“Music is the cornerstone of hip-hop culture so we wanted to incorporate music and rhythm into the actual gameplay mechanics,” said Kudo Tsunoda, executive producer and General Manager of EA Chicago. “In DEF JAM: ICON, we are changing the way fighting games are played! We are completely innovating the role of the environments in the games, moving from the typical lifeless arenas the hip-hop celebrities are fighting in to environments that play an instrumental part in the fight where they will react to the music and interact with both characters like a third fighter.”

EA Chicago is delivering star-stunning action and bone breaking beats as players live out the life of a hip hop mogul, going from rags to riches. Incorporating hip-hop culture into every aspect of the game, DEF JAM: ICON will deliver the intensity of a no-holds-barred street fight but with style and rhythm. Music will effect how players fight in each venue and environmental interactions and hazards will become a key strategy to staying alive.

EA Chicago’s unique fighting gameplay controls introduce a new way for gamers to fight as they assume the role of top celebrity characters such as Ludacris, T.I. and Big Boi. Innovative controls give better feedback to players so they feel like they’re actually throwing the combat moves. Gamers can now fight with the style and flash of the superstar personalities.

“The Def Jam Interactive – EA relationship has expanded into a new frontier with EA Chicago’s breakthrough technology. We have worked very closely with the team to ensure that authentic hip-hop culture and lifestyle permeates through every part of the product. DEF JAM: ICON will guarantee the ultimate combination of a real hip-hop experience and revolutionary fighting gameplay,” said Lauren Wirtzer, VP Marketing, Def Jam Enterprises.

DEF JAM: ICON is scheduled to ship in March 2007 for the PLAYSTATION®3 system and Xbox 360™. DEF JAM: ICON has not yet been rated by PEGI or the USK.

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[JayPatel]

http://www.ngamerz.com/preview/preview_in.htm?PageSkin=&PRID=P000620

a boatload of 1080p images of Ninja Gaiden Sigma

click on the thumbnails at the top of the article.

[mart242]

http://www.ngamerz.com/preview/preview_in.htm?PageSkin=&PRID=P000620

a boatload of 1080p images of Ninja Gaiden Sigma

click on the thumbnails at the top of the article.


Is it really like that when you play though... or is that the intro to the game or something like that?

[JayPatel]

ughhh.... http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19396

if true, that means when the battery goes toast, you have to buy a new sixaxis if you want to use it as a wireless controller.

[Emancipated]

I think we have found a worthy successor to "all your bases are belong to us" with "becomes the sky". :cheesygri

EDIT: I'm still buying one. (if I'm lucky enough to find one :fawk:)

[sfu_lifer]

ughhh.... http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19396

if true, that means when the battery goes toast, you have to buy a new sixaxis if you want to use it as a wireless controller.
The sixaxis is very poorly designed. I'm willing to bet Sony will release an upgraded version that's more weighty, with Rumble as a pack-in a year after the initial launch.

[ShadowVlican]

they should bring back the boomerang

[sfu_lifer]

they should bring back the boomerang
The sixaxis makes the boomerang feel good. I guess that's the beauty of controllers, you can rework them. Same with crappy firmware. You can update those too. Sixaxis = Xbox1 ginormous controller (i.e. it'll be replaced by a MUCH better official controller later).

[AlphaTwo]

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I really like that one. Is that how cars break down these days?

[ShadowVlican]

I really like that one. Is that how cars break down these days?
lol nice catch, missed it cuz i was too focused on the black dudes fighting:lol:

looks like a samurai cut that car eh :lol:

[NiftyScent]

Anyone know if their local bestbuy has a demos of ps3 up to play?

Im reading some forums and they have ps3 up in the US bestbuy today
I read that too although some dudes are saying it's a lie (because the thread starter didn't take any pictures and people who called their local "high-end section" Best Buy stores denied anything about a PS3 being set up in their stores).

[emacs]

there's some more details of the PS3 and its user interface over at http://www.ps3blogi.fi/ i mirrored some of the content over at http://blog.hinjang.com/ (in English).

[sfu_lifer]

Sony's Xbox live killer presentation is tomorrow.
I hope they're up to the challenge. The Xbox Live Marketplace is laid out poorly, it won't be much of a reach for Sony to beat that.

[Emancipated]

lol nice catch, missed it cuz i was too focused on the black dudes fighting:lol:

looks like a samurai cut that car eh :lol:

You were awe struck by their super hero power as well. When was the last time you saw someone throw a guy like that? Suuuuure.....realism? ha!

[BigBadBoo]

Sony's Xbox live killer presentation is tomorrow.
I hope they're up to the challenge. The Xbox Live Marketplace is laid out poorly, it won't be much of a reach for Sony to beat that.

Yes, since its so easy to design something like that. (where is the eye rolling emoticon)

[jerryhussain]

New information from Sony's Gamer's Day event:

Package includes AC cord, USB mini-cable, ethernet cable, Multi-AV cable with composite connectors.
Launch PS3s are bundled with Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby
21 Launch Titles
- Genji: Days of the Blade
- NBA 07
- Resistance: Fall of Man
- Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
- Call of Duty 3
- EA Sports Fight Night Round 3
- The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion
- F.E.A.R.
- Full Auto 2 Battlelines
- Madden NFL 07
- Marvel Ultimate Alliance
- Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
- NBA 2K7
- NHL 2K7
- Untold Legends Dark Kingdom
- Ridge Racer 7
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Need for Speed Carbon
- Tony Hawk's Project 8
- Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
SIXAXIS Controller - $49.99
PS3 HDMI Cable - $49.99
First Party Titles - $59.99
PS3 Memory Card Adapter - $14.99
Blu-Ray Disc Remote - $24.99
PlayStation Network - Online gaming is FREE. MotorStorm demo on launch, expect demos, contents to be updated frequently.
You can stream content from PS3 to your PSP, possible from any hotspot in the world
PS1 downloadable games, can be played on PSP and in future playable on PS3. Arcade games such as Blast Factor and Criminal Crackdown (David Jaffe) showcased. Priced to be $14.99 and under. The games that are downloaded can be played on up to 5 additional PS3s so you can share with your friends.

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[koncise]

I'm so pumped that it comes with Talladega Nights Blu-Ray... hillarious movie, I loved it... also super happy to here that the motorstorm demo will be available on launch. Obviously I'd rather have the full game, but meh, this will do!

[jerryhussain]

CRIMINAL CRACKDOWN
(David Jaffe, Lead of God of War series)
(Arcade, 1080p, 60fps)

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[jerryhussain]

flOw
(Arcade)

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[jerryhussain]

Rainbow Six: Las Vegas
(Launch Title)

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[jerryhussain]

WarHawk


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[jerryhussain]

MotorStorm
(December)

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[jerryhussain]

Formula One Championship Edition

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[jerryhussain]

RESISTANCE: FALL OF MAN

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[sfu_lifer]

Wow. A packed in Blu-Ray movie.
What I really want to know is which games are launching? The 21 titles are in that 6 week launch "window".
Man $60US for a first party Sony title. OUCH.

[jerryhussain]

LAIR

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[Emancipated]

Those graphics should persuade anyone who's been fence sitting. Personally, I've seen some game play of F1 Champion Edition and it's everything I have hoped for in a racer. Can't wait for this, but my wallet is going to feel it.

[sfu_lifer]

Those graphics should persuade anyone who's been fence sitting. Personally, I've seen some game play of F1 Champion Edition and it's everything I have hoped for in a racer. Can't wait for this, but my wallet is going to feel it.

Those are realtime FMV's/replay shots. The actual gameplay shots are worse.
I've never been an F1 fan so I'll wait for GT5+MGS4+FFXIII then get a PS3.
$699+tax with one crappy suckasses controller with no game is a pretty significant hit on the wallet.

[mart242]

Those are realtime FMV's/replay shots. The actual gameplay shots are worse.

Gameplay shots are what I'd really like to see... >:(

[jerryhussain]

Gameplay shots are what I'd really like to see... >:(
Warhawk, Lair, R6:Vegas, Resistance are all gameplay shots.

[sfu_lifer]

Warhawk, Lair, R6:Vegas, Resistance are all gameplay shots.
I read most of those Lair shots are not actual gameplay. It's more like an in-game transition to gameplay. Sure rendered realtime but you're not controlling the dragon at that point.
I love the free online play though. I still don't see how Sony can afford to subsidize this. That network infrastructure has to be paid for somehow and there are a few ways they can make money:
1. Collect everything you do and sell that information to others (basically everytime you use your browser, what you browse to, etc)
2. In-game advertising (I don't mind that)
3. The nickel and dime method
If it's just 2&3, that beats paying MS $50 for Live.

[IVNP]

Well they could always try to sell mods like items and stuff for the game like Xbox live does.^^ Alot of free MMO do do that now.(well the Asian side anyway.)

[belfour]

updated info on FS

[AlphaTwo]

Here's that PS3 NBA2k7 gif I was looking for:
http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/3c238a2981.gif

[Ch28]

Here's that PS3 NBA2k7 gif I was looking for:
http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/3c238a2981.gif

Is it just me or do any of you feel that he looks stupid using it that way?

[ShadowVlican]

Here's that PS3 NBA2k7 gif I was looking for:
http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/3c238a2981.gif
is he holding the Wii remote? ;)

[ATLien69]

So now they are "uncertain" of getting 400,000 console out to North America...I just hope no one gets killed on the 17th b/c of PS3 shortages. :)

Link: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740720p1.html

[Emancipated]

Here's that PS3 NBA2k7 gif I was looking for:
http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/3c238a2981.gif

Is that a mock up? Satire? Why didn't Sony just include a sensor that gets worn on the wrist if they want motion detection. Doing that looks completely and utterly unintuitive.

[john widow]

That's the stupidest thing, I'd feel embarassed to play a game where I had to shoot like that to that in a game. I hope wii doesn't make me feel dumb when I'm whirling around a controller....same with sixaxis, I don't see how important it is...it's just to help feel different.

[Fantaz]

LAIR

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Wow, I can't believe those are gameplay shots. Simply stunning!

[Fantaz]

Hey, anyone notice all these Playstation 3 advertisings posted all over the TTC at Eglinton station? The marketing seems to be going full force.

[Ch28]

Hey, anyone notice all these Playstation 3 advertisings posted all over the TTC at Eglinton station? The marketing seems to be going full force.

They could use all the advertising they can get.

[sfu_lifer]

They could use all the advertising they can get.
The problem is customer backlash since they don't have enough units.
They already sold out as it is w/o doing any advertising.
And finally saw a gameplay video of Lair. Pretty amazing if they can deliver a fun gameplay that doesn't get boring.
And all the video I've seen of the Suxasses are retards that are moving like your 5 year old brother playing video games (and the action on-screen is lagging behind the movements).

[bleeet]

Hey, anyone notice all these Playstation 3 advertisings posted all over the TTC at Eglinton station? The marketing seems to be going full force.
there is a huge poster downtown in the clubing district it's been there for a month or so now

[AlphaTwo]

Is that a mock up? Satire? Why didn't Sony just include a sensor that gets worn on the wrist if they want motion detection. Doing that looks completely and utterly unintuitive.The exact control scheme that has been mentioned in NBA 2K7:

While you are playing the game, it's probably going to be both hands on both sides of the controller, so passign will be done by you moving the controller in a similar fashion (push forward, angle, velocity would be emulated in game). If a defender is on you and you want to shake him loose, you can shake the controller to do so. The last one (which the image was mocking up), was the Free Throw mechanics.

Here's the good news: It's optional.

[Nacster]

The people over at IGN unwrap their PS3..Lucky Guys >:(

Link: http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/741/741368/imgs_1.html

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[x-batman]

So now they are "uncertain" of getting 400,000 console out to North America...I just hope no one gets killed on the 17th b/c of PS3 shortages. :)

Link: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740720p1.html

OMG I hope thats not true... I paid for my preorder in full at Zellers and was 2nd on the list, I better get it that day or else for SONY :twisted:

[bleeet]

OMG I hope thats not true... I paid for my preorder in full at Zellers and was 2nd on the list, I better get it that day or else for SONY :twisted:
to tell you the truth i think being 2nd or whatever ain't going to matter....it most likely will be first come first serve with picking up your system. If they happen to run out before you get there then it they would prob say "wait untill next shipment" if they get less then expected.

[AlphaTwo]

As posted in the Wii Preorder thread: Walmart numbers are out:

Each store range from 3-50 units. Chainwide, Walmart will have 5000 on first day.

[bleeet]

As posted in the Wii Preorder thread: Walmart numbers are out:

Each store range from 3-50 units. Chainwide, Walmart will have 5000 on first day.now if we could find out the amount that each location

[mark_in_2k]

The people over at IGN unwrap their PS3..Lucky Guys >:(

Link: http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/741/741368/imgs_1.html

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/741/741368/playstation-3-unwrapped-20061024090250511.jpgThat looks like a UK plug on the end of the powercord. I guess it's IGN Europe that got it?? Strange considering it's not out there till next year?

I also like the irony of $ony giving them a crappy composite cable to usher in the "true era of HD gaming"!!

[mart242]

That looks like a UK plug on the end of the powercord. I guess it's IGN Europe that got it?? Strange considering it's not out there till next year?

I also like the irony of $ony giving them a crappy composite cable to usher in the "true era of HD gaming"!!

Yup. IGN UK. As for why they have it before north america, I don't know...

[corcoran_chris]

Im trying to figure out what is the extra cord...I see the USB charging cable for the controller, composite cables, LAN cable, power cable...what is the extra peice of crapshit?

[vonteego]

That looks like a UK plug on the end of the powercord. I guess it's IGN Europe that got it?? Strange considering it's not out there till next year?

I also like the irony of $ony giving them a crappy composite cable to usher in the "true era of HD gaming"!!

ROFL ^ I think I mentioned that in the xbox360 thread - Sony's huge hoopla over this being the HD era, Blu-Ray is 1080p, etc, and they go and include a crappy composite cable. GO figure!!!!!!

[Fantaz]

The people over at IGN unwrap their PS3..Lucky Guys >:(

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/741/741368/playstation-3-unwrapped-20061024090308870.jpg

Wha?! Those are burned games I see? This must mean you don't even need a mod chip to play BD-R burnt games! :D

[Carpe Diem]

Im trying to figure out what is the extra cord...I see the USB charging cable for the controller, composite cables, LAN cable, power cable...what is the extra peice of crapshit?

Could be some kind of N.America to UK power converter cable.

[john widow]

They already have burned ps3 games!? Is ps3 happy about this?
Is that an optical output I see? Or is that a digital out? I think it says digital...

[Furkmyster]

They already have burned ps3 games!? Is ps3 happy about this?
Is that an optical output I see? Or is that a digital out? I think it says digital...

The digital output shown is an optical out.

[ShadowVlican]

what's with the burned games?

if that's reality, then PS3 just got a lot more attractive ;)

[AlphaTwo]

what's with the burned games?

if that's reality, then PS3 just got a lot more attractive ;)Review sites always get Test Kits to play Preview games, which are obviously stored on BR-R disks. This is no different than how the 360, the XBOX and the PS2 worked for preview copies.

So unless you get your hands on a Dev Kit or Test Kit, don't expect that to work out of the box.

[tonychau]

Sony PS3 Commercials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFkH8bdKi4g



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIic2odNqs

[x-batman]

what's with the burned games?

if that's reality, then PS3 just got a lot more attractive ;)

The burned games and the PS3 shown are samples from SONY themselves, the unit sent most likely dont have protection while the PS3's that will be selling in stores will have

[jerryhussain]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061026/psn01.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061026/psn03.jpg

[ledorky]

Gotta hand it to Sony's designers.
They KNOW how to make things look great.

Live looks nerdy and boring in comparison. MS really needs to get off that nasty green fetish.

Still, after what Sony did to Lik-Sang, I'm gonna hold that over their games division for a loooooong time.

[Alvito]

i like the ps3 commericals, they are well done.

[AlphaTwo]

i like the ps3 commericals, they are well done.

Then there are the real TV ads, which are terrible:

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7119

[ledorky]

Wow. I got his off Kotaku but watch the difference between when she's holding a barrel and when she's equipped with a sword :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQhF_b5FQ_A&eurl=

Another title to avoid PS3 launch: Untold Legends.
Seriously, Sony should just cut their losses with that developer. They've turned out 3 straight turd titles in a row.

[jerryhussain]

http://i14.tinypic.com/2vb7gop.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/3z6t5sj.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://i13.tinypic.com/2v0h2dv.jpg http://i13.tinypic.com/48xqsxw.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/43nghoj.jpg http://i14.tinypic.com/48z08xh.jpg

[ShadowVlican]

those are some slick looking screenies there jerryhussain

[jerryhussain]

http://i13.tinypic.com/2co28wh.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/4h9ya8m.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/33cpwlz.jpg

[marcXcore]

Can someone confirm this for me?

Sources from both Best Buy and Futureshop tell me that they will be making imprints or placing marks on PS3 console boxes they sell to help identify them on eBay if, and when, they are put up for auction. Soon after, they will take further action in order to cancel your sale or hold your account all together.

Now, this seems completely outrageous, but I'm thinking this may only apply to their employees who buy the console? It's just a little unbelievable that they would go to such lengths to prevent someone from making a profit from the PS3. Also, what do you think they plan on telling eBay? "Hey, these guys are making money off of a console we sold them. Please end their auction and suspend their account." lol

I just don't know what to make of it, really.

[AlphaTwo]

Can someone confirm this for me?

Sources from both Best Buy and Futureshop tell me that they will be making imprints or placing marks on PS3 console boxes they sell to help identify them on eBay if, and when, they are put up for auction. Soon after, they will take further action in order to cancel your sale or hold your account all together.

Now, this seems completely outrageous, but I'm thinking this may only apply to their employees who buy the console? It's just a little unbelievable that they would go to such lengths to prevent someone from making a profit from the PS3. Also, what do you think they plan on telling eBay? "Hey, these guys are making money off of a console we sold them. Please end their auction and suspend their account." lol

I just don't know what to make of it, really.Err what? If I walk into a store, buy one. Then sell it, what cancel can they do? What account are they holding?

What if I didn't like the system and wanted to sell it?

Seems like an urban legend trying to scare people who are trying to profit off of it.

[marcXcore]

Err what? If I walk into a store, buy one. Then sell it, what cancel can they do? What account are they holding?

What if I didn't like the system and wanted to sell it?

