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radeonboy

Jan 27th, 2005, 06:39 PM

Wow.. sux.. thats why you shouldn't soup up cars..

WRONG! Don't listen to this guy.

Flame02, tell your friend not be scared...lol. The cops don't do **** and they have nothing else to do but pick on people with nice cars.

Just go to the courtdate and usually the cops just forget and you can do your thang. Say to the judge how weird these things are. Say that your friend signalled and changed safely like anyone else. They have no basis or proof.

For your exhasut, its always legal. Get your friend to print out the manufactures specs about his muffler. Again cops are just BS again.

Last one I dunno about about that..lol just BS again I suppose.

Don't be afraid. Act like your sorry and be on your way out with either a lowered fine, no fine, just try to get it lowered or done with.

These cops should be getting the robbers, criminals instead of picking on people with nice cars. Again they just want money. THEY HAVE NO BASIS for what they did.

Good luck, and no sweat. Trust me, he won't get jack for anything.

TTony

Jan 27th, 2005, 06:52 PM

go alone or with x copper = same result
if he writes a ticket for mufler he knows what he is doing that must be modified mufler

wanted

Jan 27th, 2005, 06:55 PM

Cops do have somewhat of a negative bias toward street racers...I've seen it happen sometimes.

flame02

Jan 27th, 2005, 09:29 PM

the thing is its not suped up .. just an exhauste and lowered ... its 106 HP for god sakes!!! racing? race a snail???

and thx radeonboy! great reply

flame02

Jan 27th, 2005, 10:15 PM

also if anyone can find anything on the net that makes reference to street legal exhausts please lmk

gilboman

Jan 27th, 2005, 10:30 PM

go alone or with x copper = same result
if he writes a ticket for mufler he knows what he is doing that must be modified mufler

bwhaha...first time with cop and knows what they're doing in the same sentence.. how would they know what exhaust are legal or not? :lol:

what part of the HTA would a modified/after market exhaust/muffler violate?

if it passes smog its legal. and the cops probably dont even know what smog is since the like to idle in from of timmys for their shifts

yu130960

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:10 AM

what part of the HTA would a modified/after market exhaust/muffler violate?

if it passes smog its legal. and the cops probably dont even know what smog is since the like to idle in from of timmys for their shifts

Highway Traffic Act, R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER H.8

Muffler

75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (1).

Personally, I hate those cars that make excessive noise and don't sympathize with your friend as I live on a main street and have to hear these cars constantly droning along. What's the purpose of putting an performance exhaust system on a car with no performance? All they do is make excessive noise and I believe your friend falls within Section 75(1).

btw: If this guy gets found guilty on all three charges I guess we can expect the follow-up posts:

LF: High Risk Car Insurance Deals <$5000

and/or

LF: Deal on Metropass

and/or

FS: Winter Beater/Field Car (needs exhaust) $500 OBO

flame02

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:21 AM

Personally, I hate those cars that make excessive noise and don't sympathize with your friend as I live on a main street and have to hear these cars constantly droning along. What's the purpose of putting an performance exhaust system on a car with no performance? All they do is make excessive noise and I believe your friend falls within Section 75(1).

Thanks there neighbour, i love the way you gudge a book by its cover! If u need to know my friend did NOT put this on, it was the previous owner and now hes stuck with all this. Its not that loud, its just when the cop pulled him over, he noticed the size of it back there, not the noise value. It gets very loud at 4k + RPMS, my friend does MAX 3k on city streets.

btw, if ure not going to help this serious situation, i dont want to see any of you bs!

also would <a href=../autolink/redirectpage.php?linkid=24 target=_blank>canadian tire</a> sell exhausts that are illigal?

actng

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:25 AM

The prosecutor will throw at least one ticket out. Make sure that ticket is the unsafe lane change. In exchange, the victim will probably have to plead guilty to something so I'll take the plate portion of ownership ********.

The loud exhaust I don't believe is a moving violation so you might be ok insurance wise. see if you can get both tickets thrown out for pleading guilty to the ownership bs.

yu130960

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:43 AM

Thanks there neighbour, i love the way you gudge a book by its cover! If u need to know my friend did NOT put this on, it was the previous owner and now hes stuck with all this. Its not that loud, its just when the cop pulled him over, he noticed the size of it back there, not the noise value. It gets very loud at 4k + RPMS, my friend does MAX 3k on city streets.

btw, if ure not going to help this serious situation, i dont want to see any of you bs!

also would <a href=../autolink/redirectpage.php?linkid=24 target=_blank>canadian tire</a> sell exhausts that are illigal?

I am not pre-Judging this case BUT if those are the defences that your friend is going to submit to the Justice of the Peace in Provincial Court, your friend is at risk for the following reasons:

1. The fact that someone else put it on the car is irrelevant to the fact that your buddy was driving the car at the time;

2. Excessive noise is not defined in the HTA with an objective decibel rating therefore the legal test would have some subjective and objective factors to be considered by the learned Justice of the Peace. Your friend may want to call expert evidence on the subject (i.e. an expert on noise pollution who would testify under oath that your friend's muffler system is in good working order and does an acceptable job at keeping the noise of your buddy's vehicle in line with socially acceptable standards (which is the policy objective of the act). Why don't you look up the Government Hansards to confirm that was indeed the policy objective (although not legally binding it is persuasive) The Justice of the Peace is probably as annoyed about these things as I am and without any evidence produced by YOUR BUDDY that the muffler system did not create excessive noise, your friend faces considerable risk of being found guilty; and

3. The fact that <a href=../autolink/redirectpage.php?linkid=24 target=_blank>Canadian Tire</a> sells these things is also irrelevant, I am sure there is a disclaimer on the package that states maybe illegal in some states/provinces, off-road use etc. etc. It is up to the user to ensure that it complies with all laws.

d_jedi

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:46 AM

TTony

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:54 AM

yu130960

Jan 28th, 2005, 12:01 PM

My friend had ticket in mississsauga for mufler,his english not good he cant speak I told him what to do but he did not do it he saw the cop in the court room he told him why you here what you gonna do he says I will win you know you dont have chance obviusly my friend could not speek well cop sad him accept it I will get you deal and they made a deal no point and half of the money .

People are always concerned about demerit points and fines, unless you are a real menace to society demerit points have little or no impact on your ability to drive in this province. It's the INSURANCE that will absolutely reem you out, regardless of what you plead it down to.

Good luck to you all. Never accept a plea and always hire a qualified LAWYER/or COMPETENT paralegal (not a dump truck) to defend your interests!

RendX

Jan 28th, 2005, 12:49 PM

Lots of officers are giving out tickets to 'modified cars'. The way to get around this is to keep everything as close to OEM as possible. There are many inexperienced officers who don't know what is legal or not and hand out tickets they shouldn't.

Not everyone who has a suped up car has a loud exhaust. When you buy an exhaust you have full control over the power/noise ratio. Because your friend bought it with the car, he is responsible for it, although he can use this as a defense (a weak one though). You should get in touch with the manufacturer of the muffler and find out the dB rating for it. If it's about the same as the OEM one, then they have nothing to say. As for the cop giving you a ticket for "large exhaust", it is not the first time someone has gotten one for that. It's the noise that they can get you with, not the size. What about those HUGE muffler TIPS you can buy? ;) However, since the car has 106 hp (probably a Honda civic i presume?) and it gets very loud at 4k+ it would probably be a LOUD exhaust (since 4k reving shoudn't be too loud and you have no vtec) and you're SOL.

