Official XBOX360 Thread - Game Reviews Are In - 1UP Likes 7's

[tonychau]

Support HD-DVD or not, I'm sure MS in this coming Gaming-Generation is ready to rob your money away.

there is an article on Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/business/global/2005/1003/036A_4.html) about MS's X-box division lost $4 billion in four years and isn't yet in the black.

I'm know probably MS don't care a damn. MS did what is has intended to do to enter the gaming market successfully. For sure, this gaming-generation MS won't be generous giving away hardware with its X360. SO don't expect MS upgrade your X360 DVD to X360 HD-DVD for free. MS is ready to be serious with its gaming division and turn into a profit for Bill Gates!

[Kurtz7834]

The HD DVD / Blu Ray fight rages on. I can't blame MS for not including the next gen drive in their system yet. This is similar to the VHS / Betamax fight of the 80s and as everyone can recall, the loser tech (betamax) died and the hardware became useless and obsolete.

Big guns like MS and Toshiba are supporting HD DVD, and Sony cannot push ahead with Blu Ray at all costs if it's going to be the loser 'betamax' technology. So this fight is probably holding up their console release.

The games do not need next gen DVD drives, and the next gen movie DVDs will not be available at cheap prices for quite some time. So I don't really understand those who are waiting for the 'Blu Ray enabled' (we'll see) PS3. By the time next gen DVD movies become the standard the players will have hugely dropped in price.

So I think MS is making the right move pushing out the 360 and Sony is making a mistake letting this DVD format fight hold back the release of the PS3.

And as for the 360, I heard MS is losing $75 per unit initially subsiding the cost of the hardware. This will obviously change in time as the component costs get cheaper, and they depend on sales of peripherals and games to stay in the black. So while they may not be losing as much as they did with Xbox, they are not making money on the console sales.

[Ziggy007]

Does anyone else feel that the XBox 360 is getting way too complicated in terms of choices now?

Game developers must be having a mini-fit over this now. Game developers wanted a source of higher capacity discs (either HDDVD or BD) so that they could fit all the data onto one disc. With the capabilities of these new high end consoles textures are going to be huge. Now devlopers have to deal with making a DVD and HD-DVD version of the game.

This of course already makes things slightly more confusing because they will have to work around the hard-drive / no hard-drive features of games as well.

Developers have no idea which system these people will have and they will have to make two to four different versions of each game in order to sell it.

Bad timing on MS part as well. Besides the pre-orders who would get an Xbox360 when you know that the HD-DVD version will be out a couple months later making yours outdated?

[actyper]

Big guns like MS and Toshiba are supporting HD DVD, and Sony cannot push ahead with Blu Ray at all costs if it's going to be the loser 'betamax' technology. So this fight is probably holding up their console release.

.

Right now its MS, Toshiba, Universal stud (HD-DVD) vs Sony, Apple, Dell, HP (Blu-Ray)

Pretty nice battle!

[Kurtz7834]

Does anyone else feel that the XBox 360 is getting way too complicated in terms of choices now?

Game developers must be having a mini-fit over this now. Game developers wanted a source of higher capacity discs (either HDDVD or BD) so that they could fit all the data onto one disc. With the capabilities of these new high end consoles textures are going to be huge. Now devlopers have to deal with making a DVD and HD-DVD version of the game.

This of course already makes things slightly more confusing because they will have to work around the hard-drive / no hard-drive features of games as well.

Developers have no idea which system these people will have and they will have to make two to four different versions of each game in order to sell it.

Bad timing on MS part as well. Besides the pre-orders who would get an Xbox360 when you know that the HD-DVD version will be out a couple months later making yours outdated?

I really don't see how they can make an 'Xbox 360' game that doesn't work on all XBox 360s. That would be a public relations nightmare.

So this was mentioned by chdude3 earlier and I think it's true - game developers are going to be stuck with the lowest common denominator and releasing all games in 'old' DVD format, even if it takes multiple discs. Isn't the max capacity of a dual layer DVD over 8 GB? I can't see many games being bigger than that for quite some time, that is a huge amount of space.

MS is going to have to stand behind the first gen XBox 360s or face howls of outrage. They are trying to build market share and don't have the clout to piss off the earlier adopters, who have the deepest pockets to spend on games. And as I've said, I don't think it's bad timing, they made a deliberate decision not to let this rather stupid HD DVD / Blu Ray fight (that has been going on for YEARS) hold up the release of the console, the way it's going to for Sony.

[tonychau]

And Intel just join the HD-DVD camp. Intel will be making the chip for the HD-DVD player and they have one of the big Chinese manufacturers to produce those HD-DVD player for them. Now we have to wait for the content.



Right now its MS, Toshiba, Universal stud (HD-DVD) vs Sony, Apple, Dell, HP (Blu-Ray)

Pretty nice battle!

[chdude3]

Besides, what do you mean they'll have non-HD systems incapable of playing them.I mean that if you have a 360 without an HD-DVD drive, you're not going to be able to play a game that's on an HD disc, unless MS release it on a hybrid disc - but then why bother and not just release it on a cheaper DVD disc?

It's a can of worms. I'm obviously curious to see what comes of it, though, since I've preordered a 360 (first time I've ever done that).

Why would you want an Xbox 360 game being played on anything else?The technology isn't here yet. I'm not saying it would be a bad idea, it's just physically impossible to do it for the November 22 launch date. As for why, if it's going to keep costs down, I'd be in favour of it.

[BoxsterS]

I really don't see how they can make an 'Xbox 360' game that doesn't work on all XBox 360s. That would be a public relations nightmare.

So this was mentioned by chdude3 earlier and I think it's true - game developers are going to be stuck with the lowest common denominator and releasing all games in 'old' DVD format, even if it takes multiple discs. Isn't the max capacity of a dual layer DVD over 8 GB? I can't see many games being bigger than that for quite some time, that is a huge amount of space.

MS is going to have to stand behind the first gen XBox 360s or face howls of outrage. They are trying to build market share and don't have the clout to piss off the earlier adopters, who have the deepest pockets to spend on games. And as I've said, I don't think it's bad timing, they made a deliberate decision not to let this rather stupid HD DVD / Blu Ray fight (that has been going on for YEARS) hold up the release of the console, the way it's going to for Sony.


Yes, as is always the case, developers must develop for the LCD. If the Xbox is indeed released with a DVD drive then all future games will likely be released on DVD. The same holds true for the hard drive. It's unfortunate that MS decided to decouple the HD from the 360 because it forces developers to not factor in a HD into their games which is unfortunate. HD-DVD and Blue Ray are interim formats, but there are just too many downsides with BlueRay. Regardless of the obvious Sony licensing issues, the format is also plagued with high media and hardware manufacturing costs as well BlueRay players being incompatible with DVD format. HD-DVD is the right choice for now. HD-DVD is less expensive to manufacture, both from a hardware and media perspective and it's also fully backward compatible with the DVD format. In the words of Toshiba and NEC - HD-DVD is a evolutionary step and not revolutionary.

[JayPatel]

http://teamninja.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3144194

Hahahaha!!! Look at which game occupies his top 5 hated list.

[jerryhussain]

On Revolution's Controller

There's a junior producer here at Tecmo, and he went and handled the thing. I was super busy, so I didn't have a chance to go in and mess around with it, but his report was that it was just amazing, and everything that I've read has lead me to believe that it is just a wonderful piece of hardware.

he he



On the power of the next-gen consoles

You know the measure of the power of a piece of hardware is not just CPU clock speeds; there are a number of factors to take into account. Obviously pure speed is one of them; another one is low-layer stuff like firmware, also middleware that's being supplied for that particular platform. So when you consider the hardware and software support all wrapped up in one, then yes, I would consider the 360 to be the most powerful system in that sense, in the next generation.

http://teamninja.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3144134

[JayPatel]

http://sportsmovies.ign.com/sports/video/article/655/655097/nba2k6next_093005_qtlowwide.mov

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031515778.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031519184-000.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031526637.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031523262.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031517934.jpg

[Fantaz]

http://teamninja.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3144194

Hahahaha!!! Look at which game occupies his top 5 hated list.

LOL! Itagaki has always been jealous over Tekken. He tries to make his game better but never comes close to Tekken quality. Give up!

Man, I love the cloth physics in that NBA 2K6 trailer! 2K Sports could give EA some stiff competition. We'll have to wait and see.

[ShadowVlican]

http://sportsmovies.ign.com/sports/video/article/655/655097/nba2k6next_093005_qtlowwide.mov

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031515778.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031519184-000.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031526637.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031523262.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031517934.jpg
oh man those shots look great :)

[JayPatel]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928263_20050930_screen003.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928263_20050930_screen002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928263_20050930_screen006.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/655/655097/nba-2k6-20050930031520372-000.jpg

Yes, that is the actual light bouncing off the yellow court on Shaq's pits. Awesome. These are also 100% gameplay shots. these are not cut-scenes in the game.

[Tshute]

These are also 100% gameplay shots. these are not cut-scenes in the game.
Umm.. okay.. those are in-game?? How am I supposed to play the game at THAT camera angle then? Obviously this is not really "in-game".

[JayPatel]

Umm.. okay.. those are in-game?? How am I supposed to play the game at THAT camera angle then? Obviously this is not really "in-game".

meaning its a paused camera of real-gameplay. obviously they are positioning the view/angle to get these shots.

[JayPatel]

Hmmm. come on Activision/Neversoft. You can do better than this on 360

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928296_20050930_screen001.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928296_20050930_screen002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928296_20050930_screen003.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/272/reviews/928296_20050930_screen004.jpg

[Fantaz]

Yeah, all they're doing is porting it and increasing the draw distance. Pretty sloppy, but you'd expect that from early releases.

[sfu_lifer]

LOL! Itagaki has always been jealous over Tekken. He tries to make his game better but never comes close to Tekken quality. Give up!

Man, I love the cloth physics in that NBA 2K6 trailer! 2K Sports could give EA some stiff competition. We'll have to wait and see.
Get real. DOA's graphics KILL Tekken's any day of the week :lol:
Gameplay, they both suck compared to the Virtua Fighter series.

I can't wait for EA's counter to this (they also have the cloth physics going). Hopefully they have something good.

[P__S__2]

eww wtf is that skateboardin one...it looks so digusting.....xb1...or xb 1.5 lol those graphics are sh**

[Tanith]

Well now we know that Xbox360 can deliver amazing graphics. Games like tony hawk are looking like ass because of the developer not the hardware.

[dvdvideo]

We knew before. The machine is a monster specs wise.

[radeonboy]

I'm gonna wait it out guys, I have Xbox 1 and am still loving it. I will wait until PS3 comes out, prices drop to make my judgement on which one I should get :)

Those NBA pics look pretty realistic but too plasticy but I like where they are trying to go, but those Tony Hawk shots are awful, it does really depend on the developer.

[JayPatel]

720P video of NBA2K6

http://xboxyde.com/leech_1717_en.html

[jb22]

Not sure if these videos have already been posted but here you go, originally found them on Rage3D:

http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp1.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp2.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp3.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp4.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp5.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp6.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp8.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp9.wmv
http://rmjv.net/vi/pgr3gp10.wmv

Not the best quality but gives you a rough idea of what to expect. I have to say I'm impressed by the ability for the 360 to handle HDR lighting on the fly like that.

[jerryhussain]

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05401/NBALIVE3.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05401/NBALIVE2.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05401/NBALIVE1.jpg

[jerryhussain]

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05401/madd1.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05401/madd2.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05401/madd3.jpg

[othy]

I'd like to see what the hair looks like on the white dudes (especially someone with long hair like steve nash) in the nba 2k5.. All those close cropped `fros cant be too challenging to the graphics! ;)

[JayPatel]

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1948/730_0003.jpg

[wanted]

last 2 nba live screens look miserable

[JayPatel]

Yuck

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1946/309_0001.jpg
http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1946/309_0002.jpg

[Yesdear]

last 2 nba live screens look miserable

Looks good to me :confused:

[wanted]

Looks good to me :confused:

play 06, i can barely see a difference between the players in 06 vs this one, only thing is the court. It looks slightly more realistic.

[Yesdear]

What game or games are you picking up on launch? Apparently, the launch lineup is being announced tomorrow.

I have my 360 pre-ordered and paid in full with extra for a game. I cannot decided what game to pick up though. I would by more than one but figure I would need an extra controller and perhaps the battery pack etc.

[JayPatel]

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655148/king-kong-hands-on-20050930051033330.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655148/king-kong-hands-on-20050930051031752.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655148/king-kong-hands-on-20050930051030237.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655148/king-kong-hands-on-20050930051028705.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655148/king-kong-hands-on-20050930051026502.jpg

[JayPatel]

http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/images/tombraiderlegend_360_screenshots_01/screen1.jpg
http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/images/tombraiderlegend_360_screenshots_01/screen2.jpg

[Fantaz]

Wow, that King Kong game looks amazingly good for a movie game.

Also hoping the new Tomb Raider will be much better.

[jerryhussain]

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05402/pgr1.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05402/pgr2.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05402/pgr3.jpg

[puff_daddy_58_99]

PGR3 is awesome. That HDL and the high poly count just looks amazing. And don't be scared; those are in game shots, taken with the camera tool that is available in the final game (watched them do this in one of the earlier videos).

As an aside , EA announced their final launch lineup; Madden 06, NBA 06, Tiger Woods 06, NFS: Most wanted and FIFA 06.

Expect more game announcements and a final launch title list in the next day or two.

[sfu_lifer]

Wow, that King Kong game looks amazingly good for a movie game.

Also hoping the new Tomb Raider will be much better.
And to think for the Kong game, I read in an interview where they said they don't really have the resources to take full and proper advantage of the 360. And yet, they have better models and not to mention textures, lighting and environmental effects than the current gen's. Unlike that POS Tony Hawk Game.
And PGR3 is blowing everone else away right now. Now THAT's how you do a realistic looking crowd.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

from a press release:

Exclusive Xbox 360 titles announced at X05 include
"Crackdown" (MGS-Real Time Worlds),
"Too Human" (MGS-Silicon Knights), **a company based in St. Catharines!!** - http://www.siliconknights.com
"Mass Effect" (MGS-BioWare Corp.), and
"FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup" (Electronic Arts).

New editions to blockbuster franchises announced for the first time
include
"
Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend" (Eidos Interactive Ltd.),
"Splinter Cell 4" (Ubisoft Entertainment),
"Castle Wolfenstein" (id Software) and
"Superman" (Electronic Arts)

[puff_daddy_58_99]

http://xbox.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=5917
X05: BioWare's Mass Effect Announced
October 04, 2005
by: Tim Thomas

BioWare's first in a trilogy of games has been announced for the Xbox 360.

BioWare's Mass Effect, published by Microsoft Game Studios is the first in a trilogy of games which follow an overarching story, where conflict between organic beings and artificial intelligence comes to life on the Xbox 360 in startling next generation clarity.

Set 200 years in the future in an epic universe of unadulterated depth, Mass Effect places gamers in a vast galactic community in danger of being conquered by a legendary now-rogue agent.

From world-renowned developers BioWare comes a spectacular new vision; where players lead a squad of freedom fighters as they struggle against threatening armies to restore peace to the land.



Personally, I wish they would finish up the KOTOR games with a third one, before they start this new trilogy.

[Marlek]

According to this article:

http://www.gamespaper.com/news/X05MicrosoftrevealUKXbox.shtml?1128450419,31734,

The following 18 titles will be ready for the U.K. launch on Dec. 2nd

- Kameo: Elements of Power
- Perfect Dark Zero
- Project Gotham Racing 3
- Crackdown
- Gears of War
- Too Human
- Mass Effect --> newly announced Bioware series
- FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup
- Saint's Row
- Full Auto
- Condemned: Criminal Origins
- Superman Returns: The Videogame
- Call of Duty 2
- Castle Wolfenstein
- The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 4
- Quake 4
- MotoGP Ultimate Racing Technology 2006

I'm a bit shocked. I wasn't expecting several of these titles to hit shelves until well into 2006.

Edit: According to VE3D.com, these are "Microsoft's list of AAA titles available within 12 months of launch"

[Fantaz]

Resident Evil 5 trailer and more:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/655/655291p1.html

[jerryhussain]

Splinter Cell 4 Trailer (http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1733_en.html)

:twisted:

[jerryhussain]

"Too Human" (MGS-Silicon Knights), **a company based in St. Catharines!!** - http://www.siliconknights.com

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655663/too-human-part-1-20051004104455802.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655663/too-human-part-1-20051004104457551.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655663/too-human-part-1-20051004104501504.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655663/too-human-part-1-20051004104500051.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655663/too-human-part-1-20051004104502911.jpg

[jerryhussain]

Crackdown, next big game by the David Jones, the guy who brought you the GTA series, showcases with these six new images. Nice style !

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05403/1.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05403/9.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20051005/riota04.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20051005/riota06.jpg

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2081_en.html

So Saint's Row, Crackdown, All Points Bulletin & possibly GTA Next(?) Microsoft seems to have a solid line-up in these genre. :!:

[jerryhussain]

Alone in the Dark 5

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05403/AITD1.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05403/AITD2.jpg

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05403/AITD3.jpg

[jerryhussain]

Next Wolfenstein to use 360 as main developement platform (http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2084_en.html)

[jerryhussain]

http://xs49.xs.to/pics/05403/22.jpg

[Fantaz]

It seems all the games now look the same because everyone's using the Unreal 3 engine. But still pretty much most of these games I'm looking forward to now!

[radeonboy]

cool im seeing some nice eye candy :D

[puff_daddy_58_99]

the crackdown screenies dont seem all that impressive, but the direction I see from press releases/interviews is a persistent online co-op playing game, not just eye candy. That means optimized textures, not like gears of war.

I like the idea of a massive online gta like open-ended game, and 360 is a great platform to try it out!

[sfu_lifer]

I'm disappointed. I was expecting something super like MGS4 to blow me away.
BTW, Bioware seriously needs better artists and renderers. Their announced 360 game looks like poo.

[JayPatel]

NBA LIVE 06

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656212/nba-live-06-20051005025904968-000.jpg http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656212/nba-live-06-20051005025915921-000.jpg http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656212/nba-live-06-20051005025926171-000.jpg

[jerryhussain]

Konami announces Winning Eleven to be Live! (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/656/656194p1.html)

11 vs 11 players online, yay !

[JayPatel]

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656223/madden-nfl-06-20051005033752172-000.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656223/madden-nfl-06-20051005034115045-000.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656223/madden-nfl-06-20051005034130842-000.jpg
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/656/656223/madden-nfl-06-20051005033805562-000.jpg
http://x7.putfile.com/10/27723502243.jpg

[puff_daddy_58_99]

I ams till woefully unimpressed by madden 06, and just about all the ea games. I mean look at the picture with the coach in it; there are like 15 players just standing there, all the same direction, look, stance, etc. Nobody does that in real life!

It's also nice that they have face scans for people, but they never show emotion (or dont show it correctly), unless they have pre-created a certain movement for a person. look at the arizona QB's face; nobody looks like that when throwing a footaball.

Finally, the motions of the players are still very unnatural. Look at the video that they came out with, now that looked real. Play a game of madden, and you see that movements are not fluid even after all these years.

[Ziggy007]

The live playon Winning Eleven sounds like fun you could actually ahve online teams much like clans for FPS shooters. The downside is I can see a lot of lag potentially....

[actyper]

The live playon Winning Eleven sounds like fun you could actually ahve online teams much like clans for FPS shooters. The downside is I can see a lot of lag potentially....

I don't see how much fun it could be. Everybody's gonna hog the ball, nobody's going to play defence. Who's gonna want to play goalie?

[Ziggy007]

As I said it would be a lot better when there was a team working together.

You would be suprised how many people soemtimes enjoy the not so glorious tasks when playing games. Sometimes playing Battlefield 2 I enjoy just defending or sniping. When the game is all said and done I don't get as much credit as the guy who got the gold, but it is all part of those small things that help (like me popping heads off guys while he is capping flags).

I would have an interest in playing a defender against a live opposing team...

[ABOVEtheRIM]

For those of you who think the graphics in Perfect dark zero suck, check this video out. Its from the garage level.

http://194.158.114.66/dl.php/7eb1acd40852054f7ec1a48bc3da981d/videos/x05_pd0_gp.avi

[sfu_lifer]

For those of you who think the graphics in Perfect dark zero suck, check this video out. Its from the garage level.

http://194.158.114.66/dl.php/7eb1acd40852054f7ec1a48bc3da981d/videos/x05_pd0_gp.avi
Seen it. I still think it sucks
Can you say Xbox 1.5 (hell, this looks like Shenmue 2 level)
http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1983/771_0008.jpg
:cheesygri

[Fantaz]

I think it will be decent. It can't be too bad with the huge firstparty production budget. I'm betting it's going to feel very rushed like most first-gen games but still quite enjoyable. The graphics of Gears of Wars will show us how good games will look in the future.

[ah bao]

i don't think the game engineers or designers have fully ultized the hardware for xbox360 yet it's till too early to say. I just waiting for Ninja Gaiden on the 360. :cheesygri

[radeonboy]

i don't think the game engineers or designers have fully ultized the hardware for xbox360 yet it's till too early to say. I just waiting for Ninja Gaiden on the 360. :cheesygri

i agree, look at the current xbox when it came out compared to this date, the games at first looked okay, but now are much better

edit: And it solely depends on the developer

[jerryhussain]

http://home.comcast.net/~saqs/Fifa.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~saqs/fifa2.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Man, Ridge Racer looks sooo disappointing. I was hoping the renders they showed at the Tokyo Show would be representative of gameplay but obviously that is not the case.

[sfu_lifer]

i agree, look at the current xbox when it came out compared to this date, the games at first looked okay, but now are much better

edit: And it solely depends on the developer
Yeah but for a 1st Party developer like Rare (known for graphics), this is a MAJOR disappointment. Hell, MS has given them the $$$$$, you'd think they'd have an extremely capable engine at this point. To come out with Shenmue 2 low-poly cutscenes at this point using in-game assets, that is pretty bad.
I'm sure they'll get better but Nintendo must be laughing right about now.

[Ziggy007]

The big ticket launch titles do not get to claim weakness because they are first generation to a new system. A game like PDZ needs to set the bar for 360 graphics...

How embarassing will it be when other third party developers out produce MS' first party company's flagship title?

[radeonboy]

Yeah but for a 1st Party developer like Rare (known for graphics), this is a MAJOR disappointment. Hell, MS has given them the $$$$$, you'd think they'd have an extremely capable engine at this point. To come out with Shenmue 2 low-poly cutscenes at this point using in-game assets, that is pretty bad.
I'm sure they'll get better but Nintendo must be laughing right about now.


I agree, and isnt PDZ an "exclusive"? :D

[ABOVEtheRIM]

Yeah but for a 1st Party developer like Rare (known for graphics), this is a MAJOR disappointment. Hell, MS has given them the $$$$$, you'd think they'd have an extremely capable engine at this point. To come out with Shenmue 2 low-poly cutscenes at this point using in-game assets, that is pretty bad.
I'm sure they'll get better but Nintendo must be laughing right about now.

I dont really care about the graphics of pdz, I just hope they dont ruin the gameplay

[radeonboy]

I dont really care about the graphics of pdz, I just hope they dont ruin the gameplay

Another solid point. I've always talked about graphics and eyecandy, but a game can look good but what about the playability? Good point, I think a blend of the two is surely better than just one alone.

Off-topic: With exception to some games like Ninja Gaiden, etc, have you ever noticed how games these days are easier than lets say 10 years ago when Super Nintendo games were hard as heck? Can you say SFII? ;)

[radeonboy]

http://home.comcast.net/~saqs/Fifa.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~saqs/fifa2.jpg

Darn that looks real, especially on that beauty of a screen. Gosh that would cost so much money to have :mad:

[soulflare]

Have any places other than Futureshop advertised Cdn. game prices yet for the 360? Prices were supposed to jump considerably over Xbox prices, about $20 at least, yet aside from NHL 2K6 and the CE of PDZ, Futureshop's looking for the same $59.99 we paid for Xbox/PS2 gen games.