Seems like an urban legend trying to scare people who are trying to profit off of it.

Agreed.
I used to work at BB not too long ago. I walked in there today and asked about launch, and all I got was a bunch of BS about how I shouldn't buy one because they'll track it if I ever try to sell it.

Right.

Kiss my ass Best Buy.

[sfu_lifer]

Found out this fact, the PS3 will consume as much power as your PC :cheesygri

"With the Playstation 3 launch just around the corner, Sony has released further information about the next gen console. The PS3 is a power hug and consumes around 380 watts of power more than double the Xbox 360's 160 watts and eight times the PS2's nimble 45 watts. So spending an average of 4 hours a day on the machine will add approx $ 80 to your yearly power bill. Coming to the files supported included in the list are MPEG-2 (PS and TS), MPEG-1, H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC / SP video formats and MP3, ATRAC (but of course), AAC, WAV audio formats. Also supported are various image formats like JPEG, BMP, TIFF, GIF and PNG. The optical drive in addition to BD-ROM games can read BD video, BD-R/RE, DVD±R/RW (VR-Modes also supported), Music CD's, SACD along with support for AVCHD media."

Imagine leaving that on 24x7 for downloading content etc. Looks like the PS3 is premium on everything incl your electric bill.

[WillTheKid]

I have a 500w power supply in my computer but actual use would never get that high, even if I had everything running at full load since I don't have too many components in the system. The 380w quoted is the maximum rated usage (calculated by the rated amps x voltage I believe), which would rarely if ever be the case. FWIW the Xbox 360 would have a 500w rating by using the same calculation, but the typical actual usage is much lower of course. The same will be true for PS3 no doubt.

[sfu_lifer]

I have a 500w power supply in my computer but actual use would never get that high, even if I had everything running at full load since I don't have too many components in the system. The 380w quoted is the maximum rated usage (calculated by the rated amps x voltage I believe), which would rarely if ever be the case. FWIW the Xbox 360 would have a 500w rating by using the same calculation, but the typical actual usage is much lower of course. The same will be true for PS3 no doubt.
No the 360 PSU is rated at 203W max. I just checked my ginormous brick. And I know someone developing on the PS3, it runs quite hot compared to the 360 units. Yes these are debug units but the 360 debug units did not run this hot either. And the Wii is even more of a miser power wise. You can leave it on and it'll download updates using a minute amount of power. To be fair though, the PSU is completely enclosed in the PS3 while the 360's is a HUGE eyesore. But then again, the PS3 is larger than the Xbox 1 :D

[JeiJei]

No the 360 PSU is rated at 203W max. I just checked my ginormous brick. And I know someone developing on the PS3, it runs quite hot compared to the 360 units. Yes these are debug units but the 360 debug units did not run this hot either. And the Wii is even more of a miser power wise. You can leave it on and it'll download updates using a minute amount of power. To be fair though, the PSU is completely enclosed in the PS3 while the 360's is a HUGE eyesore. But then again, the PS3 is larger than the Xbox 1 :D

Anyway... if you can't afford paying 6 bucks for electricity a month (that was calculated by playing 4hrs a day, every single day of the month on "constant" 380w usage) to play PS3, chances are, you can't afford even an old nintendo...

and 380w is max... there's no way the console will use 380w constantly.

At least from all current reports, PS3 produces much less noise than 360, and NOISE is something that really bothers.

[UNiON]

this is what its come down to...complaining about how much power it uses...get a life people.

[Mike71]

Does anyone have a list of exactly what games will be available at launch?

[jerryhussain]

Does anyone have a list of exactly what games will be available at launch?
Here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4042790&postcount=1652).

[Fantaz]

Ok I have absolutely no idea idea how I'm going to find 2 PS3 units at launch, but I'm going to have to try really hard. It's going to be one crazy RFD race!

[Shuzzy]

Ok I have absolutely no idea idea how I'm going to find 2 PS3 units at launch, but I'm going to have to try really hard. It's going to be one crazy RFD race!

be ready to shell out some serious cash. these things are going to be a hot item and a lot of people are going to try and make money of them. :-0

[nfnx]

well whose waiting in line at launch? do u kno how many they'll have at any given store?

[CDNPatriot]

selling for $3000 on ebay wonder if the price will drop on the 17th?

[Truemana]

Anyway... if you can't afford paying 6 bucks for electricity a month (that was calculated by playing 4hrs a day, every single day of the month on "constant" 380w usage) to play PS3, chances are, you can't afford even an old nintendo...

and 380w is max... there's no way the console will use 380w constantly.

At least from all current reports, PS3 produces much less noise than 360, and NOISE is something that really bothers.

Just another reason PS3 keeners are buying a PS3; because they will follow everything Sony says that "it's worth it"

Seriously, how much is this machine going to cost you just to play on average? $600 for the machine, plus $70 per game, $50 per controller, $ for every accessory and however much they charge to buy each car in Gran Tourismo (that's if you even get your hands on one on release day and don't have to pay the extra 100% on ebay).

Maybe it's only $6 a month but clearly Sony has done something right if after all the crap it's pulled with supply and extra costs. It still has die-hard fans who will give their right leg and half a testicle for a machine that pretty much promises to get you laid.

Why can't some fans just accept Sony just isn't putting out the best idea this time around?

Reminds me of me when I bought my Gamecube on release day.

[koncise]

Why can't some fans just accept Sony just isn't putting out the best idea this time around?

Reminds me of me when I bought my Gamecube on release day.

What exactly is the best idea? releasing a next-gen console with a dvd-drive only to charge $200 for an hddvd add-on (and only for movies, not games, mind you)... making the price equal to the ps3?

The price is fair... deal with it. You're getting a blu-ray player for 1/2 the price of most in stores right now... and a next gen console on the side.

[JeiJei]

Just another reason PS3 keeners are buying a PS3; because they will follow everything Sony says that "it's worth it"

Seriously, how much is this machine going to cost you just to play on average? $600 for the machine, plus $70 per game, $50 per controller, $ for every accessory and however much they charge to buy each car in Gran Tourismo (that's if you even get your hands on one on release day and don't have to pay the extra 100% on ebay).

Maybe it's only $6 a month but clearly Sony has done something right if after all the crap it's pulled with supply and extra costs. It still has die-hard fans who will give their right leg and half a testicle for a machine that pretty much promises to get you laid.

Why can't some fans just accept Sony just isn't putting out the best idea this time around?

Reminds me of me when I bought my Gamecube on release day.

But that's the way it is... do you expect them to sell you a fully powered next-gen console with unlimited game shipped to your door, 7 joypads, 2 G25 driving wheels and plus free accesories as mail-in-rebates for $199 a pop?!

No console company get anywhere close to that... they are businesses and they are out to make money.. M$ rushed with its 360, and now has to keep up with add-ons.. isn't that money as well? and 360/Wii's games also sell around 50 bucks if not more.. and M$'s don't sell you a full game either... with all the microtransaction going on, soon you will see games with countless accessories consting you thousands of points... the case in GT HD, I think it's fine.. it leaves you space to expande your gaming experience and give motivation for devs to keep working on new stuff.. I see nothing wrong with it.

I personally think PS3 is great value if you are considering getting into HD era.

Comparing what M$ and Nintendo have to offer, $ony has done a great job.

[jerryhussain]

What exactly is the best idea? releasing a next-gen console with a dvd-drive only to charge $200 for an hddvd add-on (and only for movies, not games, mind you)... making the price equal to the ps3?
The hole in your argument is that the add-on is optional. At the end of the day, 360 is $200US cheaper than the PS3.

The price is fair... deal with it. You're getting a blu-ray player for 1/2 the price of most in stores right now... and a next gen console on the side.
Blu-ray is Sony's format, they could have priced their Blu-ray players at $2000 and sold the PS3 at $1000 saying "Look at the value! you are getting a blu-ray player for 1/2 the price". :lol:

[joshmxpx]

The hole in your argument is that the add-on is optional. At the end of the day, 360 is $200US cheaper than the PS3.


Blu-ray is Sony's format, they could have priced their Blu-ray players at $2000 and sold the PS3 at $1000 saying "Look at the value! you are getting a blu-ray player for 1/2 the price". :lol:


Good arguments. The problem with the whole "half-price bluray player" is that blu-ray is not even a tried and tested format yet and many people are satidfied with dvd at the moment. The average consumer is not that tech knowledgable and probably couldn't care less about 1080p and the like.

DVD is still good for a couple years and can be upconverted to 1080p anyway, so there is no big need for br or hd-dvd yet. The way ms is doing it is much better, giving consumers the option of the capabilities. Sony should have released a much cheaper version without br and one with.

Now everyone will probably say that the storage capacity of br makes it worth it, but Sony is just pressuring companies to use the full capabilities of the discs and running everything uncompressed so that they can justify the extra space needed.

[BigBadBoo]

But that's the way it is... do you expect them to sell you a fully powered next-gen console with unlimited game shipped to your door, 7 joypads, 2 G25 driving wheels and plus free accesories as mail-in-rebates for $199 a pop?!

No console company get anywhere close to that... they are businesses and they are out to make money.. M$ rushed with its 360, and now has to keep up with add-ons.. isn't that money as well? and 360/Wii's games also sell around 50 bucks if not more.. and M$'s don't sell you a full game either... with all the microtransaction going on, soon you will see games with countless accessories consting you thousands of points... the case in GT HD, I think it's fine.. it leaves you space to expande your gaming experience and give motivation for devs to keep working on new stuff.. I see nothing wrong with it.

I personally think PS3 is great value if you are considering getting into HD era.

Comparing what M$ and Nintendo have to offer, $ony has done a great job.

Dude please, you sound like a Sony-fanboy. Ironically, during the last gen, everyone knocked on MS (including Sony) for trying do exactly what Sony is doing now (hard drive, internet, more power, etc).

Anyway while I think Sony's price range is not bad for what you get, I still dont think what you get is what is needed now. If you cant see that Sony is trying to shovel the Blu-ray down everyone's throat then you're hopeless in this argument. Just go watch their dumbass ads.

[koncise]

I think you guys missed my point.... I was trying to say that for everyone that DOES want EVERYTHING the ps3 offers, such as a blu-ray player (which if u have an HDTV you cant compare to normal or upconverted dvd)... THEN it is a VERY fair price.

if u dont want all the bells and whistles, get an xbox360.... you still get your barebones next-gen system at are lower price, problem solved.

And obviously this is just difference of opinions, but i think that MS offering that HDDVD add-on is beyond gay... the reason is that these new consoles are designed to be part of complete entertainment systems, and I think its utterly stupid to have an external drive sitting next to your console... its just beyond tacky....

so to re-state.. either u want everything the ps3 has (such as i do), then you're getting a good deal... or you dont, so you should just get a 360.... of course the 3rd option is that you want the ps3 but cant afford, but thats life...

i want a porsche... but sadly, cant afford it.

p.s. blu-ray has 70% for the major movie studio's backing it... it WILL win the high definition dvd format war... you can quote me a year or 2 from now on that one :)

[koncise]

If you cant see that Sony is trying to shovel the Blu-ray down everyone's throat then you're hopeless in this argument. Just go watch their dumbass ads.


Of course they are... and when millions of households have blu-ray players in them next year, it'll be another reason why blu-ray will win the war

[rc51]

Of course they are... and when millions of households have blu-ray players in them next year, it'll be another reason why blu-ray will win the war

Millions of households don't even have HD capable displays, let alone DVD players, why would they adopt BR???

[AlphaTwo]

Of course they are... and when millions of households have blu-ray players in them next year, it'll be another reason why blu-ray will win the warYou are assuming Sony can ship "Millions" of PS3s first. :cheesygri

[koncise]

Millions of households don't even have HD capable displays, let alone DVD players, why would they adopt BR???

because they want a ps3... duh

[koncise]

You are assuming Sony can ship "Millions" of PS3s first. :cheesygri

haha, true.. but that's why i said next year :D im sure by the end of 2007, millions of ps3's will be sold

[marcopolo85]

OP should change thread title. The RSX is not downgraded. Its based on the G71 which is the exact specs that were stated in E3 2005.

[Mike71]

The PS3 can use any standard HDMI cable right? Future shop appears to be trying to hock one that is specially for the PS3 for $69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10082075&catid=24673

I was just going to buy a cheaper one from monoprice.com and that should do the trick right?

[bmaz]

The PS3 can use any standard HDMI cable right? Future shop appears to be trying to hock one that is specially for the PS3 for $69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10082075&catid=24673

I was just going to buy a cheaper one from monoprice.com and that should do the trick right?
Yes it's a standard HDMI cable.

[ledorky]

Everyone knows the real profit is gained from accessories. Stores don't make any (if at all) money on the hardware and games. So go to eBay for your accessory needs :cheesygri
I think Blu-Ray is stop-gap at best (so is HD-DVD). The real moneymaker/convenience 4 years from now when we'll forget about all our purchases discs is subscription-based HD movie services. First one to market with this will essentially win this war. Both the 360 and the PS3 can do this and both have portable formats that can take advantage of the situation (zune and the PSP).
I can't wait for this part. As much as I like having the discs on hand, it is getting cluttered around me and I'd prefer the freedom of choosing what I want to play over owning these discs that I'll watch at most 5 times over my lifetime.

[jerryhussain]

OP should change thread title. The RSX is not downgraded. Its based on the G71 which is the exact specs that were stated in E3 2005.
Devs have already acknowledged that it was downgraded from 550MHz to 500MHz. It was discussed/posted a while back in this thread.

And obviously this is just difference of opinions, but i think that MS offering that HDDVD add-on is beyond gay... the reason is that these new consoles are designed to be part of complete entertainment systems, and I think its utterly stupid to have an external drive sitting next to your console... its just beyond tacky....
Both Microsoft and Nintendo thought that the DVD format would be fine for gaming in the next 5 years and including an unproven format which is likely to increase the cost of the console by a huge margin was not worth it. While the opinion of Sony is even more mixed, add everything what their competitor seems to be doing; motion sensing, online play, virtual console ..

[sfu_lifer]

Devs have already acknowledged that it was downgraded from 550MHz to 500MHz. It was discussed/posted a while back in this thread.


Both Microsoft and Nintendo thought that the DVD format would be fine for gaming in the next 5 years and including an unproven format which is likely to increase the cost of the console by a huge margin was not worth it. While the opinion of Sony is even more mixed, add everything what their competitor seems to be doing; motion sensing, online play, virtual console ..
BTW, at 1080p, that 60GB is NOT gonna be enough in 5 years. You'll be deleting content just like those of us with 360s. You WILL be either filesharing with your computer or have an external USB drive hooked up to your PS3. So get used to an add-on further uglifying that shiny new George Foreman grill :lol:

[AlphaTwo]

BTW, at 1080p, that 60GB is NOT gonna be enough in 5 years. You'll be deleting content just like those of us with 360s. You WILL be either filesharing with your computer or have an external USB drive hooked up to your PS3. So get used to an add-on further uglifying that shiny new George Foreman grill :lol:

Here's some fun news that works in your favour: Genji 2 and Ridge Racer 7 both have an optional installation caching ability to reduce load times.

Genji uses it to cut down loading time from 15 seconds to 4 seconds, all it takes is 4GB of your hard drive.

Ridge Racer, on the other hand, will ask for 5GB of space to cache in track and music data to speed up the loading process.

So much for the 20GB as being "not gimped".

[kevin01]

BTW, at 1080p, that 60GB is NOT gonna be enough in 5 years. You'll be deleting content just like those of us with 360s. You WILL be either filesharing with your computer or have an external USB drive hooked up to your PS3. So get used to an add-on further uglifying that shiny new George Foreman grill :lol:

you can attatch your own harddrive.

[ledorky]

you can attatch your own harddrive.
We'll see if that's the case. Laptop HDs are still quite pricey nowadays.
I'm not holding my breath just like the Linux promise. I doubt you can install whatever the hell you want on that distro without their say-so.

[go leafs]

NHL 2k7... ouch! maybe the PS2 and PS3 discs got switched :D


http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/744/744089/nhl-2k7-images-20061103071038669.jpg

[TheGame]

that pic has to be from an early build of the game... I doubt it's recent
if it is, that is sad

[go leafs]

that pic has to be from an early build of the game... I doubt it's recent
if it is, that is sad

well it was posted November 3 by IGN
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/815/815877/imgs_1.html

[ledorky]

well it was posted November 3 by IGN
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/815/815877/imgs_1.html
It's the 2k7 folks. Graphically they suck, just like NBA2K7.
A better comparison would be EA's stuff. Cos that's the graphically superior series. Unfort, they're 360 ports so they're equal graphically.

[JayPatel]

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B6225D989-03AC-49F7-83B6-4A64618CDE06%7D/01archdisc.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B6225D989-03AC-49F7-83B6-4A64618CDE06%7D/06churchcropped.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B6225D989-03AC-49F7-83B6-4A64618CDE06%7D/07equipped.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B6225D989-03AC-49F7-83B6-4A64618CDE06%7D/10hospital.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B6225D989-03AC-49F7-83B6-4A64618CDE06%7D/09harbour.jpg

http://www.gameinformer.com/images/media/%7B6225D989-03AC-49F7-83B6-4A64618CDE06%7D/16residence.jpg

[coreanbbq]

Lol, don't blame the console, blame the developer.

[AlphaTwo]

Lol, don't blame the console, blame the developer.Agreed.

But then again, was people expecting actual improvements when it comes to 360 -> PS3 cross porting?

[ledorky]

Agreed.

But then again, was people expecting actual improvements when it comes to 360 -> PS3 cross porting?
I guess people are (see Fight Night and Oblivion).

[sfu_lifer]

Jade Raymond, producer of Assassin's Creed :D :
http://www.nlgaming.com/games/3893/ps3/JadeRaymond.jpg

[cmge]

Jade Raymond, producer of Assassin's Creed :D :
http://www.nlgaming.com/games/3893/ps3/JadeRaymond.jpg

HAWT!

[Paranoidandroid]

NHL 2k7... ouch! maybe the PS2 and PS3 discs got switched :D


http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/744/744089/nhl-2k7-images-20061103071038669.jpg

*looks at the crowd* Why aren't the triplets sitting together?

[Geologic]

*looks at the crowd* Why aren't the triplets sitting together?

They are actually all over the crowd, I count atleast 10. :lol:

[jonkaho]

Jade Raymond, producer of Assassin's Creed :D :
http://www.nlgaming.com/games/3893/ps3/JadeRaymond.jpg


for sure a hottie!

