Interesting (and plausable) conspiracy theories...

[danfromwaterloo]

Alrighty, lets hear your favourite (and plausable) conspiracy theories:

My personal favourite that I invented is that the United States government actually controls the Chinese government, keeping them in a communist state to provide the US Machine with enough cheap labour. There are 300 MILLION middle class Chinese. If they all get it in their heads to have a democratic society, world economics would RADICALLY shift. Suddenly the largest consumer market would be China, resulting in all products costing 10x more than they currently do (less cheap manufacturing = increase in cost). This would plummet the US economy into a massive downturn.

So, the US keeps China communist to ensure that they remain on top. :P

Anybody else have any other plausable conspiracy theories?

[devious9191]

Alrighty, lets hear your favourite (and plausable) conspiracy theories:

My personal favourite that I invented is that the United States government actually controls the Chinese government, keeping them in a communist state to provide the US Machine with enough cheap labour. There are 300 MILLION middle class Chinese. If they all get it in their heads to have a democratic society, world economics would RADICALLY shift. Suddenly the largest consumer market would be China, resulting in all products costing 10x more than they currently do (less cheap manufacturing = increase in cost). This would plummet the US economy into a massive downturn.

So, the US keeps China communist to ensure that they remain on top. :P

Anybody else have any other plausable conspiracy theories?

haha. I like that one.

[danfromwaterloo]

haha. I like that one.

I always thought it made a lot of sense. (Remember, white guy here) China has 10 times the population of the US without much of the b*tching and complaining. If they were to get the same liberation that the US does, it would be sheer chaos for the world....they'd dominate everything. If not through superior skills, intellect, and dedication, then surely through raw numbers. It would only seem natural for such a country to move toward a US-style of legal/political system...but they haven't. Why not?

[rdtx2002]

I always thought it made a lot of sense. (Remember, white guy here) China has 10 times the population of the US without much of the b*tching and complaining. If they were to get the same liberation that the US does, it would be sheer chaos for the world....they'd dominate everything. If not through superior skills, intellect, and dedication, then surely through raw numbers. It would only seem natural for such a country to move toward a US-style of legal/political system...but they haven't. Why not?

why not?.. cuz communism rules in China.. but they are an altered communist system because they are opening the marketplace

[bluetroll]

this makes sense....

[eelfliw]

It would only seem natural for such a country to move toward a US-style of legal/political system...but they haven't. Why not?
Because it will lead to chaos.

5000 years of monarchy rule by emperors have led to a generally obedient culture & society. People are willing to trade a certain degree of freedom for peace. That is not to say there haven't been wars. There have been many many wars. But the wars are rarely over ideological issues such as religion or race. But usually over land and the right to govern people who live on that piece of land (ie. more obedient workers).

Taiwan is a good experiment in applying democracy to Chinese culture/society. If you have never lived there or well versed in its culture and recent events, stop reading now for you do not have enough info to form a judgement. But if you are, then I don't need to say more because you already know. Politically, the island has split into two with the government more interested in working to ensure that it wins the next election instead of governing. Massive resources are wasted in political in-fighting instead of the betterment of the people.

US conspiracy? Only if democracy succeeds in China.

[sk8]

The instersting one would be the Illuminati and New World Order.
And that the world is run by a group of people, Maasons?


I don't believe its all true. But is some kind of coordination of events/planning going on up there.

How do people believe in such things anyways. I was listening to this show on Mojo 640 this guy was talking about this crap all night(good thing the show died early). And then there is the Art Bell show some stories are so unbeleivable.

[b166er1337]

If i have to choose, i would rather live in a place where there is democracy and a split population than a place which is ruled by dicatorship.

The most important thing here is the ability to choose.

Can Chinese choose their leader? NO.

Can Taiwanese choose thier leader? Yes.

simple.

