What will happen if I don't install Sp2 before the 12th?

[Feneant]

I'm not really interested in installing Sp2 because I hate having it forced on us. It might help security they say, but I much prefer using software of my choice to protect my pc. Will my machine stop working? On the 12th of this month, Sp2 is going to be forcefully installed on our pc's and I'm curious as to what'll happen if I don't let it (if possible mind you). I gather knowing MS that you'll have a button saying 'Your pc won't work any more if you don't install' and then the install will force me to image my pc as it'll mess everything up.

The only reason I even use Windows is because Everquest 2 does not work on Linux, but once it does, I will migrate again.

It's not a piracy issue either as I do own a copy of WinXp for my laptop- It's principle that they say 'You don't have a choice'. :mad:

[jory29]

Jeesh, good question! I too have firmly held back from installing SP2 after reading too much information about the bugs in it, software programs not working, internet and networking connections going wonky, etc. I hate how even when I click on 'don't install SP2' and then 'Don't remind me ever again' checkbox is marked by me, and lo' and behold, up the auto windows update pops up, ensuring it is dutifully reminding me. I like the windows update automated notification of new up-dates, and I have d/l'ed a lot that are not in relation to SP2, so I keep that feature turned on. I hadn't heard anything about them forecefully installing anything like SP2 on the pc, but I know I have to watch very carefully, or else it pops up time and time again as stating I need that update. I too have a legit copy of windows, it came pre-installed on my HP pc. Argh.... noooooooo, I don't want to go to SP2!

[cheukiecfu]

I'm not really interested in installing Sp2 because I hate having it forced on us. It might help security they say, but I much prefer using software of my choice to protect my pc. Will my machine stop working? On the 12th of this month, Sp2 is going to be forcefully installed on our pc's and I'm curious as to what'll happen if I don't let it (if possible mind you). I gather knowing MS that you'll have a button saying 'Your pc won't work any more if you don't install' and then the install will force me to image my pc as it'll mess everything up.

The only reason I even use Windows is because Everquest 2 does not work on Linux, but once it does, I will migrate again.

It's not a piracy issue either as I do own a copy of WinXp for my laptop- It's principle that they say 'You don't have a choice'. :mad:
yea... u don't have a choice
they will just install on your computer on the 12th... whether you want it or not...

[jory29]

yea... u don't have a choice
they will just install on your computer on the 12th... whether you want it or not...

:eek: Freakin' Microsoft! :evil:

[Intense]

Starting next Tuesday, April 12, machines running Windows XP without Service Pack 2 installed will no longer be able to block delivery of the much-discussed update. Machines without it installed will have the potentially 200-plus MB SP2 downloaded to their computers, no questions asked.

Check out Microsoft's TechNet site at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.mspx for more details...

UPDATE: Time is running out! Please note that the mechanism to temporarily disable delivery of Windows XP SP2 is only available for a period of 240 days (8 months) from August 16, 2004. At the end of this period (after April 12, 2005), Windows XP SP2 will be delivered to all Windows XP and Windows XP Service Pack 1 systems

[dodo]

jeez.. imagine more than 270MB forced download on dial-up??
the actual maybe smaller.. I dunno.. I'm using win2k.
File Name:WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe
Download Size:272391 KB
Date Published:8/10/2004
Version: SP2

[cheukiecfu]

yea... so u better installl SP2 now...
if there is any problem... you can still uninstall it and find out why....

[cheukiecfu]

jeez.. imagine more than 270MB forced download on dial-up??
the actual maybe smaller.. I dunno.. I'm using win2k.you can order the sp2 cd online for free....
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

[skanji]

The question is, what to do with those people who have a 'borrowed' version of windows?

Perhaps get a new 'borrowed' version online with sp2 on it already?

anyone try yet?

[jory29]

So you guys figure I ought to just go ahead and do it, since it's inevitable? I can only imagine what my 8 year old son will think if his Beloved games don't work properly after this. Especially his Star Wars Lego game. :cheesygri

Maybe I will give it a try today; I'll check back to read more postings, in a little while here...

Thanks! :)

[spm24]

will it just download the 270 mb file or will it install it as well . i have a laptop that i use pretty much school only and i have wireless internet at my school . does this mean when i am in my lectures loged in to the school network iw ill have sp2 being downloaded .

[PennyArcade]

from what I'm reading from Intense's link, nothing will happen if you do not install SP2 before april 12.

IF you want to do a windows update AFTER April 12th, then you have no choice but to install SP2. If you do not do a windows update after April 12th, then NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. You won't be forced to install SP2.

So if you do not want to have sp2, turn off automatic updates and you will not get sp2.

The issue here is that any new security updates XP releases after april 12th, you cannot get (unless you install sp2). This is bad for both you and the community. Bad for you because you'll get hijacked at some point, and bad for the community because your computer will become a zombie to infect other computers.

I personally use sp2 and find no problems with the software that I run. It is also good at blocking stuff and warning me of possible security problems.

I don't really understand the huge problem of installing SP2 (corporate systems are different). It is just a large windows update pack.