[Fantaz]

Developers simple aren't ready for next-gen and it shows. Microsoft is truly jumping the gun by releasing this so early. At least Sony is smart enough to wait another year or two until things even out and start off with a bang.

[jerryhussain]

Developers simple aren't ready for next-gen and it shows. Microsoft is truly jumping the gun by releasing this so early. At least Sony is smart enough to wait another year or two until things even out and start off with a bang.
Watching too much G4 lately ? :lol:

[radeonboy]

Watching too much G4 lately ? :lol:

rolfmao

[Fantaz]

Well, I don't like commenting about consoles too much but when I do it's short and straight to the point.

As for G4, I've pretty much watched all of what that channel has of value to me. They're sinking lower and lower and just churning out crap lately. It used to be great before the merger but went downhill from there. Pretty sad, but as all things die new better ones take its place. ;)

[Ziggy007]

I just watched the hi-res trailer for PDZ and I must say, it looked BAD. It is pretty much N64 graphics with nice HDR lighting and fancy explosions...

Definitely a major letdown for a flagship product.

[jb22]

Definitely a major letdown for a flagship product.

Isn't that what to expect from Rare these days?

[Fantaz]

Is Rare really worth half a billion dollers Microsoft bought them for? For that kind of money I'm expecting much more.

[Sgt_Strider]

Is Rare really worth half a billion dollers Microsoft bought them for? For that kind of money I'm expecting much more.

IIRC, Microsoft bought them for $375 million.

[sfu_lifer]

IIRC, Microsoft bought them for $375 million.
That's US bucks .. it's practically $500 million Cdn after taxes ;)

Yeah, Rare has had a disappointing record so far with the Xbox/360. Many industry observers were surprised MS got fleeced by Nintendo for that much cash. Nintendo knew it was time to let go of Rare. They take too long to make games.

[RSD]

That's US bucks .. it's practically $500 million Cdn after taxes ;)

Yeah, Rare has had a disappointing record so far with the Xbox/360. Many industry observers were surprised MS got fleeced by Nintendo for that much cash. Nintendo knew it was time to let go of Rare. They take too long to make games.

Rare made pure gold, nintendo killed the donkey kong series after rare. i mean they were so lost they made a drum game. wtf i dont need a $50 game to bang with my hands on something

[sfu_lifer]

Rare made pure gold, nintendo killed the donkey kong series after rare. i mean they were so lost they made a drum game. wtf i dont need a $50 game to bang with my hands on something
You should play it. It's fun as hell (Donkey Konga was made by Namco).

[Sgt_Strider]

You should play it. It's fun as hell (Donkey Konga was made by Namco).

I think that game is too childish for me. I probably would have enjoyed it if I was 12, but that's no longer the case.

[sfu_lifer]

I think that game is too childish for me. I probably would have enjoyed it if I was 12, but that's no longer the case.
Think versus feel. Have you tried eye toy or DDR? Those look really ******** as well but it's fun as hell when you actually try it and don't mind looking like a moron. It's like saying you can't enjoy 'G' rated movies just because they aim for all ages.

[RSD]

You should play it. It's fun as hell (Donkey Konga was made by Namco).
i saw some kid play it at toys r us and decided not to look like a ******.
the game is just bangin on the drums, i'd like my DK in rpg form

[Sgt_Strider]

Think versus feel. Have you tried eye toy or DDR? Those look really ******** as well but it's fun as hell when you actually try it and don't mind looking like a moron. It's like saying you can't enjoy 'G' rated movies just because they aim for all ages.

Actullay I consider DDR to be more for the teenage crowd. I have played it and I don't feel stupid/******** doing that. Donkey Konga just seem different. That's my opinion of course and you're free to play if you like.

[RSD]

maybe a repost but i just notice gamestop has a new bundle that tops the omega :lol:
http://www.gamestop.com/gs/360/360_dell.asp

[sfu_lifer]

i saw some kid play it at toys r us and decided not to look like a ******.
the game is just bangin on the drums, i'd like my DK in rpg form
Was Donkey Kong ever an RPG? I always thought it was platforming the whole way. I'm curious, have you folks ever tried the Namco game, Taiko no Tatsujin?
It's the same folks that made Donkey Konga and the mechanics are pretty much the same thing.

[JayPatel]

More details on Xenos, the GPU in the 360

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9487/ATI-Releases-Xbox-360-GPU-Technology-Papers/

[jerryhussain]

NBA Live 06 by EA:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8036&type=wmv

Graphically better than 2K6 but gameplay wise dunno.

[Gibber]

I just watched the hi-res trailer for PDZ and I must say, it looked BAD. It is pretty much N64 graphics with nice HDR lighting and fancy explosions...

Definitely a major letdown for a flagship product.

I agree that the textures look a little off in the videos, but everyone I've read who has actually played it has said it is the killer-ap for the 360. Rare has always been able to make a game fun, I'll trust them for a little while longer. It's definitely on my pre-order list - for the co-op mode if nothing else!

[jerryhussain]

This deal is a steal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WOW-Microsoft-Xbox-360-Kiosk-with-23-Inch-LCD-HDTV_W0QQitemZ8225303897QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

[c h u d]

I agree that the textures look a little off in the videos, but everyone I've read who has actually played it has said it is the killer-ap for the 360. Rare has always been able to make a game fun, I'll trust them for a little while longer. It's definitely on my pre-order list - for the co-op mode if nothing else!

I was reading joystiq today and they had a hands on with a number of games, including PDZ. I believe the statement was something along the lines of, 'there's no way PDZ is going to carry the 360 at launch.' So it's not looking good for that game.

[jerryhussain]

hmm..
http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/1470.JPG

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/1506.JPG

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/1508.JPG

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/1509.JPG

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/1510.JPG

[jerryhussain]

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0001.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0002.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0003.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0004.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0005.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0006.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0007.jpg

http://xs50.xs.to/pics/05415/730_0008.jpg

[lithiumli]

thanks for the pics

[temporalillusion]

So is there anywhere left to pre-order one?

[Fantaz]

All sold out for now. >:(

[jerryhussain]

Wolfenstein 360 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8011&type=wmv)

[Ziggy007]

I think as we see more and more game footage comnig from the 360 it appears as though the system has more and more question marks. For every game that looks great there is another game that is equally unimpressive.

NBA Live didn't look that good, the player models seem awkward, and their jerseys float a few inches off thier bodies...

[mark_in_2k]

I think as we see more and more game footage comnig from the 360 it appears as though the system has more and more question marks. For every game that looks great there is another game that is equally unimpressive.

NBA Live didn't look that good, the player models seem awkward, and their jerseys float a few inches off thier bodies...
People seem to forget that these games are 1st gen games for a new console. Developers still have not tapped into the raw power of the system.

The same thing happened with the PS2. We all had amazing hopes after seeing the tech demo of the Chinese mans face, animating in real, but we never saw (and never will) those kind of graphics on the PS2. And a lot of the launch titles didn't really live up to the hype of the console.

The X360 will really come alive this time next year, when the devs have had time to get used to the hardware.

[Fantaz]

Wolfenstein 360 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8011&type=wmv)

They say it's going to be so amazing, but I want to see gameplay footage! Trailers c'mon!

[jerryhussain]

I think as we see more and more game footage comnig from the 360 it appears as though the system has more and more question marks. For every game that looks great there is another game that is equally unimpressive.

NBA Live didn't look that good, the player models seem awkward, and their jerseys float a few inches off thier bodies...
err.

X05 was a huge success for the 360. Everyone who was at X05 was impressed.

They say it's going to be so amazing, but I want to see gameplay footage! Trailers c'mon!
Still too early for gameplay footage. I think there were glimpses of character models etc. in that video.

[sfu_lifer]

Man Visual Concepts spoiled us with their graphics prowess with Xbox 1.
EA's stuff are hardly any improvement over VC's previous efforts.

But the sad truth so far is that 360 and PS3 are just "prettied-up" versions of Xbox and PS2. The revolution in gameplay seems to be coming from Nintendo.
But hey, I'm a graphics ***** and I WILL have all 3 consoles by 2007 :D

[Marlek]

A guy at EB printed out his release date list for me:

11/22/05 Amped 3
03/02/06 Burnout Revenge
11/02/05 Call of Duty 2
11/17/05 Condemned
11/20/05 Dead or Alive 4
12/05/05 Elder Scrolls Collector's Edition
12/05/05 Elder Scrolls
11/17/05 FIFA 2006
11/02/05 Final Fantasy XI
11/08/05 Kameo
11/05/05 Perfect Dark Zero
11/02/05 Project Gotham Racing
02/23/06 Full Auto
02/02/06 Gears of War
02/17/06 Ghost Recon 3
11/02/05 Gun
07/01/06 Halo 3
11/08/05 Kameo
11/16/05 Madden 2006
11/22/05 NBA 2K6
01/02/06 Outfit
11/18/05 King Kong
02/02/06 Prey
11/08/05 Project 3
11/16/05 Quake 4
11/23/05 Ridge Racer 6
01/02/06 Saints Row
03/02/06 Splinter Cell 4
11/02/06 Too Human
11/02/05 Top Spin 2

Pricing ranged from $64.99 to $74.99 With the vast majority of titles @ $69.99.

It seems strange to me some titles are slated to be available Nov 2. I knew that several titles would be available 1 week early, but that seems VERY early.

[Yesdear]

A guy at EB printed out his release date list for me:

11/22/05 Amped 3
03/02/06 Burnout Revenge
11/02/05 Call of Duty 2
11/17/05 Condemned
11/20/05 Dead or Alive 4
12/05/05 Elder Scrolls Collector's Edition
12/05/05 Elder Scrolls
11/17/05 FIFA 2006
11/02/05 Final Fantasy XI
11/08/05 Kameo
11/05/05 Perfect Dark Zero
11/02/05 Project Gotham Racing
02/23/06 Full Auto
02/02/06 Gears of War
02/17/06 Ghost Recon 3
11/02/05 Gun
07/01/06 Halo 3
11/08/05 Kameo
11/16/05 Madden 2006
11/22/05 NBA 2K6
01/02/06 Outfit
11/18/05 King Kong
02/02/06 Prey
11/08/05 Project 3
11/16/05 Quake 4
11/23/05 Ridge Racer 6
01/02/06 Saints Row
03/02/06 Splinter Cell 4
11/02/06 Too Human
11/02/05 Top Spin 2

Pricing ranged from $64.99 to $74.99 With the vast majority of titles @ $69.99.

It seems strange to me some titles are slated to be available Nov 2. I knew that several titles would be available 1 week early, but that seems VERY early.


Thanks for that. I still can't decide what game to buy at launch. I was going to get perfect dark but I am now leaning towards Kameo.

[jerryhussain]

Kameo would be my pick too if I was getting a 360. Every media source's pick at X05 was Kameo.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

yeah.....why would there be games ready on november second??? I doubt they will launch early or anything, and there is no reason to get the games there almost 3 weeks early.

[jb22]

yeah.....why would there be games ready on november second??? I doubt they will launch early or anything, and there is no reason to get the games there almost 3 weeks early.

Well some PSP games were out a couple of weeks before it launched. I guess it's a means of getting gamers excited. Maybe the idea is to sell gaemrs a $70 game as a means of having them purchase a $600 console. I also think retailler don't mind putting out titles prior to a system launch as it's a cheap and effective means of marketing, and shows consumers that they're ready for the system launch.

[sfu_lifer]

Kameo would be my pick too if I was getting a 360. Every media source's pick at X05 was Kameo.
The only ones I'm buying are Kameo and PGR3 (whenever it decides to arrive).
Everything else I'll rent or borrow. I might buy NBA 2k6 if the reviews are good and they've cleaned up the 2k stiff animations.

[bleeet]

So is there anywhere left to pre-order one?
there was over the weekend dunno if there still is now

but there is still the possibility of going to walmart or zellers to get it on launch day

[mark_in_2k]

If some of the games are going to be launched on Nov 2nd, will that be the situation for accessories?

Having won an X360 in the Pepsi contest :D I should be getting the console the weekend before the official Nov 22nd date.

I'm therefore looking to purchase an extra X360 wireless controller (I've got a nice store credit waiting at Blockbuster!) before the console is launched so that I can have some multiplayer fun on the weekend.

I'm going to start asking around to see if they will be getting the controllers in before the console goes on sale...

[sleepyguy]

07/01/06 Halo 3

Hopefully by this time the console will drop sub $200... highly unlikely i'm guessing :(

[mark_in_2k]

If some of the games are going to be launched on Nov 2nd, will that be the situation for accessories?
Just answered my own question, and it looks like you will be able to buy extra controllers, headset, etc a full week before the Nov 22nd release date. That means I could have a couple of extra controllers ready for when I get my console :)

[Ziggy007]

07/01/06 Halo 3

Hopefully by this time the console will drop sub $200... highly unlikely i'm guessing :(

I don't think this console will go near $200 until Christmas next year, and that will only be for the basic version.

Anyway the release date for halo 3 seems conservative, they said they wanted to run it against the PS3 launch of Spring 2006.

[sfu_lifer]

I don't think this console will go near $200 until Christmas next year, and that will only be for the basic version.

Anyway the release date for halo 3 seems conservative, they said they wanted to run it against the PS3 launch of Spring 2006.
The PS3's launch is conservative. I'm hearing devs are having problems and there won't be much US software available for them to hit Spring 2006. Likely Spring '06 will be Japan and Fall '06 will be the NA launch. So Halo has lots of time to hit that. Bungie has maintained they will only launch when they are happy with the state of the software and not because of some mandate from Microsoft.

[tonychau]

Very un-business like will MS wants to release Halo 3 against PS3 launch. Making the customers choose between the product, the end result both parties would have a lost in sales with its product.

Sales number would not reach full potential. MS has high pride in topping Halo 3 number from Halo 2 released in first week.

Currently on MS launch date on Nov 22, there is no major release on that week from Sony or Nintendo. No major Hardware price-cut. A few third parties releases prior the weeks of launch from SquareEnix (DragonQuest)

There is PS3 demonstration hardware and software (hand-on maybe) on the last week of october to persaude the undecide users. Most people has decided and have pre-order their X360.

If nobody steping on anybody on the launch day, like major announcement on MS launch, then either N and S are totally ignoring MS presents. MS has back down (changed from original date) from the Halo 3 release date.

Let's see how the game companies play out from each party.
N and S probably play their "ignore" or "silent" cards toward MS launch.
(Their Insider Software developers might already dish out alot of MS tactics to them - development cost, hardware limited)



I don't think this console will go near $200 until Christmas next year, and that will only be for the basic version.

Anyway the release date for halo 3 seems conservative, they said they wanted to run it against the PS3 launch of Spring 2006.

[jb22]

Very un-business like will MS wants to release Halo 3 against PS3 launch. Making the customers choose between the product, the end result both parties would have a lost in sales with its product.

Sales number would not reach full potential. MS has high pride in topping Halo 3 number from Halo 2 released in first week.

Currently on MS launch date on Nov 22, there is no major release on that week from Sony or Nintendo. No major Hardware price-cut. A few third parties releases prior the weeks of launch from SquareEnix (DragonQuest)

There is PS3 demonstration hardware and software (hand-on maybe) on the last week of october to persaude the undecide users. Most people has decided and have pre-order their X360.

If nobody steping on anybody on the launch day, like major announcement on MS launch, then either N and S are totally ignoring MS presents. MS has back down (changed from original date) from the Halo 3 release date.

Let's see how the game companies play out from each party.
N and S probably play their "ignore" or "silent" cards toward MS launch.
(Their Insider Software developers might already dish out alot of MS tactics to them - development cost, hardware limited)

Halo 3 will not be launched against the PS3's launch. That was a comment made by Gates that wasn't really fouded in any fact, and think may have been more for the press then anything else. Right now there's no real news on Halo 3. I think it's clear that it's in development but I see it being a major release as a second generation title, so that Bungie can take real advantage of the system. I see Halo 3 coming out November 2006 if not later.

[jerryhussain]

Very un-business like will MS wants to release Halo 3 against PS3 launch. Making the customers choose between the product, the end result both parties would have a lost in sales with its product.

Sales number would not reach full potential. MS has high pride in topping Halo 3 number from Halo 2 released in first week.
How is it "un-business" like? Releasing Halo3 on PS3's launch makes perfect sense. Its a game, not in direct contention to PS3. If anything it will have effect on sales of 360 or PS3; in a positive or negative way.

I agree that "We will release Halo3 on PS3 launch" is PR speak. Just like "we might add HD-DVD or Blu-Ray in future revisions". ;)

[cheukiecfu]

i have 1 question for all here...
i can any usb wifi adapter with xbox360, right?
does it work with the non-microsoft default ones?

[mark_in_2k]

As reported on Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000753064065/#comments) , some Walmarts in the US already have the X360 demo kiosks in store.

Anyone have any idea if Walmarts this side of the border will be getting some demo units in? Gonna have to check my local stores (Kitchener, Cambridge).

[sfu_lifer]

None so far in my location. Will check again next week.
BTW, King Kong seems to be the most popular and somehow looks the best :)

I wanna know what I'm getting in 4 weeks from Pepsi ;)

[Fantaz]

Anyone see Xbox 360 kiosks set up in your local store?

[jerryhussain]

Anyone find a 360 kiosk, let us know !! :)


http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8030/30600000000500676dc.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9218/30600000000500681lh.jpg

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/4856/dsc000159vi.jpg

[StrayB]

If anyone is still looking, BB.ca has 72 units of the premium bundle for pre-order ( as of 5:07 am EST ).

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10066139&catid=23383

[mark_in_2k]

Here's an interesting site (http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/xbox360kiosks) using Google maps.

People are updating the site with the locations of X360 kiosks in stores. All but 1 so far are in the US. Apparently there is one kiosk in Ontario, in Parry Sound. Can anyone on RFD confirm this?

[impronto]

some more pics of kiosk and back of xbox etc.

Pics of Kiosk Demo (http://www.xeqtioner.net/)

[chdude3]

Parry Sound? WTF!? I drove through there Saturday and Sunday going to/from a wedding in Sault Ste Marie. It's got what, 6000 people? I didn't even see a WalMart or anything there. There was barely anywhere to grab lunch or get gas!

[bleeet]

If anyone is still looking, BB.ca has 72 units of the premium bundle for pre-order ( as of 5:07 am EST ).

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10066139&catid=23383
yes futureshop had theirs last weekend

[Headhunter]

Probably been asked, but does X-Box Live carry over from the current console to the 360? There's no way I can get my usual gaming nick on the old Live, but if it restarts...

Parry Sound? WTF!? I drove through there Saturday and Sunday going to/from a wedding in Sault Ste Marie. It's got what, 6000 people? I didn't even see a WalMart or anything there. There was barely anywhere to grab lunch or get gas!
That's hilarious. :razz:

[sfu_lifer]

Probably been asked, but does X-Box Live carry over from the current console to the 360? There's no way I can get my usual gaming nick on the old Live, but if it restarts...


That's hilarious. :razz:
Yes you can use the same account for both.

[Geologic]

--

Does anyone know if the Monster branded COMPONENT video cables for the original Xbox will work with the Xbox360??..

edit> Well the Best Buy website has these HD Component video cables up and the connector that goes into the console looks smaller.. I think.. :confused:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10067316&catid=23563&PCName=#



thanks.

[Fantaz]

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3853/media14fg.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4707/media22pr.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8260/media38yg.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1425/media47qr.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8348/media51fk.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/616/media60ta.jpg

[RSD]

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3853/media14fg.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4707/media22pr.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8260/media38yg.jpg
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http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8348/media51fk.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/616/media60ta.jpg

holy **** that looks ****in amazing. what game is that?

[dougi3000]

can't you tell?
it is halo 3

:D

A ninja infiltrated one of the space stations. and master chief is beat the crap out of him.
:razz:

[poppa]

holy **** that looks ****in amazing. what game is that?

The next DOA game.

[ABOVEtheRIM]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/296/928412_20051024_screen001.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/296/928412_20051024_screen002.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/296/928412_20051024_screen003.jpg

[reidjr]

What would mu chances be of getting a core system on the 22 if i don't pre-order.Say if a buy online.

[Yesdear]

Futureshop has a new bundle that is pretty pricey but seems to stay in stock longer for those who really want a 360. 8:00pm EST and there are 21 in stock.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=BDL10001112&catid=

[Furkmyster]

Futureshop has a new bundle that is pretty pricey but seems to stay in stock longer for those who really want a 360. 8:00pm EST and there are 21 in stock.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=BDL10001112&catid=

That is the one I pre-ordered a couple days ago. It was the only time I ever saw one of the bundles in stock. Out here in the sticks, it is probably the only shot I have of getting one.

[Yesdear]

That is the one I pre-ordered a couple days ago. It was the only time I ever saw one of the bundles in stock. Out here in the sticks, it is probably the only shot I have of getting one.

I saw stock added twice yesterday.

[Yesdear]

It would be nice if M$ had a list of backwards compatable games. If anyone here who has won a 360 actually gets it before the street date try out some original xbox games and give us some feedback.

[sfu_lifer]

It would be nice if M$ had a list of backwards compatable games. If anyone here who has won a 360 actually gets it before the street date try out some original xbox games and give us some feedback.
I won one and I still have a whole bunch of Xbox 1 games I haven't traded.
The sad thing is I don't have HDTV yet :( so I dunno how much better the emulator will make them look. First thing to go in is Halo 2 :)

[soulflare]

It would be nice if M$ had a list of backwards compatable games. If anyone here who has won a 360 actually gets it before the street date try out some original xbox games and give us some feedback.

They plan on publishing a list prior to the console's launch and will be adding more titles over time based on demand. There's also a rumor that they are going to tweak a lot of these older games to run at 720p (the majority of Xbox titles only supported 480p), which would be quite sweet.

[RW99]

Am I the only one rolls my eyes when the game developers say "screenshot" but it's just a pre-rendered frame? Like those basketball ones. They look nice, but it's not going to look like that when you play it :evil:

[jb22]

Am I the only one rolls my eyes when the game developers say "screenshot" but it's just a pre-rendered frame? Like those basketball ones. They look nice, but it's not going to look like that when you play it :evil:

I wouldn't call thise pre-rednered as those look to be rendered using the game engine, so in a sense the game sould look like that, although during game play you probably won't be seeing such dynamic camera angles unless it's a replay.

[stunaz]

graphics look impressive BUT.... its still the same type of "pc games" so why bother

[Mr.Manic]

Am I the only one rolls my eyes when the game developers say "screenshot" but it's just a pre-rendered frame? Like those basketball ones. They look nice, but it's not going to look like that when you play it :evil:


EA is the worst for that I think. Personally, I just lose interest when all I see are those manufactured images. If I am actually going to the trouble of looking up images of a game, I want to see what it actually looks like. Not some pretty image that has no relavence to the actual gameplay.

[RW99]

EA is the worst for that I think. Personally, I just lose interest when all I see are those manufactured images. If I am actually going to the trouble of looking up images of a game, I want to see what it actually looks like. Not some pretty image that has no relavence to the actual gameplay.

Yeah, same here. I have zero interest in a game until I see real screens. It's too bad companies like EA can get away with it. There just wasn't enough of an uproar when rendered images started making thier way into games/marketing years ago.

[bleeet]

EA is the worst for that I think. Personally, I just lose interest when all I see are those manufactured images. If I am actually going to the trouble of looking up images of a game, I want to see what it actually looks like. Not some pretty image that has no relavence to the actual gameplay.http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/8531/cdocumentsandsettingskylebrink.jpg



this explains it all

[Mr.Manic]

Good old penny arcade.