The plate portion of ownership I think is the other portion you get when you renew your license plate. It says to affix it to your ownership (if i remember correctly). He probably just threw that in because it was nearing the end of the month ;)

Like people said, it's not the points that will kill you. It's the insurance if it goes up... you need to at least fight the improper lane change...

flame02

Jan 28th, 2005, 01:53 PM

yes i understand all about what he can get pinned for, the point of this thread is to help him out and i thank all of u that at least tried to give some information to help him out.

as for the unsafe lane change ... there was no one behind him, no one at all! except for the cop after he changed the lane.

Mcp

Jan 28th, 2005, 01:58 PM

Jim123

Jan 28th, 2005, 02:18 PM

And you should always have your ownership in the car....Actually the law states you must have the permit or a "true copy" in the vehicle.

It is safer to carry a double-sided photocopy of the permit. That way if someone steals the contents of your glove compartment you don't have to get a replacement. Also, if your car is stolen it prevents someone from pretending to be you and using the permit to sell your car.

d_jedi

Jan 28th, 2005, 03:01 PM

as for the unsafe lane change ... there was no one behind him, no one at all! except for the cop after he changed the lane.

Again, I ask.. how many lanes? Did he signal?

yu130960

Jan 28th, 2005, 03:01 PM

KiFe

Jan 28th, 2005, 05:46 PM

I have to share my disgust for all things 'suped up'

First off, i can never get my head around the fact that someone would buy a ~20 thousand dollar car and put $10k+ worth of aftermarket CRAP on it.. when they just could have bought a $30k car to begin with.

Secondly, it seems that those coffee can mufflers are supposed to make the drivers feel like they have testicles twice as large as the average man. What other reason could you have for buying a muffler that's 4 times louder than the average car? It's painfully obvious to all onlookers that you DESPERATELY seek attention.

I'm not even going to get into the whole whale-tail spoiler issue...

For anyone out there driving 'suped up' or 'modified' cars that are aimed at looking like racecars, don't seek the pity of others when you get tickets for no reason. These garish aftermarket parts are designed to attract attention.. so when officer Donut decides to pull you over instead of grandma Biddy in her volvo, you can wallow in the fact that you got all the attention you were hoping to get, regardless of wether or not you were at fault.

If you want performance... buy a decent car to begin with.

/end rant.

flame02

Jan 28th, 2005, 06:58 PM

TTony

Jan 28th, 2005, 09:14 PM

only think, we can pray for you maybe you can win,what the muck you want ,a magic pay the mucking money and higer insurance and learn your lesson

jesterwilly2004

Jan 28th, 2005, 09:55 PM

again if ure not going to help, keep ure mouths shut! Thank you

You want to beat a system that you may not be able to beat. Many comments that were said help because they show you that there is another viewpoint. There is many stereotypes like it must be the end of the month so they have to give out tickets, doesn't help.

If you take it to court, be prepared to pay the whole thing but be happy if you don't get tagged for everything.

People with a hole in their muffler get stopped for noise but often get a warning. You either got a nasty cop or your friend must have said something stupid. As said b4, check out your muffler specs, but he is responsible for his vehicle no matter if he modded it or not.

When it comes to documentation, usually you have 24 hours to show up at a police station with the citation and the proper documentation and they will cancel that ticket.

Can't comment on the moving violation because I didn't see it. Every story has 2 sides.

If you don't send in the cash to pay the ticket in time (plead guilty), a notification is sent to the officer that this particular case is going to appear in court. Don't assume that they won't show up, and they will have notes written to document (not sure if there was a dashboard camera as well).

SoNgMaN

Jan 28th, 2005, 11:22 PM

d_jedi

Jan 29th, 2005, 12:37 AM

First of all, it was a 2-lane change WITH the signals on. I realize it was a stupid move, but not worth $330.

So it does seem to be an unsafe lane change, then. Everything makes sense..

BladeX

Jan 29th, 2005, 12:56 AM

pay the tickets......that is why he got them in the first place

gman

Jan 29th, 2005, 12:57 AM

So please keep ure stupid comments to urselves because as the thread title says, i need help! Im sorry that u feel that suped up cars are pointless, you must be the kind of person that not one with the females. I personally dont have any suped up cars, but if i have the money id get one. They look sick and get the ladies and u feel good driving one, and they dont cost much to make em look good! 10k? where did u get that figure?

Am I the only one who find this funny? You need a car to get a girl like you instead of ... because of you. I am not sure how "look sick and get the ladies". Must be generation gap.

Ojam

Jan 29th, 2005, 12:58 AM

First of all, it was a 2-lane change WITH the signals on. I realize it was a stupid move, but not worth $330.

Secondly, THE ONLY THING DONE TO THE CAR is
1. Muffler
2. Lowered
3. There is no 3rd

So please keep ure stupid comments to urselves because as the thread title says, i need help! Im sorry that u feel that suped up cars are pointless, you must be the kind of person that not one with the females. I personally dont have any suped up cars, but if i have the money id get one. They look sick and get the ladies and u feel good driving one, and they dont cost much to make em look good! 10k? where did u get that figure?

And i love that LOUD muffler noise! IT SOUNDS GREAT!! OOOH YEAH LOUD NOISE!!! .... dont feel too bad that u dont got wun!

And btw, ive got TWO acuras .. ya.. ACURAS... so ive already good cars to begin with ... my buddies got a stock 02 civic, Altima and the suped up (if u call puttin on a muffler is performance) 96 civic

again if ure not going to help, keep ure mouths shut! Thank you

LOL at you. Not with you AT YOU lets get that straight.

I just can't resist. I might have been able to, but no.

Makes you feel good? You mean you can't feel good about yourself any other way, you that’s pretty sad...... I feel bad for you know, it sounds like you might have some emotional problems. They get the ladies? So you are admitting that without a car you can't get ladies, it probably has something to do with your self esteem if you need an ugly ass car to make you feel good about yourself. The noise? well if you like loosing your hearing at a young age so much maybe you should just stick pencils in both ears, but everybody else around you has to listen to your fart can, so its just plain disrespectful. From the sounds of it your friend deserved all the tickets he got, lets hope he is made to pay up for his stupid behavior. But since you asked for help, here it is, DON'T DO STUPID ASS STUFF AND YOU WONT GET YOUR STUPID ASS IN TROUBLE! and learn how to spell right, IE: 1 is spelt ONE not WUN, or just use the damn 1 key, it's shorter, I mean if you can take the time to write it wrong, the same length, why not spell it right?!

flame02

Jan 29th, 2005, 09:56 AM

Txiasaeia

Jan 29th, 2005, 10:05 AM

and its a combination of things that gets ladies, not just a car. I said that to make a point to ppl like you that have some ****** car, to envy the rest of us. You dont need a muffler, and thats not what makes the car so good. Its the car itself.