[Nyte]

Alrighty, lets hear your favourite (and plausable) conspiracy theories:

My personal favourite that I invented is that the United States government actually controls the Chinese government, keeping them in a communist state to provide the US Machine with enough cheap labour. There are 300 MILLION middle class Chinese. If they all get it in their heads to have a democratic society, world economics would RADICALLY shift. Suddenly the largest consumer market would be China, resulting in all products costing 10x more than they currently do (less cheap manufacturing = increase in cost). This would plummet the US economy into a massive downturn.

So, the US keeps China communist to ensure that they remain on top. :P

Anybody else have any other plausable conspiracy theories?

Im taking a break from studying economics and here you are... :p

[devious9191]

Politically, the island has split into two with the government more interested in working to ensure that it wins the next election instead of governing. Massive resources are wasted in political in-fighting instead of the betterment of the people.



That sounds strangely like the country that I live in.

[eelfliw]

If i have to choose, i would rather live in a place where there is democracy and a split population than a place which is ruled by dicatorship.

The most important thing here is the ability to choose.

Can Chinese choose their leader? NO.

Can Taiwanese choose thier leader? Yes.

simple.
Why are you living in Canada, then? You didn't vote for the Queen. And it's very unlikely you voted for Paul Martin since you're in GTA.

[Markyhour]

My personal favourite that I invented is that the United States government actually controls the Chinese government, keeping them in a communist state to provide the US Machine with enough cheap labour. There are 300 MILLION middle class Chinese. If they all get it in their heads to have a democratic society, world economics would RADICALLY shift. Suddenly the largest consumer market would be China, resulting in all products costing 10x more than they currently do (less cheap manufacturing = increase in cost). This would plummet the US economy into a massive downturn.

Not necessarily... If china changed to a market system economy wouldn't it promote things like product specialization which would in turn increase the amount of goods/services in the economy rather than "Suddenly resulting in all products costing 10x more than they currently do" as you say. Their would be an increase in goods and services which would decrease prices ceterus paribus. Also middle class citizens in china are not exactly living below the poverty line due to communism, lifting the communist infrastructure wouldnt necessarily increase demand uncontrollably. However lifting the communist infrastructure and outsourcing centrally owned corporations to producers who would be out to maximize profits by product specialization, trashing quotas (which would dramatically increase quality and quantity), and taking up cost minimization measures like new machines and methods of producing - these things dont happen under communist rule because corporation CEO's are only worried about fulfilling the quota rather than installing new machinery which will cost them $ to fulfill the same quota as the old machines (which causes products to have less quality). With the increase in supply and decrease in prices of factors of production, product prices would drop.

So dont think this 10x price increase will happen is necessary true.

[chickenbones]

I always thought it made a lot of sense. (Remember, white guy here) China has 10 times the population of the US without much of the b*tching and complaining. If they were to get the same liberation that the US does, it would be sheer chaos for the world....they'd dominate everything. If not through superior skills, intellect, and dedication, then surely through raw numbers. It would only seem natural for such a country to move toward a US-style of legal/political system...but they haven't. Why not?


India is the larget democratic system right? I don't believe they have taken over the world or anything like that...


If i have to choose, i would rather live in a place where there is democracy and a split population than a place which is ruled by dicatorship.

The most important thing here is the ability to choose.

Can Chinese choose their leader? NO.

Can Taiwanese choose thier leader? Yes.

simple.

Can Americans choose their leader? Yes. Look what happend...

That being said, Taiwan must have the most number of fights in their senate or whatever it is. I believe the local news used to refer to these politicians as nothing but thugs.

Not bashing anyone here, but it's not that simple. Every system has its flaws. And China is certainly not ruled by the classic dictatorship any more. A dictator is someone like Kim Jong-il of North Korea.

You can't just introduce democracy to any parts of the world and think it would work. Like someone already mentioned, China is modifying it's communist system in order to modernize. Taiwan certainly has its only flavour of democracy as well.

No system is perfect, it would be very naive to think that everything is so simple.