[riskit]

XBox 360 shortage confirmed

Second-quarter sales won't meet expectations, in part because the next-generation console isn't shaping up as quite the red-hot seller predicted

Sales in the current quarter will come in about $300 million lighter than Wall Street analysts expected, the company said. The culprit, say analysts, is lower-than-expected shipments of the next-generation Xbox console, due out Nov. 22.

http://businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc20051028_673956.htm

[RW99]

XBox 360 shortage confirmed

Second-quarter sales won't meet expectations, in part because the next-generation console isn't shaping up as quite the red-hot seller predicted



http://businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc20051028_673956.htm

Well the news is from the released fiscal first-quarter results. I would say they are just putting this out there to generate some demand, but I don't think they would fudge those numbers, or "Enron the numbers" in reverse :cheesygri

[jerryhussain]

http://xs52.xs.to/pics/05430/a11111.jpg

http://xs52.xs.to/pics/05430/a22222.jpg

http://xs52.xs.to/pics/05430/a33333.jpg

[Fantaz]

Heh, that baby's playing the PGR3 mini-game. It's pretty fun.

[Carpe Diem]

Apparently there is one kiosk in Ontario, in Parry Sound. Can anyone on RFD confirm this?

I was at the Parry Sound Walmart on Sat. and there was no xbox360 there. :(

[mushroomcheese]

I HAVE A QUESTION!

i won the pepsi 360 contest and i was wondering if there was a way that I could trade my game that comes with it (need for speed or madden) at a store on the release day for a different game?

also i also have an Untold Legends UMD still sealed which i got as a gift. is there any store i can trade this in for store credit or another game?

one more thing: is there any store that will accept preplayed PSP UMD games for store credit? how much store credit does EB give for one UMD or does it vary? if it helps these are the UMDs i would be interested in trading in:

wipeout pure
ridge racers
ape escape: on the looser
death jr

thanks

p.s. im currently interested in getting kameo and nba live 06 for the xbox 360, what games are you guys interested in?

[jerryhussain]

Heh, that baby's playing the PGR3 mini-game. It's pretty fun.
PGR3 mini-game? Looks like one of the arcade games in Xbox Live!

[dmdsoftware2]

Games available on release date:

- Perfect Dark Collector's Edition
- Project Gotham Racing 3
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Dead or Alive 4
- Call of Duty 2
- GUN
- Quake 4
- Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
- Condemned
- Madden NFL 2006
- Kameo
- Amped 3
- Ghost Recon
- NBA 2K6
- NHL 2K6
- Ridge Racer 6
- Top Spin 2
- Need for Speed: Most Wanted
- Tiger Woods 2006
- FIFA Soccer 06

[sfu_lifer]

Kameo and PGR3 is supposed to be sold at least a week ahead of time.
All I'm buying is Kameo and will sit it out until Gears of War is out.
Might get NBA Live or NBA 2K6 as well if I can find them on sale. I'm hoping they ship me Need for Speed instead of the Xbox 1.5 game that is Madden.

[JayPatel]

Im picking up Oblivion, and Kameo. Will buy the rest from the forums :)

[Yesdear]

so I dunno how much better the emulator will make them look

I am more concerned about them working.

[Yesdear]

- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- FIFA Soccer 06[/QUOTE]
- Ridge Racer 6
- Ghost Recon

These will not be launch titles. Some are only weeks after launch but some are Q1 06.

[sfu_lifer]

Anyone who buys GUN and Tony Hawk are retards. They could've saved $12 each by buying the Xbox version and playing it on the 360 :)

[Yesdear]

Anyone who buys GUN and Tony Hawk are retards. They could've saved $12 each by buying the Xbox version and playing it on the 360 :)


Neither are my kind of game but I would pay $12 more for 360 improvements (however minor).

[guest10586]

Games available on release date:

- Perfect Dark Collector's Edition
- Project Gotham Racing 3
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Dead or Alive 4
- Call of Duty 2
- GUN
- Quake 4
- Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
- Condemned
- Madden NFL 2006
- Kameo
- Amped 3
- Ghost Recon
- NBA 2K6
- NHL 2K6
- Ridge Racer 6
- Top Spin 2
- Need for Speed: Most Wanted
- Tiger Woods 2006
- FIFA Soccer 06

hmmm...more of the same from xbox. They really need to buy some other developing companies. Sports/Shooters are all on PC. :P

[Fantaz]

From what I've played Kameo isn't that great, so I would advise renting it first. Perfect Dark is good but I'd also suggest renting it instead. So far none of the Xbox 360 launch games that I've played interest me, except for Oblivion and Condemned. I'm going to wait until some good games like Gears of War come out before I get an X360.

[dmdsoftware2]

- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- FIFA Soccer 06
- Ridge Racer 6
- Ghost Recon

These will not be launch titles. Some are only weeks after launch but some are Q1 06.[/QUOTE]

It was on the official list of games available on launch day sent to retailers. There was a disclaimer at the bottom saying some titles may be delayed but they said there would be ample notice of any delay communicated to retailers. So far, no notice, but that doesn't mean much I guess.

[sfu_lifer]

Neither are my kind of game but I would pay $12 more for 360 improvements (however minor).
You would pay money for no improvements? The built-in Xbox emulator can do the minor graphical improvements for free :lol:

[tonychau]

sign~~.. could you give us a little more review... then "..isn't that great" or "..is good".....

a little bit of why??? Graphic or the content??... make you Dissatisfy?

Please.

From what I've played Kameo isn't that great, so I would advise renting it first. Perfect Dark is good but I'd also suggest renting it instead. So far none of the Xbox 360 launch games that I've played interest me, except for Oblivion and Condemned. I'm going to wait until some good games like Gears of War come out before I get an X360.

[ledorky]

From what I've seen, this is the closest thing you can get to a 'family' game for the 360 which is why I'm getting Kameo. Also helps that it plays like a Nintendo game :). Fantaz can't have played the near-final build since the stuff that's been 'touring' is not the near-gold edition. But of course, different strokes for different folks.
Can't wait for my brother's freebie 360 to arrive.

[Yesdear]

From what I've played Kameo isn't that great, so I would advise renting it first. Perfect Dark is good but I'd also suggest renting it instead. So far none of the Xbox 360 launch games that I've played interest me, except for Oblivion and Condemned. I'm going to wait until some good games like Gears of War come out before I get an X360.

Where did you play these?

[Yesdear]

You would pay money for no improvements? The built-in Xbox emulator can do the minor graphical improvements for free :lol:

There must be some difference between the two. I can't see the 360 version looking the same as the xbox version. I can see them having the same gameplay and features but not the same level of graphics. So yes I would pay $12.00 for slightly better graphics. Also, add the unknown to how games will play under an emulator and I think it is worth a little more for the 360 version.

What about NHL 2K6 being $29.99 on the XBOX but is $69.99 on the 360? This is a price difference I may not pay for the same game.

[grego9198]

When I get the system, I definitely want to see how much a graphical improvement there is on some of the cross platform games, specifically THAW. The game looks really cool on the DS, so I'll prolly pick it up for it. And I can always go for a good Skateboarding game on my console, I would hope that the 360 version warrants the increase in price. I think I'll wait for a review to see what others have to say before I plant money down on it though. Otherwise I'll stick to games that are 360 exclusive, PGR3 and Kameo for my launch titles. (maybe NFS:MW, cause it looks fun running from the cops).

[Moot]

I already have the Collector's Edition for both Perfect Dark Zero and Elderscrolls IV: Oblivion paid off at EB with credit. I am not sure where I am going to buy the XBOX 360 yet though.(Not worried about pre-ordering.)

[Yesdear]

I already have the Collector's Edition for both Perfect Dark Zero and Elderscrolls IV: Oblivion paid off at EB with credit. I am not sure where I am going to buy the XBOX 360 yet though.(Not worried about pre-ordering.)

You may want to use your Oblivion credit for something else. It was just anounced the game is behind and will not be out until next year.

[Kurtz7834]

You may want to use your Oblivion credit for something else. It was just anounced the game is behind and will not be out until next year.

:( Oblivion is the only title coming out around launch that interested me. I'm not a fan enough of the other types of games to buy them, at least not at full price. I'll be waiting for that new Bioware game too.

I will probably rent Kameo, PDZ and/or PGR3. Not a big FPS fan, and I lose interest in racing games quickly.

Kameo looks decent but I don't need another Mario / Ratchet and Clank type game. The graphics also don't really wow me from the screenshots I've seen.

[zzidaric]

Posting here as well to get highest visibility

See my post: Xbox360 FS + BB online pre-order shipping policy sucks
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213307

Hopefully we can get FS + BB to change their shipping policy!

Zed

[Corizzle]

When I get the system, I definitely want to see how much a graphical improvement there is on some of the cross platform games, specifically THAW. The game looks really cool on the DS, so I'll prolly pick it up for it.

Most pictures/movies I've seen have shown Tony Hawk for XBOX 360 has little, if any at all improvments in graphics over the regular XBOX version.

[soulflare]

Most pictures/movies I've seen have shown Tony Hawk for XBOX 360 has little, if any at all improvments in graphics over the regular XBOX version.

I believe that the developers have said that the only difference between the two is draw distance, so you'll save yourself from some "pop-in" should you opt for the 360 version... I guess.

[Fantaz]

Where did you play these?

I played them last Wednesday at X05 Canada that was at Paramount near Much Music building. I'm right now editing some videos I took at the event, you can download some right now here:

http://rapidshare.de/files/6990173/rdgercr6.wmv.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/6990123/ubipop3v.wmv.html

A lot more videos coming soon...

[Moot]

You may want to use your Oblivion credit for something else. It was just anounced the game is behind and will not be out until next year.

Just read about it on IGN. Darn. Oh well, I might just have to grab Kameo then.

[ledorky]

I believe that the developers have said that the only difference between the two is draw distance, so you'll save yourself from some "pop-in" should you opt for the 360 version... I guess.
Yeah, the graphical improvements are close to nil. Basically the laziest of ports just so they can slap a '360' label and have folks buy it. Even the devs are ashamed privately but it's beyond their control.

[Mgz]

be the first to play, be the first to get pwned by Microsoft :lol:

listen folk, first few batch of Xbox 360 will not support HD-DVD ;)

[jb22]

be the first to play, be the first to get pwned by Microsoft :lol:

listen folk, first few batch of Xbox 360 will not support HD-DVD ;)

I use to have the mind set that then ext generations of hi-def DVDs would be out already, as we were told by manufacturers but at this point I don't think anyone should really be holding their breath or even caring that much about blue-ray and HD-DVD. I think it's going to be another two years before things really start to to hit the market and I'm not sure if there will be a "winner" between the two formats by then.

Right now the only thing that each camp can deliver is promises, so if you want a 360 for games then go for it, as I doubt that if MS will implement HD-DVD into the 360 that it would effect games, maybe movie playback and that seems about it.

[sfu_lifer]

I think it's too late to put HD-DVD in the 360 now. But it's never too late to put your 360 on eBay ;)

[Ziggy007]

The 360 will not immediately feature the HD-DVD drive, the PS3 will have a Blu-Ray drive at launch though.

[Headhunter]

The 360 will not immediately feature the HD-DVD drive, the PS3 will have a Blu-Ray drive at launch though.
Wha, how do you add one later on? :|

[Ziggy007]

Wha, how do you add one later on? :|

You won't be able to add on the HD-DVD later unless MS designed the thing with removable drive bays to anticipate this move. Other than that MS will probably switch over to HD-DVD around first quarter next year meaning people who buy these first gen of the consoles will be SOL and stuck buying DVD versions of the games.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

Things like Madden 06, THAW, NFSWM, I will just get and play for the xbox. When I get back from France in May, I'll get a 360 for the new exclusive titles (Kameko, PGR, Gears of War, etc). Hopefully the mod community will be thriving by that time!

[x-batman]

You won't be able to add on the HD-DVD later unless MS designed the thing with removable drive bays to anticipate this move. Other than that MS will probably switch over to HD-DVD around first quarter next year meaning people who buy these first gen of the consoles will be SOL and stuck buying DVD versions of the games.

Actually they may come out with a HD-DVD 360 later on, but Im 100% sure it wont effect games, just it will play HD-DVD movies. If there were to switch their games onto HD-DVD disc's what kind of message would they be sending everyone that bought their consoles? They wont realease games on HD-DVD

[Headhunter]

You won't be able to add on the HD-DVD later unless MS designed the thing with removable drive bays to anticipate this move. Other than that MS will probably switch over to HD-DVD around first quarter next year meaning people who buy these first gen of the consoles will be SOL and stuck buying DVD versions of the games.
That's what I'm thinking, unless some complicated exchange program comes around or MS releases an external HD-DVD bay for original 360 owners.

Ugh.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

The thing is that games aren't constrained by disc size right now. New xbox games can be 2-3 gigs, when a DL DVD is what, 8+ gigs? HD-DVD/Blueray is nice for movies, but in the next 2-3 years the games will not be maxing out the space. So long as they have the graphical power, there will be lots of room for data on existing media.

[Kurtz7834]

Received the white bonus toque from my Futureshop.ca 360 preorder today. :)

As for the HD DVD issue, all games in the foreseeable future will be released in normal DVD format. As was said space is not yet an issue and no way will they release games that aren't compatible with all 360s. I don't think we'll see HD DVD versions of games for a couple of years at least and games will have to be in dual format for probably the lifespan of the system.

[Yesdear]

Buy a 360 from EB Games with an extended warranty. When/if M$ comes out with a new version of 360 with HD-DVD you accidentally drop yours and get a replacement.

:twisted:

[Ziggy007]

If all games have to be made in HD to a minimum of 720 (though I thought Bill wanted 1080) then you start taking up a lot more disc space pretty fast. Factor in that games are expected to have higher quality sound and much more detail and be expectedly longer than some of the 10 hour games released for this current generation, HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will ahev a purpose at some point.

[ShadowVlican]

If all games have to be made in HD to a minimum of 720 (though I thought Bill wanted 1080) then you start taking up a lot more disc space pretty fast. Factor in that games are expected to have higher quality sound and much more detail and be expectedly longer than some of the 10 hour games released for this current generation, HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will ahev a purpose at some point.
yea, we already need this NOW... there are PS2 games that use DVD9... we don't need space? :lol:

like he said, the higher resolution gaming these consoles are bringing us will need more space to store these high definition textures and crap, HD-DVD and blu-ray ARE the future

[jb22]

If all games have to be made in HD to a minimum of 720 (though I thought Bill wanted 1080) then you start taking up a lot more disc space pretty fast. Factor in that games are expected to have higher quality sound and much more detail and be expectedly longer than some of the 10 hour games released for this current generation, HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will ahev a purpose at some point.

First off I think 720p is better then 1080i as it's an interlaced image versus a progresive scan one so in theory 720p should produce a better pucture.

As for HD games taking up lost of storage pace, I don't think that it works the same as video. HD video takes a lot of room becasue of the amount of raw data that's there. But if you think of a game, it's all being drawn up and rendered. It's all math that the console is doing to create the images. It's like comparing a vector image to a raster image. The only thing that might take up more space for HD enabled games are the textures but the really good game studio probably have really talented texture artist who can create the effect of very hi res textures.

As for games, I don't think that we'll really be seeing anything to ground breaking in terms of gameplay for a while. I think for the first little while developers will probably be focused on creating eye candy as that's what's going to sell and in a way that's what people are expecting when a system first comes out.

[bmaz]

No HD-DVD games for HD-DVD Xbox 360? (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_blog_entries.php?board_id=909119209)

As for the quality difference between 720p and 1080i, I think it will depend on the eye of the beholder, literally.
1080i is obviously gonna be a bigger image, the qulaity is just gonna depend on the refresh rate of the CRT tube (unless I am mistaken LCDs, DLPs and plasma are all progressive).

When using a CRT monitor I have to have a refresh rate of at least 75 Hz, mainly 85Hz, anything below that and I can actually see the lines flickering.
I have notice a lot of people have no problems viewing images at 60 Hz, so for these people 1080i would be adequate.
1080i would only be adequate for me if the refresh rate is fast enough.

[jb22]

No HD-DVD games for HD-DVD Xbox 360? (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_blog_entries.php?board_id=909119209)

As for the quality difference between 720p and 1080i, I think it will depend on the eye of the beholder, literally.
1080i is obviously gonna be a bigger image, the qulaity is just gonna depend on the refresh rate of the CRT tube (unless I am mistaken LCDs, DLPs and plasma are all progressive).

When using a CRT monitor I have to have a refresh rate of at least 75 Hz, mainly 85Hz, anything below that and I can actually see the lines flickering.
I have notice a lot of people have no problems viewing images at 60 Hz, so for these people 1080i would be adequate.
1080i would only be adequate for me if the refresh rate is fast enough.

I was talking to one of my profs a while back, and I was asking him about working with HD as he's working on a show for the CBC that will be in HD. Anyway, he was saying that right now HD is sort of up in the air. He was saying some broadcasters like Fox have decided to go 1080i while other have preferred 720p. I think he was saying for sports events and live shows 1080i is used, I think for a technical reason but I'm not 100% sure.

Any way, I think Sony is working on 1080p so the evloution of HD isn't done just yet.

[Kurtz7834]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12661

Xbox 360 games will never use HD-DVD - Maruyama

Next generation DVD format will only be used for video content, says Xbox Japan boss

Japan's chief of Xbox operations, Yoshihiro Maruyama, has confirmed that while a version of the Xbox 360 console which can read HD-DVD discs is a possibility, the next-generation DVD standard will never be used for games on the platform.

His comments were made to Enterbrain's Famitsu Xbox magazine in an interview, where he expanded on a statement made by Microsoft chairman Bill Gates back in June regarding the potential for a HD-DVD enabled Xbox 360.

"It's a possibility, but it won't have any relationship to gaming," Maruyama said, according to a translation from US website GameSpot. "If the Xbox 360 uses a next-generation DVD drive in the future, it will only be used for watching movies that run on next-generation DVDs."

His statement is simply confirmation of what many commentators had already said - that Microsoft can't change the media it's shipping games on halfway through the life cycle of a console, leaving owners of the DVD version unable to play HD-DVD games.

However, it's telling that Maruyama used the phrase "next-generation DVD" rather than HD-DVD specifically. In recent weeks, several supporters of the HD-DVD standard - which is being pushed by Toshiba and its partners - have defected to the camp of rival standard Blu-Ray, which was developed by Sony and will be used by the PlayStation 3.

Microsoft, however, remains a staunch supporter of HD-DVD, for the stated reason that the specification allows for the contents of a disc to be securely "ripped" to another storage device in the consumer's home - such as a Windows Media Centre PC.

The support of the software giant hasn't extended to putting HD-DVD drives in the Xbox 360 though (not least because they probably wouldn't have been ready in time for launch), and is unlikely to carry as much weight as the support of the key Hollywood studios - most of whom appear to be falling in line behind the Blu-Ray banner at present.

/END QUOTE

So there you go, it's official and this confirms what myself and a few others have been saying. Cue all sorts of claims as to why PS3 games will be better due to more space and higher resolutions. So anyone who is holding off buying a 360 for this reason, doesn't make sense. And even if you want the HD DVD drive to watch movies, better, cheaper standalone drives will be available. The movies aren't even on the market yet!

BTW, I think the PS3 will be a better system in the long run, but not for the above reason. Simply because the library of licensed exclusive games is huge.

But... the 360 is cheaper, and more importantly, is here NOW. I'm gonna to get it at launch and enjoy it.

[Marlek]

No HD-DVD games for HD-DVD Xbox 360? (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_blog_entries.php?board_id=909119209)

As for the quality difference between 720p and 1080i, I think it will depend on the eye of the beholder, literally.
1080i is obviously gonna be a bigger image, the qulaity is just gonna depend on the refresh rate of the CRT tube (unless I am mistaken LCDs, DLPs and plasma are all progressive).

When using a CRT monitor I have to have a refresh rate of at least 75 Hz, mainly 85Hz, anything below that and I can actually see the lines flickering.
I have notice a lot of people have no problems viewing images at 60 Hz, so for these people 1080i would be adequate.
1080i would only be adequate for me if the refresh rate is fast enough.

This is a bit off. Unlike PC monitors, TV refresh rates are determined by the type of material being displayed. Standard NTSC TV refresh rate is 60 Hz. 720p & 1080i are also 60 Hz. The difference, however, is that 720p will display a full 60 progressive frames per second, while 1080i displays 60 interlaced frames per second. What this means is that when watching 1080i each pass draws half the lines on the screen resulting in, effectively, 30 full frames per second.

Practically speaking this means that 1080i can result in more jaggies, which is why 720p is typically used for sports. 1080i will visually appear to have a higher effective resolution. The differences in quality between CRT devices don't have anything to do with refresh rates.

[jerryhussain]

Any way, I think Sony is working on 1080p so the evloution of HD isn't done just yet.
Why 1080p Is A Magic Number (And Letter) (http://news.designtechnica.com/print_talkback47.html) ;)

By the way, this guy played PD0:

On the whole, I couldn’t be more impressed with Perfect Dark Zero. I went in expecting mediocrity, I came out amazed by what Rare has accomplished. They’ve spent almost five years on the game, and it really shows. Innovation runs through every facet of the game, and the attention to detail of this title is truly mind-boggling. If you want the best damned co-op experience to date, Perfect Dark Zero looks to be the go-to game this November.
http://www.talkxbox.com/preview745.html

[Carpe Diem]

Are there any Star Wars games slated for the 360?

[stockbones]

when xbox360 comes out, how do i transfer my xbl account over from my xbox to xbox 360, would they need my cc information again?? its prepaid for a year, but i cancelled my cc last month.

[soulflare]

He was saying some broadcasters like Fox have decided to go 1080i while other have preferred 720p. I think he was saying for sports events and live shows 1080i is used, I think for a technical reason but I'm not 100% sure.

You've got that completely backwards.

[jb22]

You've got that completely backwards.

Give me a break, it was conversation I had a few months back, my point was that different networks and producers are taking different approaches to HD and what and how they're broadcasting.

[gprime]

Any 2405fpw owners want to test something?

The best way to get a good signal on the 2405 is to use a VGA connection from the xbox360 right? (Unless it's only my monitor that makes the component signal look like pure crap). Anywho, I tested out a 1080i resolution (1920x1080) for VGA and it looked great with 1:1 scaling:

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3628/1920x1080vga24059na.th.jpg (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1920x1080vga24059na.jpg)

But when I tried a 720p resolution from VGA (1280x720) the 2405 didn't seem to enjoy that much at all, and gave a really distorted image:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4994/72011it.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72011it.jpg)
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/261/72029cv.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72029cv.jpg)
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9123/72038ix.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72038ix.jpg)

if the xbox360 signal looks like that from VGA at 720p on the 2405, im going to cry.

[SAS-1]

If you want to you can have the Xbox output at 1080i instead of the 720p. It's a setting in the video menu of the Xbox 360. Can your monitor do 1080i?

edit: nm, read that you tested 1080i. You should be fine.

[Darko]

Anyone else here going to "Xbox 360 Experience Toronto"? You can play the 360, make your own faceplates etc. there will be contests and stuff. Its tommrow from 10am-12pm at 423 Queen St W.

Info @ http://www.playxbox360.ca/

:cheesygri

[Canadianpsycho]

Let me get something straight... 1080i is 1920 x 1080, right? PC gaming is done at resolutions close to and above these resolution... Why the heck would this mean that Xbox 360 games would need media with larger capacity?

I may have it all wrong, but the reasons games get bigger is due to content, not due to resolution.

[bmaz]

Let me get something straight... 1080i is 1920 x 1080, right? PC gaming is done at resolutions close to and above these resolution... Why the heck would this mean that Xbox 360 games would need media with larger capacity?

I may have it all wrong, but the reasons games get bigger is due to content, not due to resolution.
AFAIK Resolution does play a role, PC games are 'upscaled' to higher resolutions.
Whereas a 1080i image would have 1920x1080 native resolution.
:arrow: Try to find a wallpaper that has a 1600x1200 resolution.
:arrow: Save a copy of it compressed to 800x600 (1/4 its size).
:arrow: Compare the sizes (MB, megs) of both images.
:arrow: Enlarge the 800x600 image back to 1600x1200.
:arrow: Now compare the image quality between that and the original image.