Who in their right mind would date a woman simply because she's interested in a car? Let me guess: your "friend" is currently single, isn't he?

Ojam

Jan 29th, 2005, 10:26 AM

LOL at you too, the one that takes all this so seriously. What about upgrading computers? Ive got a good computer right now, but what about all u that insists on getting the best ... a computer for gaming is even more useless then a car with a muffler ... also the civic looks very nice, what kind of car do u drive? and the car .. again .. isnt that loud. and it sounds niice, not that farting crap, remeber its an exhauste system, not a welded on muffler.

and its a combination of things that gets ladies, not just a car. I said that to make a point to ppl like you that have some ****** car, to envy the rest of us. You dont need a muffler, and thats not what makes the car so good. Its the car itself.

You can go stick with ure Focus, or sunfire or whatever crap you drive, ill stick to my hondas.

as for the comment on other peoples view, i appreciate it, but not these stupid people that try and make a point that the car is crap and nothing else. I do appreciate the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Thanks again

oh and ... WUN

LOL want to know what’s really funny? I drive a 2004 Honda Civic, but have no desire what so ever make it look or sound like a donkey's ass. My computers, one is a Athlon 1.3g with 512mb, and 80gb of HD space, and A Radeon 8500, gosh nothing too fancy about that, the other is an IBM X31 laptop that I needed for its portability and strength, so neither system is out rages, so I don't know what you're trying to say.

As far as envy goes? I think you’re mistaking the stares of pity, for stares of envy.

Once again since your asking for constructive criticism, I'll give it.

Tell your friend to tell the judge that he has (and you it would appear) that intelligence of a Chimp, and therefore are chimps, they can't charge a chimp with a human crime, so you will get off, only problem that may arise is that chimps that do something wrong tend to be put down, but would that be so bad for society? Think about it.

felixdd

Jan 29th, 2005, 11:44 AM

First of all, it was a 2-lane change WITH the signals on. I realize it was a stupid move, but not worth $330.

Secondly, THE ONLY THING DONE TO THE CAR is
1. Muffler
2. Lowered
3. There is no 3rd

Seems like the cop was well within his powers. The lane change was unsafe and the cop probably felt like he had to hard brake. 2-lane change to cut off a cop? Your friend was asking for it -- even if you weren't cutting off a cop or anyone, a 2-lane change wasn't safe.

And when you bring attention to yourself like that, you run the risk of getting nailed for other things. Your friend threw the dice and he lost.

You're not asking for help -- you're asking for ways to leech out of a responsibility that your friend needs to bear. If he's so much a man as you say he is, suck it down and pay the fine.

gilboman

Jan 29th, 2005, 11:49 AM

Highway Traffic Act, R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER H.8

Muffler

75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (1).

Personally, I hate those cars that make excessive noise and don't sympathize with your friend as I live on a main street and have to hear these cars constantly droning along. What's the purpose of putting an performance exhaust system on a car with no performance? All they do is make excessive noise and I believe your friend falls within Section 75(1).

exactly..what is excessive? a harley is much louder than any performance exhaust out there but they aren't ticketed. as long as its not a catless straight pipe its good, the cop didnt have a db meter, no idea what the stock db meter is... its just bs

gilboman

Jan 29th, 2005, 11:51 AM

fart cans are not performance exhaust systems. they just make you POS civic sound like a lawnmover. real performance exhaust sounds good not something you hear 4 miles away. do you hear a ferrari, a porsche, any decent sportscar, no because they have a proper preformance exhaust . your friend's only option is to go to court and see what his option is. if he can some how prove he changed lanes properly, doesn't have a fart can, and actually owns the plate,then he may get off. he'll most likely get stuck with the lane change or the muffler.

you obviously have never heard a Ferrari with a Tubi exhaust... you can hear those miles away... but you are wrong in that performance exhausts aren't loud, less restriction in the exhaust will always be loud. performance exhaust WILL ALWAYS BE LOUD

but i agree he said his friend just has a "muffler" which doesnt improve performance at all..if it was a catback full exhaust then it does improve performance.

flame02

Jan 29th, 2005, 02:44 PM

Tell your friend to tell the judge that he has (and you it would appear) that intelligence of a Chimp, and therefore are chimps, they can't charge a chimp with a human crime, so you will get off, only problem that may arise is that chimps that do something wrong tend to be put down, but would that be so bad for society? Think about it.

Wow .. and ure as intelligent as what? a fly? u are completely out of context there ... my point was some ppl like to upgare their car as they upgrade computer ... whos the chimp now? and i agree with the above about a harley or a farrari and even a performance exhauste... i was outside FS one day with 1 idling .. lets just say it was hard to hear anyone talk, and it was just idling~!

and im guessing u study the sounds a donkey makes? pretty smart choice of words there Mr. IQ of 5

vacitah

Jan 29th, 2005, 03:01 PM

are u sure it was ur friend and not you ;)

Txiasaeia

Jan 29th, 2005, 03:38 PM

Wow .. and ure as intelligent as what? a fly? u are completely out of context there ... my point was some ppl like to upgare their car as they upgrade their computer ... whos the chimp now? and i agree with the above about a harley or a farrari and even a performance exhauste... i was outside FS one day with 1 idling .. lets just say it was hard to hear anyone talk, and it was just idling~!

and im guessing u study the sounds that a donkey makes? pretty smart choice of words there Mr. IQ of 5

How shall I put this... perhaps the next time you want to insult somebody about their intelligence you want to run it through a spell checker, perhaps proofread it too? I'm not normally such a grammar-nazi, but spelling and grammar is indicative of intelligence, and I couldn't let this post pass by without any comment.

gilboman

Jan 29th, 2005, 03:42 PM

How shall I put this... perhaps the next time you want to insult somebody about their intelligence you want to run it through a spell checker, perhaps proofread it too? I'm not normally such a grammar-nazi, but spelling and grammar is indicative of intelligence, and I couldn't let this post pass by without any comment.

i would beg to differ... how do you correlate grammar and spelling to intelligence? :lol: intelligence has nothing to do with spelling and grammar

at best you can say grammar and spelling indicates a strong grasp of the english language.

flame02

Jan 29th, 2005, 03:46 PM

i would beg to differ... how do you correlate grammar and spelling to intelligence? :lol: intelligence has nothing to do with spelling and grammar

at best you can say grammar and spelling indicates a strong grasp of the english language.

damn u got to it before i could lol

also it was NOT me that got these tickets, it was a close friend, he's like a brother to me so u offend him, you offend me.

also for the purpose of gloating im in electrical engineering, if that doesnt REQUIRE intelligence, i dont know what does. I dont know what u do or are going to do for a living, nor do i care, but the purpose of this thread (yet again) is TO help a HUMAN in need. Not make stupd (spelt incorrect on purpose) comments about HIS CAR and not what happened regardless of what car he drove, just ignore the ticket about the muffler.

and vacitah, shes so hot eh? lol

Ojam

Jan 29th, 2005, 04:33 PM

damn u got to it before i could lol

also it was NOT me that got these tickets, it was a close friend, he's like a brother to me so u offend him, you offend me.

also for the purpose of gloating im in electrical engineering, if that doesnt REQUIRE intelligence, i dont know what does. I dont know what u do or are going to do for a living, nor do i care, but the purpose of this thread (yet again) is not help a HUMAN in need. Not make stupd (spelt incorrect on purpose) comments about HIS CAR and not what happened regardless of what car he drove, just ignore the ticket about the muffler.

and vacitah, shes so hot eh? lol

In need?! He did something obviously ILEGAL not being mature enough to bear the responsibility when he has done something wrong, would not be considered a Human in need, maybe a human in need of a lesson. (which hopefully he will learn from this) Somebody in need would be the people that live in poverty, and require government assistance to just live day to day, who require the help of our tax dollars just to survive for one reason or another, and do you know what else helps the government help these poor people who are actually in need. Other sources of revenue, which a 330 ticket could be considered, not only that but by taking it to court for something that your friend is obviously guilty of, you're wasting even more of our tax money.