[Sgt_Strider]

Jade Raymond, producer of Assassin's Creed :D :
http://www.nlgaming.com/games/3893/ps3/JadeRaymond.jpg

Wow, I didn't know there are hot girls producing games.

[x-batman]

Gotta question, is Sony coming out with a VGA connector for the ps3? I just bought the VGA connector for my xbox 360 and games look amazing on my LCD, I want to play my ps3 when I get it on my LCD as well (I dont have a HDTV, but using VGA for the xbox 360 looks better than HDTV on my LCD)

[sfu_lifer]

Gotta question, is Sony coming out with a VGA connector for the ps3? I just bought the VGA connector for my xbox 360 and games look amazing on my LCD, I want to play my ps3 when I get it on my LCD as well (I dont have a HDTV, but using VGA for the xbox 360 looks better than HDTV on my LCD)

Why not use HDMI? Pic quality will be better than VGA since HDMI is digital.

[veejam]

more pics of that hot producer please! she looks mixed.

[jb22]

Why not use HDMI? Pic quality will be better than VGA since HDMI is digital.

I would assume he is talking about an LCD monitor ment for use with a PC, so I doubt he has the option of using HDMI directly.

If he has DVI, then he might be able to use a HDMI to DVI converter, but this brings up the question if blue-ray movies will still work via regular DVI that's lacking HDCP support? I'm not sure if SOny would cripple the signal or limit it's output if you weren't suing a display that supported HDCP.

[JeiJei]

I would assume he is talking about an LCD monitor ment for use with a PC, so I doubt he has the option of using HDMI directly.

If he has DVI, then he might be able to use a HDMI to DVI converter, but this brings up the question if blue-ray movies will still work via regular DVI that's lacking HDCP support? I'm not sure if SOny would cripple the signal or limit it's output if you weren't suing a display that supported HDCP.

A DVI-HDMI cable should work. Haven't heard any game with HDCP protection so far. So, that would work.

As far as movie goes, it's really up to what monitor you have... newer Dell's widescreens all support HDCP and there's a new Benq coming out with a HDMI built-in (with HDCP support of course).

And without HDCP support on a monitor, even a VGA cable is useless.

[Taiphun]

Gotta question, is Sony coming out with a VGA connector for the ps3?

There are no plans to have VGA out on the PS3:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/15-interesting-facts-about-the-ps3/

[ledorky]

more pics of that hot producer please! she looks mixed.
Well not as eye-pleasing as that first shot but here ya go (just GIS for her):
http://media.g4tv.com/images/imagedb2/229/22955_L.jpg

She looks tired on this one:
http://www.elecplay.com/screenshots/features/e32006/e3d2_04.JPG

For your complete stalker needs:
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2581

[joshmxpx]

I guess people are (see Fight Night and Oblivion).

fight nights not really a port, though, wasn't it developed by a different developer than the 360 version?

[sfu_lifer]

fight nights not really a port, though, wasn't it developed by a different developer than the 360 version?

It's still a port of the 360 code. EA is trying to share code between teams now. The Chicago team did the 360 and this one was EA Vancouver.

[rfdghost]

question, is sony offering extended warranty plans like microsoft does with the 360, or do i have to go to a bestbuy or futureshop to get a warranty with my console?

[sfu_lifer]

question, is sony offering extended warranty plans like microsoft does with the 360, or do i have to go to a bestbuy or futureshop to get a warranty with my console?

I haven't heard anything yet.
OH BTW, do NOT get the tard pack. You will be running out of HD space in no time since most of the initial launch games are installing stuff onto your HD. Ridge Racer alone takes 4GB(!!). This is why Sony made the HD mandatory. The Blu-Ray drive just can't keep up.

[AlphaTwo]

I haven't heard anything yet.
OH BTW, do NOT get the tard pack. You will be running out of HD space in no time since most of the initial launch games are installing stuff onto your HD. Ridge Racer alone takes 4GB(!!). This is why Sony made the HD mandatory. The Blu-Ray drive just can't keep up.But Both Geniji 2 and Ridge Racer 7 installs are optional.

NBA07, on the other hand:
Looks like NBA 07 installs, and also looks like you dont have a choice about it.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9127/installny6.jpg
Kinda hard to read, but it says "NBA 07 will install data to the HDD while you are in the user interface to improve load times".

[sfu_lifer]

But Both Geniji 2 and Ridge Racer 7 installs are optional.

NBA07, on the other hand:

"Optional" or else wait for UMD level loadtimes ;)
My contact works with the PS3 and they hate the Blu-Ray drive when it comes time to test the loads. It's a slow SOB since it has to work with so much data. I've been told intelligent caching to the HD is a must until everyone gets a handle on getting some better compression techniques which Sony isn't exactly promoting.

[AlphaTwo]

"Optional" or else wait for UMD level loadtimes ;)
My contact works with the PS3 and they hate the Blu-Ray drive when it comes time to test the loads. It's a slow SOB since it has to work with so much data. I've been told intelligent caching to the HD is a must until everyone gets a handle on getting some better compression techniques which Sony isn't exactly promoting.

Oh I agree. I'm just going to take the Sony Fanboy hardline in regards to this "optional" install. Cutting down 15sec to 4sec is not optional. It's downright stupid if you don't install in that case.

Ditto to the PS3 contacts. I've heard similar stories with people who's working with it right now.

[sfu_lifer]

Oh I agree. I'm just going to take the Sony Fanboy hardline in regards to this "optional" install. Cutting down 15sec to 4sec is not optional. It's downright stupid if you don't install in that case.

Ditto to the PS3 contacts. I've heard similar stories with people who's working with it right now.

The funny thing is the Wii fanboys are showcasing Zelda's supposedly fast loads. Geez , 480p vs 1080p = BIG difference in data that needs to be pulled off the disc. I was reading on digg though that the Wii may get even faster loads via a firmware upgrade in the future. I can't wait for the PS3 (to sell for profit :D ) and the Wii to play with.

[Truemana]

The funny thing is the Wii fanboys are showcasing Zelda's supposedly fast loads. Geez , 480p vs 1080p = BIG difference in data that needs to be pulled off the disc. I was reading on digg though that the Wii may get even faster loads via a firmware upgrade in the future. I can't wait for the PS3 (to sell for profit :D ) and the Wii to play with.

If I can get a PS3, I will sell it too. If not, oh well... I fully plan on getting a Wii either way.

However, it's Sony's fault they decided on an alternative format. If it has slower loading times, live with it. Sure, PS3 has 1080p but who has the ability to use it? I sure don't. I don't plan to either, perfectly happy with a good ol' CRT TV. At least I can beat them with a baseball bat 7 times and just chip the screen.

[rfdghost]

blah, ps3 programmers can start compressing and slap some games on dual layer dvds for faster load times. all new games are on bluray atm just to get more support for the format, and turn it into a household name like a dvd.

[AlphaTwo]

blah, ps3 programmers can start compressing and slap some games on dual layer dvds for faster load times. all new games are on bluray atm just to get more support for the format, and turn it into a household name like a dvd.Blame that one on Sony then. DVDs are not allowed as PS3 medias.

[sfu_lifer]

Blame that one on Sony then. DVDs are not allowed as PS3 medias.
They pretty much have a mandate to dump to fill the discs at this point as per Sony's Blu-ray marketing efforts. Shame really Sony hasn't invested as much with the PS3 dev tools as Microsoft.

[rdtx2002]

Blame that one on Sony then. DVDs are not allowed as PS3 medias.

why should they allow it as Ps3 media?.. it's too easy to pirate

[AlphaTwo]

why should they allow it as Ps3 media?.. it's too easy to pirateGiven all the "problems" with reading speed, caching, and "optional" installs, I don't see why not.

It's no different than when the PS2 started with both CDs and DVDs.

[rdtx2002]

Given all the "problems" with reading speed, caching, and "optional" installs, I don't see why not.

It's no different than when the PS2 started with both CDs and DVDs.

yes, but CDs/DVDs were already an 'accepted' format.

I think Sony will eventually allow DVD-games.. but of course they want to force Bluray down our throats first

[kevin01]

yes, but CDs/DVDs were already an 'accepted' format.

I think Sony will eventually allow DVD-games.. but of course they want to force Bluray down our throats first

who cares? whats wrong with blu-ray. They had the choice between blu-ray and HD-DVD, they took blu-ray. I like blu-ray, and would rather have the ps3, than a $900 blu ray dvd player.

[Azer]

I can't see using Blu-Ray as a bad thing. The larger size WILL be a plus down the line.

And as for long load times, most developers struggle with this everytime a larger format comes around. They just need to working on better caching and streaming techniques which will comes from experience using it. DVD and CD games had the same problem when they first came to market.

And besides the load times for PS3 don't even seem that bad in comparison to what we have had to put up with from other games.

[AlphaTwo]

I can't see using Blu-Ray as a bad thing. The larger size WILL be a plus down the line.

And as for long load times, most developers struggle with this everytime a larger format comes around. They just need to working on better caching and streaming techniques which will comes from experience using it. DVD and CD games had the same problem when they first came to market.

And besides the load times for PS3 don't even seem that bad in comparison to what we have had to put up with from other games.

*Smackdown vs Raw 2007 for the PSP's 7 Minute loading? :P

[AlphaTwo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127945

PS3 camping has begun in Burbank, CA!
http://static.flickr.com/122/291959962_aa3aa7108d.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/103/291961696_20081cbb73.jpg

I hope that none of you will have to do that...

[TheGame]

the guy in the second pic doesn't look too happy about getting his picture taken :lol:

[asot24]

oblivion delayed to 2007
ouch. that makes the ps3 launch list look even worse.

SHIPPING:
Resistance
Genji 2
Madden 07
Tiger Woods 07
Need For Speed: Carbon
Tony Hawk: Project 8
Call of Duty 3
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
NBA 2k7
NHL 2k7
Ridge Racer
Gundam
Blazing Angels
Untold Legends


DELAYED:
Lair
Heavenly Sword
Motorstorm
Sonic
FEAR
Oblivion
Rainbow Six: Vegas
Warhawk
Fight Night 3
Full Auto 2

CANCELLED:
NBA 07

[Aero]

its still like a week and their wasting their time. lol People are crazy :lol:

[Fantaz]

Launching with Resistance Fall of Man for PS3 is the same as Perfect Dark Zero was for Xbox 360. It's going to be a decent appetizer but nothing can compare to the main course. Games we like MGS4, FF13, DMC4, and GTA4 are coming out sooner than we think. That's why you're buying a PS3 for yourself and not eBay.

[sfu_lifer]

Launching with Resistance Fall of Man for PS3 is the same as Perfect Dark Zero was for Xbox 360. It's going to be a decent appetizer but nothing can compare to the main course. Games we like MGS4, FF13, DMC4, and GTA4 are coming out sooner than we think. That's why you're buying a PS3 for yourself and not eBay.
Those games are wayyyy off. Everyone's having issues developing for the PS3 and you can blame Sony squarely on that (see NBA, FIFA and PES and a whole bunch of other titles that are unmentionable) and you can bet those companies will be looking at a larger installed base before launching their heavily invested in titles. GTA4 and DMC4 will probably come out first but you're looking at a good 6-8 month drought till Lair comes out.
Resistance looks pretty good though and you have the Blu-Ray drive to keep you company so at least that's some consolation (unlike PDZ which sucked in all aspects). It's a pity Sony couldn't get their ass in gear and upconverted the PS2/PS1 games.
So eBay is still your best bet if you manage to score a PS3 and just wait for a pricedrop (might as well make some really good money off the fools willing to pay > MSRP). Otherwise it'll be a blu-ray player and sometimes a console for a long while.

[ATLien69]

Check out the IGN's review of Project 8 on PS3:

"It's certainly disappointing that the PlayStation 3 is so far behind the Xbox 360 game. Framerate issues are apparent at every other turn, and the lack of online play really hurts. Project 8 is a worthy game to pick up, just preferably not on this system."

OUCH....framerate problems??? :confused: looks like the PS3 ain't all it's cracked up to be...360 looking pretty right now... So why are people paying $2000+ for a PS3 on Ebay!?!?!?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745182p3.html

[MrDisco]

the toronto star and toronto sun media reporters were amongst the first in canada to preview the new box (under tight security). they both were gushing over how amazing it is and how its a step up from the 360. truth or just fanboyism at best? :P

[kevin01]

Look at these madden screenshots

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/811/811802/imgs_1.html

:-0

[joshmxpx]

the toronto star and toronto sun media reporters were amongst the first in canada to preview the new box (under tight security). they both were gushing over how amazing it is and how its a step up from the 360. truth or just fanboyism at best? :P

Have you ever read the video game section in either of those papers? The video game journalists are horrible, they write like they just went to some high school and asked different kids about all the technology and terms they use.

I would never believe anything these hacks write.

[TheGame]

Look at these madden screenshots

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/811/811802/imgs_1.html

:-0
I hope the game won't look that terrible when it's released. Those are PS2 graphics.

[Sgt_Strider]

Check out the IGN's review of Project 8 on PS3:

"It's certainly disappointing that the PlayStation 3 is so far behind the Xbox 360 game. Framerate issues are apparent at every other turn, and the lack of online play really hurts. Project 8 is a worthy game to pick up, just preferably not on this system."

OUCH....framerate problems??? :confused: looks like the PS3 ain't all it's cracked up to be...360 looking pretty right now... So why are people paying $2000+ for a PS3 on Ebay!?!?!?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745182p3.html

Did you happen to forget that the xbox 360 was launched last year and developers had plenty of time to learn how to program on the system?

I guess you did :rolleyes:.

[asot24]

PS3's launch is absoluteley awful I don't know how anyone could possibly defend it. It's just ports and Resistance. After playing Gears, I don't even want to touch Resistance. Oh well, I'll still camp out for a PS3 this week so I can sell it on ebay and pay off my wii+zelda.

[JayPatel]

its out in japan

open hdd format, plug in any 2.5" sata hdd.

no upscaling of ps1/ps2 games. speaking of which, despite having the PS2 CPU/GPU on board, PS3 has some pretty bad compatibility issues with last gen games apparently.

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/1111/ps3_32.jpg

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/1111/ps3_35.jpg

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/1111/ps3_37.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Oooh. Open HD format. I think I'm gonna like that.
Suddenly the Japan Core pricing is very attractive :).

I might jump once Core is in place for a while and a pricedrop occurs.
Currently the pricing is still very much on the non-casual gamer price.
Here's hoping Sony gets their butt in gear and gets their production issues resolved ASAP. Somehow, with the arrogance in their exec team (and how historically slow they are with pricedrops), I don't think a pricedrop is gonna happen anytime soon.

[jerryhussain]

Resistance Review: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745206p1.html

I have a feeling that it will get over shadowed by Gears of War.

[Emancipated]

http://www.2old2play.com/News/PS3_Line_Begins

Ridiculous. Haha!

[rdtx2002]

PS3's launch is absoluteley awful I don't know how anyone could possibly defend it. It's just ports and Resistance. After playing Gears, I don't even want to touch Resistance. Oh well, I'll still camp out for a PS3 this week so I can sell it on ebay and pay off my wii+zelda.

HAHAH.. the money you spend on the PS3 is already enough to pay for a Wii and Zelda.. don't kid yourself.. you sound like a dumb idiot when you say that you need to sell a ps3 to pay for a Wii......... roflmao

you just want profits

[bmaz]

HAHAH.. the money you spend on the PS3 is already enough to pay for a Wii and Zelda.. don't kid yourself.. you sound like a dumb idiot when you say that you need to sell a ps3 to pay for a Wii......... roflmao

you just want profits
You misunderstand what he is saying, he does want to sell the PS3 for a profit and with the profit purchase a Wii.
So in the end he would have gotten a Wii without having 'paid' for it.

I don't see how purchasing an item and selling it at a profit would be considered dumb.

[sfu_lifer]

You misunderstand what he is saying, he does want to sell the PS3 for a profit and with the profit purchase a Wii.
So in the end he would have gotten a Wii without having 'paid' for it.

I don't see how purchasing an item and selling it at a profit would be considered dumb.
YEah, it's rdtx who is the "dumb" one :)
If you are fortunate enough to snag a PS3 at launch, the potential profit should be enough to pay for a Wii and Zelda.
I want a Core PS3 someday (don't need the prem since 60GB will be very small thanks to all the downloadable content and wifi traffic can be very flaky at times), just so I can have the best of both worlds when it comes to the HD movie format. I've never been content as a single console owner since I want some variety in my play and consoles have their own niches.
Wii looks like it'll be the winner when it comes to fun and innovation. PS3 will be for the all-in-one entertainment needs and 360 for sports and FPS/PC-style gaming.

[rdtx2002]

You misunderstand what he is saying, he does want to sell the PS3 for a profit and with the profit purchase a Wii.
So in the end he would have gotten a Wii without having 'paid' for it.

I don't see how purchasing an item and selling it at a profit would be considered dumb.

i never said it was dumb... what is dumb is this..

say he has a 100 preorder for Wii... so.. you are telling me that it's 'logical' to line up all night for a Ps3.. pay 800 smackers.. wait for it to sell on EGay.. instead of using the 800 smackers to buy 1.5 Wii's? ;)

do you get my point.. i'm making a mockery of him because he said he needs to sell a Ps3 to pay for a Wii instead of just BUYING the Wii instead since the price of the Ps3 is greater than Wii

[sfu_lifer]

Resistance Review: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745206p1.html

I have a feeling that it will get over shadowed by Gears of War.

That's because it doesn't hold a candle over GoW's visuals both in framerate and visual fidelity :).
That's really GoW's main point: it's graphics. Story and whatnot are secondary. Sure it's fun online but most of the effort was spent on the graphics.
I'm sure Resistance is MILES and MILES above PDZ and COD2 when the 360 launched.