[jory29]

I agree with the above, one shouldn't run windows xp sp1 without receiving the neccessary up-dates, and it does appear that come April 12th, there will be no more updates for sp1. :( So... I will have to think seriously about switching to sp2; hopefully by now, most of the bugs and kinks have been ironed out. I don't think it's fair either, if I continue to run my pc with sp1 without having the neccessary safety updates, as it does pose a risk to other pc's as well. Here's an interesting link to a thread on another forum about this issue:
http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,12883279

[Ojam]

From what I understand this only affects large corporations because the blocking tool for automatic updates has only been available to them, and not small business, or consumers. Either way however automatic updates have to be enabled for SP2 to be installed, so even going to the windows updates website will not mean you are installing SP2.

http://blog.informationweek.com/windows/archives/002597.html

[TTony]

Do not scare of sp2 it is not gonna kill you

[George W. Bush]

Use a firewall and prevent that stupid MS POS from installing on your machines. Use Win2K instead!

[willy]

Microsoft has urged businesses running Windows XP to upgrade their machines to take advantage of added security features, but only a quarter of XP corporate machines have been upgraded to Service Pack 2, according to a new study.

http://news.com.com/Businesses+slow+to+move+to+SP2/2100-1012-5650923.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e703

[skanji]

How bad is sp2 for torrents? what software are you sp2 users using for downloading torrent data?

[PennyArcade]

How bad is sp2 for torrents? what software are you sp2 users using for downloading torrent data?

It works fine with my computer. I think I'm using shadow-something software.

[computer01]

SP2 won't just miraculously install on your PC after Apr 12. The date of the 12th is with reference to the tool MS released to large corporations allowing them to block the auto-update install of SP2.

If you really don't want it, disable auto-updates. That's it.

As far as SP2 & torrents go, no problem at all. I regularly download at over 700KB/s. (kilobytes/sec)

[Spazmogen]

Torrents work fine after SP2. I installed mine (SP2) from CD, that I ordered from Microsloth.

Those of you using pirated versions of XP have a reason to be afraid.

But I don't feel sorry for you at all. Buy it like the rest of us.

[jasonl33]

Make the rich get richer, yeah right. Only reason why I own XP is bec laptop companies are A$$holes and force you to pay for it when you purchase a laptop. gRRR to them!

Secondly, you can turn OFF all the security features and what nots available on SP2. Just have to READ something. So, you then can run your games, your illegal downloads, and your whats nots.

[Jazzhound]

Although I have SP2 slipstreamed, there may be alternatives for individuals who prefer not to have it. nLite (http://nuhi.msfn.org/)is a nifty little program that lets you strip out most of Microsoft's components. I've used it to put XP on a diet; from a 450MB image to 280MB of lean, mean, fast-booting machine.

Some of the things I've stripped out are, MSN Messenger, IE (though retained some essential components to keep Windows happy), MS Paint, non applicable Networking, Multimedia, etc. drivers, and replaced it with my own, i.e nForce2 drivers, Soundstorm/Audigy, ATI, etc.

SP2 has NEVER reported a conflict for me. I would definitely urge those who have been scorned by proto-releases give it another whirl.

Jh

[jasonl33]

Thanks, been looking for a program to make life easier to strip things out. THanks again

Although I have SP2 slipstreamed, there may be alternatives for individuals who prefer not to have it. nLite (http://nuhi.msfn.org/)is a nifty little program that lets you strip out most of Microsoft's components. I've used it to put XP on a diet; from a 450MB image to 280MB of lean, mean, fast-booting machine.

Some of the things I've stripped out are, MSN Messenger, IE (though retained some essential components to keep Windows happy), MS Paint, non applicable Networking, Multimedia, etc. drivers, and replaced it with my own, i.e nForce2 drivers, Soundstorm/Audigy, ATI, etc.

SP2 has NEVER reported a conflict for me. I would definitely urge those who have been scorned by proto-releases give it another whirl.

Jh

[skanji]

Torrents work fine after SP2. I installed mine (SP2) from CD, that I ordered from Microsloth.

Those of you using pirated versions of XP have a reason to be afraid.

But I don't feel sorry for you at all. Buy it like the rest of us.

good one... :lol:

hacked copies of win xp with sp2 are readily available online for those who don't feel like being forced to pay for this stuff...

ps. those people are bad, bad people who really should buy the software 'like the rest of us' :lol:

[sf1]

this sucks man..
i have bad experience installing sp2
my installation failed in the middle and i had to format my whole drive that is why i kept my other computer sp1
ppl say i should remove alcohol (program) be4 i install sp2 is it true?

[Ojam]

omg people, read the article, this only affects corps with farms of PC's that have had the SP2 blocked, it does not affect the every day Joe.

[sf1]

still, sooner or later everyone have to update because of compatibilty

[PennyArcade]

omg people, read the article, this only affects corps with farms of PC's that have had the SP2 blocked, it does not affect the every day Joe.

That's not quite right Ojam. If you want to update your windows after April 12th but do not want to install SP2, you're screwed. You'll have to install SP2 before the other updates.

[RastaManMax]

Man i remember upgrading to SP2 right when it just came out and my internet stopped working properly, tons of sites would no longer load no matter what i did and there were all sorts of issues with my computer. It made my 3ghz feel like 1ghz and start up slowed like hell. What i've been running is a lean version of SP1 with all the updates other than SPghey. I hate having it forced on me, but i need to format anyways, my windows is already messed, just don't have the CD with me in London :(

LEMAR

[Headhunter]

From what I understand this only affects large corporations because the blocking tool for automatic updates has only been available to them, and not small business, or consumers. Either way however automatic updates have to be enabled for SP2 to be installed, so even going to the windows updates website will not mean you are installing SP2.
That's been my understanding as well; I don't think Microsoft will forcefully install SP2 on every Windows XP copy in existence.

Never turned Automatic Updates on, and Windows has spat on my attempts to get security updates for awhile, nothing to see here...