Do you know what the number one killer on the road is, if you answer drunk driving, you're wrong, it's bad driving, doing things like your friends little lane change is what kills people, the sad thing is that they normally take another family out with them at the same time.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2405/is_1_129/ai_86431655/pg_1

Txiasaeia

Jan 29th, 2005, 04:38 PM

i would beg to differ... how do you correlate grammar and spelling to intelligence? :lol: intelligence has nothing to do with spelling and grammar

at best you can say grammar and spelling indicates a strong grasp of the english language.

Grammar is about communication. If you cannot prove that you can clearly communicate with the outside world, then why would anybody assume that you are intelligent? I tend to ignore people who ramble on like our good friend flame02, mostly because their comments basically need to be translated into English, which is usually a waste of time (as this thread has definitely proved). Read on, gilboman, because it seems that flame02 has made my point for me.

also for the purpose of gloating im in electrical engineering, if that doesnt REQUIRE intelligence, i dont know what does. I dont know what u do or are going to do for a living, nor do i care, but the purpose of this thread (yet again) is not help a HUMAN in need. Not make stupd (spelt incorrect on purpose) comments about HIS CAR and not what happened regardless of what car he drove, just ignore the ticket about the muffler.

Engineers tend to have this attitude - "I can't write or spell but I'm smarter than you are," but then they make comments like "but the purpose of this thread (yet again) is not help a HUMAN in need". So we're *not* supposed to help your friend? From the title of the thread I would have assumed the opposite. Do you understand NOW why communication skills are necessary, and why, from this comment, I can assume that electrical engineers aren't exactly bright?

flame02

Jan 29th, 2005, 07:23 PM

Txiasaeia

Jan 29th, 2005, 07:52 PM

all i have to say is that ure arguement about grammar is not making a strong point on how "bright" someone is. When i write in forums, i dont take the time to check my spelling ... OH NO! Please call my university and tell them to kick me out because i didnt spell check!!!!

How about this then: first, the title of this thread is " 3 tickets (traffic/BS) for nothing!?! HELP!" In your last post you said "but the purpose of this thread (yet again) is not help a HUMAN in need." So which is it? Does he need help or doesn't he?

Second, I thought you said you were an electrical engineer? See, when you're not clear when you talk or write then nobody really has any idea what you're saying. For instance, from this last post I can infer that you're just a student and not really an engineer at all. Am I wrong? There's a huge difference between having enough money to go through school and actually having the brains to get a job. Let me know when you do.

Third, when I write in a forum, it doesn't take me any time at all to spell check because (gasp!) I know how to spell in the first place. Amazing, isn't it?

And finally, your friend got a couple of tickets. So what? Instead of whining on an internet forum, why don't you step up and help him out with the cash? That, at least, would be useful.

gilboman

Jan 29th, 2005, 10:53 PM

Txiasaeia

Jan 29th, 2005, 11:35 PM

communication has nothing to do with intelligence... would you say stephen hawking is not intelligent b/c he doesnt communicate well? or einstein is not b/c he sure as heck didnt spell or write very good.

and grammar is NOT communication... just b/c a person doesn't know english or is not very good at english does not make them any less intelligent than a person who has good command of the english language.

grammar doesn't mean anything other than whether a person is good written english.

communication is a very important skill but it is not indicative or intelligence.

but whether the original poster is intelligent is a whole different question. :D

On the contrary, how would we ever know if a particular person is intelligent if they could not relate that intelligence to us? Had we not the technology to allow Hawking to communicate in any way, written or verbal, would we regard him as intelligent? Doubtful. My entire point is that we are talking in a written manner, and that it is exceedingly difficult to transmit the particulars of any idea or thought without being grammatically accurate.

The carefulness with which one approaches conversation is certainly indicative of their personality and, dare I add, their intelligence. If I cared little enough about you to make frequent spelling mistakes and didn't bother to create sentences that made any sense, you would conclude that I was an idiot, would you not? I hope you can see that I am talking about the perception of intelligence and not absolute intelligence itself, which is at any rate impossible to gauge without proper skills of communication. This is why I say that communication is essential - without it, ideas are lost, and without the proper exchange of ideas there is nothing, merely a sea of human minds permanently set adrift from each other.

d_jedi

Jan 30th, 2005, 12:56 AM

and yes he is in need because he again did nothing wrong, illigal lane change was pure BS. If u had gotten those tickets your attitude towards this would change significantly.

OK, you are asking for help for your friend, and I will give it. Your friend needs an attitude adjustment. The lane change was illegal, and potentially dangerous. If there was nobody behind him besides the cop (as you claim) why was he not able to make the lane changes sooner? In a safe manner.

Once your friend (and you as well) understands this, he will be a safer driver. He will have less frustration over being pulled over by police for doing "nothing wrong".

flame02

Jan 30th, 2005, 01:40 AM

ppl i understand what he did wrong, im asking for help in any manner to try and reduce/cancel the charges. For got sakes i know what he did and did not do!

And please Txiasaeia stop writing in this forum, ure endless rands are useless and honestly I dont care what u say ... and dont give me that BS that u dont need to spellcheck, thats just a flat out LIE! I am a student, a damn good one too. Stop trying to ensure ure intelligence without human contact, writing on a forum tells nothing about you, just the amount of BS one can write about onself.

"carefulness with which one approaches conversation is certainly indicative of their personality and, dare I add, their intelligence"

Are u kidding me? Do u have any idea what u just wrote here? Think about it, you are inplying that a first impression is all that matters in a conversation, not knowing what the person truly is. Please justify how the manner in which one talks is proportional to their intelligence? That whole paragraph u wrote there is a bunch of nonesence and any philosipher with good morals will agree with me on that one.

U know what speak and talk in Hindi and ill be the jusge of your intelligence, plain and simple. If you say that the English language tells one about intelligence, why not another language?

aquariaguy

Jan 30th, 2005, 02:33 AM

This is so funny. +1

d_jedi

Jan 30th, 2005, 02:38 AM

Are u kidding me? Do u have any idea what u just wrote here? Think about it, you are inplying that a first impression is all that matters in a conversation, not knowing what the person truly is. Please justify how the manner in which one talks is proportional to their intelligence? That whole paragraph u wrote there is a bunch of nonesence and any philosipher with good morals will agree with me on that one.