[rdtx2002]

YEah, it's rdtx who is the "dumb" one :)
If you are fortunate enough to snag a PS3 at launch, the potential profit should be enough to pay for a Wii and Zelda.
I want a Core PS3 someday (don't need the prem since 60GB will be very small thanks to all the downloadable content and wifi traffic can be very flaky at times), just so I can have the best of both worlds when it comes to the HD movie format. I've never been content as a single console owner since I want some variety in my play and consoles have their own niches.
Wii looks like it'll be the winner when it comes to fun and innovation. PS3 will be for the all-in-one entertainment needs and 360 for sports and FPS/PC-style gaming.

another 'dumb' one that totally missed the point of my post ;)

[bmaz]

i never said it was dumb... what is dumb is this..

say he has a 100 preorder for Wii... so.. you are telling me that it's 'logical' to line up all night for a Ps3.. pay 800 smackers.. wait for it to sell on EGay.. instead of using the 800 smackers to buy 1.5 Wii's? ;)

do you get my point.. i'm making a mockery of him because he said he needs to sell a Ps3 to pay for a Wii instead of just BUYING the Wii instead since the price of the Ps3 is greater than Wii
Its no use trying to reason with you, i remember your name from last year, the classic definition of a fanboy who attacks anyone who says anything negative about 'your' systerm.

He never said he needed to sell the PS3 in order to afford the Wii.
The profits from the sale of the PS3 will go to cover the cost of the Wii + Zelda, I dunno how much further you want that broken down for you.

[sfu_lifer]

another 'dumb' one that totally missed the point of my post ;)

Takes one to know one, doesn't it :D

[rdtx2002]

well.. according to the other poster.. the Ps3 Hard Drive is open format so you can basically stick any laptop drive in there..

[bmaz]

well.. according to the other poster.. the Ps3 Hard Drive is open format so you can basically stick any laptop drive in there..
Which is exactly why sfu_lifer said he was planning on getting a core, 40 GB difference isn't enough (if you don't need wifi and the media card reader).

[rdtx2002]

Its no use trying to reason with you, i remember your name from last year, the classic definition of a fanboy who attacks anyone who says anything negative about 'your' systerm.

umm.. bmaz.. WTF if with your fanboyism remark?... tells me that you are stuck up man... did I blast that poster because he was making fun on the Playstation3?.. No i did not.. get a fricken clue man.

He never said he needed to sell the PS3 in order to afford the Wii.
The profits from the sale of the PS3 will go to cover the cost of the Wii + Zelda, I dunno how much further you want that broken down for you.

Oh well, I'll still camp out for a PS3 this week so I can sell it on ebay and pay off my wii+zelda.

what part of "camp out for a PS3", "Sell on ebay", "Pay off Wii/Zelda" don't you understand?

I just find it funny that he needs to lineup for a PS3 'just to pay off' his Wii/Zelda (with no mention of profits)

when he could easily use the cash to pay off the Wii/Zelda

do you get it?

and there was no 'fanboyism' in that post so i have no clue why you even brought fanboyism into the discussion

perhaps we took the meaning of his sentence differently.. oh well...

[rdtx2002]

Which is exactly why sfu_lifer said he was planning on getting a core, 40 GB difference isn't enough (if you don't need wifi and the media card reader).

in that sense it makes sense.. though i don't think wifi is as flaky as he makes it out to be.. who knows really...

i'll be lining up for a Prem since it'll garner the most profits.. but i ain't going to buy a ps3 to play until a solid modchip is out ;)

[bmaz]

...I just find it funny that he needs to lineup for a PS3 'just to pay off' his Wii/Zelda (with no mention of profits)...
Mentioning profits is redundant, no one is going to camp out just to sell a PS3 on eBay @ cost.

[rdtx2002]

Mentioning profits is redundant, no is going to camp out just to sell a PS3 on eBay @ cost.

which makes it humorous imo... camp to buy a ps3 to sell and pay off a Wii...

you'd expect people to pay off their debts with a Ps3.. not a Wii ;)

[kawaii gocchin]

Pushing, shoving, girls crying... all to buy PS3...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjx6MlWZ2LE

Hundreds maybe thousands camp at Shinjuku Yodobashi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsmtfg9uWtY

English speaking take in Osaka:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a2ruHzlSFM

[sfu_lifer]

Today was release day?
I thought it was after the NA launch?

And MS missed such a GREAT marketing opportunity there.
I'd put GoW on a few gigantic screens there just to get them to question the PS3's overhyped power.

[rdtx2002]

Today was release day?
I thought it was after the NA launch?

And MS missed such a GREAT marketing opportunity there.
I'd put GoW on a few gigantic screens there just to get them to question the PS3's overhyped power.


Nov 11, 2006 release in Japan

[sfu_lifer]

which makes it humorous imo... camp to buy a ps3 to sell and pay off a Wii...

you'd expect people to pay off their debts with a Ps3.. not a Wii ;)

We all have our priorities straight, don't we :D
And wifi can be flaky. It all depends on where you live and how "clogged up" your area is electromagnetically for that radio frequency.

[sfu_lifer]

Nov 11, 2006 release in Japan
Ah well, my friend probably wouldn't have gotten one anyways.

[rdtx2002]

good place to pick up gaming chicks ;)

[rdtx2002]

Playasia.com pricing

oday's launch date line up includes the two console models (20G/60G), two first party, a number of Hori/Logitech licensed accessories and finally five game releases.

PlayStation3 Console (HDD 60GB Model) JPN US$ 999.00 Usually ships within 1-5 days
PlayStation3 Console (HDD 20GB Model) JPN US$ 899.00 In stock, usually ships within 24hrs

[Squeeky]

well.. according to the other poster.. the Ps3 Hard Drive is open format so you can basically stick any laptop drive in there..

Yep this has been confirmed by IGN. You are not stuck with an official "Sony" HDD which is great. Check out their site they have all kinds of info, like the unit plays mp1-4 content.

I'm glad Sony decided to do this as I am ticked that my 360 only has a 20gig drive and M$fts solution to it filling with their new movie and tv download system is to buy another overpriced 20gig drive! With my HD-DVD drive pre-order, an extra HDD, I'm getting nickel and dimed out the wazoo.

[jerryhussain]

That's because it doesn't hold a candle over GoW's visuals both in framerate and visual fidelity :).
That's really GoW's main point: it's graphics. Story and whatnot are secondary. Sure it's fun online but most of the effort was spent on the graphics.
I'm sure Resistance is MILES and MILES above PDZ and COD2 when the 360 launched.
Which is why I think they need to review the game from that perspective.

Calm down rdtx, you are needlessly attacking people here. Like bmaz said, no one is going to sell the PS3 at cost. The lowest PS3 pre-order that was sold on ebay netted a $100 profit, and that seller was ridiculed all over the web. So yeah when anyone is planning on selling a PS3, you can bet that it wont be at cost.

[rdtx2002]

Which is why I think they need to review the game from that perspective.

Calm down rdtx, you are needlessly attacking people here. Like bmaz said, no one is going to sell the PS3 at cost. The lowest PS3 pre-order that was sold on ebay netted a $100 profit, and that seller was ridiculed all over the web. So yeah when anyone is planning on selling a PS3, you can bet that it wont be at cost.


i'm not attacking ANYONE.. geez... i'm not allowed to make fun of a guy that is using the excuse of buying a Ps3 is to pay off a wii?

since when did mocking a guy = attacking people

what has this world come to?

[bmaz]

Yep this has been confirmed by IGN. You are not stuck with an official "Sony" HDD which is great. Check out their site they have all kinds of info, like the unit plays mp1-4 content.

I'm glad Sony decided to do this as I am ticked that my 360 only has a 20gig drive and M$fts solution to it filling with their new movie and tv download system is to buy another overpriced 20gig drive! With my HD-DVD drive pre-order, an extra HDD, I'm getting nickel and dimed out the wazoo.
Please don't buy another 20 GB HD drive, there are rumours of a 80 GB HD at some point, I would definitely wait.

As for HD-DVD :rolleyes: , are you serious?
Playback of a HD-DVD movie is gonna be more taxing on the CPU than any game has been thus far.
It's gonna be hard enjoying a movie with all cores running full speed.
At least wait to see which format is making headway.

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The fact that you can easily swap out an HD must mean that the Linux OS is embedded in some NVRAM.
I wonder if the OS will have any issues reading Perpendicular HDs.

[MrDisco]

Have you ever read the video game section in either of those papers? The video game journalists are horrible, they write like they just went to some high school and asked different kids about all the technology and terms they use.

lol yes i know. i never take any video gaming article written in a mainstream newspaper seriously. it was quite amusing to read as they both commented on how they wanted to steal the unit from the office and how the graphics were mind blowing and how nice and shiny the case was. it should have said 'paid advertisement' on the top :P

[sfu_lifer]

Please don't buy another 20 GB HD drive, there are rumours of a 80 GB HD at some point, I would definitely wait.

As for HD-DVD :rolleyes: , are you serious?
Playback of a HD-DVD movie is gonna be more taxing on the CPU than any game has been thus far.
It's gonna be hard enjoying a movie with all cores running full speed.
At least wait to see which format is making headway.

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The fact that you can easily swap out an HD must mean that the Linux OS is embedded in some NVRAM.
I wonder if the OS will have any issues reading Perpendicular HDs.

Well HD-DVD is kicking Blu-Ray's ass all over the place at the moment (both in overall quality and sales numbers). We'll see what the attach rate of Blu-Ray movies are to the PS3. The tide may swing.
That's the beauty of the wireless setup and a long AV cord. You can have your 360 far away so you won't have to hear those horrible fans.
With the HD-DVD being able to be read by the PC, I think that's an added bonus. My tabletPC didn't come with an internal DVD drive so that's a bonus for me :). If you care about movies etc, I think the PS3 may be a better buy but that's the beauty of the 360. It's a gaming machine first. Everything else is optional so you only buy what's important to you.

[sfu_lifer]

i'm not attacking ANYONE.. geez... i'm not allowed to make fun of a guy that is using the excuse of buying a Ps3 is to pay off a wii?

since when did mocking a guy = attacking people

what has this world come to?

You obviously are attacking people. Calm down. It's a difference of opinion.
Ridiculing people = attack unless you are very close and that's acceptable.
Look at politics, read the paper. Anytime someone makes an inane joke at someone else's expense, the public considers it an attack.
This IS the world we live in now, I think you have to adjust. Hiding behind a ;) doesn't change anything since obviously you're not really kidding.
So stop stoking the fires and just let it go.

[sfu_lifer]

Which is why I think they need to review the game from that perspective.

Calm down rdtx, you are needlessly attacking people here. Like bmaz said, no one is going to sell the PS3 at cost. The lowest PS3 pre-order that was sold on ebay netted a $100 profit, and that seller was ridiculed all over the web. So yeah when anyone is planning on selling a PS3, you can bet that it wont be at cost.

But competition moves on. As MS made a point at E3, they're competing with our 2nd gen games. It's actually quite good folks are coming to grips with the PS3 programming this fast despite Sony's ******** efforts at giving devs any functional/useful development tools.

[sfu_lifer]

Playasia.com pricing

oday's launch date line up includes the two console models (20G/60G), two first party, a number of Hori/Logitech licensed accessories and finally five game releases.

PlayStation3 Console (HDD 60GB Model) JPN US$ 999.00 Usually ships within 1-5 days
PlayStation3 Console (HDD 20GB Model) JPN US$ 899.00 In stock, usually ships within 24hrs
Shame they won't ship to europe thx to Sony.

[sportmiester]

Think it's going to be a zoo over here as well? I know a few buddies who're climbing the walls now in anticipation of launch

[joshmxpx]

which makes it humorous imo... camp to buy a ps3 to sell and pay off a Wii...

you'd expect people to pay off their debts with a Ps3.. not a Wii ;)

I still dont think you get it man. Let me spell it out nice and clear for you:


Situation #1: Guy goes to store and buys Wii. Money spent = $279 + tax.


Situation #2: Guy camps out and buys PS3. Money spent = $659 + tax. Then, he sells it on Ebay for $2000 (conservative figure, I've been watching preorders sell for $2000 +). Total profit = $2000 - (659 + tax) = $1250. Then, he goes and buy wii with profit, spending $279 + tax. Profit is now reduced to $930 after buying the wii.


So obviously, buy comparing the two situations, wouldn't you think its smarter to buy and sell the ps3 for profit, and get a wii for free basically, rather than just going out and buying it in the first place?

Hopefully you'll understand a little better and stop calling people dumb now.

[jerryhussain]

But competition moves on. As MS made a point at E3, they're competing with our 2nd gen games. It's actually quite good folks are coming to grips with the PS3 programming this fast despite Sony's ******** efforts at giving devs any functional/useful development tools.
True.

But folks have to remember that it is the best launch game on PS3. Though not as big as Zelda on Wii, it is still the only high profile exclusive Sony has got for this holiday season.

[bmaz]

Well HD-DVD is kicking Blu-Ray's ass all over the place at the moment (both in overall quality and sales numbers). We'll see what the attach rate of Blu-Ray movies are to the PS3. The tide may swing...
If Sony stops shooting themselves in the foot, we'll see if they can make some headway.

On a side note the Sony Exec. (or Inventor) of Betamax just retired, he still can't believe that people were forced to use the inferior VHS standard.

[Colts]

LOL look at that line up HOLY thats insane

[sfu_lifer]

If Sony stops shooting themselves in the foot, we'll see if they can make some headway.

On a side note the Sony Exec. (or Inventor) of Betamax just retired, he still can't believe that people were forced to use the inferior VHS standard.

If Sony decided to cooperate instead of being smug and doing its own standard and expecting others to follow and eat their large licensing fees, betamax may have won. They're their own worst enemies. Sony engineers and marketing people are top notch, it's their execs who have problems.

I still have a betamax deck that plays flawlessly and the tapes still play fine. Quite amazing considering they're 20 years old.

[sfu_lifer]

Think it's going to be a zoo over here as well? I know a few buddies who're climbing the walls now in anticipation of launch
yes, it will be just as crazy. Woe to the person who tries to cut in line that day.
His bodily extremities will be ripped from their sockets :cheesygri

[rdtx2002]

Hopefully you'll understand a little better and stop calling people dumb now.

just let it die man.. i just interpreted different from the other people. ok?.. i took his remark on a literal sense.. meaning he'll line up for a ps3 to pay for his preorder of Wii instead of just paying it off now.

[Nacster]

Link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/fun.games/11/10/sony.ps3.ap/index.html


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[JayPatel]

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06456/19158_up4030_122_336lo.jpg

[AlphaTwo]

http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06456/19158_up4030_122_336lo.jpg
Interesting. So there's no need to even tryt to find a 2.5 hdd, as long as you don't mind a HDD sticking out of the PS3.

Nice.

[sfu_lifer]

Interesting. So there's no need to even tryt to find a 2.5 hdd, as long as you don't mind a HDD sticking out of the PS3.

Nice.

If it means I don't have to delete content off my HD, I'm a happy camper. Still, I'm not keeping one till it drops a bit in price (or some to-die-for exclusive game hits). Core unit, here I come (eventually).
I have a feeling the PS3 will be the first one hacked to play games off the HD a-la Xbox 1.

[The Digital Dolphin]

If Sony decided to cooperate instead of being smug and doing its own standard and expecting others to follow and eat their large licensing fees, betamax may have won. They're their own worst enemies. Sony engineers and marketing people are top notch, it's their execs who have problems.

I still have a betamax deck that plays flawlessly and the tapes still play fine. Quite amazing considering they're 20 years old.

Betamax went on to become the foundation of broadcast quality professional videotape stock, and is the predicessor of current BetacamSP, Digital Betacam, and Betacam SX products, all of which are used today to record TV shows and Movies onto at the production level.

Sony only lost the consumer market, not the professional ;) (and you can still buy Betamax tapes if you know where to look, and who to ask)

(it's really disturbing to me how much I know about Sony products and their internal company workings, since I neither deal directly with Sony, nor even LIKE them overly much... )

[sfu_lifer]

Betamax went on to become the foundation of broadcast quality professional videotape stock, and is the predicessor of current BetacamSP, Digital Betacam, and Betacam SX products, all of which are used today to record TV shows and Movies onto at the production level.

Sony only lost the consumer market, not the professional ;) (and you can still buy Betamax tapes if you know where to look, and who to ask)

(it's really disturbing to me how much I know about Sony products and their internal company workings, since I neither deal directly with Sony, nor even LIKE them overly much... )
Yeah, I knew that. But we know where the bulk of the money/profits are made and that's the consumer division. I know TV cameramen who swear by their betacams.

[duckdown]

3 cheers for Asian hotties fighting for video games

[Tyrant]

The funny thing is that there are only 5 or 6 launch titles over in Japan, one of which is an FPS, and another is a Mahjong title.

[Ojam]

For a second I thought I heard Gilbert Gottfried in the first vid. ;)

[lithiumli]

thats crazy, the line up was huge, and i'm expecting the same thing here on nov.16/17th.

i wonder how many of those ps3 are on e-bay right now...LOL

[rdtx2002]

i wonder how many of those ps3 are on e-bay right now...LOL

quite the contrary.. the Japanese people value videogames as part of their culture.. they won't sell their Ps3

[john widow]

..........Aren't they gonna be sold out by the time the first few hundred or so buy it? What's with the dudes outside opening the ps3 box? That's a little risky with theft and all. And all these people waiting in line, it's like hurricane katrina, only under control. And just imagine anyone could harm all those ppl waiting in line.

[young__wun1515]

hey

is anyone planning to just buy the ps3 and resell it for double the price?

im thinking of doing that although i havent preordered the system.

[Moot]

hey

is anyone planning to just buy the ps3 and resell it for double the price?

im thinking of doing that although i havent preordered the system.

I think the real question is:

"Is anybody buying the PS3 to NOT resell it?":lol:

[young__wun1515]

I think the real question is:

"Is anybody buying the PS3 to NOT resell it?":lol:

lol...if i were to buy it would people on redflagdeals be willing to pay double for it?

[Alvito]

lol...if i were to buy it would people on redflagdeals be willing to pay double for it?

probably not on rfd, maybe ebay.

[charger]

I've got dibs on 3 of em :lol:

Believe it or not, the source actually will be selling them... that is unless all the employees don't buy em all first :twisted:

We'll see what a DRM has to say about it though, so I am not holding my breath.