I don't know what the native resolution is for most current PC games, but the above should give some ideas to the difference in quality and size (MBs).

[Canadianpsycho]

AFAIK Resolution does play a role, PC games are 'upscaled' to higher resolutions.
Whereas a 1080i image would have 1920x1080 native resolution.
:arrow: Try to find a wallpaper that has a 1600x1200 resolution.
:arrow: Save a copy of it compressed to 800x600 (1/4 its size).
:arrow: Compare the sizes (MB, megs) of both images.
:arrow: Enlarge the 800x600 image back to 1600x1200.
:arrow: Now compare the image quality between that and the original image.

I don't know what the native resolution is for most current PC games, but the above should give some ideas to the difference in quality and size (MBs).

In understand that, but most PC games (which can go higher resolutions and look better if you have the horsepower) don't eclipse even dual layer size... However I do realize that the Xbox didn't use any sort of compression since it needs to be played off a disc instead of being installed.

Look at games like X-Men Legends... Looks amazing, 720p support, and the images are 2-3 GB in size.

I dunno, I just don't see why HD-DVD will be needed for games for a while. But I'm not up on the coding differences between consoles and PCs.

[buddhaboy12]

I've been wondering about the HD-DVD drive and how the Xbox will release their system in stages

So, if i buy the system now with the regular DVD drive, can i get an upgrade to the HD-DVD drive? and would it cost anything? if so, how much?

[Canadianpsycho]

I've been wondering about the HD-DVD drive and how the Xbox will release their system in stages

So, if i buy the system now with the regular DVD drive, can i get an upgrade to the HD-DVD drive? and would it cost anything? if so, how much?

From what I've been reading, later models may have HD-DVD. "They" are saying games won't be in HD-DVD but normal DVD for a while.

[Corizzle]

From what I've been reading, later models may have HD-DVD. "They" are saying games won't be in HD-DVD but normal DVD for a while.

But it could be where the game has 2 different versions, a 2 disk DVD version or a 1 disk HD-DVD version, I don't think it really matters though as on the PS1 and Dreamcast there were many different multi-disk games so I've gotten used to having to change a disk

[sfu_lifer]

The Japanese MS 360 folks have been adamant if the HD upgrade happens, it'll only be for movies. I think that's sound thinking. Fragmenting the market is the last thing u want (as is pissing off all the early adopters). Just think, if they start including the HD-DVD 9 months from now when the PS3 launches, wouldn't u feel gypped? I'm getting mine for free but I'd still be choked :)

[jb22]

The Japanese MS 360 folks have been adamant if the HD upgrade happens, it'll only be for movies. I think that's sound thinking. Fragmenting the market is the last thing u want (as is pissing off all the early adopters). Just think, if they start including the HD-DVD 9 months from now when the PS3 launches, wouldn't u feel gypped? I'm getting mine for free but I'd still be choked :)

I wouldn't be surprised is MS never adopts an HD-DVD drive. Right now both HD-DVD and Blue-Ray almost seem like an already lost cause if both hardware makers and content providers can't figure out a solution. I mean who would bother picking up either format with such a divide in the industry.

[Gibber]

Here is a news tid-bit for all 360 junkies out there (of which I am surely one)

Spanish speaking site Mundorare.com is reporting that sources from inside Rare have stated all Microsoft Game Studios games from Xbox 1 will be backwards compatible with the Xbox 360. In addition to that, they also claim that Microsoft has figured out a way to keep memory saves recorded on Xbox 1 and transfer them to the Xbox 360 through ethernet connection. If true, it's a good thing you kept your Xbox 1. Oh, you traded it in to fund your Xbox 360? Well damn.

360 is going to rock... :D

[mark_in_2k]

Just been to my local EB in Fairview Mall, Kitchener and I've played on the X360!! It's the really nice display unit, not like the Walmart one.

I didn't get to play for long (the wife was with me!) but what I saw I liked! Played a little on COD2, then watched someone else play a little King Kong (the T-rex vs Kong fight).

Controller felt amazing and I love the fact that you know have 2 shoulder buttons by the triggers. Made lobbing grenades in COD2 easy!

Can't wait till I get my Pepsi X360 prize pack!!

[BoxsterS]

Well, if the artifacts weren't enough there is now the black screen of death seen on some units:

http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/bsod/xbox360_bsod_01.jpg

Thankfully, it's in multiple languages.

[Moot]

:lol:

[SLee]

AFAIK Resolution does play a role, PC games are 'upscaled' to higher resolutions.
Whereas a 1080i image would have 1920x1080 native resolution.
:arrow: Try to find a wallpaper that has a 1600x1200 resolution.
:arrow: Save a copy of it compressed to 800x600 (1/4 its size).
:arrow: Compare the sizes (MB, megs) of both images.
:arrow: Enlarge the 800x600 image back to 1600x1200.
:arrow: Now compare the image quality between that and the original image.

I don't know what the native resolution is for most current PC games, but the above should give some ideas to the difference in quality and size (MBs).
3D games in general don't have a "native resolution". The levels and characters are stored in a 3D coordinate space before being rasterized to 2D based on what ever the desired display resolution is. The higher the resolution, the better the graphics. That's why emulators can play 3D PS1 games at significantly higher resolution than the PS1 specifications. Textures are the component which consume the most space and could in theory require many GB in size. However, they can only be so big before the graphics card or console runs out of memory capacity and bandwidth.

[luthair]

AFAIK Resolution does play a role, PC games are 'upscaled' to higher resolutions.
Whereas a 1080i image would have 1920x1080 native resolution.
:arrow: Try to find a wallpaper that has a 1600x1200 resolution.
:arrow: Save a copy of it compressed to 800x600 (1/4 its size).
:arrow: Compare the sizes (MB, megs) of both images.
:arrow: Enlarge the 800x600 image back to 1600x1200.
:arrow: Now compare the image quality between that and the original image.

I don't know what the native resolution is for most current PC games, but the above should give some ideas to the difference in quality and size (MBs).

Most PC games include textures in a variety of resolutions.

[Mgz]

MS will NOT offer a HD-DVD replacement kit... u have to do it (h4x0r3d it) yourself (void warranty) or get a new Xbox. Do u think Billy is THAT stupid? :razz:


First to play, first to be screwed :lol:

that's why i never jump to new stuff right away, 1st it is expensive, 2nd it takes sometime (hardware and firmware revision) to get it right

[Gibber]

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."
- Mark Twain

[ledorky]

MS will NOT offer a HD-DVD replacement kit... u have to do it (h4x0r3d it) yourself (void warranty) or get a new Xbox. Do u think Billy is THAT stupid? :razz:


First to play, first to be screwed :lol:

that's why i never jump to new stuff right away, 1st it is expensive, 2nd it takes sometime (hardware and firmware revision) to get it right
Don't care. My bro and I will use it mainly as a MC Extender :cheesygri

[sparhawk909]

A quick question about the connectivity of the XBox360 and my computer. I'm running Windows XP PRO and am connected to the internet through a USB 2.0 receiver. (D-Link GWL122)

I've disabled my onboard GigaLAN via bios (Asus A8V Deluxe 2.0), but when I get my XBox360, I want to somehow use my LAN port as a throughput to the XBox360. Can Windows XP PRO networking wizard do this (bridge the connection between the computer and the LAN port? I also have an extra PCI network card.

I intend to play my XBox360 on my 22" NEC CRT.

[Fantaz]

Hah, this is a good article:

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154

Dreamcast 2.0! :lol:

[Humgaling]

http://www.blazefreenetwork.com/uploads/files/nba-2k6-20051104034327916.jpg
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[mushroomcheese]

what do you guys think is a better game, NBA 2K6 or NBA Live '06?

i have NBA Live '06 for the PSP and think its a great game, never tried NBA 2K6 though

^^^ any suggestions?

also what games are you guys going to get on release day? i'm currently interested in Kameo

[Rosico]

has anyone seen a demo of NHL 2K6? Thinking I would like to pick that up but the previews have been less than flattering.

[Fantaz]

Play some Xbox 360 games before it comes out!

http://www.playxbox360.ca

(Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal)

[Yesdear]

has anyone seen a demo of NHL 2K6? Thinking I would like to pick that up but the previews have been less than flattering.

I have seen the XBOX version and it looks good so I am assuming the 360 versions would be just as good. What are the previews saying? This is one of two titles I am going to buy.

[sfu_lifer]

They didn't improve it as much as say, NBA2k6 so very xbox 1.5.
They changed the textures and improved the models but not too much done other than add in the crease stuff and the new goalie play.

[Kurtz7834]

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion has been delayed to Feb. 2006 at earliest. >:( Contemplating cancelling my preorder since that's the only 'launch' game I was much interested in.

[tonychau]

will you??? why?
you are going to get x360 anyway now or later. You should get it now at launch!... MuSt nooooot back out now!

MS needs your support to get good worldwide launch figures :D

I'm a ps fanboy asking you to support MS launch! ;)

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion has been delayed to Feb. 2006 at earliest. >:( Contemplating cancelling my preorder since that's the only 'launch' game I was much interested in.

[Marlek]

You're likely to do well ebaying it post launch instead.

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion has been delayed to Feb. 2006 at earliest. >:( Contemplating cancelling my preorder since that's the only 'launch' game I was much interested in.

[Ziggy007]

I don't know about the sweat effects on the players. Hopefully they don't have that glimmer from the start of every game or else it would just be of those dumb things they do to try and show off the capabilities of the system at the cost of realism/gameplay.

[mark_in_2k]

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion has been delayed to Feb. 2006 at earliest. >:( Contemplating cancelling my preorder since that's the only 'launch' game I was much interested in.
Is there really much point in pre-ordering games?

I've never come into a situation where I could not get a game on a release day because I didn't pre-order. The sheer quantity of Halo 2 games available on launch day was massive. There would be very little chance of not getting from some stores.

The only time I would pre-order a game is if they have it at a special price (like Amazon does).

IMO, it's a marketing gimmic created by the likes of EB Games or Gamestop.

[Kurtz7834]

Is there really much point in pre-ordering games?

I've never come into a situation where I could not get a game on a release day because I didn't pre-order. The sheer quantity of Halo 2 games available on launch day was massive. There would be very little chance of not getting from some stores.

The only time I would pre-order a game is if they have it at a special price (like Amazon does).

IMO, it's a marketing gimmic created by the likes of EB Games or Gamestop.

Oh, no, I'm talking about my console preorder. I would never preorder a game and pay early. Amazon.ca and FS.ca are fine since they don't charge until shipping.

The thing is I got in on the $50 off coupon so I think I'll keep my console preorder. I can't see the system falling below $450 til early spring at earliest since MS is losing a fair bit of money on each one right now. As the cost of the hardware drops it makes a price drop easier.

[bluetroll]

i just got back from my local Best Buy.... they had an XBox360 demo booth.. OMG... i was playing Call of Duty.... man... if i wasn't sooo broke i'd definitely have one by xmas.... but i'll hafta wait....

[JayPatel]

I just won one from the PEPSI contest. Should I keep my pre-order and sell it at cost here? would anyone be interested if I go that route?

[sfu_lifer]

I just won one from the PEPSI contest. Should I keep my pre-order and sell it at cost here? would anyone be interested if I go that route?
Congrats and I officially welcome u to the winner's circle :)
Keep it and ebay it.

[JayPatel]

I'm not one to profiteer. I always sell my stuff at cost, especially when I score really good deals. Its a way to give back to RFD cause without the site, I would never have gotten the deal in the first place. Its tempting sometimes to take the easy way and make a few bucks but its not how I roll.

it feels good to be part of the club. I gave up hope Sunday night almost, glad I didnt. Be prepared to take on the most badass PGR3 driver on Live. See you in about 14 days online :)

[sfu_lifer]

I'm not one to profiteer. I always sell my stuff at cost, especially when I score really good deals. Its a way to give back to RFD cause without the site, I would never have gotten the deal in the first place. Its tempting sometimes to take the easy way and make a few bucks but its not how I roll.

it feels good to be part of the club. I gave up hope Sunday night almost, glad I didnt. Be prepared to take on the most badass PGR3 driver on Live. See you in about 14 days online :)
That's nice of you.
Say, how many entries did u put in total? I have another bud who won last Sat and he put in nearly 1000. I won kinda early so i only put in 150 or so.

[Corizzle]

That's nice of you.
Say, how many entries did u put in total? I have another bud who won last Sat and he put in nearly 1000. I won kinda early so i only put in 150 or so.

Says in his sig 275

[mark_in_2k]

Looks like games and accessories (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9706/Xbox-360-Games-Accessories-and-Xbox-Live-Retail-Offerings-Hitting-Store-Shelves/) are becoming available in some stores (probably in the US right now).

That's good news for us Pepsi winners! Now I can pick up an extra controller for some multiplayer PGR3!

[Kurtz7834]

Which game looks to be the better game - Perfect Dark Zero or Project Gotham 3? Has anyone read any reviews yet? Which of the two would you pick? I need to choose one.

[Fantaz]

Depends what you like more. Action or racing games?

[Kurtz7834]

Depends what you like more. Action or racing games?

I like both really, but I'm more an RPG and strategy guy. MS is giving one of those 2 games away with Live activation, so I need to pick one. I enjoy FPS and racing games but am not a huge fan of either genre. It looks like PGR3 has better graphics, I was just wondering if anyone had seen reviews for either game yet. I want to place an order tonight since supposedly the free game takes 4 to 6 weeks to arrive.

PGR3 or PDZ? That is the question.

[mark_in_2k]

MS is giving one of those 2 games away with Live activation, so I need to pick one.
Can you give us some more details? I'm not a current Live subber, so I'd be really interested in this.

[Kurtz7834]

See this thread. Someone just posted this in Hot Deals today.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216511

Basically if you activate a Live Subscription between Nov. 7 and Jan. 31, MS will send you a free game. You can choose from a few XBox1 games or 3 360 games - PDZ, PGR3 or NHL 2006. Supposedly you have to be a Sympatico subscriber too but who knows if they check.

I already had an unactivated live card so I'm good to go. If you have any interest in Live it's a great deal. Current Xbox LIve memberships can be used on the 360.

[bug]

I just won one from the PEPSI contest. Should I keep my pre-order and sell it at cost here? would anyone be interested if I go that route?
Congrats on winning one. I've been playing since day one and have nothing to show for it yet.
I'm sure you could sell it easy enough. XBOX 360s are gonna be the hot ticket this Christmas.

[rdtx2002]

i'm so underwhelmed about 360..

[JayPatel]

XBOX360 Enchancements for the XBOX1 Halo games. 720P and 4X FSAA

But here's another bonus – the hardware in the 360 can do a lot of nifty stuff, and specifically in the cases of Halo and Halo 2, it can display the graphics in wide screen, at 720p, with full scene anti-aliasing. And it doesn't look kludgy, artifacty or smeary like an upscanning DVD player. The best way to describe it is that both games look like they're running on a PC at those resolutions.

http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/comparison2.jpg

http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/halo2_480i.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/halo2cine2.jpg

http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/haloone02.jpg

[JayPatel]

apparently the XBOX360 doesnt have enough power to render the fannypacks :)

[Jump]

That's pretty sweet. But umm... Bungie announces that they're Backwards compatible and we still haven't heard one word from Microsoft about that B/C list. Ah well, at least I know two games I can pick up now :lol:

[Yesdear]

That's pretty sweet. But umm... Bungie announces that they're Backwards compatible and we still haven't heard one word from Microsoft about that B/C list. Ah well, at least I know two games I can pick up now :lol:

That is making me nervous as well.

[gprime]

Don't forget that they promised they would gradually add more and more compatible games as time goes by. It'll be a free update over xbox live. So even if your favourite game doesn't play at launch, give it time.. they might emulate it eventually.

[Angultra]

Sorry if this has been posted already, don't have time to review all the pages...

EB Games in the Eaton Centre has an Xbox 360 console (w/ 2 controllers in upright case, large widescreen LCD), and I was told it was fully functional. The employee said he was busy and wasn't opening it just yet, had see through plastic surrounding it...but it should be up and running soon. I assume other EB stores will do the same.

[JayPatel]

Hitman 5......errrrr I mean Splinter Cell 4

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5281/2089073xw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[JayPatel]

http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/Hardware/360proto1.jpg http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/Hardware/360proto2.jpg
http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/Hardware/360proto3.jpg http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/Hardware/360proto4.jpg
http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/Hardware/360proto5.jpg http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/Hardware/360proto6.jpg

[ABOVEtheRIM]

Hitman 5......errrrr I mean Splinter Cell 4

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5281/2089073xw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

WOW :lol:

looks amazing

[JLunar]

Hey guys, I'm too lazy to browse through the eleventy million pages but I thought you'd like to know:

You can test the 360 in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal (http://www.playxbox360.ca/) at their "lounges"

Review ready copies of Kameo and PGR are out, and some playable previews of Perfect Dark and a few other games. King kong looked stunning at the XBox holiday party, but unfortunately, no playable demo this week. They are waiting to get 'em in, so repeated visit may be worthwhile.

They look fantastic btw. Like, really, really good. the water effects on rock are really nice.

See you at the launch party!

[Marlek]

EB in Kingston received a kiosk a couple of days ago. I don't think many people were aware of this, so I was able to hop on and play for about 15 minutes. Playable demos were available of King Kong, COD II and Kameo. Here are my impressions:

Call of Duty II

I've played the PC version of this game, but came away impressed regardless. The textures are not quite as hi rez as the PC version is capable of, but the picture is stunning at 720p HD. What also impressed me was the solid framerate the game achieves, even with a great deal of action occurring on screen at the same time. For those who don't have a PC capable of really high end graphics, I would highly recommend they give this version a try.


King Kong

Two possible sequences are available for this game, although I only played one. In the part I played, you control Kong defending the chiquita against a vicious T-Rex. The graphics in this sequence are excellent, taking good advantage of the systems capability. Animations, textures and lighting were very impressive. The framerate, however, seemed to dip a number of times making for a somewhat uneven experience. Combat seemed a little boring as well, as you manoevre to grapple with the T-Rex occasionally pummeling it with your fists. It's possible this game may have a great deal more depth than was apparent, but I wasn't too thrilled with the gameplay.


Kameo

This game is a platformer, with some beat em up elements. You control a faerie with the ability to morph into other forms including an armored ball, an ape like creature, and a man-eating plant. Each of the forms has a variety of distinct attacks. The graphics and environment in this game were top notch. It has a very stylized look to it, somewhat similar to World of Warcraft in appearance (I'm a fan of that kind of stylization, but it may not be for everyone). You basically climb, roll and fight your way through a variety of environments in this demo. The production values were impressive.

Last point is the controller. It's every bit as good as everyone says it is. Essentially a smaller version (maybe %25 percent lighter, and a fair bit thinner) of the controller-S with shoulder buttons replacing the black and white buttons. The shoulder buttons are easily accessible, and comfortable to use, even while simultaneously using the triggers. Positioning of the start and option buttons is much improved as well, located within easy reach of the thumbs.

I came away fairly impressed although I must admit I really wanted to see playable demos of PGR3. I'm getting pretty excited about the launch.

[JLunar]

btw, two-play Kameo was quite a lot of fun.

And I wish they'd had two-play for Perfect Dark.

PGR was phenomenal. Played w/o the textures a couple weeks back, but they have the review final out now and it was really awesome.

[P__S__2]

i still havent played any of the kiosks.

[Jump]

Most of those proto types that Jay posted are ugly. I thought 360 wasn't that good looking cause of the odd curves inward but compared to those prototypes, it doesn't look so bad now. I'd still like to know why Premium packages gets chrome details on the system while Core packages are left all white. Seems like an odd move.

[Corizzle]

See this thread. Someone just posted this in Hot Deals today.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216511

Basically if you activate a Live Subscription between Nov. 7 and Jan. 31, MS will send you a free game. You can choose from a few XBox1 games or 3 360 games - PDZ, PGR3 or NHL 2006. Supposedly you have to be a Sympatico subscriber too but who knows if they check.

I already had an unactivated live card so I'm good to go. If you have any interest in Live it's a great deal. Current Xbox LIve memberships can be used on the 360.

Great Deal, my subscription runs out in Feburary so I'll renew in January and basically get a $60 game and pay only $20 for my XBOX Live for a year.

[dougi3000]

Eh? what is this? an unmarked storefront on a really dirty street. "Open" says the sign in the window with no lights whatsoever.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/100_0126.JPG

hmm... dirty, looks kinda shady.... crack house?
http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/100_0127.JPG

Oh wait! it is the Vancouver Xbox360 Event! with an entire 4 kiosks and a crazy guy painting some evil looking people on a large canvas. (?)
http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/100_0125.JPG


it was EXTREMELY disappointing. 4 kiosks 3 games, perfect dark, nhl2k6, kameo. I showed the host how to change the consoles to 720p mode (since he obviously didnt know how), but perfect dark was stuck on 480p.

Any more kiosks coming? "no" he said
Any more games coming? "no, PGR3 was pulled from the event, and they are not planning to have any other games." he said
Any giveaways? "maybe on the weekend" he said.

I don't know if anything is going to change next week, but there is nothing but disappointment this week.

[Headhunter]

I don't know if anything is going to change next week, but there is nothing but disappointment this week.
Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but was it a press only event or simply a "street style" marketed thing?

Hey, at least there was a building; the original X-Box press launch in Toronto was in a tent. It had more games, but other than Halo they were tremendously disappointing. What genius decides that showing off Cel Damage would be a good idea? :confused:

[dougi3000]

Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but was it a press only event or simply a "street style" marketed thing?

Hey, at least there was a building; the original X-Box press launch in Toronto was in a tent. It had more games, but other than Halo they were tremendously disappointing. What genius decides that showing off Cel Damage would be a good idea? :confused:

street style, public walk in.
www.playxbox360.ca

GAWD............. I am still shocked.

[Jump]

That's horrible... it's almost like they're trying to make it cheesy-ghetto on purpose.

I keep hearing something off of G4TV about some Xbox 360 Zero Launch Hour happening out somewhere in the middle east that is going to be on live. I'm probably misinformed since I was only half listening at the time but why launch a system from a place that probably won't even have a 360 market?

[soulflare]

I was sent an invitation for that launch event. It's in the Mojave desert somewhere, not the Middle East. :lol:


"Come and play Call of Duty 2 in Iraq before it's available in stores... with graphics so real you'll actually believe you're being shot at!"


.

[Jump]

Haha whoops! My bad :D :lol: I knew I was only half listening. Middle East - Mojave. They're both deserts, close enough ;)

[JayPatel]

my bad, turns out the SC4 shots are in fact XBOX1 shots, these arent even 360 shots.

xboxyde.com

[ABOVEtheRIM]

my bad, turns out the SC4 shots are in fact XBOX1 shots, these arent even 360 shots.

xboxyde.com

I cant wait to see what it looks like for the 360 then, those xbox shots were amazing IMO

[Kurtz7834]

Has anyone heard about the future of Xbox1 development?

I've heard there will be no more first party MS Xbox1 games being developed? What about 3rd party support? I assume it will depend on how the 360 sells as well.

I don't think the XBox1 hardware has been pushed to its full potential the way the PS2's has. Perhaps it never will be.

[ledorky]

I love the Vancouver location.
2 blocks away from crack city :evil:

It's so shady you don't even know there's anything going on and the outside is only marked by tarps and a really ugly tiny cardboard xbox360 sign.

I wonder what the budget for this thing was :lol:

[sonick]

I saw the kiosk at local EB today, some kids playing Call of Duty.