U know what speak and talk in Hindi and ill be the jusge of your intelligence, plain and simple. If you say that the English language tells one about intelligence, why not another language?

Welcome to the real world. In absence of any other, more useful (wrt determining another person's intelligence) interaction, the way in which one speaks or writes gives an indication of their intelligence.

If you wrote as you do on this forum in cover letters and resumes, do you think you would receive an interview from any companies?

Ojam

Jan 30th, 2005, 02:39 AM

ppl i understand what he did wrong, im asking for help in any manner to try and reduce/cancel the charges. For got sakes i know what he did and did not do!

So now you say he did do something wrong? What is it, did he, or didn't he. Your title says he didn't (but from your description of what happened it would appear as if he did) But you've also said all along that he didn't do anything wrong, but now you are changing that? I think until you can get your story straight, you need to stop talking.

Since you are asking for help though, I know a loop hole in the system. It doesn’t seem as if many people know about it either. But it's just SO SO simple to exploit to its full potential and knowing it will mean you and your friend will NEVER have to pay another ticket again. Are you ready.......? Since it is just so secret you will have to select the text bellow to see it, we don't want to make it too easy for them to fix this loop hole now do we?

The loophole is, NOT doing things that are illegal, if you don't do illegal things, you’ll never pay another ticket again, I just can't believe they would leave a loophole like this open, but it is. Now go forth, and use this new knowledge!

hrmmm

Jan 30th, 2005, 03:31 AM

can't afford the ticket? tell your friend to sell his car. :D

postpurchasedissonance

Jan 30th, 2005, 08:42 AM

Wow, that's 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back. To sum up this thread, I'll quote Ojam;DON'T DO STUPID ASS STUFF AND YOU WONT GET YOUR STUPID ASS IN TROUBLE!

Txiasaeia

Jan 30th, 2005, 11:31 AM

And please Txiasaeia stop writing in this forum, ure endless rands are useless and honestly I dont care what u say ... and dont give me that BS that u dont need to spellcheck, thats just a flat out LIE! I am a student, a damn good one too. Stop trying to ensure ure intelligence without human contact, writing on a forum tells nothing about you, just the amount of BS one can write about onself.

"carefulness with which one approaches conversation is certainly indicative of their personality and, dare I add, their intelligence"

Are u kidding me? Do u have any idea what u just wrote here? Think about it, you are inplying that a first impression is all that matters in a conversation, not knowing what the person truly is. Please justify how the manner in which one talks is proportional to their intelligence? That whole paragraph u wrote there is a bunch of nonesence and any philosipher with good morals will agree with me on that one.

U know what speak and talk in Hindi and ill be the jusge of your intelligence, plain and simple. If you say that the English language tells one about intelligence, why not another language?

First: If you really don't care what I say, then don't respond. Got that, champ?

Second, you're getting all upset because you think I'm offending you, but can't you see you're doing it to yourself? First you *said* that you were an electrical engineer, which was a "flat out LIE" as you *just* said that you're just a student. You say that you can pick up chicks with your riced-up car, but we all know how much of a load that is, especially since you didn't respond when I asked if your "friend" was single. You attack me because I can spell but don't bother to show any of us the same respect by making any of your posts readable.

Third, "Please justify how the manner in which one talks is proportional to their intelligence?" Sure. If you were *really* a "damn good student," then why would you say "u" instead of "you," or "ure" instead of "your?" We're talking a difference of two or three letters here. Now, either you're attempting to be "cool," or you're simply lazy. Only a kid talks like this, so I'd go so far as to say that you're what, a first year student?

Also, the numerous word errors in this post alone seems to indicate that you *think* you know what you're saying but that you've never bothered to check it out. For example, "rands" instead of "rants," "ensure" instead of "insure," "inplying" instead of "implying," "nonesence" instead of "nonsense," and "philosipher" instead of "philosopher." This says to me that you haven't bothered to read much in your life, since you've misspelled these very basic words. I don't know if anybody has told you this before, but you do have to read textbooks in order to graduate. Sorry, no, you can't skate by with your riced-up car.

This is an INTERNET BULLETIN BOARD. Do you really think I care about how other people feel about me? Half the people here dislike me because of my views on religion, politics and abortion, and the other half dislike me because I keep on posting stuff like this. I'm more concerned about getting my point of view across than whether you, sitting in your phat Honda later today, think to yourself "Now that Txiasaeia, what a nice guy! He made such a kind and thoughtful post today!"

Fifth (I think), we're using English here. If I were to speak in Spanish, or French, or Latin or whatever then nobody would respond (probably because my Spanish, French and Latin are pretty poor), so why would I do that?

Finally, about your "friend" and the car: if you want to help him, loan him money. He did something illegal, and it's going to cost more to fight it than it would for him to just pay it. Tell "him" to suck it up, be a man and pay the ticket. I know it's understandable for people nowadays to try to fight tickets left and right (which is also partly why I'm going off on you - these threads about tickets show up here what, once a week?) but THERE'S NOTHING "HE" CAN DO. Are you getting the impression that nobody wants to help you around here? Yes? Good, then my work is done. Have a fabulous day.

eelfliw

Jan 30th, 2005, 01:17 PM

Am I the only one who find this funny? You need a car to get a girl like you instead of ... because of you. I am not sure how "look sick and get the ladies". Must be generation gap.
Not generation gap.

It's a way to ensure that the girl is either an auto mechanic or physican.

felixdd

Jan 30th, 2005, 02:11 PM

U know what speak and talk in Hindi and ill be the jusge of your intelligence, plain and simple. If you say that the English language tells one about intelligence, why not another language?

Not so much intelligence, per se, but it insults me that you don't bother to spell check your material before posting. It shows a lack of respect. Do you write like that in writing papers to a professor as well?

"Dear Prof...U wont c me in class 2day cuz Im goin to be sik. Ttyl! LOLz"

A friend of mine types to me in MSN like that -- completely vague and doesn't even bother to type in complete sentences. I don't reply him...I don't see why I have to spend the time deciphering something he didn't spend the time to make presentable.

flame02

Jan 30th, 2005, 02:43 PM

"Dear Prof...U wont c me in class 2day cuz Im goin to be sik. Ttyl! LOLz"

Why would i care how i write in a forum that willl have absolutely no impact on my life, like a formal report/essay i will take the time to edit and use impressive words to prove a point. Again you cannot judge someone because they are writing in a forum, are "U" my prof. ? no, so i dont care how i write to you or anyone in this forum.

"I can spell but don't bother to show any of us the same respect by making any of your posts readable"

U claim i lack intelligence, if so why are u continuing to reply to what i say, apparently you have something to say and are proving that you do understand what i am saying. Your third point is useless, im glad you take the time to edit what you write, i type too fast and dont care to look back at this point. (Even if you dont reply to this, i know a person like you cant resist to see what i have written next)

(And what proffesor cares for the attendance of students? This is not grade school where the deduction of marks is applied to absences, not that it matters. )

as for the previous question, My friend is in fact NOT single not that it is any of your business , nor am i. And since when is a car with a muffler classified as riced-up, LOL, your points are stupid and prove nothing?

and how hard is it to decipher "U" and "URE", just sound it out :confused: , how does it show a lack of respect? LOL ... it is an internet language, haven't u watched this topic on Dateline? Im not showing disrespect, i'm simply using a "symbol" (if it may be) instead of a full word.