[jb22]

Personally, I think anyone who pays double or triple for a console at launch is a bit of a douche. Any way, here's an intersting take on the PS3's launch in Japan:

PS3 Japan Launch Darkside (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php)

[jamgyu]

ign.com has been testing out the functionality of their retail version PS3... the following articles are some of the results of those tests as well as answers to particular questions their readers had....

personally im starting to feel like maybe the PS3 really IS worth the money you pay at launch day.... but maybe i'm just trying to rationalize for my own sake :cheesygri


Retail PS3 Reader Questions
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745259p1.html

Confirmed: Retail PS3s Require System Update
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745237p1.html

PS3 Connections: PlayStation Portable
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745297p1.html

PS3 Connections: iPod & USB Music Devices
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745359p1.html

PS3 Video Playback -- Open & Unrestricted
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745265p1.html

PS3 Multitasks Music
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745278p1.html

PS3 Accepts Any Third-Party HDD
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745271p1.html

PS3 Retail Menu Update
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745322p1.html




Nov. 17

[sfu_lifer]

ign.com has been testing out the functionality of their retail version PS3... the following articles are some of the results of those tests as well as answers to particular questions their readers had....

personally im starting to feel like maybe the PS3 really IS worth the money you pay at launch day.... but maybe i'm just trying to rationalize for my own sake :cheesygri


Retail PS3 Reader Questions
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745259p1.html

Confirmed: Retail PS3s Require System Update
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745237p1.html

PS3 Connections: iPod & USB Music Devices
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745359p1.html

PS3 Video Playback -- Open & Unrestricted
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745265p1.html

PS3 Multitasks Music
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745278p1.html

PS3 Accepts Any Third-Party HDD
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745271p1.html

PS3 Retail Menu Update
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745322p1.html




Nov. 17

Nah, you're not the only one. Depends on what you're after (i.e. Blu-Ray). I'm still peeved ipods don't work. That's a big minus for me. I'm not about to re-rip 20GB worth of music. Shame you can't stream via network. It's a pretty good value compared to the 360. It's premium priced which takes it beyond casual gamer. The 360 is also premium priced and needs a pricedrop badly considering the cheap DVD-ROM it uses. Capabilities wise (graphically), they're pretty equal. I still say the Core is a MUCH better value if you don't care for the Wifi.

[jamgyu]

Nah, you're not the only one. Depends on what you're after (i.e. Blu-Ray). I'm still peeved ipods don't work. That's a big minus for me. I'm not about to re-rip 20GB worth of music. Shame you can't stream via network. It's a pretty good value compared to the 360. It's premium priced which takes it beyond casual gamer. The 360 is also premium priced and needs a pricedrop badly considering the cheap DVD-ROM it uses. Capabilities wise (graphically), they're pretty equal. I still say the Core is a MUCH better value if you don't care for the Wifi.

correct me if i'm wrong but actually according to the article it DOES work with an ipod... it just takes a little digging to get to your files...

The iPod will mount, but no video, audio or photo tracks can be found on the standard XMB menu. Jump into "Display All", however, and it's a totally different story -- you can see the Calendar and music directories, and can browse as deep as you need to in order to find the files.

[sfu_lifer]

correct me if i'm wrong but actually according to the article it DOES work with an ipod... it just takes a little digging to get to your files...
Not like the 360 it doesn't. That's just treating the ipod like a normal USB drive. It can't touch your playlists etc. If you've dug around the ipod, it's quite annoying to find your files by going directory->directory since it's not setup for users to find their files (i.e. it's supposed to be hidden).
The 360 on the other hand, picks up on everything (of course it can't play back purchased music but that's ok since they're DRM'ed and nothing else will play them outside of apple hardware anyways).

[Aero]

Here are vids of the PS3 being mutilated :D Look at the HUMONGOUS fan and heatsink....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHS07EFGZ3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoEA69MuYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB2qQPv7LI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOf5m8XH4pY

[sfu_lifer]

Here are vids of the PS3 being mutilated :D Look at the HUMONGOUS fan and heatsink....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHS07EFGZ3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoEA69MuYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB2qQPv7LI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOf5m8XH4pY
Pretty soon, you can watch those same Youtube videos on the PS3 :D
I'm glad they have a browser for such a thing. I mean c'mon, youtube is an icon and it would be great playing some videos from there while taking a break from the action, friggin' MS has the browser tech (I'm 100% positive there's a functioning Internet Explorer for the 360 and it already supports a USB keyboard. They just don't want to cannibalize potential PC sales :mad:

[rfdghost]

there's stores that have 1500 per location there, that's why the lineups are so huge. here will not be the case because there will not be that many units per location since it's spread out, also nobody should be dumb enough to line up if they see a line that has more than 100 people here since chances of getting one will be zero then.

[JayPatel]

merged the last 2 PS3 threads into this one.

[poppa]

Which one of you is this that LOST money on eBaying a PS3? :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-System-Console-60GB-Pre-%20Sale_W0QQitemZ290042871016QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

[Fatman]

ahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That sucks....

I personally would put a reserve for at least 1000 bucks

[emacs]

Look at the HUMONGOUS fan and heatsink....

large fans displace more air at slow(er) rpm's which translates into relatively quite operation. overall, some interesting design choices in the PS3 indeed.

[Sgt_Strider]

Nah, you're not the only one. Depends on what you're after (i.e. Blu-Ray). I'm still peeved ipods don't work. That's a big minus for me. I'm not about to re-rip 20GB worth of music. Shame you can't stream via network. It's a pretty good value compared to the 360. It's premium priced which takes it beyond casual gamer. The 360 is also premium priced and needs a pricedrop badly considering the cheap DVD-ROM it uses. Capabilities wise (graphically), they're pretty equal. I still say the Core is a MUCH better value if you don't care for the Wifi.


I agree, the core edition (speaking about the PS3) is a much better value. I'm planning to upgrade the hard drive on the PS3 anyways so I don't see the point to get the premium version. At the same time, I like the fact that Sony kept the system all black. I don't like how the premium version has a silver faceplate for the drive. Now if only someone release a small wifi module for the core version and I'll be one satisfied gamer.

[Carpe Diem]

Here are vids of the PS3 being mutilated :D Look at the HUMONGOUS fan and heatsink....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHS07EFGZ3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoEA69MuYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB2qQPv7LI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOf5m8XH4pY


I feel like i just watched some Electronic Snuff Porn.

[Sgt_Strider]

I got a question about playing PS2 games on the PS3. Is there any way to run the PS2 game off the hard drive to increase the loading speed of the game? Or it plays just like it was on the PS2?

[jamgyu]

I agree, the core edition (speaking about the PS3) is a much better value. I'm planning to upgrade the hard drive on the PS3 anyways so I don't see the point to get the premium version. At the same time, I like the fact that Sony kept the system all black. I don't like how the premium version has a silver faceplate for the drive. Now if only someone release a small wifi module for the core version and I'll be one satisfied gamer.

i think the wifi and the bigger HD almost justify the price difference... i know for myself and many others we'd rather have a console that already comes with the bells and whistles installed rather than having to wait for addons... it's the convenience factor that i'm willing to pay the premium for

[Aero]

I feel like i just watched some Electronic Snuff Porn.

dont tell me you got a hard-on hahahahhaa

Thats a pain to install a modchip took two people 15 mins to get to the mobo.

[Sgt_Strider]

i think the wifi and the bigger HD almost justify the price difference... i know for myself and many others we'd rather have a console that already comes with the bells and whistles installed rather than having to wait for addons... it's the convenience factor that i'm willing to pay the premium for

60GB is nothing. After you install couple of PS3 games and put some media on the drive, you're not going to have much room to do other stuff. AFAIK, changing hard drives isn't that hard to do on the PS3. It's not exactly rocket science ;). I rather buy the core version and a 120GB hard drive and stick it in there. I'm also sure someone will release a wifi module for the core versions.

[Carpe Diem]

dont tell me you got a hard-on hahahahhaa

Thats a pain to install a modchip took two people 15 mins to get to the mobo.

Eeerr...No. :arrowu:



To me...The Wi-fi, Extra 40gigs and Built-in SD,CF and MS reader is worth the 100 bucks.

[jerryhussain]

Disastrous sales for PS3 games so far. :!:

[ShadowVlican]

PS3 Video Playback -- Open & Unrestricted
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745265p1.html
i wish they'd test more video formats and containers

if it can playback as many formats as CCCP can, consider me sold

[bmaz]

...To me...The Wi-fi, Extra 40gigs and Built-in SD,CF and MS reader is worth the 100 bucks.
In terms of cost, yes.
In terms of value, no. (I don't need wifi and a MS reader)
I prefer a stable connection over gigabit ethernet, and I can use the extra $100 to purchase a larger HD.
60 GB just isn't gonna cut it.
The chrome highlights are nice on the premium though.

[sfu_lifer]

i wish they'd test more video formats and containers

if it can playback as many formats as CCCP can, consider me sold

I dunno about "open and unrestricted". THey specifically made no mention of divx/xvid which are the ones most people download from the web. That pretty much says it doesn't play those. mp4 playback != xvid/divx container playback.

You *can* play unrestricted videos on the 360, but it has to be compressed to wmv, it seems the ps3 has to be compressed to avc or mp4 which has faster compressors than wmv currently. What would be cool if someone can develop a linux converter for that flavor on the PS3 since the Cell absolutely kicks ass at these types of tasks. You can probably transcode much faster than realtime.

That's not a dealbreaker for me. The dealbreaker is still the price. I'll consider it once it's more available and cheaper. Hopefully by then all hardware bugs have been fixed.

As for PS3 games sales, I feel terribly sorry for the Japanese launch gamers. Pretty much they bought it for Blu-Ray at this point :D
Can't blame them. If I were keeping the PS3 with our launch, the only game I'd buy is Resistance and then be ready for the looooooong drought of good exclusives. Probably play PS2 games on it in the meantime in addition to BD movies...

[jerryhussain]

Those who plan to replace the HDD should read this:
Japan's Impress Watch media site took delivery of a retail PS3 unit today, and quickly began putting it to various tests. It took the system apart (see check out this article for pics of the innards), confirming that every PS3 does indeed include the PS2's Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer combo chip as an assist for backwards compatibility. More importantly, at least if you're interested in saving some cash, the site conducted a hard disk test to see what happens when you put a new hard disk into the system.

According to Impress, the 20 Gig PS3 includes a Seagate LD25.1 hard disk running at 5,400rpm and with a cache of 2 megabytes. The 60 Gig PS3 has a Seagate Momentus 5400.2 running at 5,400rpm with a cache of 8 megabytes. The site investigated what would happen when you replace the hard drive with a Seagate 7200.1 series 100 gigabyte hard disk running at 7,200rpm and with 8 megabytes cache. This hard disk was purchased at a standard PC parts shop in Akihabara for the equivalent of around 180 dollars.

You'd expect a faster hard disk to speed up the transfer of game content from the Blu-ray disk during game installation. But that's not the case. The three hard disks took approximately the same amount of time to install Ridge Racer 7 (9 minutes, 45 seconds) and Gundam (8 minutes, 13 seconds). The site speculates that the bottleneck during the install is reading from the Blu-ray disc rather than writing to the hard disk.

There also isn't that much difference when playing games that have been installed. Impress reports hardly any difference between the three hard disks when going from Ridge Racer 7's stage select to the start of a stage.

Finally, the site put one more PS3 multimedia feature to the test. It transferred a large amount of data from compact flash to the hard disks in order to compare write speeds. The 20 gigabyte hard disk performed the worst, taking 4 minutes 56 seconds for the transfer. The 60 Gig and 100 Gig hard disks took 4 minutes 28 seconds. It appears that the cache size of the latter models is more important than the speed jump to 7,200 rpm for the new 100 Gig hard disk.

As its final judgment, Impress recommends that, for now at least, users should avoid a 7,200 rpm drive due to cost and potential heat concerns. Instead, the emphasis should be placed on hard disk size and cache size.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745407p1.html

[jb22]

I dunno about "open and unrestricted". THey specifically made no mention of divx/xvid which are the ones most people download from the web. That pretty much says it doesn't play those. mp4 playback != xvid/divx container playback.

You *can* play unrestricted videos on the 360, but it has to be compressed to wmv, it seems the ps3 has to be compressed to avc or mp4 which has faster compressors than wmv currently. What would be cool if someone can develop a linux converter for that flavor on the PS3 since the Cell absolutely kicks ass at these types of tasks. You can probably transcode much faster than realtime.

That's not a dealbreaker for me. The dealbreaker is still the price. I'll consider it once it's more available and cheaper. Hopefully by then all hardware bugs have been fixed.

As for PS3 games sales, I feel terribly sorry for the Japanese launch gamers. Pretty much they bought it for Blu-Ray at this point :D
Can't blame them. If I were keeping the PS3 with our launch, the only game I'd buy is Resistance and then be ready for the looooooong drought of good exclusives. Probably play PS2 games on it in the meantime in addition to BD movies...

Well it seems that a lot of the people buying PS3's in Japan had no interest in buying games (see my earlier link). It actually seems that most people really wanting ot get a PS3 at launch are people who just want to resell it for a profit.

Personally, I wasn't really sold on the PS3 for the longest time. After seeing some of its features and such it seems like a better system then I was expecting (atleast out of the box) but I still wouldn't get one as of yet. First issue is price. Second is hardware issues - if the PS3 has no issues I would be very surprised, but I'm willing to wait and see. Also, the games are lacking at the moment. I know this will change over time, but for now I can wait. I also can't stand the design of the console. I know this may seem like a stupid issue to some people but I really hate the PS3's design, I really think Sony actually made an uglier system the the original PS2. I totally love the PS3 GUI though.

I will say I was a bit excited about the Wii but after seeing more of it, and considering the price I've lost a bit of interest in it.

For now, I think my 360 will keep me happy. I'm actually very curious to see what happens with what MS is doing with their Live video store. It'll also be interesting to see how Sony and MS will influence each other based on market reactions to their respective decisions.

[vonteego]

Well it seems that a lot of the people buying PS3's in Japan had no interest in buying games (see my earlier link). It actually seems that most people really wanting ot get a PS3 at launch are people who just want to resell it for a profit.

Personally, I wasn't really sold on the PS3 for the longest time. After seeing some of its features and such it seems like a better system then I was expecting (atleast out of the box) but I still wouldn't get one as of yet. First issue is price. Second is hardware issues - if the PS3 has no issues I would be very surprised, but I'm willing to wait and see. Also, the games are lacking at the moment. I know this will change over time, but for now I can wait. I also can't stand the design of the console. I know this may seem like a stupid issue to some people but I really hate the PS3's design, I really think Sony actually made an uglier system the the original PS2. I totally love the PS3 GUI though.

I will say I was a bit excited about the Wii but after seeing more of it, and considering the price I've lost a bit of interest in it.

For now, I think my 360 will keep me happy. I'm actually very curious to see what happens with what MS is doing with their Live video store. It'll also be interesting to see how Sony and MS will influence each other based on market reactions to their respective decisions.


Excellent points made.

I'm in the same boat as you, and was holding off on a next-gen system until all three were out. But the PS3 looks absolutely mediocre at this stage - WHY would anyone line up and pay thru the nose to just to play Resistance or Heavenly Lair during christmas??? I'll take my Gears, thank you very much. And I know the point is to buy the future-proof ps3 as next year it's gonna rock - well then to those people I say BUY IT NEXT YEAR THEN! Not to mention all the first-gen hardware failures that were common in the ps2, and ps1 eras.

Even the Wii is TERRIBLY expensive considering it's heavily based on multiplayer and doesn't even include a classic controller. Not to mention, no Mario :( no Metroid :( :(

[rdtx2002]

Well it seems that a lot of the people buying PS3's in Japan had no interest in buying games (see my earlier link). It actually seems that most people really wanting ot get a PS3 at launch are people who just want to resell it for a profit..

i'm sorry.. i have to disagree with you.. people in Japan treat videogames as a culture.. the JApanese will not sell for profit.. they may not buy any games to start.. but why should they?

they have the abundance of PS2 games to play already.. they'll buy the Ps3 games when there is something they want to buy.

if it's North America.. yes.. i agree that most of the early adopters will sell for profit.. but not Japan.

[rdtx2002]

I'm in the same boat as you, and was holding off on a next-gen system until all three were out. But the PS3 looks absolutely mediocre at this stage - WHY would anyone line up and pay thru the nose to just to play Resistance or Heavenly Lair during christmas??? I'll take my Gears, thank you very much. And I know the point is to buy the future-proof ps3 as next year it's gonna rock - well then to those people I say BUY IT NEXT YEAR THEN! Not to mention all the first-gen hardware failures that were common in the ps2, and ps1 eras.


who says they are buying it to play those?.. there is Madden... and the abundance of Ps2 titles like FFXII

[sfu_lifer]

who says they are buying it to play those?.. there is Madden... and the abundance of Ps2 titles like FFXII

Because it's stupid if you're just buying a PS3 just to play your old PS2 games. I'd say 90%+ of people buying the PS3 have a PS2. If you sell your PS2 now (esp in Japan), you'd be lucky to sell it for $50. It makes no sense to buy an expensive console just to play your old classics that are completely unenhanced, which was a bummer to me when I found out since PS2 games are so jaggie. At least the 360 upscaled their games though some textures still looked like crap (sure it's not 100% compat but neither is the PS3 BC though it's much much better). And Madden on the PS3 is no better than the 360s - maybe you'll notice it's actually worse when some framedrops occur when the action gets heavy (and at a slightly more premium price).

And you'd be surprised how the Japanese culture has changed so much over the past 20 years (especially the younger ones buying this console). Some are more profit driven. I bet some of those stories about getting the chinese to line up are mainly hired by HK stores.

Oh BTW, if you have a Gamecube controller (I still have my two wavebirds), they'll work on all the Wii VC games so you don't need to buy the VC shell at all.

I do think the Wii is severely overpriced and they can cut down $50 and still make a profit. Nintendo's taking good care of their stockholders by holding steady at $279Cdn.

I wish the 360 will copy the PS3's good points (open HD format, cheap Wifi option, browser, lots of legacy video support, an option of buying a 360 with HD-DVD as the only drive inside-i'll sell my 360 in a heartbeat if that ever comes out since the HD-DVD drive is quiet compared to the crap we have now).

[jb22]

i'm sorry.. i have to disagree with you.. people in Japan treat videogames as a culture.. the JApanese will not sell for profit.. they may not buy any games to start.. but why should they?

they have the abundance of PS2 games to play already.. they'll buy the Ps3 games when there is something they want to buy.

if it's North America.. yes.. i agree that most of the early adopters will sell for profit.. but not Japan.

Umm, okay, maybe you might be interesting in the following links:

Japanese PS3 Launch - Foreigners and Fights (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php)

Maybe Japanse people do like making a profit (http://search.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/search?p=PS3&f=0x2&alocale=0jp&apg=1&s1=cbids&o1=d&mode=2&auccat=0)

Also can you explain the logic of this statment:

they may not buy any games to start.. but why should they?

they have the abundance of PS2 games to play already.. they'll buy the Ps3 games when there is something they want to buy.