Im no expert on gaming and graphics and all the techy stuff, but it looked very decent. albiet no HUGE jump from Xbox, just higher res (less jaggies), everything looks more polished, higher framerate/much smoother gameplay, better effects (like smoke, etc)

[dougi3000]

O M G! Wasted my time.
THe MS marketers should be SHOT. After that MS CRACKHOUSE (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2378610&postcount=1275) they put up yesterday, today was a fricken waste of time!!


hey, there is a secret on the playxbox360.ca website.
There are gps coords.

GPS Clues (http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/clues.JPG)

ok, so i go there. and guess what?!?!
there is NOTHING THERE! except for some prolife activists.

WHAT THE HELL!!!!!! (http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/wtf.JPG)

That wasted my entire morning. and it was pouring rain when i got there. my GPS couldnt pick up a signal. Looked around in teh rain for an hour, the skies cleared up, and these prolife dudes show up. LOoked all over the place for the "posters" nothing... there WAS a poster scraper guy there taking off the "illegal" posters.

GAHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
someone kill the canada MS marketer!!!!!!1 HE SUCKS!!!!!!11oneoneone...

[ledorky]

LOL. I was reading the IGN threads. It's freakin' HILARIOUS.
Everybody is laughing around the world at how ghetto Microsoft Canada has done the Vancouver play360 event(s). Good job MS. Way to bring your A-game.

[Aflac!]

O M G! Wasted my time.
THe MS marketers should be SHOT. After that MS CRACKHOUSE (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2378610&postcount=1275) they put up yesterday, today was a fricken waste of time!!


hey, there is a secret on the playxbox360.ca website.
There are gps coords.

GPS Clues (http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/clues.JPG)

ok, so i go there. and guess what?!?!
there is NOTHING THERE! except for some prolife activists.

WHAT THE HELL!!!!!! (http://members.lycos.co.uk/dougi3000/temp/xbox360/wtf.JPG)

That wasted my entire morning. and it was pouring rain when i got there. my GPS couldnt pick up a signal. Looked around in teh rain for an hour, the skies cleared up, and these prolife dudes show up. LOoked all over the place for the "posters" nothing... there WAS a poster scraper guy there taking off the "illegal" posters.

GAHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
someone kill the canada MS marketer!!!!!!1 HE SUCKS!!!!!!11oneoneone...

Yeah, I was there today as well looking for the poster....anyways it's not a big deal, apparently the prize is just a Samsung MP3 player....

[Aflac!]

street style, public walk in.
www.playxbox360.ca

GAWD............. I am still shocked.

At least they gave out free Pepsi and Doritos ;)

[jimbojones]

ign has a pgr3 video, and its actual gameplay footage
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/666/666029p1.html
Looks pretty sweet.

I also watched the madden video and almost fell asleep. I guess I'm just not into football games.

[sonick]

ign has a pgr3 video, and its actual gameplay footage
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/666/666029p1.html
Looks pretty sweet.

I also watched the madden video and almost fell asleep. I guess I'm just not into football games.
don't replays usually look better than real-time in-game (IE. when you're actually DRIVING)?

EDIT: dunno if this has been posted, but THIS i am impressed with, even tho at low resolution (in-car view of actual gameplay): http://dl8.rapidshare.de/files/5673798/205368917/pgr3.wmv

[JayPatel]

The backwards compatibility list is going to be released tonight at 6PM PST on www.xbox.com word on that street is that several titles are going to get free 4X FSAA. 720P upscaling support should be present on some titles as well like Halo2 and Halo are receiving. Several new release xbox 1 games are going to already contain the recompiled 360 executables so Core systems should also be able to get some BC out of their systems. The only confirmed title so far is Fable.

[JayPatel]

Heh, its there now, although not complete

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm

* Airforce Delta Storm
* Alias
* Aliens vs. Predator: Extinction
* All Star Baseball 2003
* Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding
* Army Men: Sarge's War
* Atari Anthology
* ATV Quad Power Racing 2
* Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance II
* Barbarian
* Barbie Horse Adventure
* Batman Begins
* Battle Engine Aquila
* Battlestar Galactica
* Blinx 2
* BMX XXX
* Brute Force
* Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Chaos Bleeds
* Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts
* Cabela’s Outdoor Adventures 06
* Cabela's Deer Hunt 2005
* Cabela's Deer Hunt: 2004 Season
* Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
* Call of Duty: Finest Hour
* Casino
* Catwoman
* Chicago Enforcer
* Circus Maximus
* Close Combat: First to Fight
* Colin McRae 4
* Combat Elite
* Commandos 2
* Conflict: Desert Storm
* Constantine
* Crash Bandicoot: Twinsanity
* Crash Nitro Kart
* Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
* Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
* Curse – The Eye of Isis
* Dark Angel
* Darkwatch
* Deathrow
* Digimon Rumble Arena
* Dinotopia
* Dead or Alive 3
* Drake
* Egg Mania
* ESPN MLS Extra Time 2002
* Euro 2004
* F1 Championship Season 2001
* Fable
* Fable: The Lost Chapters
* Fairly Odd Parents: Breakin' da Rules
* FIFA 2003
* FIFA 2004
* FIFA Street 2005
* FIFA World Cup 2002
* Fight Night 2004
* Fight Night Round 2
* Ford Mustang Racing
* Ford vs. Chevy
* Forza Motorsport
* Freedom Fighters
* Frogger
* Futurama
* Fuzion Frenzy
* Genma Onimusha
* Goblin Commander
* Grabbed by the Ghoulies
* Grand Theft Auto III
* Grand Theft Auto Vice City
* Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
* Gravity Games Bike: Street. Vert. Dirt.
* Grooverider: Slot Car Thunder
* Half-Life 2
* Halo
* Halo 2
* Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire
* Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone
* He-Man: Defender of Grayskull
* Hitman: Contracts
* House of the Dead 3
* IHRA Drag Racing 2005 Sportsman Edition
* IHRA Professional Drag Racing 2005
* Jade Empire
* James Bond 007: Nightfire
* Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
* Judge Dredd: Dredd vs. Death
* Jurassic Park Operation Genesis
* Kabuki Warrior
* Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer
* Kids Next Door: Operation VIDEOGAME
* kill.switch
* Legends of Wrestling
* Lemony Snicket A Series of Unfortunate Events
* Loons Fight for Fame
* Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
* Manhunt
* Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX 2
* Max Payne
* Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
* Medal of Honor 3 Rising Sun
* Medal of Honor Frontline
* Medal of Honor: European Assault
* Mega Man
* Metal Arms: Glitch in the System
* MicroMachines Odyssey
* Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing
* Monster Garage
* Mortal Kombat: Deception
* MTV Music Generator 3
* Murakumo
* MX World Tour - featuring Jamie Little
* Namco Museum X Next Generation
* NBA Live 2003
* NBA Live 2004
* Need For Speed: Underground 2
* NFL Blitz 2002
* NFL Blitz 20-03
* NFL Blitz 20-04
* NHL 2004
* NHL Hitz 20-03
* Ninja Gaiden
* Ninja Gaiden Black
* Outlaw Golf 2
* Outlaw Volleyball
* Pariah
* Phantom Crash
* Pinball Hall of Fame
* Pitfall: The Lost Expedition
* Predator
* Prince of Persia 4: The Sands of Time
* Pro Evolution Soccer 5
* Pro Race Driver
* PUMP IT UP
* Pure Pinball
* Puyo Puyo Fever
* Quantum Redshift
* Rayman Arena
* Raze's Hell
* Red Dead Revolver
* Red Faction II
* RedCard 20-03
* Robotech: Battle Cry
* Rocky: Legends
* Rogue Ops
* Rugby 2005
* Samurai Jack
* Samurai Warriors
* Scooby Doo: Night of 100 Frights
* Scrapland
* SeaWorld: Shamu's Deep Sea Adventures
* Sega GT 2002
* Shadow the Hedgehog
* Shellshock:Nam '67
* Sid Meier's Pirates!
* Simpson's Road Rage
* Simpsons: Hit and Run
* Sneakers
* Sniper Elite: Berlin 1945
* Soccer Slam
* Sonic Heroes
* Sonic Mega Collection
* Speed Kings
* Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy
* Splat Renegade Paintball
* SpongeBob Square Pants:Battle for Bikini Bottom
* Spy Hunter 2
* Spyro: A Hero's Tail
* SSX 3
* Stake
* Star Trek: Shattered Universe
* Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
* Star Wars: Clone Wars
* Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter
* Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic
* Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic 2
* Street Racing Syndicate
* Stubbs the Zombie: Rebel Without a Pulse
* Super Bubble Pop
* Super Monkey Ball DX
* SX Superstar
* Tecmo Classic Arcade
* Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
* Terminator : Dawn of Fate
* Test Drive: Eve of Destruction
* Tetris Worlds
* The Great Escape
* The Incredible Hulk
* The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction
* The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
* The Thing
* Thief: Deadly Shadows
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3
* Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
* Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
* Tony Hawk's Underground 2
* Tork
* Toxic Grind
* Ty The Tasmanian Tiger
* Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 2
* Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 3
* Urban Freestyle Soccer
* Vexx
* Volvo: Drive for Life
* World Series Baseball 2K
* Worms 4: Mayhem
* Worms Forts Under Siege
* WWE Raw 2
* XIII
* Yourself!Fitness

[JayPatel]

Q and A

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilityqa.htm

Every original Xbox game will be upscaled to 720p and 1080i, and will take advantage of Xbox 360’s anti-aliasing capabilities, delivering a picture that is clearer and crisper than anything available on Xbox.

[Jump]

Not a bad list but I'm not totally impressed that friggen Barbie Horse Adventure got priority for compatibility over even Doom and Jet Set Radio Future. Sega GT made the list at least.. not that I liked it much but I'm still hopeful that Jet Set will be on there one day.

[Corizzle]

Not a bad list but I'm not totally impressed that friggen Barbie Horse Adventure got priority for compatibility over even Doom and Jet Set Radio Future. Sega GT made the list at least.. not that I liked it much but I'm still hopeful that Jet Set will be on there one day.

What's even more surprising is why do 3 year old sports games get priority over Splinter Cell, probably the biggest name not on the list IMO.

Another thing is a lot of the games that are coming out wil the system and are sequals, the originals are unavailable. Cheap move by Microsoft I'm guessing. Amped, Top Spin, Project Gothem Racing all come to mind. DOA3 is the only one I see that is available even though the sequal is coming out soon

Also absent is every game that is being released on both XBOX and XBOX 360, which forces people to buy the $70 NHL 2k6 even though from what I've seen it is just a graphical upgrade over the $30 NHL 2k6. Same goes for Tony Hawk's American Wasteland

[JayPatel]

What's even more surprising is why do 3 year old sports games get priority over Splinter Cell, probably the biggest name not on the list IMO.

Another thing is a lot of the games that are coming out wil the system and are sequals, the originals are unavailable. Cheap move by Microsoft I'm guessing. Amped, Top Spin, Project Gothem Racing all come to mind. DOA3 is the only one I see that is available even though the sequal is coming out soon

Also absent is every game that is being released on both XBOX and XBOX 360, which forces people to buy the $70 NHL 2k6 even though from what I've seen it is just a graphical upgrade over the $30 NHL 2k6. Same goes for Tony Hawk's American Wasteland

American Wasteland is on the list for compatible titles. Its also mentioned in the Q&A as well. i think on a lot of these games they just lucked out that the emu's even worked on them and wasnt a case of picking a 3 year old sports game over something more recent.

[Moot]

Hmm...I hope Spiderman 2 works since I picked that up cheap at TRU a while ago. >:(

[bfurtado]

I was playing it today, and to be honest, was a little underwhelmed. I was looking forward to this machine but I just might wait and see what the PS3 or even the Revolution brings. It wasn't bad and was a step up but I guess we'd have to wait for its second or third generation games to truly see its potential. I played the King Kong game and watched a few in-game vids for NHL 2K6 and NBA 2K6 as well. I'm sure EA sports has a better line up. Still on the fence I guess.
Controller was NIIIIIICE though!

Brian

[sfu_lifer]

Not a bad list but I'm not totally impressed that friggen Barbie Horse Adventure got priority for compatibility over even Doom and Jet Set Radio Future. Sega GT made the list at least.. not that I liked it much but I'm still hopeful that Jet Set will be on there one day.
Hahaha. Barbie Horse Adventures is just so wrong title-wise.
Heck, the redneck Cabela titles also got some loving.

[Ghetto_Child]

Like someone else said earlier on this page, I think the reason some games were chosen over others is because of how the programming was done on the game. They specifically made sure to have an emulation of halo 1&2 because I think those were this console's biggest game. The rest were just fortunate to work and I'm pretty sure in the case of splinter cell, each one had a different engine and probably a unique one.

Here's something to notice, Metal Gear Solid: Substance was not created nor optimized for xbox in the first place. It was ported with added game features. Being that a type of emulation, notice they were not able to emulate it on the 360? I bet it crashed a lot for being emulated to run in an emulation of an emulator (yes 3 steps of emulation).

[Yesdear]

I wonder if they will leave the games in the original 4:3 ratio or stretch it to 16:9. Jade Empire was a game I always wanted to play on the original XBOX but it was only 4:3.

[Headhunter]

That's it for backwards compatibility?

[Corizzle]

That's it for backwards compatibility?

For now, supposedly they are going to work on some other games and there will be updates that might make other titles(Splinter Cell & Doom 3) work.

[Canadianpsycho]

I wonder if they will leave the games in the original 4:3 ratio or stretch it to 16:9. Jade Empire was a game I always wanted to play on the original XBOX but it was only 4:3.

Are you sure of that?

I remember playing it and it looked just fine on my widescreen DLP. Might not be officially supported, but it looked OK to me.

[Yesdear]

Are you sure of that?

I remember playing it and it looked just fine on my widescreen DLP. Might not be officially supported, but it looked OK to me.

I had a 50" Widescreen at the time and it did not look good stretched to me (IMHO). I was too paranoid to play it in it's native 4:3 aspect because of the black bars on either side. I have retuned the 50" for a smaller tube TV (still widescreen) so it may be fine on the 360.

[bleeet]

does anyone in toronto happen to know what stores will be open at midnight on lauch day?

i was reading the todays torontostar and it metioned that there will be a launch "party" and that a few stores will be open at midnight but it failed to mention what stores (i am hoping futureshop will :cheesygri )

[P__S__2]

does anyone in toronto happen to know what stores will be open at midnight on lauch day?

i was reading the todays torontostar and it metioned that there will be a launch "party" and that a few stores will be open at midnight but it failed to mention what stores (i am hoping futureshop will :cheesygri )


I think it was futureshop..........?

[dougi3000]

Midnight launches

Vancouver:
FutureShop 2929 Barnet Highway, Coq
Best Buy 2220 Cambie St, Van

Edmonton
Futureshop Edmonton South 3451 Calgary Trail South

Ontario
EB Games - Yorkdale 3401 Dufferin St, North York, On
Best Buy - Heartland 6075 Mavis Rd, Mississauga, On
Blockbuster 1717 Avenue Road, Toronto, ON

Montreal
Toys R Us (ANjous) 7200 Boul Louis-H-Lafontain, ANjous, QC

[bleeet]

darn futureshop is not doing one here i guess

but its kind of surprising that blockbuster is having one

[Fantaz]

Instruction manual .pdf:

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=581228&native_or_pdf=pdf

[dvdvideo]

Anyone have any idea when the futureshop.ca units will ship? Any chance they will ship early so we can actually have them on launch day?

[alkaholikc]

Anyone managed to remove the face plate?

[JayPatel]

http://www.gamersreports.com/index.php?sid=4422

futureshops allocation lists.

[Yesdear]

Anyone who pre-ordered a 360 at EB Games be prepared to get angry. I went in today to pay the balance off my 360 and ask about protection plans ($50.00 for one year by the way) when a staff member asked me if I received a call from them. When I asked a call about what the guy answered EB is calling people to tell them they will not be able to fulfill all pre-orders at launch. EB's stock allotment was cut in half apparently.

Now I pre-ordered August 8th and I didn't get an overwhelming feeling of confidence from them that I will have a 360 to pick up. I can't see too many people pre-ordering much earlier then August but who knows.

[Fantaz]

Anyone managed to remove the face plate?

Yeah, I had the chance to and it's quite easy. I also talked to them and they said that they're thinking about launching a service later on where they can custom make your faceplate online and send it to you. Pretty cool and I might order one later when I might actually get the system.

[barrist]

Anyone who pre-ordered a 360 at EB Games be prepared to get angry. I went in today to pay the balance off my 360 and ask about protection plans ($50.00 for one year by the way) when a staff member asked me if I received a call from them. When I asked a call about what the guy answered EB is calling people to tell them they will not be able to fulfill all pre-orders at launch. EB's stock allotment was cut in half apparently.

Now I pre-ordered August 8th and I didn't get an overwhelming feeling of confidence from them that I will have a 360 to pick up. I can't see too many people pre-ordering much earlier then August but who knows.

this is ridiculous.... i better get mine by x-mas

i may just refund my preorder and put it towards a PS3

[barrist]

response from eb:

"
Thank you for contacting EBgames.com.

We were just given the quantities for our first shipment from our
corporate office and they were significantly lower than we had
projected. We are all very disappointed that we are not able to offer
more hardware systems at launch. Stores have been instructed to notify
you when specific information is available concerning the date of
availability for your pre-order. We are working closely with Microsoft
to get as many systems as we can as quickly as possible.
"

[jerryhussain]

Any local (Toronto) FS, BB, EB or Walmart have a 360 kiosk up?

[Tshute]

Anyone who pre-ordered a 360 at EB Games be prepared to get angry. I went in today to pay the balance off my 360 and ask about protection plans ($50.00 for one year by the way) when a staff member asked me if I received a call from them. When I asked a call about what the guy answered EB is calling people to tell them they will not be able to fulfill all pre-orders at launch. EB's stock allotment was cut in half apparently.

Now I pre-ordered August 8th and I didn't get an overwhelming feeling of confidence from them that I will have a 360 to pick up. I can't see too many people pre-ordering much earlier then August but who knows.
Just more evidence that Microsoft rushed 360 way too much. It's too little, too early, in my opinion.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

PS3 won't be out until next christmas. Spring in Japan, but no way it will be ready in the next 12 months.

Best idea? Keep your eye out for a 360 whenever you go to the mall, and pick one up as soon as you find one.

[JayPatel]

too lazy to check the thread, anyone see the new logitech remote for the X360

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=11250

http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/9736.jpg

[CSR]

[QUOTE=Tshute]Just more evidence that Microsoft rushed 360 way too much. It's too little, too early, in my opinion.[/QUOTE
You can never be too early for Christmas.

[temporalillusion]

Just more evidence that Microsoft rushed 360 way too much. It's too little, too early, in my opinion.

Maybe, though it's more a result of how they're rolling it out across the world. Rather than staging the rollout across areas (NA first, Japan next, then Europe etc) and having people in one zone happy and the rest mad, they decided to give everyone a chance and "distribute the bad feelings across a larger area".

[mushroomcheese]

Any local (Toronto) FS, BB, EB or Walmart have a 360 kiosk up?

Other RFDers have said there is one at the Futureshop in Richmond Hill :)

[JayPatel]

Reviews are lifted. Apparently 1Up likes to give 7's

Kameo - 7.0 :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145712&did=1

NBA2K6 - 7.0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145672&did=1

AMPED3 - 7.0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145673&did=1

[Geologic]

Reviews are lifted. Apparently 1Up likes to give 7's

Kameo - 7.0 :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145712&did=1

NBA2K6 - 7.0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145672&did=1

AMPED3 - 7.0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145673&did=1

I really wasn't expecting these games to be any good. maybe NBA2k6 but thats about it. *shrugs.

[Yesdear]

I read the review but if there are any 360 winners here I would be interested in hearing your review of Kameo.

[barrist]

ign has reviews up
im a bit disappointed by what they're saying about nba 2k6

[barrist]

PS3 won't be out until next christmas. Spring in Japan, but no way it will be ready in the next 12 months.

Best idea? Keep your eye out for a 360 whenever you go to the mall, and pick one up as soon as you find one.
i thought there was a chance of a worldwide launch in the spring like the 360?

[ledorky]

I've noticed 1Up seems to be quite pro-PS3 lately in terms of who they give their blessings to.

[ledorky]

i thought there was a chance of a worldwide launch in the spring like the 360?
No way they can launch in spring worldwide. They don't have the hardware units to support this and even more importantly, they will not have the software support to do this. No games will be ready for the Spring '06 as the PS3 has been giving devs many problems.

[barrist]

No way they can launch in spring worldwide. They don't have the hardware units to support this and even more importantly, they will not have the software support to do this. No games will be ready for the Spring '06 as the PS3 has been giving devs many problems.

that sucks.

just called EB, they said they were gonna call everyone on their list to tell them they DONT have a date for when the second shipment comes in even though a couple weeks ago they guaranteed it before christmas.

[Kurtz7834]

Anyone who pre-ordered a 360 at EB Games be prepared to get angry. I went in today to pay the balance off my 360 and ask about protection plans ($50.00 for one year by the way) when a staff member asked me if I received a call from them. When I asked a call about what the guy answered EB is calling people to tell them they will not be able to fulfill all pre-orders at launch. EB's stock allotment was cut in half apparently.

Now I pre-ordered August 8th and I didn't get an overwhelming feeling of confidence from them that I will have a 360 to pick up. I can't see too many people pre-ordering much earlier then August but who knows.

My *GUESS* is that FS /BB sort of got the pig's share of the allotment. I read in the business news that they were expected to presell 30-50% (forgot the exact figure) of 360s.

Sucks for EB customers though.

[Kurtz7834]

Reviews are lifted. Apparently 1Up likes to give 7's

Kameo - 7.0 :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145712&did=1

NBA2K6 - 7.0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145672&did=1

AMPED3 - 7.0
http://xbox360.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145673&did=1

The Xbox1 launch games got a similar lukewarm reception with one obvious exception - Halo - which obviously became a system seller.

It's very clear MS rushed the 360 to market both to cash in on Xmas 2005 and to try and stick it to Sony.I predict lukewarm games until spring of 2006. At least Oblivion wasn't rushed to market in a crappy state.

[barrist]

My *GUESS* is that FS /BB sort of got the pig's share of the allotment. I read in the business news that they were expected to presell 30-50% (forgot the exact figure) of 360s.

Sucks for EB customers though.

maybe microsoft shouldn't have given away so many in softdrinkcontests, they would have enough to fill preorders of people actually paying for their products. :evil:

[bleeet]

Any local (Toronto) FS, BB, EB or Walmart have a 360 kiosk up?
eb at eaton centre

[bleeet]

My *GUESS* is that FS /BB sort of got the pig's share of the allotment. I read in the business news that they were expected to presell 30-50% (forgot the exact figure) of 360s.

Sucks for EB customers though. yea it does suck for EB considering they are listed as one of the "sponsors" as well for the launch

[Kurtz7834]

Wow, I know it's only one review, but not a very favourable review of Kameo. Many people were previously saying this was the launch title to get.

Sounds like a half assed Ratchet and Clank clone from the review. Granted, I haven't played the game though.

I was playing Ratchet N Clank: Going Commando last night and it's a lot of fun, although the graphics show age now. Would love to play a beautiful next gen platformer, but I guess Kameo's not it.

[actyper]

Check out the IGN review, they gave it a better score. Also Madden 06 and nba2k6

[barrist]

Check out the IGN review, they gave it a better score. Also Madden 06 and nba2k6


and gamespot, gave kameo 8.7

[Fantaz]

PGR3 got 10/10!

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145713&did=1

Pretty good for a launch title! I guess we all know what game to get now.

[bleeet]

according to this site there is a eb in toronto that has got their shipment in

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000460067927

[Tshute]

I am contemplating buying a 360 now... though I really do not want to spend the money. :(

If Perfect Dark Zero turns out to actually be good, I might think about it. If it's nothing special, I will wait a couple years (as long as the third xbox doesn't come out before 2 years from now, which going by current trends in system life spans, unfortunately might happen) and buy it used.