And again, what he did "wrong" was make the lane change (even if it was safely) infront of the officer. Wrong place, wrong time

flame02

Jan 30th, 2005, 03:00 PM

lol ... looks like they are going to drop all the charges anyways, thanks everyone with a stupid opinion away from the topic, great entertainment .. In fact, please continue to respond.

Txia .. if you dont mind me asking, what is that you do for a living? or education-wise?

googoo

Jan 30th, 2005, 03:18 PM

I'd be amazed if they drop the "no sticker" charge.

You can fight the muffler and the lane change though.

Brent

grant

Jan 30th, 2005, 05:40 PM

but you are wrong in that performance exhausts aren't loud, less restriction in the exhaust will always be loud. performance exhaust WILL ALWAYS BE LOUD.

No you are wrong... more noise energy = less mechanical energy. It's simply physics. Most if not all engines need a certain amount of back pressure to operate optimally, so there's a limit on how little restriction you want.

Our local race track has sound restrictions, yet most of the racers manage to put on performance exhausts anyways.

If a person wants a "performance" exhaust, there are non-loud options out there (of course, it's stupid to "sup up" your street ride anyways). But these kids with "sick rides that attract the women" are only interested in BEING LOUD, not performance. That's why they buy HONDAS instead of REAL performance cars, and why they buy LOUD exhausts instead of English lessons.

eelfliw

Jan 30th, 2005, 05:42 PM

I, for one, would like to know on what grounds are the charges being dropped?

That's the best way to get out of a ticket.

flame02

Jan 30th, 2005, 05:51 PM

That's why they buy HONDAS instead of REAL performance cars, and why they buy LOUD exhausts instead of English lessons.

That isnt true, my friend's in university, and how does having a LOUD exhauste compensate for an english lesson? And what do u consider a "real" performance car?

Im not sure on what grounds, but he went with that xcopper deal.

grant

Jan 30th, 2005, 11:03 PM

Pick up a copy of Car & Driver, or road & track, every issue has a discussion of performance cars. Hint: they are RWD or AWD.

As for your English lessons, here's a starter: when you describe your burpy little honda as "sick", you are ironically correct, one of the definitions is "lacking vigor, badly outclassed"

canabiz

Jan 30th, 2005, 11:36 PM

I can assume that electrical engineers aren't exactly bright?

Without Electrical Engineers in particular and Engineers in general, you would still be living in a cave and light fire with stone

Sorry to say but i take great offense when somebody shows a complete lack of appreciation for what engineers have brought to this world

aquariaguy

Jan 30th, 2005, 11:45 PM

I doubt this guy is an engineer unless he can prove it.

d_jedi

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:18 AM

That's why they buy HONDAS instead of REAL performance cars, and why they buy LOUD exhausts instead of English lessons.

LOL.
:cheesygri

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:27 AM

Without Electrical Engineers in particular and Engineers in general, you would still be living in a cave and light fire with stone

Sorry to say but i take great offense when somebody shows a complete lack of appreciation for what engineers have brought to this world

Im a student first of all, secondly how do u want me to prove it ... by calculating derivatives .. integrals .. circuits .. microprocessors? tell me? Do what engineerers do?

and the word "sick" is a slang term used widely amongst people ~20, it means looks good, or nice. LOL, badly outclassed? I think you are mistaken there, what is that you will or plan to accomplish or even what vehicle do you drive? tell me the truth here because with a Civic, you not only get safety, you get quality workmanship and engineering. What do you see more of, old imports or domestics, i would say imports as they last longer and require less maintainance.

And you still have not given a read definition of a real performance car .. RWD or AWD doesn't make it performance .. eg. mustand, the biggest peice of **** ever .. RWD.

d_jedi

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:35 AM

Im a student first of all, secondly how do u want me to prove it ... by calculating derivatives .. integrals .. circuits .. microprocessors? tell me? Do what engineerers do?
How about putting together a post without grammatical or spelling errors?

And you still have not given a read definition of a real performance car .. RWD or AWD doesn't make it performance .. eg. mustand, the biggest peice of **** ever .. RWD.

What's a mustand? Never heard of it..

Montague

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:38 AM

What's a mustand? Never heard of it..
Must be a new "hip" word or term these youngsters use nowadays! :lol:

Txiasaeia

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:38 AM

Txiasaeia

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:39 AM

How about putting together a post without grammatical or spelling errors?

Now now, I'd rather like to see him calculate a circuit or a microprocessor. It would be mighty fascinating.

d_jedi

Jan 31st, 2005, 01:04 AM

Surprise, surprise. Following the long and grand tradition of engineers who believe they are God's gift to humanity, we have yet another. I suppose you too believe that nothing came in between the dawn of time and the 19th century, correct? You know, before we discovered electricity?

You've read through this thread; are you honestly saying that you support your... "colleague's" statements, including the one from which my original quote was taken?

Engineers have done a lot for society. Without engineers.. we wouldn't have roads, cities, cars, airplanes, computers, telephones, tvs, radio.. (while some of the people who invented these things were not Engineers by profession, they certainly did apply engineering principles.. )

Would we be cave dwellers without engineers? Certainly not. But life sure would suck..

grant

Jan 31st, 2005, 01:06 AM

LOL, badly outclassed? I think you are mistaken there, what is that you will or plan to accomplish or even what vehicle do you drive?

Who cares what car I drive, i'm not the one calling it diseased (er, "sick"), getting tickets, and trying to pick up women with it.

tell me the truth here because with a Civic, you not only get safety, you get quality workmanship and engineering.

Agreed. what do you NOT get? PERFORMANCE..

And you still have not given a read definition of a real performance car .. RWD or AWD doesn't make it performance .. eg. mustand, the biggest peice of **** ever .. RWD.

Oh get real, any stock 8-cylinder mustang will outperform any stock civic, case closed.

You totally missed the point- no car is a REAL performance car unless there's power to the rear wheels.

Crappy drivers love FWD cars though cuz it's harder for them to get into trouble while they pretend they are Mario Andretti on their way to mcdonalds. (Hey, even my car is FWD... so what, at least I KNOW i'm not a car racer).

Try tuning into speedvision sometime and watching production car racing. What will you see? Mustangs, corvettes, camaros, porsches, maybe some audis and subuarus.

If you think your lawnmower-engine-powered civic w/ annoying exhaust is such a hot-rod, why aren't you on the track with those guys getting rich & famous?

[H]ackerK

Jan 31st, 2005, 01:54 AM

are u sure it was ur friend and not you ;)

Time well wasted reading this thread. and yes, this was the only question in my mind...

ItzMe

Jan 31st, 2005, 02:58 AM

flame02,

If you're so convinced that you, I mean your friend, did nothing wrong, then all you have to do is goto court and tell the judge that instead of trying to convince everybody that a Civic with a fartcan is better then a Mustard or whatever you decided to call it ...