Umm, why would the stand in line to buy a brand new next gen system if they weren't going to buy any games for it? So you really think someone would buy a PS3 just to play their old PS2 games. I mean you are saying someone wis going to wait out in line to buy a $600 maching to play games that they can play on their $130 machine that they have at home already? I mean really, this is a statment you put out there, I just want to make sure you want to stick with it.

[koncise]

Umm, why would the stand in line to buy a brand new next gen system if they weren't going to buy any games for it? So you really think someone would buy a PS3 just to play their old PS2 games. I mean you are saying someone wis going to wait out in line to buy a $600 maching to play games that they can play on their $130 machine that they have at home already? I mean really, this is a statment you put out there, I just want to make sure you want to stick with it.

I'm getting a ps3 at launch (this friday, 4 days!!!)... anyway, and i'm not getting any games on that day. I simply want to wait a week or 2 to decide which ones I want. The PS3 is so much more than a game console that you dont NEED to buy a game right away anyway... you can still come home and have a shitload to do with it... first thing i'll be doing is going online to d/l the 5 or so demo's available, which might help me decide what game(s) to buy... but I'm sure I'll pass LOTS of time just playing with all the multimedia features, as well as blu-ray movies...

but of course i'll buy some games in the near future.... im just trying to show that maybe more ppl think like me and thats why they're not buying games the same day they pick up the system

[Sgt_Strider]

Those who plan to replace the HDD should read this:


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745407p1.html

I have read the article and that is another reason why I won't be buying the premium version. 160GB 2.5" SATA hard drives should be released by early next year. Think about all the content that you can store in that drive.

[Sgt_Strider]

Because it's stupid if you're just buying a PS3 just to play your old PS2 games. I'd say 90%+ of people buying the PS3 have a PS2. If you sell your PS2 now (esp in Japan), you'd be lucky to sell it for $50. It makes no sense to buy an expensive console just to play your old classics that are completely unenhanced, which was a bummer to me when I found out since PS2 games are so jaggie. At least the 360 upscaled their games though some textures still looked like crap (sure it's not 100% compat but neither is the PS3 BC though it's much much better). And Madden on the PS3 is no better than the 360s - maybe you'll notice it's actually worse when some framedrops occur when the action gets heavy (and at a slightly more premium price).

And you'd be surprised how the Japanese culture has changed so much over the past 20 years (especially the younger ones buying this console). Some are more profit driven. I bet some of those stories about getting the chinese to line up are mainly hired by HK stores.

Oh BTW, if you have a Gamecube controller (I still have my two wavebirds), they'll work on all the Wii VC games so you don't need to buy the VC shell at all.

I do think the Wii is severely overpriced and they can cut down $50 and still make a profit. Nintendo's taking good care of their stockholders by holding steady at $279Cdn.

I wish the 360 will copy the PS3's good points (open HD format, cheap Wifi option, browser, lots of legacy video support, an option of buying a 360 with HD-DVD as the only drive inside-i'll sell my 360 in a heartbeat if that ever comes out since the HD-DVD drive is quiet compared to the crap we have now).

Well hopefully Microsoft will implement those points that you suggestedm, but I doubt it. I think a more realistic scenario is that Microsoft will release a Xbox 360 in black with a integrated HD-DVD drive and a 80 to 100 GB hard drive.

[ranjy]

If you sell your PS2 now (esp in Japan), you'd be lucky to sell it for $50.

I just sold mine on Oct 31st for $250 to make room for the PS3 :) Granted it came with a ton of games and accessories, but the buyer got a good deal all things considered.

I also kept a handful of classic games to me that I didn't want to lose that I love. I don't care if it's not upconverted (I'm talking about old school games like Atari greatest hits, Namco greatest hits, etc.)

[sleepyguy]

http://www.gametrailers.com/

check out the bonus round interviews. very good non-bias info. the COD dev was really fair... the middle guy seemed very to be in bed with sony a bit but also had some good points.

i'm going to probably follow the 1st guys advice as usually. i'll probably get the xbox360 when they come out with a new revision (if?) and get the ps3 a year later when 2nd gen titles are out. -sg

[Shoryuken]

OMG, you guys are gonna cry... we all want PS3 so bad but these guys got it and already took it apart!

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4908

:cry:

[marcopolo85]

http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/13/more-comments-from-phil-harrison-lifted-from-forthcoming-interview/

Just saw this article on another forums.

How’s Killzone coming along?

“With Killzone, the expectation internally and externally is very high – and I won’t show it until it’s going to exceed people’s expectations. It will be next year before we show it again, but it’s coming along very well. The team are working very hard, they know exactly what they have to do and there’s no doubt they will achieve it, but there’s nothing to be served by something that doesn’t satisfy my goals for the project. I can tell you, though, that some elements already exceed the trailer.”

[iamdman]

will future shop have any more pre-orders available online before the launch? anyone know?

[cipher]

will future shop have any more pre-orders available online before the launch? anyone know?

Are they even taking pre-orders? I thought that they weren't taking pre-orders and that's why people are camping out FS & BB.

[rfdghost]

Are they even taking pre-orders? I thought that they weren't taking pre-orders and that's why people are camping out FS & BB.

they never took any pre-orders and will not. bestbuy head office sent a message down to stop pre-orders or they were supposed to happen on nov.2 but they wanted as many units in store as possible for day 1.

tons people lining up infront of their stores = free publicity.

[Morten]

Just received email confirmation from TRU regarding online pre-order placed in March. Unfortunately they still say it is a bundle deal....

Guess I will pick from the games and try to return them. None of the games really interest me and what is with the price of the games...$85.99

The game are: Madden, Tiger Woods Golf, NHL 2K7, Tony Hawk, Genji

Congratulations on the pre-order of your Playstation 3 bundle from Toys "R" Us.ca.

The wait is over!

We wanted to send an email out to give you an advance look at the games that you can include in your bundle. You will be contacted by phone in the next week by a Customer Service Representative to confirm your order with the games that you would like to have included in your bundle.

The cost of the bundle will be:

60 GB Console price with controller -$659.99
Controller - $59.99
Game - $85.99
Game - $85.99
Total Cost before taxes - $891.96
Free Shipping
Taxes (based on province)

Please review the games below to select which ones you would like to include with your order. If you have not been contacted by a Customer Service Representative to confirm the details of your order by November 17th please contact us at 1-800-TOYSRUS.

If we are unable to contact you and confirm your pre-order by 11/19/06 this inventory will be released. Inventory of games is limited and cannot be guaranteed. All pre-orders placed are for the bundle only, consoles cannot be shipped individually.

[cipher]

Just received email confirmation from TRU regarding online pre-order placed in March. Unfortunately they still say it is a bundle deal....

Guess I will pick from the games and try to return them. None of the games really interest me and what is with the price of the games...$85.99

The game are: Madden, Tiger Woods Golf, NHL 2K7, Tony Hawk, Genji

Congratulations on the pre-order of your Playstation 3 bundle from Toys "R" Us.ca.

The wait is over!

We wanted to send an email out to give you an advance look at the games that you can include in your bundle. You will be contacted by phone in the next week by a Customer Service Representative to confirm your order with the games that you would like to have included in your bundle.

The cost of the bundle will be:

60 GB Console price with controller -$659.99
Controller - $59.99
Game - $85.99
Game - $85.99
Total Cost before taxes - $891.96
Free Shipping
Taxes (based on province)

Please review the games below to select which ones you would like to include with your order. If you have not been contacted by a Customer Service Representative to confirm the details of your order by November 17th please contact us at 1-800-TOYSRUS.

If we are unable to contact you and confirm your pre-order by 11/19/06 this inventory will be released. Inventory of games is limited and cannot be guaranteed. All pre-orders placed are for the bundle only, consoles cannot be shipped individually.

$85 for a game???? That's insane!

[BaconMunch]

$85 for a game???? That's insane!

And they're not even offering the Resistance title or anything worthwhile =/

Madden, Tiger Woods Golf, NHL 2K7, Tony Hawk, Genji

[Morten]

$85 for a game???? That's insane!

Just checked online, their price is $69.99. Great bundle price...We charge you more for buying more.

[Morten]

And they're not even offering the Resistance title or anything worthwhile =/

I will be returning the games for what I really want. I thought that TRU decided not to go with the bundle, or at least that was in their stores.

[Firestorm]

If you pre-ordered at EB Games... You got ****ed.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580.html

[kevin01]

If you pre-ordered at EB Games... You got ****ed.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580.html

especially those who traded in their system. what if the system was sold, what do they do now. 16 Preorders was way too much for one store, and eb 3-4 was a safe limit.

[AlphaTwo]

For the lazy:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580.html

GameStop not getting enough PS3s to fill preorders

A GameStop representative told GameSpot today that the company received launch allocation numbers from Sony, and that it won't be able to fill its existing PS3 preorders. The representative declined to comment on how many systems GameStop expected to receive, or how short of that figure the company's share of systems would be.

Those who reserved a system won't need to wait long to find out if they can expect a system on launch day. Starting tomorrow, customers who preordered a PS3 will be contacted personally by phone and updated on the status of their reservation, the rep said.

EB Canada was done like this: 5/8/16 for small, medium and large traffic stores. Most stores were at 5 and 8.


I'm not sure if my 4th in line for a 5 unit store is good enough.

[sfu_lifer]

especially those who traded in their system. what if the system was sold, what do they do now. 16 Preorders was way too much for one store, and eb 3-4 was a safe limit.

Blame this on Sony. Despite their protestrations, obviously they're not gonna make the initial 400K. Darn. I guess I"m gonna have to line up much earlier at Futureshop :(

[sfu_lifer]

http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/13/more-comments-from-phil-harrison-lifted-from-forthcoming-interview/

Just saw this article on another forums.
Ya right. I'll believe it when I see it. "...some elements of the trailer" is a worrying sign. Killzone 1 sucked in all ways (including the <25fps graphics). Hopefully they're up to the task with the PS3 version.

There are a LOT of publishers and developers out there trying to put a good word for Sony out there just to get on their good side. You have to learn to read between the lines since the PS3 dev environment sucks so hard.

Hm, sounds like the PS3 is a very interesting machine. I'll wait till the Linux hackers get their game on with the custom distro but it sounds like you will be able to play any media format you want by booting onto Linux. That sounds killer to me if they can get a custom cut-down distro that's just a media player (and hopefully an emulation machine). I doubt the casual user will get anywhere near touching Linux but that's pretty exciting to me. C'mon Sony, get cracking with the pricedrop and I'll be attaching the PS3 to my 360 (and upcoming Wii) ;)

[rfdghost]

you got to like how phil mentions that games run at 1080p when resistance which is probably the best launch title runs at max 720p. still not sold yet on purchasing a ps3 at the moment.

and for the eb/gamestop fiasco, i could see that coming a mile away. but if you read the fine print they don't guarentee you a console on day one.

[jerryhussain]

Resistance

http://www.1up.com/images/Ratings/1up-85.gif (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155184)

[jerryhussain]

http://img.3112.net/archive/2006/11/14/3112.net_39a8bf400067b19cf9d3923dbcb2b9df.jpg

http://img.3112.net/archive/2006/11/14/3112.net_e517c1f6ef8ae0b23b589ac93430edf3.jpg

:eek:

[Mike71]

For the lazy:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580.html



EB Canada was done like this: 5/8/16 for small, medium and large traffic stores. Most stores were at 5 and 8.


I'm not sure if my 4th in line for a 5 unit store is good enough.

Does anyone know if this is going to happen at EB Canada as well? I was in 6th place so I hope I still get a system cause its already sold!:D

[Jump]

Does anyone know if this is going to happen at EB Canada as well? I was in 6th place so I hope I still get a system cause its already sold!:D

My guess is yes since they're all owned by the same company. And they're more than likely to allocate some extra Canadian systems to fill the demand in their US stores cause no one liked a pissed off Yank :mad:

Best way to be 100% sure is to call the EB you preordered at tomorrow.

[AnthraX]

Lol: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/rumor-frys-forcing-mega-ps3wii-bundles-in-store-214459.php

[sfu_lifer]

http://img.3112.net/archive/2006/11/14/3112.net_39a8bf400067b19cf9d3923dbcb2b9df.jpg

http://img.3112.net/archive/2006/11/14/3112.net_e517c1f6ef8ae0b23b589ac93430edf3.jpg

:eek:

Maybe that's one of those bastards that hired the chinese elderly to line-up for him.

And damn, the PS3 box is HUGE (and I thought the Xbox1 was large):
http://image.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/0611/11/ki_ps3hanbaikaisi03.jpg

[AlphaTwo]

Does anyone know if this is going to happen at EB Canada as well? I was in 6th place so I hope I still get a system cause its already sold!:DYou are probably screwed.

They got a call today. Supply is cut, the question is how much. Apparently numbers are being tossed around. Expect a call soon from EB.

My #4 in line is probably no good anymore...:mad:

[Jump]

http://www.ebgames.com/gs/ps3/ps3_signup.asp

Due to the high demand and limited availability of the PlayStation 3 system, we will begin offering online bundles only after our initial in-store pre-orders are filled, which is anticipated before Christmas. We will update this page when new information is available.

If you pre-ordered a PlayStation 3 in-store, you will be contacted by Wednesday evening, regarding launch availability.

[Morten]

Lol: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/rumor-frys-forcing-mega-ps3wii-bundles-in-store-214459.php

And I thought the TRU online bundle was bad. Anyone else receive an email confirmation from TRU?

[rdtx2002]

who cares about Fry's.. that is in the USA

[sfu_lifer]

who cares about Fry's.. that is in the USA
You'd be surprised how many of us shop at Outpost/Frys.
They're a very cheap but opportunistic company.
I was thinking of going down to do some BF shopping there.

[rdtx2002]

i know what you mean sfu_lifer.. but i ain't travelling to Buffalo to get a Ps3 ;)

rather take my chances here than chances down there if it snows ;)

[john widow]

That guy is gonna eBay a bunch of those ps3's eh? What a pig.....o well.

[consoleboi]

Today was release day?
I thought it was after the NA launch?

And MS missed such a GREAT marketing opportunity there.
I'd put GoW on a few gigantic screens there just to get them to question the PS3's overhyped power.

OH pls MS fanboy.
Gears is good but graphically it's got it's faults as well...don't even get me started. IE. Look at the rain scene chapter..the trees/buildings look like it's got a watery cover gloss. I was playing with a friend who happens to work for a gaming company and he also pointed out yah..they did a crappy job here with the rain..



How about don't you over hype Gears..

With all the supposed powers of the xbox360, gears can only be locked down at 30 fps..while resistance is 60..

[dark169]

It seems that in Japan the ratio of games sold to systems sold over the weekend was less then 1 (0.98)
I guess the true sign of a fan boy is buying a system without a game :lol:

[rdtx2002]

It seems that in Japan the ratio of games sold to systems sold over the weekend was less then 1 (0.98)
I guess the true sign of a fan boy is buying a system without a game :lol:

that is because the launch library is not too impressive.

and how is this a true sign of a fanboy?.. you do realize that the Ps3 does have the 1000+ game library of PS2 and PS1 games.

[AlphaTwo]

It seems that in Japan the ratio of games sold to systems sold over the weekend was less then 1 (0.98)
I guess the true sign of a fan boy is buying a system without a game :lol:Maybe they are buying it for the Blu-Ray player.
Maybe they are buying it for PS2 games.
Maybe they are buying it as a Home Entertainment Linux box.

Whatever it is, 30,000+ copies of Ridge Racer 7 (highest selling game) is just pityful.

[consoleboi]

that is because the launch library is not too impressive.

and how is this a true sign of a fanboy?.. you do realize that the Ps3 does have the 1000+ game library of PS2 and PS1 games.

Actually the launch titles are pretty impressive compared to xbox360 launch. There are choices for almost every type of gamer.

Just that Japanese gamers have a different genre preference than North Americans. They're not too much into FPS.

If FF XIII was a launch title, it would be crazy..

It's the main reason I'm willing to camp out for PS3 as the launch has the titles I want to play like Genji and Untold legends. I had the xbox360 during launch and it sat there collecting dust for a year.

[Bunkhouse]

It seems that in Japan the ratio of games sold to systems sold over the weekend was less then 1 (0.98)
I guess the true sign of a fan boy is buying a system without a game :lol:The biggest suprise is that the PS3 didn't sell out after 2 days in Japan. Mind you their launch titles are horrible. Yeah lots of unit on aution sites in Japan :cheesygri.

[AlphaTwo]

Actually the launch titles are pretty impressive compared to xbox360 launch. There are choices for almost every type of gamer.
:-0

Sega Golf Club - Golf (Sports)
Genji - Hack and Slash (Action)
Resistance - Shooter (FPS)
Gundam: Target in Sight - Mech Sim (Action)
Ridge Racer 7 - Arcade Racing (Racing)

This is not diverse, nor is it plentyful.

[rdtx2002]

:-0

Sega Golf Club - Golf (Sports)
Genji - Hack and Slash (Action)
Resistance - Shooter (FPS)
Gundam: Target in Sight - Mech Sim (Action)
Ridge Racer 7 - Arcade Racing (Racing)

This is not diverse, nor is it plentyful.



hardly anything to get overly excited about.

[consoleboi]

hardly anything to get overly excited about.

I'm referring to the NA launch:

1. Resistance: Fall of Man - Sony
2. NBA 07 - Sony
3. Genji: Days of the Blade - Sony
4. Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII - Ubisoft
5. Call of Duty 3 - Activision
6. EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - Electronic Arts
8. F.E.A.R. - Vivendi Universal Games
9. Full Auto2: Battlelines - Sega
10. Madden NFL 07 - Electronic Arts
11. MARVEL:ULTIMATE ALLIANCE - Activision
12. Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE - NAMCO BANDAI Games
13. NBA 2K7 2K Sports
14. Need For Speed Carbon - Electronic Arts
15. NHL 2K7 - 2K Sports
16. RIDGE RACER 7 - NAMCO BANDAI Games
17. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 - Electronic Arts
18. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas - Ubisoft
19. Tony Hawk’s Project 8 - Activision
20. Untold Legends Dark Kingdom - Sony Online Entertainment

Sonic and Oblivion a month or two later

[sfu_lifer]

:-0

Sega Golf Club - Golf (Sports)
Genji - Hack and Slash (Action)
Resistance - Shooter (FPS)
Gundam: Target in Sight - Mech Sim (Action)
Ridge Racer 7 - Arcade Racing (Racing)

This is not diverse, nor is it plentyful.