[Fantaz]

Think about it, when ever something new comes out the prices of all the old games/systems gets much lower. So why not just grab lots great old games you've never played for the price of 1 new Xbox 360 game? So just wait a year or two for the prices to drop on Xbox 360 games and then buy the system.

[Headhunter]

eb at eaton centre
Apparently it's down now. :(

[bmaz]

maybe microsoft shouldn't have given away so many in softdrinkcontests, they would have enough to fill preorders of people actually paying for their products. :evil:
Microsoft didn't give away any xbox 360s, Pepsi did.
And I am pretty sure Pepsi paid Microsoft for them.

[barrist]

Microsoft didn't give away any xbox 360s, Pepsi did.
And I am pretty sure Pepsi paid Microsoft for them.

Okay then, so maybe Microsoft shouldn't have sold them to Pepsi to give away; they shoulda kept them to fill preorders of people who are paying for it, you know the people that actually want it and arent winning them to sell them for $1000.

[StrayB]

PGR3 got 10/10!

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145713&did=1

Pretty good for a launch title! I guess we all know what game to get now.


8.8/10 @ IGN. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667076p1.html)

What really makes this game next-generation? It's not really the gameplay. It's the graphics and presentation. Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!

Aw, I don't have a HDTV set. Poo cakes. :(

[sonick]

they practically orgasmed at the graphics and only got 9.0 for that section?

[autorf]

Anyone who pre-ordered a 360 at EB Games be prepared to get angry. I went in today to pay the balance off my 360 and ask about protection plans ($50.00 for one year by the way) when a staff member asked me if I received a call from them. When I asked a call about what the guy answered EB is calling people to tell them they will not be able to fulfill all pre-orders at launch. EB's stock allotment was cut in half apparently.

Now I pre-ordered August 8th and I didn't get an overwhelming feeling of confidence from them that I will have a 360 to pick up. I can't see too many people pre-ordering much earlier then August but who knows.

Thats upsetting. I pre-ordered Sept 17 and was told I was 37 on the their list. I had doubts that I would get one launch day, but with the whole 10/20 deal I was able to pay off most of it off so I didn't mind if I had to wait. Surpirse when I get a call this today saying I have a xbox 360 guaranteed on the 22nd and they are having a "special individual shopping experience" before store opens, basically you and the staff of EB pusing all their extras on you. But he said there are a bunch of extras so kinda looking forward to it.

[Fantaz]

8.8/10 @ IGN. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667076p1.html)

Yeah, I usually tend to agree with IGN. Looks like nothing at launch is going to go over 8-9. Yet Gears of War is just around the corner. ;)

[Geologic]

I pre-ordered at the end of OCT from EB with the 10/20 deal and knew I wouldn't be getting one on launch.

You feel bad for em cause they have no idea how many they are getting and how fast after the first shipment for the NOV 22 launch date. They already sold all their first day consoles and pretty much kept selling pre-orders. That's pretty much where I stopped feeling bad for them, they continued to sell pre-orders for the 360 until they had about 100-150 extra orders on top of the first day pre-orders. Atleast offer some kind of warning u damn minimum waged peasants!!

[Yesdear]

Surpirse when I get a call this today saying I have a xbox 360 guaranteed on the 22nd and they are having a "special individual shopping experience" before store opens, basically you and the staff of EB pusing all their extras on you. But he said there are a bunch of extras so kinda looking forward to it.

I have yet to get this call. What EB location did you order from?

[Geologic]

I have yet to get this call. What EB location did you order from?

the one where I pre-ordered is doing that as well. I'm assuming that all eb stores are doing the same. If you didn't get the call then you're not getting one on launch day. I suggest calling them to find out.

[autorf]

I have yet to get this call. What EB location did you order from?

Centre Point Mall (Yonge & Steeles)

[poppa]

Doesn't really matter what the ratings are, you can bet the franchises with a solid reputation to sell million plus. Luig's Mansion sold over a million units :lol: .

[hyperion]

Anyone know why I can't "stream" music off my iriver 795 on the xbox360? I plugged it in with the USB cable into the xbox, the mp3 player's screen says "USB connection" yet the xbox doesn't seem to recognize it.

[JayPatel]

NHL 2K6 - 7.5

If you're planning on picking up 2K Sports' X360 hockey title you're going to need a television that supports 720p. If you're not running this game in HD, you're not going to see the visual modifications that were implemented in the next generation version. We tried out the X360 2K6 on an Optoma H78DC3, a 720p native projector, and it looked decent. It didn't look great, but it was undeniably a step up from the Xbox. However, when we compared the titles in 4:3 and with the X360 switched to TV mode on its composite cables, the games looked almost identical. Though the visual edge was still with the X360 the whole way through, effects like the reflections and skate cuts on the ice's surface and ice spray effects were muddled and often lost at the lower resolutions. As seems to be the case with most of the X360 games so far, you're just not seeing how the game really looks. For those of you sitting around content with your 4:3 CRT TVs, it's a much bigger difference than you might expect.


http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667300p1.html

Tony Hawks American Wasteland - 8.3

The only real upgrades you'll see in the game at all, content or graphics-wise, are better textures, a subtle bit of normal mapping and a tad bit better lighting effects. The most obvious difference is the resolution of the textures. We're not saying they're as detailed as some other games we'll see on the system, but there's a pretty reasonable difference between, say, the original Xbox and Xbox 360 versions. The street texture for one looks quite a bit better, and you'll notice that ramps and sidewalks have more defined cracks and joints. The subtle bit of normal mapping is best seen on the skaters, where you can make out pants pockets, shirt wrinkles and those sorts of details. Again, it's subtle, but it's nice. You'll also see what looks like a bit of normal mapping happening on some of the ramps and such in the game, like bricks for instance, but the effect is so minor that it's hard to make out whether it's an advanced lighting technique or just nice texture work.


http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667130p1.html

GUN - 7.9
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667179p4.html

Project Gotham Racing 3 - 8.8
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667076p1.html

[puff_daddy_58_99]

Most of the IGN reviews seem pretty lackluster, whereas other sites (1up) seem pretty stoked about the games. I'll wait to read some personal reviews from people who have played the games, like at gamefaqs.

PGR3 would certainly be #1 on my list though. If I can't get a 360 ond ay 1, i'll just have NFSMW to hold me over.

[jerryhussain]

Kojima:I could have done MGS4 on Xbox 360 (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145585&did=1) (Video)

PS3/MGS fanboys: waaaaaa ! :lol:

[Moot]

I am so jealous of everyone who has a 360 in their possession. >:(

[ledorky]

I signed up for Xbox Live. The only download I see are Amped, COD2, the ipod support. Anandtech mentioned the free download of Kameo. I don't see it.
Can anyone else verify?

[Fantaz]

Kojima:I could have done MGS4 on Xbox 360 (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145585&did=1) (Video)

PS3/MGS fanboys: waaaaaa ! :lol:

Lies!! :razz:

[ledorky]

Lies!! :razz:
Haha you wish. the Cell was originally an excuse to have a bare minimum GPU in the PS3 since the Cell is capable of doing major graphics calculation work thanks to the 8 DSP - which BTW, one is reserved, one is assumed disabled or chip yield so only 6 working cores to be programmed for. But it turned out it wasn't good enough hence they tacked on the nvidia chip near the latter half of the dev cycle.
PS3 still sucks doing normal work versus the 360 (3 cores of the 360 vs 1). PS3 devs have been bitching about this ... until the PS3 library gets optimized, you better get used to it.

[Moot]

Anandtech takes the XBOX 360 apart:

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2610

[Fantaz]

Haha you wish. the Cell was originally an excuse to have a bare minimum GPU in the PS3 since the Cell is capable of doing major graphics calculation work thanks to the 8 DSP - which BTW, one is reserved, one is assumed disabled or chip yield so only 6 working cores to be programmed for. But it turned out it wasn't good enough hence they tacked on the nvidia chip near the latter half of the dev cycle.
PS3 still sucks doing normal work versus the 360 (3 cores of the 360 vs 1). PS3 devs have been bitching about this ... until the PS3 library gets optimized, you better get used to it.

It's just going to take a while before devs learn how to manage and utilize all those threads they have available with Cell. The GPU that they have on there is mighty and perfectly suited for any next-gen task set out for them. Even that the two next-gen consoles aren’t separated by much in terms of sheer graphical power and the insanity that comes with making games for PS3, I still think there's going to be a much better lineup of titles in the future for Sony's platform.

[JayPatel]

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/microsoft/xbox360/hd_out.jpg

hmmm, standard Serial ATA connections. :)

[ledorky]

It's just going to take a while before devs learn how to manage and utilize all those threads they have available with Cell. The GPU that they have on there is mighty and perfectly suited for any next-gen task set out for them. Even that the two next-gen consoles aren’t separated by much in terms of sheer graphical power and the insanity that comes with making games for PS3, I still think there's going to be a much better lineup of titles in the future for Sony's platform.
Oh no doubt. It's just people thinking MGS4/Killzone2 level games are in for a sad dose of reality when the PS3 launches.
And the sad thing to all this is, the PS3 is the target platform of most of the big guns since it's terribly difficult to go from PS3-> Xbox 360 while 360->PS3 is much easier. So 360 games will likely not look as good when the 2nd/3rd gen hits since they will be mostly ports ...

[Razor Leaf]

[IMG]
hmmm, standard Serial ATA connections. :)
Interesting! Have you tried plugging it into a PC to see how it’s formatted? I’m too chicken to take mine apart.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just read the AnandTech article and saw that the picture is from there.

[Fantaz]

Call of Duty 2 - 9.0
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667388p1.html

Currently the highest scored launch title for X360 so far from IGN.

I really have a feeling that Condemned is going to turn out to be the best launch title. Time will only tell.

[actyper]

I played COD2, and it looked amazing. Was not on my list to buys, but I think it is now.

2 more reviews

Need for Speed Most Wanted - 8.0 (Better than I thought)
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667757p1.html

Fifa 2006 - 6.9 (terrible)
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667601p1.html

[Fantaz]

Fox News says you should not buy an Xbox 360!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175860,00.html

But that's the part of the problem. To get the full Xbox 360 experience, you need to spend hundreds — perhaps thousands — of dollars. All that for a machine that won't play the hot games this season, like "Star Wars: Battlefront II" and "50 Cent: Bulletproof."

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/6539/oreilly1az.jpg

[Moot]

Fox News says you should not buy an Xbox 360!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175860,00.html



http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/6539/oreilly1az.jpg

Wow, Sony must have paid Fox some big $'s to put that crap up. :rolleyes:

[masterballer]

honestly, who watches FOX news? (other than hill-bilies who live in RED states of america)

BTW that guy on fox news is a jack ass, he always argues with people and goes against what other people think just to get some attention.

[friesenth]

Condemned Review (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667802p1.html) 8.7 from IGN

[friesenth]

Fox News says you should not buy an Xbox 360!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175860,00.html



http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/6539/oreilly1az.jpg


"50 Cent Bulletproof" I can't be the only one that doesn't give two shits about this game.

[Canadianpsycho]

Wow, Sony must have paid Fox some big $'s to put that crap up. :rolleyes:


Ah, but what if you already have a home theatre setup and HDTV? Then you're not spending thousands.

I am prepared :D

[jerryhussain]

Someone is compiling a list of launch titles and their scores on b3d:

DREAMCAST
Total Average: 7.40
Gamespot Average: 7.23

PS2
Total Average: 7.15
Gamespot Average: 7.25

GAMECUBE
Total Average: 7.23
Gamespot Average: 7.19

XBOX
Total Average: 7.40
Gamespot Average: 7.25

XBOX 360
Total Average: 8.19
Gamespot Average: 8.55

[othy]

"50 Cent Bulletproof" I can't be the only one that doesn't give two shits about this game.

I'm with you there.. Are his 15 minutes almost up? Come on crips, bloods, anybody! One more shot's the charm..

[StrayB]

Someone is compiling a list of launch titles and their scores on b3d:

DREAMCAST
Total Average: 7.40
Gamespot Average: 7.23

PS2
Total Average: 7.15
Gamespot Average: 7.25

GAMECUBE
Total Average: 7.23
Gamespot Average: 7.19

XBOX
Total Average: 7.40
Gamespot Average: 7.25

XBOX 360
Total Average: 8.19
Gamespot Average: 8.55


Hmm, I figured the DC would've had a better average. How about listing the # of 'A' ranked titles available @ launch for those systems?

[Kurtz7834]

Of the people who are getting the 360 at launch, how many of you have an HDTV setup? I don't and I wonder if the graphical upgrades will be that noticable over the Xbox1 games.

[StrayB]

I don't have a HDTV set either.... so it's kinda a bummer to read all those reviews that state the graphical leap between gens isn't that noticeable on a standard set. I still intend to get PGR3 at launch, though.

[Moot]

Ah, but what if you already have a home theatre setup and HDTV? Then you're not spending thousands.

I am prepared :D

So am I. ;) :cheesygri

[dougi3000]

I wonder if there is anything new at the xbox thing in Vancouver again.

[sfu_lifer]

I don't have a HDTV set either.... so it's kinda a bummer to read all those reviews that state the graphical leap between gens isn't that noticeable on a standard set. I still intend to get PGR3 at launch, though.
I call BS on those folks. I'm playing the 360 on a normal TV, even I can notice Halo 2 looking nicer under emulation. Plugged it in using my normal Xbox a bit later just to make sure I wasn't imagining things. A higher poly model just doesn't magically lose textures and get worse looking on a normal TV. It still looks fantastic.
You will lose some clarity but it's nowhere near as bad.

IMO, HD gaming is not required for the 360.

[JayPatel]

NBA Live Gets Owned at IGN - 5.9
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667817p1.html

November 17, 2005 - Kwame Brown in a box. That pretty much sums up Live 360, a game that might have the look of a #1 pick, but just doesn't have what it really takes to be a champion. This is a game that has seen the most disappointing, perplexing transformation from current to next gen, as EA Sports inexplicably decided to take out everything that made the Live series a million seller in favor of sweat and midgets.

Forget Live 360, this is more like Live 180.

Dynasty mode...gone. Slam Dunk Contest...cut. Superstar moves...bye-bye. Sure, the game looks amazing and the player models are the best of anything currently on the market, but do you buy a game to look at it or play it? By taking so much out of the game (arguably its three most popular features) EA's not pushing the series forward, it's taking a giant leap back, and in the end trading gameplay for graphics works about as well as trading Shaq to keep Kobe, it's just not a smart decision. In the long run, it's the gamers who pay the ultimate price.

[Canadianpsycho]

I call BS on those folks. I'm playing the 360 on a normal TV, even I can notice Halo 2 looking nicer under emulation. Plugged it in using my normal Xbox a bit later just to make sure I wasn't imagining things. A higher poly model just doesn't magically lose textures and get worse looking on a normal TV. It still looks fantastic.
You will lose some clarity but it's nowhere near as bad.

IMO, HD gaming is not required for the 360.

Sorry, but high res gaming is high res gaming.

The differences are going to be huge. Especially once more optimized games come along.

A game at 640x480 vs a game at 1280x720 or 1920x1080 is a huge difference in picture clarity and quality.

I assure you that the gameplay won't suffer but the IQ will. Definitely.

[Yesdear]

Thats upsetting. I pre-ordered Sept 17 and was told I was 37 on the their list. I had doubts that I would get one launch day, but with the whole 10/20 deal I was able to pay off most of it off so I didn't mind if I had to wait. Surpirse when I get a call this today saying I have a xbox 360 guaranteed on the 22nd and they are having a "special individual shopping experience" before store opens, basically you and the staff of EB pusing all their extras on you. But he said there are a bunch of extras so kinda looking forward to it.

Just got my call this evening that my system is ready for pickup on the 22nd. They mentioned the same shopping experience but it was only open to 20 people that they picked randomly and my name was not drawn. I will have to wait until I finish work anyway since they are not doing the midnight thing. The whole experience has turned me off EB to be honest. I bought into the pre-order hype but it almost didn't make a difference. The call was all, congratulations! We will be able to guarantee you a 360. Well, I thought that was what the pre-order was for.

[sfu_lifer]

Sorry, but high res gaming is high res gaming.

The differences are going to be huge. Especially once more optimized games come along.

A game at 640x480 vs a game at 1280x720 or 1920x1080 is a huge difference in picture clarity and quality.

I assure you that the gameplay won't suffer but the IQ will. Definitely.
I agree with you but to say (not you but I've been reading from others in other forums) that SD is crap and useless is untrue.
What you get with HD is clarity. You can still enjoy SD gaming for those without the dough to upgrade :)

[grego9198]

Just got my call this evening that my system is ready for pickup on the 22nd. They mentioned the same shopping experience but it was only open to 20 people that they picked randomly and my name was not drawn. I will have to wait until I finish work anyway since they are not doing the midnight thing. The whole experience has turned me off EB to be honest. I bought into the pre-order hype but it almost didn't make a difference. The call was all, congratulations! We will have be able to guarantee you a 360. Well, I thought that was what the pre-order was for.

They're trying to make you feel special that you actually got one from them. I don't like their policy about not selling games before launch, I say if I have the money and the street date is past, just sell me the damn game! I don't understand these retailers, I want to give you money for items you have...

[jerryhussain]

I call BS on those folks. I'm playing the 360 on a normal TV, even I can notice Halo 2 looking nicer under emulation. Plugged it in using my normal Xbox a bit later just to make sure I wasn't imagining things. A higher poly model just doesn't magically lose textures and get worse looking on a normal TV. It still looks fantastic.
You will lose some clarity but it's nowhere near as bad.

IMO, HD gaming is not required for the 360.
I'm also willing to bet BS on that.

Kameo SDTV vs HDTV comparision
http://xs55.xs.to/pics/05465/kside.jpg

The difference is noticeable but it isnt as bad as they are making it out to be.

480p vs 720p (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690/p-2.html)

[Supra_KL]

NBA Live Gets Owned at IGN - 5.9
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/667/667817p1.html

lol...
NBA Live 06 Review
You think the Atlanta Hawks lack depth? Look at Live

NBA 2K6 7.8
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/666/666970p4.html

[ChinpokoMon]

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2016/t3oy.gif

[sfu_lifer]

Is this for Toys R Us CA or US?
Well if folks don't think there is a shortage, this is proof :P

[ChinpokoMon]

Is this for Toys R Us CA or US?

Canada. From yesterday's Edmonton Journal.

[jezmo]

Makes you wonder how many places like Walmart are going to get?I know people are hoping they will have a lot of them but I'm thinking that might not be the case.

[Canadianpsycho]

I'm also willing to bet BS on that.

Kameo SDTV vs HDTV comparision
http://xs55.xs.to/pics/05465/kside.jpg

I'm going to have to dispute that pic a little... First of all, the quality of that picture is pretty bad. Not to mention its too far away, and too small. It also looks like it is displayed on a PC Monitor rather then a TV.

Regardless, you can still see a difference in IQ... THe water, that larger creature on the left both look better on the right (which I'm hoping and assuming is the HD pic, otherwise I'll feel dumb)

The difference is noticeable but it isnt as bad as they are making it out to be.

480p vs 720p (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690/p-2.html)

That's a little better... The 720p looks a lot better then the 480p to my eyes. I don't think using a monitor is a fair test though... 20" display vs. anywhere from 42"-100" dispplay on a HDTV... Just imagine the difference when you look at these side by side on something thats going to have an exponentialy larger surface area?

[Yesdear]

Makes you wonder how many places like Walmart are going to get?I know people are hoping they will have a lot of them but I'm thinking that might not be the case.

Wal-Mart is a super power (and I am not saying that like it's a good thing) and will be sure to get a good supply. Their business practice, size and influence on other companies should insure this.

[sfu_lifer]

I'm going to have to dispute that pic a little... First of all, the quality of that picture is pretty bad. Not to mention its too far away, and too small. It also looks like it is displayed on a PC Monitor rather then a TV.

Regardless, you can still see a difference in IQ... THe water, that larger creature on the left both look better on the right (which I'm hoping and assuming is the HD pic, otherwise I'll feel dumb)



That's a little better... The 720p looks a lot better then the 480p to my eyes. I don't think using a monitor is a fair test though... 20" display vs. anywhere from 42"-100" dispplay on a HDTV... Just imagine the difference when you look at these side by side on something thats going to have an exponentialy larger surface area?
Yes but how many people own 42" sets?
I think 30" is probably the average size nowadays.

[Canadianpsycho]

Yes but how many people own 42" sets?
I think 30" is probably the average size nowadays.

Ah, but does that make it right? Its like people running a 20" and up widescreen LCDs with onboard graphics... Sure, it works, but it sure seems silly paying more for your display then your PC.

Why spend >$600 on a 360 if you only have a 30" TV? Pepsi winners notwithstanding, of course.

The whole point of buying a nextgen console at launch is to be able to enjoy nextgen graphics and features. Typically launch titles aren't what hook you.

[sfu_lifer]

Ah, but does that make it right? Its like people running a 20" and up widescreen LCDs with onboard graphics... Sure, it works, but it sure seems silly paying more for your display then your PC.

Why spend >$600 on a 360 if you only have a 30" TV? Pepsi winners notwithstanding, of course.

The whole point of buying a nextgen console at launch is to be able to enjoy nextgen graphics and features. Typically launch titles aren't what hook you.
But the point is the next gen will still show up on an SDTV (albeit less clear). The framerates and increased graphical features will still be there to enjoy.

[actyper]

I'm going to have to dispute that pic a little... First of all, the quality of that picture is pretty bad. Not to mention its too far away, and too small. It also looks like it is displayed on a PC Monitor rather then a TV.

Regardless, you can still see a difference in IQ... THe water, that larger creature on the left both look better on the right (which I'm hoping and assuming is the HD pic, otherwise I'll feel dumb)



That's a little better... The 720p looks a lot better then the 480p to my eyes. I don't think using a monitor is a fair test though... 20" display vs. anywhere from 42"-100" dispplay on a HDTV... Just imagine the difference when you look at these side by side on something thats going to have an exponentialy larger surface area?


I agree, the difference is significant IMO.

BTW, what are people doing for their wireless setup? Buying the MSoft one or just going with a 3rd party wireless adapter? USB or ethernet? Any confirmed adapters working yet?

[Canadianpsycho]

I agree, the difference is significant IMO.

BTW, what are people doing for their wireless setup? Buying the MSoft one or just going with a 3rd party wireless adapter? USB or ethernet? Any confirmed adapters working yet?


When I eventually get mine, I'll be using the D-Link bridge I've been using for my Xbox. I'm beginning to regret not running cable to my basement. Even with the "trubo" mode of D-Link's wireless connection I find it painfully slow when transferring large files. Its also not very stable...

I'm worried about the frequency of the wireless controllers and the frequency of the bridge/router. The faster conneciton speed hogs a few channels so I may have to change the speed for stability. I ended up swapping out my 2.4 Gig Panasonic cordless phones for a 5.8 GHz to help with frequency conflicts.

[kgeorge78]

I'm also willing to bet BS on that.

Kameo SDTV vs HDTV comparision
http://xs55.xs.to/pics/05465/kside.jpg

The difference is noticeable but it isnt as bad as they are making it out to be.

480p vs 720p (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690/p-2.html)


Yes it is MUCH different.

Play a xbox 1 game @ 720p (NBA live 06)

The graphics are amazing and it's hard to believe that it's an xbox 1 game.

720p and 1080i is a HUGE graphical diff from 480p (Svideo).

Don't even think about getting a 360 unless u own a hidef TV. I saw 480 xbox360 playing @ futureshop (They didnt know how to get it to hidef) and it looked EXACTLY like xbox.

For me, I'm PREPARED.

71" SAMSUNG DLP 1080p to be delivered this afternoon.

HOLLER!!!!!!!!

[sonick]

720p and 1080i is a HUGE graphical diff from 480p (Svideo). s-video is not 480p.

[kgeorge78]

Many High Quaily SVideo Cables will provide a progressive scan signal on newer television sets.