Any help would be appreciated, he cant afford $330 for nothing at all

my buddies got a stock 02 civic, Altima and the suped up (if u call puttin on a muffler is performance) 96 civic

If he can't afford the $330, then maybe he should consider:

1. Changing his driving habbits (solves the lane change issue)
2. Selling his "suped up" 96 Civic which should hopefully recoup at least some of the $330 in tickets. :twisted:

And btw, ive got TWO acuras .. ya.. ACURAS... so ive already good cars to begin with

Im a student first of all, secondly how do u want me to prove it ... by calculating derivatives .. integrals .. circuits .. microprocessors? tell me? Do what engineerers do?

3. You could always offer your friend a loan - a student with no less than 2 "good" Acuras could find it in his heart to garage them for a month and use the saved insurance/gas $ to give his good friend a loan? Or you could take out a collateral loan from the variety of outfits that offer them - all you need is your car, no income etc. req'd...

Alternatively, he could use the monies to hire professional experts to testify at his court trial when he goes to dispute the tickets - after all if he's innocent on all charges, so combined with expert testimony, it should be a no-brainer for him to get off...

(i think this cop was being stupid and decided to charge my friend with everything possible)

And since the cop was being so stupid, I'm sure your friend can easily convince the judge to have the gov't fully repay your friend any legal and/or expert testimony costs...!

Of course if he's not innocent, and the cop wasn't stupid, well then your friend might be out a whole lot more money!...

also would <a href=../autolink/redirectpage.php?linkid=24 target=_blank>canadian tire</a> sell exhausts that are illigal?

I'm not sure what an "illegal" exhaust is...but like yu130960 mentioned, AFAIK a non-street legal one can be sold in stores as long as the disclaimers are on it about potential non-legality and/or for off-road use only etc. (that's AFAIK, so may be wrong...you could always hire a lawyer to draft a legal opinion...) -

secondly how do u want me to prove it ... by calculating derivatives .. integrals .. circuits .. microprocessors? tell me? Do what engineerers do?

Yes, do what engineers do ... you're an engineering student, so have your actions and words emulate those of a professional engineer then!

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 07:51 AM

again ... and again, this is a forum and i do not care about how i spell anything. Yes he has those cars, but he also has to pay off tuition, insurance etc, keep your petty comments to yourself. I only mentioned those vehicles on his defence, and why would i help him pay for something he should not ahve gotten.

Txia, i knew you couldnt resist, you still failed to mention what you do?

and you do calculations when involving circuits and microporcessors ... im not sure where u learned otherwise. Unless you think a processor is silicone with a metal peice soldered on ...

And he is selling the civic because cops only look at the muffler, again its not suped up when a $200 muffler is on the back of a car. I'd rather see a loud "riced-out" civic then a cavalier, sunfire or neon (now those are just 100% tin cans with lawn mower engine inside)

Also, anything with 8+ cylenders is performance? whats the definition of performance and how does the number of cylencders matter? ... NSX has 6 and kills a mustang, Skyline? oh and not to mention the RX-8 ...

And i agree with [H]acker, this is a waste of time since what we are discussing does not matter. And again, i did not get these tickets, I SIMPLY ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW MY FRIEND SHOULD DEAL WITH THEM. And dont give me the "just pay for it" speech, because hes not going to cave in.

mbg

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:31 AM

all i have to say is that ure arguement about grammar is not making a strong point on how "bright" someone is. When i write in forums, i dont take the time to check my spelling ... OH NO! Please call my university and tell them to kick me out because i didnt spell check!!!!

This is a bit like saying, "I don't need to signal when nobody else is around!"... if you are truly committed to doing it properly, it will feel foreign to you to make a lane change or a turn without signalling, regardless of who else is around. Then again, I am talking about something a bit different -- I am talking about the ability to spell and write in a grammatically correct manner, whereas you are talking about the cyborg ability to run a spell check.

I am very surprised that you're in university. This is not just because of your lack of ability in spelling and grammar, but also because of the absence of reason in your posts.

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:34 AM

This is a bit like saying, "I don't need to signal when nobody else is around!"... if you are truly committed to doing it properly, it will feel foreign to you to make a lane change or a turn without signalling, regardless of who else is around. Then again, I am talking about something a bit different -- I am talking about the ability to spell and write in a grammatically correct manner, whereas you are talking about the cyborg ability to run a spell check.

I am very surprised that you're in university. This is not just because of your lack of ability in spelling and grammar, but also because of the absence of reason in your posts.

did you even read the entire post? Check the page before that quote please

I dont understand why you people insist on continuing to argue for nothing!! I created this thread to get advice, not an English lesson. AND again, if i were to write a formal report, make a public speech or talk to my parents or professors, i would ensure i use grammatically correct and in CONTEXT, sentences and words.

TrevorK

Jan 31st, 2005, 10:18 AM

And dont give me the "just pay for it" speech, because hes not going to cave in.

Then your friend is an irresponsible drain on soceity who needs to learn to grow up and accept responsibility for his dumb actions.

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 10:21 AM

Then your friend is an irresponsible drain on soceity who needs to learn to grow up and accept responsibility for his dumb actions.

When you get a ticket for changing lanes, while signaling and done safely, come back to me and say "Ya im dumb, ill just pay the ticket because i can accept the fact that i changed lanes incorrectly."

Im getting a kick out of all your replies, keep em comming :razz:

AMDr

Jan 31st, 2005, 10:41 AM

One question: If your friend had changed lanes in this manner during his driving exam, would he have passed?
OK, two questions: Would he have changed lanes in this manner knowing the cop was right there?

The answers will tell you if he did anything wrong or not...

gman

Jan 31st, 2005, 10:50 AM

When you get a ticket for changing lanes, while signaling and done safely, come back to me and say "Ya im dumb, ill just pay the ticket because i can accept the fact that i changed lanes incorrectly."

Im getting a kick out of all your replies, keep em comming :razz:

Were you there? How do you know he did signal and it was safe? It is all he says.

Txiasaeia

Jan 31st, 2005, 10:56 AM

again ... and again, this is a forum and i do not care about how i spell anything. Yes he has those cars, but he also has to pay off tuition, insurance etc, keep your petty comments to yourself. I only mentioned those vehicles on his defence, and why would i help him pay for something he should not ahve gotten.

Txia, i knew you couldnt resist, you still failed to mention what you do?

Well, this certainly is a curious development. If you don't care how you spell anything, then how did you mention to not make any spelling mistakes in this post? So you *do* care how you spell... kinda like the "my friend needs help!" and "this isn't about helping a HUMAN" comments from a couple pages ago!

I didn't mention what I did because I didn't think it was relevant to this conversation. If you really must know, I'm a writer and professional tutor. Now, what I'm curious about is how you're going to use this information in order to flame me...

ccubed

Jan 31st, 2005, 11:49 AM

Horary for the cop!!!
Just cos you have an indicator on doesn’t give you the right to go...
I’m sick and tired of people that have a muffler that makes my ear bleed
And you should always have your ownership in the car....

That’s gotta be a nice little 7 point package... Insurance will love you..