Just rename him as "sonyboi" ;)
Untold Legends and Genji suck. I'd take Kameo over either of them any day of the week. The reviews will bear this out.
Resistance however, yum.

[consoleboi]

Just rename him as "sonyboi" ;)
Untold Legends and Genji suck. I'd take Kameo over either of them any day of the week.
Resistance however, yum.

Kettle calling the pot block xbox troll boy.
Kameo's controls suck like sh*t.

[BootsJessie]

The biggest suprise is that the PS3 didn't sell out after 2 days in Japan. :confused:

It sold out in a matter of hours.

[rfdghost]

:confused:

It sold out in a matter of hours.

if you consider sold out as re-appearing in store windows as used (still sealed) for twice the msrp.

[AlphaTwo]

I'm referring to the NA launch:

1. Resistance: Fall of Man - Sony
2. NBA 07 - Sony
3. Genji: Days of the Blade - Sony
4. Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII - Ubisoft
5. Call of Duty 3 - Activision
6. EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - Electronic Arts
8. F.E.A.R. - Vivendi Universal Games
9. Full Auto2: Battlelines - Sega
10. Madden NFL 07 - Electronic Arts
11. MARVEL:ULTIMATE ALLIANCE - Activision
12. Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE - NAMCO BANDAI Games
13. NBA 2K7 2K Sports
14. Need For Speed Carbon - Electronic Arts
15. NHL 2K7 - 2K Sports
16. RIDGE RACER 7 - NAMCO BANDAI Games
17. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 - Electronic Arts
18. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas - Ubisoft
19. Tony Hawk’s Project 8 - Activision
20. Untold Legends Dark Kingdom - Sony Online Entertainment

Sonic and Oblivion a month or two later
A) You were quoting about the Japan launch...
B) I've highlighted your list to denote what is exclusive to PS3. The non-highlighted ones are also on 360...

7 original titles out of 20 is not terribly exciting. Oh, Fear is also not launch.

[rdtx2002]

from that list.. Tiger and Madden will most likely push units.

[Bunkhouse]

:confused:

It sold out in a matter of hours.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061113/tc_nm/sony_dc

sold 88,400 units of its PlayStation 3 game console in the first two days after the launch in Japan, leaving most stores without any stock Near sellout perhaps?

[consoleboi]

A) You were quoting about the Japan launch...
B) I've highlighted your list to denote what is exclusive to PS3. The non-highlighted ones are also on 360...

7 original titles out of 20 is not terribly exciting. Oh, Fear is also not launch.

I don't care if xbox360 has them or not.
I'm just showing ppl the launch list is way better than what the xbox360 had!

Pls don't say I'm a sony fanboy. I have both the xbox and xbox360.
I'm telling like it is.

[rdtx2002]

I don't care if xbox360 has them or not.
I'm just showing ppl the launch list is way better than what the xbox360 had!

Pls don't say I'm a sony fanboy. I have both the xbox and xbox360.
I'm telling like it is.

you'll be labelled a Sony fanboy regardless ;)

[dark169]

.. you do realize that the Ps3 does have the 1000+ game library of PS2 and PS1 games.

You do realize that so does the PS2 :lol:

No one is going to pay the big bucks for the ps3 for the ps2/1 games as if they are willing to shell out the bucks (and have all those games already) they'd own a PS2 already. No one runs out buys a ps3 and then runs over to the ps2 section to pick up a bunch of games...

I do think the ps3 is a great system but its launch has hurt it short term, when sony cuts the price and gets some more games out there it'll be the system to buy. Personally I think end of summer 2008 would be teh time to look at the ps3...

[rdtx2002]

You do realize that so does the PS2 :lol:

No one is going to pay the big bucks for the ps3 for the ps2/1 games as if they are willing to shell out the bucks (and have all those games already) they'd own a PS2 already. No one runs out buys a ps3 and then runs over to the ps2 section to pick up a bunch of games...

I do think the ps3 is a great system but its launch has hurt it short term, when sony cuts the price and gets some more games out there it'll be the system to buy. Personally I think end of summer 2008 would be teh time to look at the ps3...

no idea what you are laughing about but people do and will play their PS2 games on the PS3.. maybe their PS2 is dying or has DREs and they wanted to wait for the Ps3 to replay their games.

"No one" runs out buys a ps3 and pick up a ps2 game?... i'm sorry but i'll have to disagree there..

the only time to look at a ps3 is when there is a viable BD-Writer and modchip :cheesygri

[Alvito]

The 35 ps3s a few pages back, how come nobody thinks him and his buddies stacked their ps3s and took a picture of it?

[Neovingian]

I don't care if xbox360 has them or not.
I'm just showing ppl the launch list is way better than what the xbox360 had!

Pls don't say I'm a sony fanboy. I have both the xbox and xbox360.
I'm telling like it is....You've got to be kidding, this launch is one of the sloppiest console launches in history. The launch titles are even worse than the PS2 & PS1. The Wii has a better list of launch titles, gameboy, DS & I'll even go as far as saying Turbografx 16 had better launch titles, but Nintendo typically doesn't disappoint when it comes to launch titles.

Things that have caused me concern about the PS3:
- The console requires a major update the moment you take it out of the box? Not a good sign.
- It doesn't have 100% backwards compatibility, as it was rumored to have. its been proven that some titles don't appear to work?
- Does not work with guitar hero 2.... WTF?...
- They swapped out rumble feedback for motion sensitivity, when they could have included both.
- Launch console ships w/ no HDMI cables? or Component?, yet they were able to include Talladga Nights?
- And what this about various launch titles not being able to output true 1080p?...That just ain't right?

* Who knows?...If Sony didn't have to spend so much on lawsuits & battery recalls we may have had HDMI cables.

While some XB360's bricked & had heating issues, at least MSFT addressed those issues & was honest & admitted that only selected titles would be compatible.

IMHO, the reall winner will be the Wii.

Not looking Good 4 Sony...but i'll prolly still get a PS3, but not til MGS4, which i'm sure we all know won't be released in March 07' as listed. By the time MGS4 is released it may be announced for XB360.

[rdtx2002]

[COLOR="Navy"].
Things that have caused me concern about the PS3:
- The console requires a major update the moment you take it out of the box? Not a good sign.

same thing happened to PSP.. so it's really a non issue

- It doesn't have 100% backwards compatibility, as it was rumored to have. its been proven that some titles don't appear to work?

same issue with Ps2 where some PSX games did not work.

- Does not work with guitar hero 2.... WTF?...

that can be a concern..

- They swapped out rumble feedback for motion sensitivity, when they could have included both.

legal issues.. Sony lost a suit against some guy with a patent for rumble tech. maybe in the future it'll be incorporated again.

- Launch console ships w/ no HDMI cables? or Component?, yet they were able to include Talladga Nights?

HDMI cables are 10 us dollars.. not an issue.. but i understand your point.. they should at 'minimum' include Component cables.

- And what this about various launch titles not being able to output true 1080p?...That just ain't right?

Sony forced all developers to develop with 1080p in mind.. some are lazy and just want to 'transpose' this to 1080p when they have it already on 720p for example.

* Who knows?...If Sony didn't have to spend so much on lawsuits & battery recalls we may have had HDMI cables.

irrelevant to the topic.

By the time MGS4 is released it may be announced for XB360.

won't happen.. Sony this time 'really' bought out Kojima.




I know.. some of you people will flame me and call me a fanboy.. i'll admit that i 'prefer' the Playstation brand.. but I understand that it has it's faults. only a fanboy does not admit that. Anyhow, like I have mentioned earlier, only reason for me to line up is to make money. I won't buy a PS3 for personal use until there is a modchip and viable BR-Burner

[sleepyguy]

Things that have caused me concern about the PS3:
- The console requires a major update the moment you take it out of the box? Not a good sign.

SG - Not a big deal imho... Consoles are like damn PCs nowadays... patches up the wahoo! WII should remedy that though :)


- It doesn't have 100% backwards compatibility, as it was rumored to have. its been proven that some titles don't appear to work?
- Does not work with guitar hero 2.... WTF?...

SG - Same can be said of Xbox360 and it's emulation, so not a real negative imho... unless Sony CLAIMED 100% compatiblity and didn't deliver... that would suck then.


- They swapped out rumble feedback for motion sensitivity, when they could have included both.

SG - Rumble is awesome on PS2+Xbox imho... I concur that removing it was a BIG mistake.


- Launch console ships w/ no HDMI cables? or Component?, yet they were able to include Talladga Nights?

SG - very very lame... wtf... does it come with composite cables or something? that is ridiculous! ok for last gen but not NEXTGEN!


- And what this about various launch titles not being able to output true 1080p?...That just ain't right?

SG - if Sony didn't claim all titles would be 1080P then no harm... if they did than they suck.


* Who knows?...If Sony didn't have to spend so much on lawsuits & battery recalls we may have had HDMI cables.

SG - no comment

While some XB360's bricked & had heating issues, at least MSFT addressed those issues & was honest & admitted that only selected titles would be compatible.

[marcopolo85]

there were 194 titles that were confirmed had problems. The main problem that was occuring was that most of these titles did not have any sound but were still playable. A future firmware update will be able to fix the problem with the backward compatability.

[rinse]

btw, NBA 07 was cancelled.

[rdtx2002]

there were 194 titles that were confirmed had problems. The main problem that was occuring was that most of these titles did not have any sound but were still playable. A future firmware update will be able to fix the problem with the backward compatability.

at least there is action to retify the problem

[marcopolo85]

at least there is action to retify the problem

just aslong as GT4 works imhappy :)

[AlphaTwo]

btw, NBA 07 was cancelled.

NBA Live 07 != NBA 2K7 != NBA 07

[Neovingian]

same thing happened to PSP.. so it's really a non issue

- requiring a major update right from the start

legal issues.. Sony lost a suit against some guy with a patent for rumble tech. maybe in the future it'll be incorporated again.

HDMI cables are 10 us dollars.. not an issue.. but i understand your point.. they should at 'minimum' include Component cables.

won't happen.. Sony this time 'really' bought out Kojima.

I know.. some of you people will flame me and call me a fanboy.. i'll admit that i 'prefer' the Playstation brand.. but I understand that it has it's faults. only a fanboy does not admit that. Anyhow, like I have mentioned earlier, only reason for me to line up is to make money. I won't buy a PS3 for personal use until there is a modchip and viable BR-BurnerThnx 4 the answers...I'm aware of the reaso for SNY not icluding HDMI cables & rumble support, however thier reasons for this may be related.

4 teh record, rdtx2002I, don't think your a Sony FB since you admitted the consoles faults & plan on modding it, ur more of a capitalist since your primary intention is to turn a profit. I know better than to try to have a discussion w/ a PS fanboy...I know this thread is crawling with them.

Regardless if they bought out Komija, if they can't manufacture enough consoles & get thier shipping in order, I guarantee you....they won't release MGS4 or any franchise title for that matter. Its now rumored to be released in Q4 of 2007 + I doubt it'll be ready in 4 months + I'd rather they take their time & with it rush so it can be released in March.

I'd also just like to add:.
I'm pretty sure Sony's legal toubles & issues w/ baterry recall had a lot to do with the decsion to bring down the console costs. Im also sure it was a financial decision that came from higher up.

Although patches & firmware updates are quite common, the fact that a major update is required right out the box in order for the PS3 to function properly, leads me to belive the console was rushed for the sloppy launch.
PS3 1.5 firmware allowed hacks & homebrew apps. I wonder if this will apply to PS3.

MSFT never claimed XB360 had 100% backward compatibility they said from jump it would only apply to select titles, with more being added later thru firmware updates.

Interesting how you prefer the PS brand but won't buy one until modchip is released? Are you really planning on spending all that $$$$ on a console to risk modding it? You'll be waiting a long time for a BR-Burner....LOL!!

[dougi3000]

anyone know when futureshop opens for ps3?

[AlphaTwo]

Latest fun-news/rumblings from the InterWeb.

Sony initial stock is actually half, ranging anywhere form 120,000 - 200,000 units.

Some retailers are told they will have nothing at launch.

[rdtx2002]

Thnx 4 the answers...I'm aware of the reaso for SNY not icluding HDMI cables & rumble support, however thier reasons for this may be related.

thats all cool

4 teh record, rdtx2002I, don't think your a Sony FB since you admitted the consoles faults & plan on modding it, ur more of a capitalist since your primary intention is to turn a profit. I know better than to try to have a discussion w/ a PS fanboy...I know this thread is crawling with them.

as you know with internet forums. People are quick to judge and people are labelled fanboys even if they prefer PS over XB by 1% ;)

Regardless if they bought out Komija, if they can't manufacture enough consoles & get thier shipping in order, I guarantee you....they won't release MGS4 or any franchise title for that matter. Its now rumored to be released in Q4 of 2007 + I doubt it'll be ready in 4 months + I'd rather they take their time & with it rush so it can be released in March.

I'm pretty sure MGS4 and the next generation Gran Turismo will launch when Sony gets their act in gear and ramps up production. Then there is GTA and FFXIII on the wing also to help boost sales. Quite honestly, I don't think Sony is that afraid at the moment. Could be wrong though.

I'd also just like to add:.
I'm pretty sure Sony's legal toubles & issues w/ baterry recall had a lot to do with the decsion to bring down the console costs. Im also sure it was a financial decision that came from higher up.p

won't argue that point becuase I tend to agree with that assessment.

Although patches & firmware updates are quite common, the fact that a major update is required right out the box in order for the PS3 to function properly, leads me to belive the console was rushed for the sloppy launch.
PS3 1.5 firmware allowed hacks & homebrew apps. I wonder if this will apply to PS3.

Once you add a HDD to a console anything can happen. Let's see who will be an exploit out (if it exists) before the major update :lol:

MSFT never claimed XB360 had 100% backward compatibility they said from jump it would only apply to select titles, with more being added later thru firmware updates.

you know Sony.. even if it is 98% compatible, they'll still beat out their chest and say 100%.

Interesting how you prefer the PS brand but won't buy one until modchip is released? Are you really planning on spending all that $$$$ on a console to risk modding it? You'll be waiting a long time for a BR-Burner....LOL!!

I didn't have a problem modding Ps2 and PS1 since I'm a semi-retired modder myself. So I don't think I will be concerned with any risks involved.

as for the BluRay burner. I have no idea why you are laughing. People argued that the DVD9 burner will never see the light of day. Look what happened. You know and I now that a BluRay burner WILL come out. Let's not kid ourselves here.

and yes, I won't buy a PS3 for personal use until a viable modchip is out. Then I can guarantee myself of a 'better' version Ps3. Of course, other factors like life get in the way also.

[Neovingian]

thats all cool
I didn't have a problem modding Ps2 and PS1 since I'm a semi-retired modder myself. So I don't think I will be concerned with any risks involved.
as for the BluRay burner. I have no idea why you are laughing. People argued that the DVD9 burner will never see the light of day. Look what happened. You know and I now that a BluRay burner WILL come out. Let's not kid ourselves here.

and yes, I won't buy a PS3 for personal use until a viable modchip is out. Then I can guarantee myself of a 'better' version Ps3. Of course, other factors like life get in the way also....I wasn't laughing @ you or ur comments...I was laughing @ the thought of a BR or BD-DVD burner any time soon. They are a long time away. Consider theat the avg Blu Ray player costs between $700-1000. Im sure at some stage in my life a Blue Ray burner will be released, but im sure the cost of the blank discs alone would be an astronomical $50+ per disc. I recall when DL- DVDs came out they were around roughly $25 per disc. Since Blue-Ray can hold between 25-50 GB of data. Im sure the cost of the media & hardware alone would turn most people away from purchasing a Blu-Ray Burner. BUt we'll have to wait & see how this unfolds, my best estimate is sometime in 2009.

Also i'm sure you know, part of the reason Sony decided to go with Blu-Ray media & hardware is to counter the piracy of HD content, movies & software.

[rdtx2002]

I was laughing @ the thought of a BR or BD-DVD burner any time soon. They are a long time away. Consider theat the avg Blu Ray player costs between $700-1000.

the price of a DVD Player the time of the Ps2 was way up there also, lets not for get that. Of course.. demand will drive the price down. We shall see what happens. But then again.. not just waiting for a BluRay burner.. but also the possibility of the exploit and the use of a 300+GB HDD that can be attached to the PS3 without any issues. It'll probably start off like PSP at first with ISOs on the HDD.

Im sure at some stage in my life a Blue Ray burner will be released, but im sure the cost of the blank discs alone would be an astronomical $50+ per disc. I recall when DL- DVDs came out they were around roughly $25 per disc.

$25 dollars a disc.. but after a year.. it's like 80 cents for a Dual Layer disc

Since Blue-Ray can hold between 25-50 GB of data. Im sure the cost of the media & hardware alone would turn most people away from purchasing a Blu-Ray Burner. BUt we'll have to wait & see how this unfolds, my best estimate is sometime in 2009.

the DVD9 didn't turn people away.. I doubt the BluRay will either. we shall see... you estimate 2009?.. i'm thinking more 2008 actually.

Also i'm sure you know, part of the reason Sony decided to go with Blu-Ray media & hardware is to counter the piracy of HD content, movies & software.

same reason why Sony went to DVDs because it was theoretically 'harder' to hack. we know how that went.

It may be just me, but from modding the Ps2 and all their versions. Each and every single new version was easier to mod. Don't think Sony doesn't have a hand in all the piracy; even though they will NEVER admit that. ;)

[rdtx2002]

btw... the BluRay Writer already exists.. just needs to be available to the consumer at a reasonable price.

Pioneer BDR-101A for the astonomical price of $999

Blank 25GB discs are $25 a pop, 50GB for $48 dollars

quite similar to the DVD9 when it first came out don't you think? :twisted:

[kevin01]

I just called up zellers for my preorder. Firstly, you cannot return or even exchange the games that come with the bundle. So everyones gonna have to keep bloody angels and resistance. Secondly the lady said a coworker said they might not give them out till the 22nd!!!! But she asked the manager in case and he sed that he hasnt heard anything like that, and as of right now, they should be given out on the 17th. Dont know what to think now...