[bleeet]

damn fututreshop won't open at midnight

remember those of you that pre-ordered from futureshop to have those xbox360 hats with you or (according to them) you will not get "first graps" without it even if you have the pre-order receipt

[actyper]

damn fututreshop won't open at midnight

remember those of you that pre-ordered from futureshop to have those xbox360 hats with you or (according to them) you will not get "first graps"

Anybody who preordered online FS/BB talk to cs to see when they actually ship? They better ship monday and be here for tues or else I'm going to be pissed.

[Kurtz7834]

Anybody who preordered online FS/BB talk to cs to see when they actually ship? They better ship monday and be here for tues or else I'm going to be pissed.

Some RFDer asked and FS said they will be receiving and shipping them out on Nov. 22nd and presumably not earlier. I seriously doubt they'll get stock to ship out all online preorders immediately on the 22nd though. As for who gets it first, hopefully they ship them out on a first ordered, first served basis.

[sonick]

Many High Quaily SVideo Cables will provide a progressive scan signal on newer television sets.
no, it won't. S-video is not designed for progressive scan, and is physically impossible to pass a progressive scan signal.

S-video is purely 480i, if you see 480p on your set, its the display device that is upconverting it to 480p FROM a 480i signal from S-video.

Which means if you are using an S-video cable right now thinking you're watching it in Progressive Scan, you've just been watching a standard 480i image this whole time, but line-doubled/upconverted to 480p, thus lower quality than true 480p.

480p requires three seperate signals, one for Luminance and Sync (Y), one for Red (R-Y), and one for Blue (B-Y). This is delivered easily with the three cables in COMPONENT VIDEO.

S-video only has two signals, Y and C, Luminance, and Color, thus making it impossible to pass a true 480p progressive signal.

So i hope you're not planning on using S-video with that fancy new Samsung DLP, coz you'd just be wasting your money if you're not gonna use it to its full potential.

[Kurtz7834]

Yes it is MUCH different.

Play a xbox 1 game @ 720p (NBA live 06)

The graphics are amazing and it's hard to believe that it's an xbox 1 game.

720p and 1080i is a HUGE graphical diff from 480p (Svideo).

Don't even think about getting a 360 unless u own a hidef TV. I saw 480 xbox360 playing @ futureshop (They didnt know how to get it to hidef) and it looked EXACTLY like xbox.

For me, I'm PREPARED.

71" SAMSUNG DLP 1080p to be delivered this afternoon.

HOLLER!!!!!!!!

Man, that is a $%#!ing huge TV. I'm still waiting for a general price drop on HDTV equipment.

[sfu_lifer]

I'm playing the NBA LIve demo right now on my 360, there's no way in hell you can mistake it for an Xbox 1 game.
As many have said here, the difference is in clarity. You still see all the shader effects, the lighting, higher poly count, etc.
BTW, NBA Live is a true stunner.

[poppa]

Yes it is MUCH different.

Play a xbox 1 game @ 720p (NBA live 06)

The graphics are amazing and it's hard to believe that it's an xbox 1 game.

720p and 1080i is a HUGE graphical diff from 480p (Svideo).

Don't even think about getting a 360 unless u own a hidef TV. I saw 480 xbox360 playing @ futureshop (They didnt know how to get it to hidef) and it looked EXACTLY like xbox.

For me, I'm PREPARED.

71" SAMSUNG DLP 1080p to be delivered this afternoon.

HOLLER!!!!!!!!


HOW MUCH DID THAT 71'' BEAST COST YOU!?

[sleepyguy]

I beleive he's hosting the launch party at his place ;)


HOW MUCH DID THAT 71'' BEAST COST YOU!?

[kgeorge78]

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=HLR7178WX%2fXAA

Damn, they just called, wont be here till Monday!

I'll post pics of the ultimate gaming room by the end of next week.

[jerryhussain]

I'm going to have to dispute that pic a little... First of all, the quality of that picture is pretty bad. Not to mention its too far away, and too small. It also looks like it is displayed on a PC Monitor rather then a TV.

Regardless, you can still see a difference in IQ... THe water, that larger creature on the left both look better on the right (which I'm hoping and assuming is the HD pic, otherwise I'll feel dumb)
"HD Is played via component on a 30" CRT set at 1080i (720p upscaled to 1080 via 360).

SD is played on the same T.V. via composite at 480i but widescreen."

Anyway, there is a noticeable difference. However take away teh HD on the right and it doesnt look bad-which was the point I am trying to make.


That's a little better... The 720p looks a lot better then the 480p to my eyes. I don't think using a monitor is a fair test though... 20" display vs. anywhere from 42"-100" dispplay on a HDTV... Just imagine the difference when you look at these side by side on something thats going to have an exponentialy larger surface area?
I think its a given that most PC gamers will notice the difference immediately (since we're so accustomed to resolutions and all). Casual/console gamers may be a completely different story.

[Fantaz]

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=HLR7178WX%2fXAA

Damn, they just called, wont be here till Monday!

I'll post pics of the ultimate gaming room by the end of next week.

Damn, that's a sick TV set. How much did you pay?

[bleeet]

circuit city in that states just started selling bundles online and now thier website timed out

i guess its safe to say their will be a mad rush a tuesday

[jerryhussain]

http://www.oxm.co.uk/__data/assets/image/330826/GRAW_S_X360_SP_Pack8_CMYK_gameplay_05.jpg

http://www.oxm.co.uk/__data/assets/image/330827/GRAW_S_X360_SP_Pack8_CMYK_gameplay_02.jpg

http://www.oxm.co.uk/__data/assets/fp_auto_layout_image/330870/varieties/7.jpg http://www.oxm.co.uk/__data/assets/fp_auto_layout_image/330859/varieties/7.jpg
http://www.oxm.co.uk/__data/assets/fp_auto_layout_image/330858/varieties/7.jpg


These screens are from the "Mexican Trainyard" level in Ghost Recon 3.

[jerryhussain]

And yeah there is a TSOP chip in the 360 too, all modders are getting their pants wet already ... :cheesygri

[barrist]

if you had to pick one of these , which would you pick? (note: im a huge bball fan but im getting 2k6 anyway.)

nba live 06
fifa 06
tiger woods
madden 06
need for speed most wanted

[kgeorge78]

i would get madden for sure or possibly NFS

stay away from live or fifa

[barrist]

yeh i have heard bad things about Live (good graphics, BAD gameplay) . even though im a huge bball fan and not so much a football fan, madden looks pretty good. NFS,, hmm i usually get bored with racing games after a short while, but who knows.

has anyone played Live? i hear it is being played at kiosks some places.

[jerryhussain]

1UP's Ridge Racer 6 Review - 8.5 (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145799&did=1)

[sfu_lifer]

yeh i have heard bad things about Live (good graphics, BAD gameplay) . even though im a huge bball fan and not so much a football fan, madden looks pretty good. NFS,, hmm i usually get bored with racing games after a short while, but who knows.

has anyone played Live? i hear it is being played at kiosks some places.
I'm playing LIve on the 360 right now. There is a 500MB demo you can download. Took about 45 minutes but it shows you how awesome the graphics are and how not so good the gameplay is. The loading screen is easily the best I've ever seen (basically you immediately take control of a virtual Wade and start practicing while it loads).
This is supposed to be representative of the real game and you can see they did not have much time to tweak the camera and the animation. I hear 2007 will be the be-all and end-all of hoops games though.
BTW, I love the idea and the implementation of Xbox Live Marketplace.
Tons of stuff to download right now. The demo's got me to buy a game asap (Geometry Wars 2).
I think I'll have to start clearing my HD pretty soon :)

[barrist]

what does the demo let you play?

so not worth a buy?

[sfu_lifer]

Lets you play 2 quarters and fool around with Dwayne Wade.
You can only play Heat vs Suns but everything's there.

[barrist]

Lets you play 2 quarters and fool around with Dwayne Wade.
You can only play Heat vs Suns but everything's there.

hmm i can get live for $55 shipped, not sure if its worth it or should just wait to play the demo.

[jerryhussain]

I'll update this post when more reviews hit ;)

IGN
Project Gotham Racing 3 - 8.8
Need for Speed:Most Wanted - 8.0
Condemned - 8.7
Call of Duty 2 - 9.0
Kameo - 8.4
Amped 3 - NA
NBA 2K6 - 7.8
NHL 2K6 - 7.5
Madden 06 - 8.0
NBA Live 06 - 5.9
Perfect Dark Zero - NA
King Kong - NA
Ridge Racer 6 - NA

GAMESPOT
Project Gotham Racing 3 - 8.8
Need for Speed:Most Wanted - 8.4
Condemned - 8.0
Call of Duty 2 - 8.8
Kameo - 8.7
Amped 3 - NA
NBA 2K6 - 8.3
NHL 2K6 - NA
Madden 06 - 7.4
NBA Live 06 - NA
Perfect Dark Zero - NA
King Kong - NA
Ridge Racer 6 - NA

1UP
Project Gotham Racing 3 - 10.0
Need for Speed:Most Wanted - 8.5
Condemned - 8.0
Call of Duty 2 - 9.0
Kameo - 7.0
Amped 3 - 7.0
NBA 2K6 - 7.0
NHL 2K6 - NA
Madden 06 - 8.0
NBA Live 06 - 7.5
Perfect Dark Zero - NA
King Kong - NA
Ridge Racer 6 - NA

OVERALL
Project Gotham Racing 3 - 9.2
Need for Speed:Most Wanted - 8.3
Condemned - 8.2
Call of Duty 2 - 8.9
Kameo - 8.0
Amped 3 - 7.0
NBA 2K6 - 7.3
NHL 2K6 - 7.5
Madden 06 - 7.6
NBA Live 06 - 6.7
Perfect Dark Zero - NA
King Kong - NA
Ridge Racer 6 - 8.5

[sfu_lifer]

hmm i can get live for $55 shipped, not sure if its worth it or should just wait to play the demo.
i d say dload the demo then decide

[barrist]

i d say dload the demo then decide

yeh i think im gonna do that.

can't wait for tuesday!

[barrist]

Not sure if this was asked but,

Can you only use the 360 wireless adapter on the 360, or are third party adapters compatible?

[P__S__2]

I was just connect to live fooling around and stuff....very fun and interactive features.

[Chandler]

so anyone know where I can get a xbox360 premium? its not that rare is it :|

[Jump]

so anyone know where I can get a xbox360 premium? its not that rare is it :|


Premiums available outnumber the Core packages. I think the ratio is roughly 4 to 1. All the usual preorder places such as EB Games are saying they're backordered and can't accept anymore preorders. Your best bet would be to try going to a Zellers or Walmart on launch day morning. Good luck!

Thanks for the headsup on the demo NBA Live. I didn't realize there were actually any real demos on Live. All I've been downloading are videos.

[Fantaz]

Top X360 games:

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/default_x360/1029

[sfu_lifer]

Not sure if this was asked but,

Can you only use the 360 wireless adapter on the 360, or are third party adapters compatible?
If you can bridge it, it'll work. How I have it hooked up at the moment is:
Wireless router -> USB 2 Wifi Adapter on MCE 2005 PC -> Xbox 360 via DHCP
It's working wonderfully, no lag or disconnects at all (knock on wood).

[sfu_lifer]

Premiums available outnumber the Core packages. I think the ratio is roughly 4 to 1. All the usual preorder places such as EB Games are saying they're backordered and can't accept anymore preorders. Your best bet would be to try going to a Zellers or Walmart on launch day morning. Good luck!

Thanks for the headsup on the demo NBA Live. I didn't realize there were actually any real demos on Live. All I've been downloading are videos.
Problem is I think you have a better chance of scoring a Core unit (but you'd be crazy to buy a Core unit IMO, the HD alone is worth $100 extra not to mention you'll need to buy either the HD or memory card in order to do any saving and you can do so much more with the HD plus the Premium unit comes with the wonderful remote control and a wireless controller plus a headset) since the die-hard gamers all want premium kits.

BTW, has anyone seen any Blockbuster video in the Lower Mainland seling the games or accessories early? The staff in Burnaby refuses to sell them until the 22nd :(

Also, has anyone seen PDZ in the wild? I'm gonna buy it since it looks like it's the game to get for Live gaming.

[Moot]

Hey sfu_lifer, have you tried streaming music off of an mp3 player? When I get a 360, I was thinking of grabbing an mp3 player for my music needs. Any problems? Good surround sound?

[sfu_lifer]

Hey sfu_lifer, have you tried streaming music off of an mp3 player? When I get a 360, I was thinking of grabbing an mp3 player for my music needs. Any problems? Good surround sound?
The 360 just treats anything you plug into the USB port as a USB HD.
So yeah, it finds the songs just fine. Can't vouch for playlists though since I didn't make any.
Sad though you can't transfer any songs over to the HD for your custom soundtrack needs (at least from my experience so far).
Dunno about the surround sound since aren't mp3's only stereo?

[barrist]

If you can bridge it, it'll work. How I have it hooked up at the moment is:
Wireless router -> USB 2 Wifi Adapter on MCE 2005 PC -> Xbox 360 via DHCP
It's working wonderfully, no lag or disconnects at all (knock on wood).

Hmm im a bit of an idiot, does this mean you do have a wireless adapter connected to your 360, or you're running an ethernet cable from your PC to the 360?

i'm in the basement here with the router on the 2nd floor, so i can only use wireless, no wired connections.

[jaigandhi5]

To anyone whose planning on getting an xbox360 but are scared of the supposebly "shortage"

Bestbuy is going to get the most xbox360s than any other retailer(including FS) according to our manager.

Also on monday night (7pm-12) we will be selling xbox360s at the Heartland location but remember to come early and line up, they'll give u tickets and etc.

so if you any of really want to buy an xbox360 and didnt win from the pepsi contest theres your chance :lol:

[YLSF]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet:

http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/hilton/ParisHilto_Caulf_6543975_600_400.jpg

I haven't been reading the thread

[barrist]

Anyone playing their 360 on an HDTV that doesn't have 720p input. How's it look at 1080i?

[Nakai]

Anyone playing their 360 on an HDTV that doesn't have 720p input. How's it look at 1080i?

Well mine accepts 720p but upconverts it but it looks great. I'm letting 360 do the upconverting though.

[barrist]

Well mine accepts 720p but upconverts it but it looks great. I'm letting 360 do the upconverting though.

nice, thats i wanted to hear. my panasonic 34" only accepts 1080i

[sfu_lifer]

Hmm im a bit of an idiot, does this mean you do have a wireless adapter connected to your 360, or you're running an ethernet cable from your PC to the 360?

i'm in the basement here with the router on the 2nd floor, so i can only use wireless, no wired connections.
No it's a fair question. I'm running an ethernet cable (cross-over) from my 360 to my PC. My PC is connected to the Internet wirelessly.
I find it's much better to do it this way since I'm getting a full uninterrupted 100Mbps connection from my MCE to my Xbox 360. Less lag when it comes to streaming my videos from MCE to the 360.

[barrist]

No it's a fair question. I'm running an ethernet cable (cross-over) from my 360 to my PC. My PC is connected to the Internet wirelessly.
I find it's much better to do it this way since I'm getting a full uninterrupted 100Mbps connection from my MCE to my Xbox 360. Less lag when it comes to streaming my videos from MCE to the 360.
when you're playing videos, is the xbox outputting it at 720p or 1080i?

[sfu_lifer]

when you're playing videos, is the xbox outputting it at 720p or 1080i?
I'm still using SDTV so 480i :(
I'm waiting for a hot deal on a 32" LCDTV (brand name).
Anyone know when the import restrictions are going up at the border? :lol:

[temporalillusion]

To anyone whose planning on getting an xbox360 but are scared of the supposebly "shortage"

Bestbuy is going to get the most xbox360s than any other retailer(including FS) according to our manager.


Not totally accurate.. in Calgary the BestBuy's are getting 30 (Sunridge) and 54 (Deerfoot Meadows) units.

Futureshop is getting 30 (Deerfoot Meadows), 40 (Coventry Hills), 68 (Macleod), 70 (NE), 50 (Shawnessey), and 106 (Northland).

Not sure which way to go though.. go to the more popular stores with more units, or go to the more out of the way stores with fewer units.

[barrist]

I'm still using SDTV so 480i :(
I'm waiting for a hot deal on a 32" LCDTV (brand name).
Anyone know when the import restrictions are going up at the border? :lol:

Hah then its gonna be even better when you get a HD tv eh?




anyway, anyone know if the xbox would output at 720p/1080i if streaming videos from MCE?

[Moot]

The 360 just treats anything you plug into the USB port as a USB HD.
So yeah, it finds the songs just fine. Can't vouch for playlists though since I didn't make any.
Sad though you can't transfer any songs over to the HD for your custom soundtrack needs (at least from my experience so far).
Dunno about the surround sound since aren't mp3's only stereo?

Yeah, mp3's are only 2-channel. Just curious how well they sounded when the 360 upmixes them to 5.1. Apparently, you can rip CD's to the hard drive? I hope you can copy mp3's to the hard drive using an mp3 player, so that you wouldn't have to have the mp3 player plugged in all the time.

[yegorpb]

All xbox fanboys, take a look at www.smashmyxbox.com :)

[bmaz]

All xbox fanboys, take a look at www.smashmyxbox.com :) :?:

If you don't need your money give it to a homeless guy.
If you don't like the xbox 360 don't buy it, how hard is that?

[barrist]

so as its getting close to launch, what games are you guys getting? this has probably been discussed ad nauseum earlier in the thread but im too lazy to look.

for me, i'm getting Nba2k6 for sure, and i'm lookin to get another game, maybe a shooter,fps

im leaning towards COD2 as it looks to be tried and true

others: Condemned (looks good, almost disturbing), Perfect Dark Zero (the graphics ive seen haven't impressed me too much though), and even Kameo which i know might not have that cool factor as the first two, but actually looks sorta fun to me.

the racing games look good, but i seem to always get bored very quickly with racers.

what do u guys think?

[Furkmyster]

so as its getting close to launch, what games are you guys getting? this has probably been discussed ad nauseum earlier in the thread but im too lazy to look.

for me, i'm getting Nba2k6 for sure, and i'm lookin to get another game, maybe a shooter,fps

im leaning towards COD2 as it looks to be tried and true

others: Condemned (looks good, almost disturbing), Perfect Dark Zero (the graphics ive seen haven't impressed me too much though), and even Kameo which i know might not have that cool factor as the first two, but actually looks sorta fun to me.

the racing games look good, but i seem to always get bored very quickly with racers.

what do u guys think?


PDZ and PGR3 for sure. Condemned and COD2 are in the maybe pile.

[ledorky]

Yeah, mp3's are only 2-channel. Just curious how well they sounded when the 360 upmixes them to 5.1. Apparently, you can rip CD's to the hard drive? I hope you can copy mp3's to the hard drive using an mp3 player, so that you wouldn't have to have the mp3 player plugged in all the time.
No you cannot copy the mp3's to the Xbox HD :(
Streaming is all you can do. BTW, does anyone know how to delete the space hogging trailers that MS stored in the drive?
I hate Titanic and I want it out of there along with that snowboarding video.

[actyper]

fyi, Best buy already has a few games for sale in case you wanted some early. The EA games, Kameo, Gun, PGR, NFS, Condemned.

[P__S__2]

fyi, Best buy already has a few games for sale in case you wanted some early. The EA games, Kameo, Gun, PGR, NFS, Condemned.


Can we do the game swap thing there also?

[bleeet]

PGR is the game i plan to get

racing games do tend to get boring (except burnout3) but i am hoping this will be good since no other games look good to me at launch

then i plan to get doa4

[mark_in_2k]

No you cannot copy the mp3's to the Xbox HD :(
Streaming is all you can do. BTW, does anyone know how to delete the space hogging trailers that MS stored in the drive?
I hate Titanic and I want it out of there along with that snowboarding video.
The movies can be deleted if you go into the "memory" section of the dashboard which is the 2ns to last blade on the right.

That's what I did. I watched the Titantic bit only, then deleted all of them to save some space.

[sfu_lifer]

Can we do the game swap thing there also?
If it's opened, you're SOL'ed. You can try and let us know how you made out.
Just sell it on eBay.

[P__S__2]

If it's opened, you're SOL'ed. You can try and let us know how you made out.
Just sell it on eBay.


nah its still sealed...o and btw whats SOL?

[felix]

nah its still sealed...o and btw whats SOL?
SOL = Sh1t Out of Luck

[JayPatel]

More detailed view of the motherboard

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2611

[Fantaz]

If you're a Halo fan or love FPS games then I'd suggest getting COD2, PD0 and Condemned.

[JayPatel]

FYI - the backwards compatibility patches have been released on XBOX Live.

[mushroomcheese]

what do you guys think is a better single player game? better multiplayer game?

Call of Duty 2 or Perfect Dark Zero?

For a second game I want a multiplayer game but would like to know which game you think is better for single player and multiplayer (doesn't have to be multiplayer on XBOX live)

[JayPatel]

what do you guys think is a better single player game? better multiplayer game?

Call of Duty 2 or Perfect Dark Zero?

For a second game I want a multiplayer game but would like to know which game you think is better for single player and multiplayer (doesn't have to be multiplayer on XBOX live)

So far from all the impressions ive read from IGN and 1UP, PDZ is going to be a huge dissapointment.

[Jump]

Well consdering Microsoft gave Rare a hard deadline for the game. Plus they had like 70,000 copies of the game made before it met certification. I'm not that pumped for it. I think COD2 is the better game if you're looking for an online FPS. Or just stick with the established, nicely anti-aliased Halo 2.

[jerryhussain]

So far from all the impressions ive read from IGN and 1UP, PDZ is going to be a huge dissapointment.
I'm not sure which previews you were reading but ..

All-in-all, PDZ looks like it will be a big thrill from start to finish. Gamers will love it, because there's really no other game like it on the system. It's definitely got some muscle behind it and will probably gain an unhealthy amount of enthusiasm. This is certainly worth picking up on launch day, but it's not the second coming of Goldeneye. That would be me. I am the second coming of Goldeneye.

Perhaps the most important thing that I can say about Perfect Dark Zero so far is that it made my list for games I'm going to pick up at launch.

In a word: cool.

Is PDZ going to live up to the tremendous hype that's been mounting for the past 6 months? Probably not, but your mileage may vary. For me, PDZ was spot-on with so many crucial elements in an FPS, and yet... I think it could have been so much more. I'll post my review come the annointed hour, so stay tuned for more PDZ coverage!

We need to spend a lot more time with Perfect Dark Zero before we reach a verdict, but we're having fun playing it so far. The game's got a slick presentation and a lot of different features, plus what seems to be a compelling campaign. We'll learn more soon enough and will bring you our full review and video review the week of the Xbox 360's release.

I dont see "huge dissappointment" anywhere. :confused: If anything, everybody was/is expecting the game to be utter crap. None of my friends are planning to buy it, heck every RFD'er who's getting a 360 doesnt have this game on their buy list. :lol: It might actually turn out decent.

I think it'll end up with an "8" which isnt half-bad.

[sparhawk909]

BTW, has anyone seen any Blockbuster video in the Lower Mainland seling the games or accessories early? The staff in Burnaby refuses to sell them until the 22nd :(

Blockbuster staff in Vancouver denied me any accessories until the 22nd as well. The guy was even unloading XBox360 games from one box and wireless controllers from another box as we were speaking.

[JayPatel]

I'm referring to my expectations of the game. The previews arent as glowing as one would expect considering the expectations of this game that everyone has after the original n64 game.

Heres what chespace (1up staffer has to say at GAF)

Finished every mission on secret agent difficulty.

Singleplayer thumbs down. :(


This is next-gen?
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2285/771_0088.jpg

btw saw Call of Duty2 today at futureshop for the X360. Thats going to the fps to get. Awesome sound and gameplay.