[rfdghost]

reports coming in that 200+ ps1/2 games aren't working, or have glitches atm

[JeiJei]

reports coming in that 200+ ps1/2 games aren't working, or have glitches atm

I believe considering there's like over 10K PS1/2 games out there, having only that (which is like less than 2%) is fairly good.

360 has like what? 2% of working XBox games on their BC list?! :D

[Neovingian]

I believe considering there's like over 10K PS1/2 games out there, having only that (which is like less than 2%) is fairly good.

360 has like what? 2% of working XBox games on their BC list?! :D...The % of working games is higher than 2% but you can't compare the two since PS1 & PS2 has a combined catalogue of over 7500 games. As I recall, from the date of XB 360 launch MSFT never claimed the 360 would be 100% backward compatible. It was advertised that only certain titles would be compatible & there was even a list of supported games listed on the xbox site...so MSFT, more or less told the truth, where as Sony basically lied to everyone...........again!.

[zero_2003]

Can I play Final Fantasy 7 on the PS3 for $5?

The question is, do you know which games are incompatible? Simply saying that 2% of the PS1 or PS2 will not be compatible for the PS3 is a BROAD statement. I want to know if FF7 is compatible or not.

I just want to say that the games that are incompatible better be garbage titles that no one plays, or else Sony is going to get it from their gamers.

[lionboy]

the price of a DVD Player the time of the Ps2 was way up there also, lets not for get that. Of course.. demand will drive the price down.

LOL!!! funniest thing It just made my day ....

Demand will drive the price down certainly is driving PS3 prices down on ebay :lol:

[rdtx2002]

LOL!!! funniest thing It just made my day ....

Demand will drive the price down certainly is driving PS3 prices down on ebay :lol:

read the whole sentence first and NOT PICK APARTthe sentence you moron.

my sentence was in reference to the earlier years of DVD players when the Ps2 came out.. more demand meant more supply, therefore lower price.

geez.. i hate people that take stuff OUT OF CONTEXT

[rdtx2002]

.so MSFT, more or less told the truth, where as Sony basically lied to everyone...........again!.[/COLOR]

you could have said that Sony was inaccurate.... i wonder why you chose 'lied and again' in the same sentence ;)

[BigBadBoo]

you could have said that Sony was inaccurate.... i wonder why you chose 'lied and again' in the same sentence ;)

reading just thru the last 2 pages or so of your posts, its evident you are a Sony fanboy, and again the quote just confirms it

relax, Sony will be ok, really...

and dont call developers who cant do 1080p 'lazy', performance on games highly depends on the game itself and what its drawing on screen

[rdtx2002]

reading just thru the last 2 pages or so of your posts, its evident you are a Sony fanboy, and again the quote just confirms it

up to you.. not that i care what you think about me.

relax, Sony will be ok, really...

I know they'll be ok, but thanks for your concern. The shareholders are happy that you told them Sony is ok.

and dont call developers who cant do 1080p 'lazy', performance on games highly depends on the game itself and what its drawing on screen

and who makes the game and codes the graphics?.. that is right.. the DEVELOPERS

who is 'suppose' to optimize the performance of the game?.. that is right.. the DEVELOPERS

catch my drift? ;)

[AlphaTwo]

Can I play Final Fantasy 7 on the PS3 for $5?

The question is, do you know which games are incompatible? Simply saying that 2% of the PS1 or PS2 will not be compatible for the PS3 is a BROAD statement. I want to know if FF7 is compatible or not.

I just want to say that the games that are incompatible better be garbage titles that no one plays, or else Sony is going to get it from their gamers.

Here's the thing:

You have FF7.

Which almost certainly implies you have a PS1 or PS2.

Will that not work when PS3 comes out?

[rdtx2002]

Here's the thing:

You have FF7.

Which almost certainly implies you have a PS1 or PS2.

Will that not work when PS3 comes out?

that only 'named' game so far that doesn't work is Guitar Hero 2.. but a patch is coming to 'fix' that problem.

[jm20]

that only 'named' game so far that doesn't work is Guitar Hero 2.. but a patch is coming to 'fix' that problem.
ORLY?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4936

[rdtx2002]

ORLY?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4936

thanks for the update, didn't see that article

[akito925]

..........Aren't they gonna be sold out by the time the first few hundred or so buy it? What's with the dudes outside opening the ps3 box? That's a little risky with theft and all. And all these people waiting in line, it's like hurricane katrina, only under control. And just imagine anyone could harm all those ppl waiting in line.

In japan you don't have to worry about theft, the japanese culture is just thta complicated.. id you drop your wallet, or cell phone, the japanese people will go out of their ways to return your wallet.. or if you dropped your wallet no one will pick it up, it will be left there as where you dropped it..
so worries of theft at all.


I'm referring to the NA launch:

1. Resistance: Fall of Man - Sony
2. NBA 07 - Sony
3. Genji: Days of the Blade - Sony
4. Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII - Ubisoft
5. Call of Duty 3 - Activision
6. EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - Electronic Arts
8. F.E.A.R. - Vivendi Universal Games
9. Full Auto2: Battlelines - Sega
10. Madden NFL 07 - Electronic Arts
11. MARVEL:ULTIMATE ALLIANCE - Activision
12. Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE - NAMCO BANDAI Games
13. NBA 2K7 2K Sports
14. Need For Speed Carbon - Electronic Arts
15. NHL 2K7 - 2K Sports
16. RIDGE RACER 7 - NAMCO BANDAI Games
17. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 - Electronic Arts
18. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas - Ubisoft
19. Tony Hawk’s Project 8 - Activision
20. Untold Legends Dark Kingdom - Sony Online Entertainment

Not too many games that interests me, mayb 1-2 games.. mobile suit gundam crossfire, and ridge racer 7

[QUOTE=jm20;4165816]ORLY?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4936

According to IGN, Sony commented on its backwards compatibility that it never had expectation for all of its titles to be playable on PS3, and that "some people can put up with playing games that lack sound."

yeah sure okay... I'm not one of thta persons that play games with the lack of sound.. its no use to play a game without sound..

[AlphaTwo]

that only 'named' game so far that doesn't work is Guitar Hero 2.. but a patch is coming to 'fix' that problem.Guitar Hero's compatibilty problem comes from the fact that the controller doesn't come with the new PS3 Home button, which breaks controller compatibility, even if you connect via PS2 to USB. (Recommended way Sony suggest to hook up PS2 controllers to PS3.)

[Neovingian]

you could have said that Sony was inaccurate.... i wonder why you chose 'lied and again' in the same sentence ;)
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363890

looks like i'm not the only person who thinks that Sony lied to us!

[jamgyu]

soo.... i got a call from toys R us today

turns out my pre-order isn't coming in on friday... im kinda peeved about this since i ordered my unit back in april... turns out the store is getting only 9 units and there were 9 people who ordered before me

they told me that sony has told them that a second shipment will most likely come in the next few weeks before christmas

they did offer me the option of going for the 20gig version this friday instead

from what i understand the 20 gig doesn't have wifi or all the connectors that the 60gig does... which to me is worth the extra $$$... i really want the wifi

is it 100% confirmed that the 20 gig version doesn't have wifi?

[veejam]

you might as well get the 20gb and make a profit off it on ebay

[johnmoon]

soo.... i got a call from toys R us today

turns out my pre-order isn't coming in on friday... im kinda peeved about this since i ordered my unit back in april... turns out the store is getting only 9 units and there were 9 people who ordered before me

they told me that sony has told them that a second shipment will most likely come in the next few weeks before christmas

they did offer me the option of going for the 20gig version this friday instead

from what i understand the 20 gig doesn't have wifi or all the connectors that the 60gig does... which to me is worth the extra $$$... i really want the wifi

is it 100% confirmed that the 20 gig version doesn't have wifi?

yup no wifi for 20gb

[belfour]

North American PS3 Launch Shipment Halved????

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/480.html

[chuu]

North American PS3 Launch Shipment Halved????

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/480.html

Can someone paste the article for us stuck at work please :lol:

[89fan]

Yeah, we got a call from EB stating that they only got 6 PS3's and we were #7. Then they tried telling us that we were #8 in line. They also offered us a 20GB PS3...wtf do we want one of those for???

I honestly think that the dame employees/managers are keeping them for themselves.

They also told us the 2nd shipment willl be here in 2-6 weeks.

NOT IMPRESSED :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[belfour]

Can someone paste the article for us stuck at work please :lol:

Here you go.


North American PS3 Launch Shipment Halved



According to Lazard analyst Colin Sebastian, citing retail checks as a source, retailers may only see 150,000 - 200,000 PS3s for launch day on November 17. If this is true, it means we're getting less than half of what Sony planned to ship.

To help clarify the issue further, PSX Extreme contacted a GameStop manager about the issue, and he did confirm that the North American launch shipment was cut from 400,000 to 200,000, which doesn't bode well for their preorders.

Sony maintains its goals of 400,000 PS3s for launch and 1-1.2 million units shipped by the end of the year, but recently, those numbers have been called into question. Big-name publisher EA estimated last week that Sony might only provide 500-800k PS3s to North America in 2006, and Sebastian now predicts that Sony will sell about 750,000 PS3s by year's end.

Included in the rest of the report, Sebastian believes that game publishers won't rake in the next-gen big bucks right off the bat; he wrote that Lazard expects less than 15% ($350 - $400 million) of software sales to come from the Wii and PS3, with the majority of sales coming from the already-established systems like the 360, PS2, and handhelds. Hardware manufacturers, on the other hand, will certainly see a bigger financial impact once the consoles are launched.

The analyst also mentioned "recognizable" brands like EA's Madden series would "dominate" software sales at launch. Of course, Madden NFL 07 is already sitting close to the #1 slot of the most popular PS3 game preorders, and it's at #5 on the Wii list.

Lastly, Sebastian wrote-

"With a disproportionate number of new consoles purchased in the launch window by "hardcore" gamers and technology first movers, we believe that new properties also have the potential to sell well."

[jamgyu]

you might as well get the 20gb and make a profit off it on ebay



would a 20gb ps3 even make a profit on ebay?

[rfdghost]

would a 20gb ps3 even make a profit on ebay?

easy answer no, this is what happens when too many profiteers are in the loop.

Those Japanese PS3 Auctions Hit Reasonable

For those that want them, the consoles are there. And not even at that much of a price, really. The intertubes have been flooded with consoles, and Yahoo! Auctions in Japan has the PLAYSTATION 3 coming out the whazoo. And at near deals at that!

The Associated Press reports that the 60 GB version has selling close to the retail price of 60,000 yen (US $510). And that's with software thrown in.

That is, many resellers might be losing money on their investments. The huge bids placed on Yahoo! turned out to be bogus and were cancelled. My question: Is this launch turning out to a total bust? Brian Ashcraft

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/those-japanese-ps3-auctions-hit-reasonable-215106.php

[go leafs]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html

PS3 Downscales 720p on Incapable TVs
If your TV doesn't support a specific resolution, expect to go low-res.
by Jeremy Dunham

November 15, 2006 - As final PlayStation 3 units continue to trickle into more and more hands, additional details about how the system works and what it can and can't do are hitting the web. The latest (rather major) tidbit is how the console treats the upscaling and downscaling of 720p titles on televisions that don't support that resolution -- specifically those that are 1080i capable.

As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that boast only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolutions will have 720p signals downsized to 480 instead of being upscaled to 1080i. We tested this development on older television sets with max-720 games Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downscaled all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.

The PlayStation 3's competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360, does upscale 720p games to 1080i if the set supports the latter resolution but not 720p.

IGN contacted Sony representatives for comment regarding this feature, but SCEA spokespeople have yet t return our phone calls as we went to press (we'll update this story when they do).

For the laymen, 720p is a high-definition format that offers a complete 720-pixel line frame on the screen at 24 to 60 frames per second (progressive), while the 1080i signal is presented as two 540-pixel fields that when displayed back to back look like a complete image (interlaced). The difference being that a 720p picture offers quicker refresh rates while 1080i offers more detail with stationary imagery.


>:(

[BigBadBoo]

and who makes the game and codes the graphics?.. that is right.. the DEVELOPERS

who is 'suppose' to optimize the performance of the game?.. that is right.. the DEVELOPERS

catch my drift? ;)

Ya, good, keep believing the marketting BS. I'm sure game developers would love to go through hell just to make the 5 people in the world with 1080p tvs happy.

[kevin01]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html

PS3 Downscales 720p on Incapable TVs
If your TV doesn't support a specific resolution, expect to go low-res.
by Jeremy Dunham

November 15, 2006 - As final PlayStation 3 units continue to trickle into more and more hands, additional details about how the system works and what it can and can't do are hitting the web. The latest (rather major) tidbit is how the console treats the upscaling and downscaling of 720p titles on televisions that don't support that resolution -- specifically those that are 1080i capable.

As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that boast only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolutions will have 720p signals downsized to 480 instead of being upscaled to 1080i. We tested this development on older television sets with max-720 games Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downscaled all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.

The PlayStation 3's competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360, does upscale 720p games to 1080i if the set supports the latter resolution but not 720p.

IGN contacted Sony representatives for comment regarding this feature, but SCEA spokespeople have yet t return our phone calls as we went to press (we'll update this story when they do).

For the laymen, 720p is a high-definition format that offers a complete 720-pixel line frame on the screen at 24 to 60 frames per second (progressive), while the 1080i signal is presented as two 540-pixel fields that when displayed back to back look like a complete image (interlaced). The difference being that a 720p picture offers quicker refresh rates while 1080i offers more detail with stationary imagery.


>:(

just found out my tv is 1080i, so this is pretty bad. cant play nhl, resistance, nba or carbon on 1080i

[go leafs]

just found out my tv is 1080i, so this is pretty bad. cant play nhl, resistance, nba or carbon on 1080i

same here... funny that my Rogers cable box and 360 can upscale, but the ps3 can't :confused: No HD gaming for me. (for these 5 games, at least; hopefully there aren't more that are max 720p)

[kevin01]

same here... funny that my Rogers cable box and 360 can upscale, but the ps3 can't :confused: No HD gaming for me. (for these 5 games, at least; hopefully there aren't more that are max 720p)

i think if blu-ray movies were like that it should upscale?

[uddinf]

just found out my tv is 1080i, so this is pretty bad. cant play nhl, resistance, nba or carbon on 1080i

wow, this could be a deal breaker for me. I was planning on getting a ps3 sometime next year but if this is true or not fixed in an update, then I'm officially out of the ps3 potential buyer list.

[jerryhussain]

just found out my tv is 1080i, so this is pretty bad. cant play nhl, resistance, nba or carbon on 1080i
Wont your tv upscale the 720p signal? I think most sets that are 1080i, also have a 720p mode.

[kevin01]

Wont your tv upscale the 720p signal? I think most sets that are 1080i, also have a 720p mode.

Yeah i think it should stay to the 720p signal not 480:confused: Why would it go down, unless the tv has 1080i but not p:confused: :confused:

[mart242]

Yeah i think it should stay to the 720p signal not 480:confused: Why would it go down, unless the tv has 1080i but not p:confused: :confused:

It's the tv that's doing this, not the PS3. I suppose that the tv thinks that it's better to downscale 720p to 480p instead of "upscaling" it to 1080i (is 720p -> 1080i really upscaling?)

[kevin01]

It's the tv that's doing this, not the PS3. I suppose that the tv thinks that it's better to downscale 720p to 480p instead of "upscaling" it to 1080i (is 720p -> 1080i really upscaling?)

ok i dont understand. My tv supports 720p, so would it downscale it, because it shouldnt. It should support it if hte game supports it.

[go leafs]

Many CRT HDTVs can't convert the 720p to 1080i.. mine just displays a messed up screen if I set the XBOX360 to 720P. If I have a 720p source like an XBOX 360 game or a cable TV channel, I set the device to 1080i and it automatically converts any 720p content to 1080i (keeping it in HD). For some reason the PS3 can't do this, so 720p HD content is downscaled to 480p (not HD).

If your TV can already convert 720p to 1080i, or if it supports 720p already, you won't have a problem. If your TV converts 720p to 480p or just doesn't accept 720p, you won't be able to have HD gaming on the PS3 for these 5 games (at least).

[Bunkhouse]

If your TV can already convert 720p to 1080iSome TV's cause a delay of 1-1 1/2 seconds in the process of upconverting which really meses up timing when you play games.

[kevin01]

Many CRT HDTVs can't convert the 720p to 1080i.. mine just displays a messed up screen if I set the XBOX360 to 720P. If I have a 720p source like an XBOX 360 game or a cable TV channel, I set the device to 1080i and it automatically converts any 720p content to 1080i (keeping it in HD). For some reason the PS3 can't do this, so 720p HD content is downscaled to 480p (not HD).

If your TV can already convert 720p to 1080i, or if it supports 720p already, you won't have a problem. If your TV converts 720p to 480p or just doesn't accept 720p, you won't be able to have HD gaming on the PS3 for these 5 games (at least).

is plasma considered CRT?

[mart242]

is plasma considered CRT?

no. crt = cathode ray tube.

[kevin01]

no. crt = cathode ray tube.

oh ok. So i think i understand now. My tv which supports 1080i and 720p, will play these games in 720p? I have a projector also, but i dont wanna play on it cuz its not HD. And the store i bought my tv from said not to play video games on the tv, so should i just use the projector instead, cuz id rather save $3000 in breaking my tv, then havnig a little less quality.

[go leafs]

is plasma considered CRT?

nope, but not all plasmas support 720p either

ex http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,121165-page,1/article.html

[BaconMunch]

As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that boast only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolutions will have 720p signals downsized to 480 instead of being upscaled to 1080i. We tested this development on older television sets with max-720 games Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downscaled all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.

So you're saying...depending on your TV, Wii graphics will be as sharp as PS3 graphics at 480p....

[rfdghost]

new info, sony is airshipping their second shipment next week.

[Flipcyde]

[COLOR="Navy"]...I wasn't laughing @ you or ur comments...I was laughing @ the thought of a BR or BD-DVD burner any time soon. They are a long time away.

Offtopic but to let everyone know, at the FS i work at we had Blu-Ray discs almost 4 months ago, around $20 a disc. And we actually have a computer Blu-Ray burner in stock now, $800 i think.

[Fatman]

new info, sony is airshipping their second shipment next week.

Where'd you get that from?

[aland911]

breaking news, heres a video on the ps3 line up in toronto ontario.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTks3eNA-As