[dougi3000]

I got a shipping notice from Futureshop in my email just a second ago.
They are shipping my Xbox360........touque......
:confused:

[jerryhussain]

I'm referring to my expectations of the game. The previews arent as glowing as one would expect considering the expectations of this game that everyone has after the original n64 game.
Well werent you following how this game was shaping up since the E3? I still expect it to suck until I've played it myself. The only aspect I might look into PDZ is its multiplayer.

[StrayB]

I got a shipping notice from Futureshop in my email just a second ago.
They are shipping my Xbox360........touque......
:confused:

Kudos to Future Shop... you can wear it while you camp out on Tuesday. ;)

[Moot]

Hey Jay, was there any other games available to play up at Futureshop? Just haven't been up there yet...

[JayPatel]

Hey Jay, was there any other games available to play up at Futureshop? Just haven't been up there yet...

They had Kameo on the other setup. The 3rd setup was not on for some odd reason.

[Canadianpsycho]

I played this past weekend...

King Kong looked pretty neat. Controls seemed iffy, but I played for like 5 minutes.

Call of Duty 2 looked good, but looks better on my PC. I noticed the AA wasn't that hot, and it seems like AF isn't that great either. Some textures looked blurry.

Kameo was visually nice. Again AA wasn't that hot, but vibrant colours, gameplay was good (if you like platfrom/adventure type games).

I'm beginning to think they didn't have it properly setup... I didn't expect to see as many jaggies as I did.

[Moot]

They had Kameo on the other setup. The 3rd setup was not on for some odd reason.

Awesome. I was planning to pick up Kameo when I get the 360. I hope the third machine is setup for PDZ...

[othy]

I played the demo of CoD 2 at a FS, and I know it has been said a million times before but I just cannot get used to using a console controller for an FPS. I could do ok in halo 1/2 but this one I was totally sucking at.. Maybe it was because the controllers were down by my knees or something.. Hah.

Anyway it's a good way to bring expectations back to earth to try out the demo. Sure, it looks great and it is a decent value (doubt a ~$500 pc would look as good!) but after all, it's not really worth all the crazy hype or to line up for.. Looks like a nice system and it will deservedly sell a ton of units, but I'll probably be taking a pass for a while anyway.

Just have to sell my ps2 and dreamcast first I guess ;)

[dvdvideo]

Call of Duty 2 looked good, but looks better on my PC. I noticed the AA wasn't that hot, and it seems like AF isn't that great either. Some textures looked blurry.

Must have been the setup, overall most reviews are saying the 360 version is superior to the pc version.

[marboba145]

[QUOTE=Canadianpsycho]I played this past weekend...
Call of Duty 2 looked good, but looks better on my PC. I noticed the AA wasn't that hot, and it seems like AF isn't that great either. Some textures looked blurry.
QUOTE]


I noticed that too, could it just be from the lcd monitors they are using for the xbox360 displays?

[ClubberLang]

i'm thinking of buying this on the strength of PGR 3 alone.

[jerryhussain]

First PDZ Review: 8.8 (http://www.gamersreports.com/review/27/1/) (For comparision sakes, they gave Condemned a 7.9)

Also TalkXbox gave PDZ a 9.7 (currently down).

[ledorky]

First PDZ Review: 8.8 (http://www.gamersreports.com/review/27/1/) (For comparision sakes, they gave Condemned a 7.9)

Also TalkXbox gave PDZ a 9.7 (currently down).
I'm expecting a 1-Up score of 7.1 :D

[zzidaric]

My Xbox shipped today from FS

Item Number: 4337360756141570
Product Type: Expedited Parcels

FS did their job
Now to see how fast Canada Post is - ha ha ha

[barrist]

My Xbox shipped today from FS

Item Number: 4337360756141570
Product Type: Expedited Parcels

FS did their job
Now to see how fast Canada Post is - ha ha ha

Hopefully you'll be there to receive it or you'll be waiting til after 5pm to get it!

[Canadianpsycho]

Well I'm convinced if you didn't preorder a few months ago you might be screwed unless you want to line up real early in the morning. Or wait until after Xmas.

My local EB and Blockbuster are only filling preorders (EB said they are filled for the next 3 shipments, and don't even know when their second shipment is... Blockbuster said they were told second shipment will be after Xmas)

Zellers and Walmart will have stock... Zellers doesn't know how many yet, and Walmart only knows it will be less then 20.

Future Shop hasn't picked up the phone yet.

Best Buy won't release how many they have (say they don't know how many they have over preordered amount) but they said they're expecting a big lineup, ad Heartland already has people lining up the the midnight release. They are contemplating going with a wristband/ticket format.

Wow. Guess I never should have canceled my FS preorder. Ah well.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

I'm looking at an early morning trip to the great canadian superstore and/or costco, perhaps two of the less likely targets for lineups. PGR3 will be my launch title of choice, the demo disk from the official mag will let me preview the others before picking up a second.

[Yesdear]

So, I go into Blockbuster to see if I can rent a 360 game or two but was told that they cannot rent until the 22nd. Fair enough. The staff member then tells me that game rental prices are changing. All games will be week long rentals now and there will be three price structures.

1) Older games $7.99 (It may be a little less, I think I heard him right though)

2) Current games $8.99

3) XBOX 360 $9.99 (!!!)

Can you frigin believe that!

[ledorky]

So, I go into Blockbuster to see if I can rent a 360 game or two but was told that they cannot rent until the 22nd. Fair enough. The staff member then tells me that game rental prices are changing. All games will be week long rentals now and there will be three price structures.

1) Older games $7.99 (It may be a little less, I think I heard him right though)

2) Current games $8.99

3) XBOX 360 $9.99 (!!!)

Can you frigin believe that!
That's outrageous (I guess they're factoring in the going price of 360 games).
Ah well, off to Rogers I go then to play King Kong.

[JayPatel]

Perfect Dark Zero scores a 9.0 from gamespot

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/perfectdarkzero/review.html?sid=6140242

[ABOVEtheRIM]

I (gt: thesp3cialist) ranked higher than J. Allard (gt: HiroProtagonist) in project gotham racing 3 for one of the races on single player. Just thought it was cool so I posted it.

http://media.putfile.com/PGR385

[JayPatel]

http://gear.ign.com/articles/668/668461p1.html

pretty good article. IGN does a video and cable test

[soulflare]

I (gt: thesp3cialist) ranked higher than J. Allard (gt: HiroProtagonist) in project gotham racing 3 for one of the races on single player. Just thought it was cool so I posted it.

http://media.putfile.com/PGR385

Don't you get a prize for that?

[dougi3000]

OMG, i went to best buy, and wasted an hour of my time.
They apparently gave out all the tickets at 7pm.
I didnt even know there were tickets!
WTF?!?!
they should really tell people this, or put up a sign saying that they were using tickets, and say that all the tickets were sold out. bull!

anyways, here is a picture of "joanna dark" at best buy.
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joanna6eu.jpg
She is pretty cute. :P

[JayPatel]

OMG, i went to best buy, and wasted an hour of my time.
They apparently gave out all the tickets at 7pm.
I didnt even know there were tickets!
WTF?!?!
they should really tell people this, or put up a sign saying that they were using tickets, and say that all the tickets were sold out. bull!

anyways, here is a picture of "joanna dark" at best buy.
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joanna6eu.jpg
She is pretty cute. :P

saw some newcasts today, the lines were nuts

[Geologic]

OMG, i went to best buy, and wasted an hour of my time.
They apparently gave out all the tickets at 7pm.
I didnt even know there were tickets!
WTF?!?!
they should really tell people this, or put up a sign saying that they were using tickets, and say that all the tickets were sold out. bull!

anyways, here is a picture of "joanna dark" at best buy.
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joanna6eu.jpg
She is pretty cute. :P

I feel for ya man.. line up with everyone and realize that they all have tickets..

and joanna dark doesn't look like the char. at all... not cute IMO.

[ledorky]

I (gt: thesp3cialist) ranked higher than J. Allard (gt: HiroProtagonist) in project gotham racing 3 for one of the races on single player. Just thought it was cool so I posted it.

http://media.putfile.com/PGR385
You sure it was him and not some flunky MS employee they hired ;)?
Was he talking trash the whole time?

[Yesdear]

Any word on EA NHL 06 being playable on the 360? I know only 2004 is listed at xbox360.com (seems weird that 05 or 06 is not listed) but there are newer games that will work but are not on the list.

Just curious since I do not want to pay $69.99 for a 360 hockey game that cost $29.99 on the xbox. I like the EA versions more anyway.

[sleepyguy]

Yup... they are saying it's much smoother than PC... then again what PC can do COD2 ultra smooth for under $500? None I think.

Must have been the setup, overall most reviews are saying the 360 version is superior to the pc version.

[actyper]

So was PDZ delayed everywhere else too or just FS/BB, or just in my area?

[Murfle]

So was PDZ delayed everywhere else too or just FS/BB, or just in my area?

Superstore got it in this morning just in time for the release... Still waiting for my PGR3 to come in :/

[Marlek]

So was PDZ delayed everywhere else too or just FS/BB, or just in my area?

My local EB had it, although Wal-Mart & Toys R Us didn't.

All I gotta say is anyone who says that there are no stars in the 360 launch lineup hasn't played Perfect Dark Zero. It's fantastic.

[Fantaz]

I wanted to rent PD0 from Rogers Video but they didn't have them yet so I rented Condemned. I'm gonna go play some more now. :)

[ABOVEtheRIM]

So was PDZ delayed everywhere else too or just FS/BB, or just in my area?
ebgames (in whitby) got it today. Both single player and multiplayer are awesome so far

[Moot]

I was just up at Toys R Us and Futureshop earlier. Futureshop's displays were NOT setup properly. The games had xbox graphics. However, Toys R Us has their display setup properly and I was amazed. The games look stunning. I played some King Kong and then Call of Duty 2. I had more fun playing them on the 360 than I did on my PC. Just awesome. :)

[mushroomcheese]

does anyone know how to transfer a save file from an XBOX harddrive?

can you transfer it from a harddrive to a memory unit or something?

[ledorky]

Did anyone get PDZ in the Lower Mainland?
I've been calling around and nobody has them :(

[bleeet]

i was watching the news (citytv) and other channels and wow most of the people in the line ups were old

even at the FS i went to everyone was old

they must be buying it just to sell it

[actyper]

Yeah I ended up picking PDZ up at EB. Good game, hasn't wowed me though.
Call of Duty 2 has that wow factor, its awesome. Didn't try Kameo yet. System is awesome, but a heavy sob.

[ferkel]

I feel for ya man.. line up with everyone and realize that they all have tickets..

and joanna dark doesn't look like the char. at all... not cute IMO.

They had a hot Jonna Dark at Markham BB on the weekend. She looked like the character fur real.

[sparhawk909]

Did anyone get PDZ in the Lower Mainland?
I've been calling around and nobody has them :(

As far as I know, Perfect Dark Zero is probably still in transit from the east.

[Ghetto_Child]

does anyone know how to transfer a save file from an XBOX harddrive?

can you transfer it from a harddrive to a memory unit or something?

If you're trying to transfer from a hard drive to the xbox360, I'm told the xbox360 has 3 standard usb ports on it. Just get an IDE to USB adaptor but be careful, I don't know if the xbox360 will try to format the drive when you first plug it in :eek: :confused: .

[sparhawk909]

If you're trying to transfer from a hard drive to the xbox360, I'm told the xbox360 has 3 standard usb ports on it. Just get an IDE to USB adaptor but be careful, I don't know if the xbox360 will try to format the drive when you first plug it in :eek: :confused: .

I already tried that. I tried an IDE to USB 2.0 enclosure that contained a 2.1 GB HD and XBox360 didn't even recognize it. It couldn't figure out how to access the ALi M5621 IDE to USB controller chip.

[sfu_lifer]

As far as I know, Perfect Dark Zero is probably still in transit from the east.
Damn that sucks. Thanks for the info.
I wanted to get the LE for $59 before I go on vacation this week.

[Kurtz7834]

Wanted to post my views quickly after playing this console tonight for around 4 hours. :cheesygri

First of all, console is LOUD. I know it runs very hot and the CPUs need a lot of cooling but damn, the thing sounds like an air conditioner! I guess I'll get used to it.

I bought PGR3 but I'll save my mini review as I haven't played it yet. I have rented Call of Duty 2 and Perfect Dark Zero.

While not terribly innovative, COD2 is what I expect from a next gen system - the graphics are absolutely beautiful - best I've ever seen on anything other than a high end pc and gameplay is tight if not deep or complicated. The game is linear but hey, it's a shooter. Really enjoyable game.

I must say I am disappointed with PDZ. Graphics are not great and the opening level is just boring - shooting robot spiders? Truly the graphics are not above the level of an XBox1 game from what I have yet seen. Maybe multiplayer is awesome but I'm just giving my thoughts on the single player campaign. I guess I should play through more of the game but I have no idea where a 9+ score is coming from here. A game like Halo hooked me right away.

Can't comment on multiplayer of either game. Can only afford one controller right now, lol.

Played Kameo demo in store at Bestbuy and IMHO the game is dull.

[Sgt_Strider]

Wanted to post my views quickly after playing this console tonight for around 4 hours. :cheesygri

First of all, console is LOUD. I know it runs very hot and the CPUs need a lot of cooling but damn, the thing sounds like an air conditioner! I guess I'll get used to it.

I bought PGR3 but I'll save my mini review as I haven't played it yet. I have rented Call of Duty 2 and Perfect Dark Zero.

While not terribly innovative, COD2 is what I expect from a next gen system - the graphics are absolutely beautiful - best I've ever seen on anything other than a high end pc and gameplay is tight if not deep or complicated. The game is linear but hey, it's a shooter. Really enjoyable game.

I must say I am disappointed with PDZ. Graphics are not great and the opening level is just boring - shooting robot spiders? Truly the graphics are not above the level of an XBox1 game from what I have yet seen. Maybe multiplayer is awesome but I'm just giving my thoughts on the single player campaign. I guess I should play through more of the game but I have no idea where a 9+ score is coming from here. A game like Halo hooked me right away.

Can't comment on multiplayer of either game. Can only afford one controller right now, lol.

Played Kameo demo in store at Bestbuy and IMHO the game is dull.

Yea, that's what I heard too. If you bought the Premium version, I don't think it'll be a big deal. Just store it in some cabinet with the doors shut. This will help reduce the noise level a bit and I'm sure your wireless controller will work.

I think PDZ is overrated. I checked out the screenshots and the graphics are definitely not what next-gen should look like. Looks more xbx 1.5 to me. I think Halo did xbox 1 justice and PDZ didn't for xbx360.

[Ghetto_Child]

I already tried that. I tried an IDE to USB 2.0 enclosure that contained a 2.1 GB HD and XBox360 didn't even recognize it. It couldn't figure out how to access the ALi M5621 IDE to USB controller chip.

:arrowu: :arrow: There's still a big problem with your application. The USB port has to give power to the drive. You'll need to use a 2.5" drive (laptop hard drive) on that IDE to USB. I betting if you used a standard 3.5" drive you didn't plug power to the drive itself right? Try buying an external drive even and it should work too. Key thing is the Hard drive needs to get power somehow and it's easiest to use a drive that takes power from the usb cable in some fashion. Either through the 40pin plug on the hard drive or from the USB cable itself without special adaptors like external drives.

Oh yeah and if your cable requires drivers it probably won't work, you'll need one that just plug and play, basic bridge that doesn't need special drivers installed to operate. Like a USB flash stick or something like that.


Yea, that's what I heard too. If you bought the Premium version, I don't think it'll be a big deal. Just store it in some cabinet with the doors shut. This will help reduce the noise level a bit and I'm sure your wireless controller will work.

I think PDZ is overrated. I checked out the screenshots and the graphics are definitely not what next-gen should look like. Looks more xbx 1.5 to me. I think Halo did xbox 1 justice and PDZ didn't for xbx360.

:arrowu: :arrow: Depends on if you have it set up properly in high definition mode or not. See here http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690

[barrist]

I must say I am disappointed with PDZ. Graphics are not great and the opening level is just boring - shooting robot spiders? Truly the graphics are not above the level of an XBox1 game from what I have yet seen. Maybe multiplayer is awesome but I'm just giving my thoughts on the single player campaign. I guess I should play through more of the game but I have no idea where a 9+ score is coming from here. A game like Halo hooked me right away.



this is a bit discouraging, wondering if i should switch my PDZ preorder to COD2 now.

ah well, im lovin nba 2k6 right now, best bball game ive ever played.

[actyper]

If you had to choose one or the other, take COD. Audio and Visual aspects are simply top notch, and the gameplay is awesome. Only played an hr in, but there are some scenes that just get your heart pumping. Bombs, grenades, bullets flying everywhere, tons of enemies and teamates battling around you without any slowdown. They did a good job with this game so far.

PDZ has been good so far, but just good. Graphically after the first level it could have been done on the xbox/ps2, but like Kurtz was saying unfair to rate it until its been played further.

Kameo I'll play tonight.

[Canadianpsycho]

this is a bit discouraging, wondering if i should switch my PDZ preorder to COD2 now.

ah well, im lovin nba 2k6 right now, best bball game ive ever played.

Basically, I'd go after whichever has the better multiplayer.

having played COD2 on my PC I do know its not a very long single player game. The game is awesome however.

Something tells me PD0 will might be better for multiplayer, but its pretty early.

[Marlek]

I must say I am disappointed with PDZ. Graphics are not great and the opening level is just boring - shooting robot spiders? Truly the graphics are not above the level of an XBox1 game from what I have yet seen. Maybe multiplayer is awesome but I'm just giving my thoughts on the single player campaign. I guess I should play through more of the game but I have no idea where a 9+ score is coming from here. A game like Halo hooked me right away.

I disagree. I'm not sure if you're playing on an HD display, but I've been playing PDZ on a 8' x 5' screen in true 720p and I find the graphics extremely impressive. And trust me, graphical mediocrity shows up on my screen like no tomorrow :) I would say that the graphics are somewhat stylized, whereas COD2 shoots for realism. This isn't to say they're bad, just different. I'm onto the 6th mission and I would give them kudos for variety, if nothing else.

That said I would give the gameplay 7/10. Good but not great. I hear the multiplayer is incredibly varied.

[Kurtz7834]

I disagree. I'm not sure if you're playing on an HD display, but I've been playing PDZ on a 8' x 5' screen in true 720p and I find the graphics extremely impressive. And trust me, graphical mediocrity shows up on my screen like no tomorrow :) I would say that the graphics are somewhat stylized, whereas COD2 shoots for realism. This isn't to say they're bad, just different. I'm onto the 6th mission and I would give them kudos for variety, if nothing else.

That said I would give the gameplay 7/10. Good but not great. I hear the multiplayer is incredibly varied.

Nope, I don't have an HDTV setup. Playing on a low end 27 inch TV too. COD2 still looks beautiful though, way better than anything on the XBox1. PDZ well, doesn't. I was also noticing slight graphical glitches here and there on PDZ whereas COD2 runs like butter.

But I'm only on the first level of PDZ, let me play it a bit more and give it a fair chance. I spent way more time on COD2 last night.

[bleeet]

i believe PDZ was rushed

if they had a little more time it would be alot better

[StrayB]

Oh VGA cable, where art thou? Anyone find this bugger yet? FS/BB -> OOS (did they even have any in the first place?)

[Sgt_Strider]

:arrowu: :arrow: There's still a big problem with your application. The USB port has to give power to the drive. You'll need to use a 2.5" drive (laptop hard drive) on that IDE to USB. I betting if you used a standard 3.5" drive you didn't plug power to the drive itself right? Try buying an external drive even and it should work too. Key thing is the Hard drive needs to get power somehow and it's easiest to use a drive that takes power from the usb cable in some fashion. Either through the 40pin plug on the hard drive or from the USB cable itself without special adaptors like external drives.

Oh yeah and if your cable requires drivers it probably won't work, you'll need one that just plug and play, basic bridge that doesn't need special drivers installed to operate. Like a USB flash stick or something like that.




:arrowu: :arrow: Depends on if you have it set up properly in high definition mode or not. See here http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690

I don't have an xbox 360 and I'm basing my opinions on the screenshots that I saw through IGN and Gamespot.

[duckdown]

I heard PDZ has an amazing co-op mode (both split screen and ONLINE, which was what HALO was missing IMO)

[ledorky]

I heard PDZ has an amazing co-op mode (both split screen and ONLINE, which was what HALO was missing IMO)
Oh it does. I like the game. I thought it would suck and suck hard but it's actually pretty good.

[barrist]

so whats the verdict guys,

COD2 or PDZ?

[Fantaz]

Heh, I made a thread on IGN boards about how loud the system is:

http://boards.ign.com/xbox_360_general_board/b8266/103625596/p1/?52

[barrist]

i dont understand the problem with it being loud, its not that loud to me, or is everyone playing without the sound off or something?

[ledorky]

i dont understand the problem with it being loud, its not that loud to me, or is everyone playing without the sound off or something?
It's odd. I think it's mainly games that do a lot of loading like Kameo/PDZ.
The LG/Hitachi drive is a noisy one. Otherwise, it's not that loud to me.
Esp when I like playing my 5.1 setup loud :).
The Xbox 1 was far far worse soundwise.

[barrist]

It's odd. I think it's mainly games that do a lot of loading like Kameo/PDZ.
The LG/Hitachi drive is a noisy one. Otherwise, it's not that loud to me.
Esp when I like playing my 5.1 setup loud :).
The Xbox 1 was far far worse soundwise.


hah yeah i crank it up on my 5.1 when i play, although i havent played a game that has taken advantage of it (just have nba2k6 so far).
Waitin for my PDZ to arrive at EB, but still thinkin of switchin to COD2, im conflicted.

[Carnage]

^ Get both. Conflict solved. ;)

[Sgt_Strider]

Heh, I made a thread on IGN boards about how loud the system is:

http://boards.ign.com/xbox_360_general_board/b8266/103625596/p1/?52

Unfortuneately, a subscription is required to view the thread. So I can't read all of your rant :(.

[friesenth]

the only time i've noticed it get loud is when the cd is spinning in there. Other than that it runs nice and quiet

[mark_in_2k]

I played PGR3 for almost 2 hours last night. I have my 360 standing vertically in my entertainment unit. It has a glass door that you can slide across, enclosing the 360.

After an hour I noticed that it was a lot louder than normal, so I opened the door and there was a rush of heat, kind of like stepping off the plane when you land in Cuba! The fans were really working over time, but once I kept the doors open the fans did their thing and the volume went to the normal level after just a few seconds.

[JayPatel]

http://previews.operationsports.com/images/other/fightnight3360/fightnight33601.jpg http://previews.operationsports.com/images/other/fightnight3360/fightnight33602.jpg http://previews.operationsports.com/images/other/fightnight3360/fightnight33603.jpg

[diabolical7]

It's odd. I think it's mainly games that do a lot of loading like Kameo/PDZ.
The LG/Hitachi drive is a noisy one. Otherwise, it's not that loud to me.
Esp when I like playing my 5.1 setup loud :).
The Xbox 1 was far far worse soundwise.
how do u know which drives they are?

[jimbojones]

how do u know which drives they are?

You can probably tell by the noise level. I'm fairly certain I have one of the noisy ones cuz mine is very loud when playing a game. At the dashboard its relatively quiet.

[ChinpokoMon]

how do u know which drives they are?

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2610&p=11

[SomeGuyGG]

http://previews.operationsports.com/images/other/fightnight3360/fightnight33601.jpg
http://previews.operationsports.com/images/other/fightnight3360/fightnight33602.jpg
http://previews.operationsports.com/images/other/fightnight3360/fightnight33603.jpg

Fight Night!!!!

Once that game comes out I will probably dig deep and get an xbox. Fight Night 1/2 were the only EA games I play from EA. I love em, have beaten career modes in both a few times over, and slaughter anyone that challenges me to a duel :razz:

Nice to see some Xbox 360 screenshots of it in action, looks amazing!

Those pictures came from here:
http://previews.operationsports.com/previews.aspx?game=fightnight3360

They also have a video :)