LMAO.. In Toronto, the rule of thumb is "click & go".. no one checks anymore.. they all flash their Amex cards and head straight to the 'front of the line'. So much for common courtesy.

WRT the muffler - I suspect noise was the issue.. and if the cop didn't actually 'hear' it, then he may have targetted your friend because, as is often the case, a small minority of street racers are giving a bad rap to everyone else.. and he pooled your friend into the same category.

Suggest your friend head to a cop shop (out of his local area) and ask a nice office if he would mind giving a listen to the muffler and provide some advise as to its legality. He won't sign anything, but I know when I mounted a license plate below the front bumper of my car, I stopped by a cop-shop to get an opinion if it would be considered illegal or not. His position was that so long as it was visible, it was ok. I got his badge number, date etc. If I get a ticket, it may not get me off, but it should go along way to supporting my claim that I feel the plate position is legal.

Anyway, just my .02.

mbg

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:12 PM

LMAO.. In Toronto, the rule of thumb is "click & go".. no one checks anymore.. they all flash their Amex cards and head straight to the 'front of the line'. So much for common courtesy.

Yeah, one click of the indicator when they are already halfway through the lane change. Made worse by the bastard red indicator light. I can't figure out why it is permissible to sell cars that have red indicators. They are too easy to mistake for brake lights with certain driving habits, especially if one of the brake lights is out. And, there's obviously no contrast. Your insurance should go up if you have red indicator lights.

When I buy a new car, this will be one of the highest criteria on my list -- ORANGE INDICATOR LIGHTS.

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:14 PM

Well, this certainly is a curious development. If you don't care how you spell anything, then how did you mention to not make any spelling mistakes in this post? So you *do* care how you spell... kinda like the "my friend needs help!" and "this isn't about helping a HUMAN" comments from a couple pages ago!

I didn't mention what I did because I didn't think it was relevant to this conversation. If you really must know, I'm a writer and professional tutor. Now, what I'm curious about is how you're going to use this information in order to flame me...

Txia, look closely, actually just look (its obvious) at that quote you pointed out.. "ahve" .. proffesional tutor and writer huh? FLAMED BY FLAME02 at least in engineering, the mistakes are mathimatics

and ccubed, THANKS for the advice :razz: finally sum1 with sence and good feedback... notice how there was no (ZERO) criticism at all? You can all learn from him. I will tell my friend to talk to them

i kinda like red indicators, i understand where your comming from though, but the 96 civic has the orenge ones

Txiasaeia

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:20 PM

Txia, look closely, actually just look (its obvious) at that quote you pointed out.. "ahve" .. proffesional tutor and writer huh? FLAMED BY FLAME02 at least in engineering, the mistakes are mathimatics

That's your flame? Wow. One typo in this entire thread. I should be *ashamed* of myself! :rolleyes: Thanks for coming out, champ.

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:23 PM

thats EXACLTY my opinion on EVERYTHING you have written thus far in this thread! are you enlightened yet?

Txiasaeia

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:24 PM

thats EXACLTY my opinion on EVERYTHING you have written thus far in this thread! are you enlightened yet?

Am I enlightened yet? Um, sure?

Degenerate

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:25 PM

http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/lupie.gif

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:42 PM

:lol:

Txiasaeia

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:46 PM

This is how I like threads like this to end, with people posting icons and the thread just sort of dying a meaningless death. Any more replies to this thread must contain the phrase "Quid?"

cheukiecfu

Jan 31st, 2005, 12:52 PM

wow.. this thread is 7 pages??
i didn't even bother reading it all, just read the first 2.5 pages, hahahaha
anyway, i just have 4 things to say:
first, cutting several lanes at once is unsafe and the police has every right to give you a ticket.. if you are not satisfied with it, go to court...

second, if your friend can pay for a suped up car, i think he sure can afford that $330...

third, i personally don't know why get those loud cars that attracts attention, but has no REAL performance to show (not saying all loud cars are like that, but some are)... wait till you go to Asia and see the real stuffs... moreover, people have no reason to modify their car in Canada... there are nowhere to speed/race here....

and FINALLY, i think that "friend" of yours is just you, right? :lol:

PS, i like this a lot: http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/lupie.gif :lol: :lol:

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 01:42 PM

lol i know it may seem that its me that got the tickets, but i assure you its not lol ... i was driving with him at the time.

gman

Jan 31st, 2005, 02:20 PM

lol i know it may seem that its me that got the tickets, but i assure you its not lol ... i was driving with him at the time.

I assume you are in another car. In this case, he has a witness.

Blunt

Jan 31st, 2005, 03:04 PM

lol i know it may seem that its me that got the tickets, but i assure you its not lol ... i was driving with him at the time.

The cop should have gave you two another ticket.
I don't think it's legal to have 2 people driving a car at one time. Sounds kinda gay if you ask me... who was driving who? and who was driving the car?
:cheesygri

grant

Jan 31st, 2005, 03:19 PM

Also, anything with 8+ cylenders is performance?

Oh jeez now I know you're just being stupid on purpose.

Fine, whatever, you and your friend can keep on thinking farty little civics are "high performance" vehicles... for as long as you want to keep getting tickets for your foolish driving habits.

Ojam

Jan 31st, 2005, 04:43 PM

thats EXACLTY my opinion on EVERYTHING you have written thus far in this thread! are you enlightened yet?

The irony is that you keep asking for help, yet from the very first post have been disrespectful (and have shown disrespect for the law) to everybody else, and then you wonder why people are on your case about it....

So lets again look at what you have said. You've gone back and forth about the lane change, on one hand saying that it was legal, and then another time saying that you know it was wrong, so if it was wrong, should the responsibility not be on the driver to pay for what he had done wrong. Why was "your friend" not in the exit lane to begin with if there were no other cars around? Then there is the muffler issue, you say that you find its noise "nice" but what you seem to fail to comprehend is that you are not the only one that has to hear it, everybody around the car has to hear it, you are forcing them to hear it whether they like it or not, and there are laws against that, so that’s two tickets down, as for the plates, why were they not on, and again you show your disrespect for the law by calling this BS, but is it so hard to avoid that? Why were they not on? How long would it have taken just to put them on, and save $110?

Let’s see what we have here.

1.) You disrespect the whole forum, and the people that you are looking for, for help by not caring that your writing skills are horrendous, and saying that you don’t care about what they think.
2.) You disrespect the law, by saying that the offences, which you have admitted within the thread, were valid but continue to call them BS.
3.) You disrespect the officer who gave them by calling him stupid.

All I have to say now is "some people’s children....." :rolleyes:

TrevorK

Jan 31st, 2005, 04:55 PM

When you get a ticket for changing lanes, while signaling and done safely, come back to me and say "Ya im dumb, ill just pay the ticket because i can accept the fact that i changed lanes incorrectly."

Im getting a kick out of all your replies, keep em comming :razz:

He obviously didn't if he got a ticket.

Quit being ignorant.

d_jedi

Jan 31st, 2005, 04:56 PM

The irony is that you keep asking for help, yet from the very first post have been disrespectful (and have shown disrespect for the law) to everybody else, and then you wonder why people are on your case about it....

So lets again look at what you have said. You've gone back and forth about the lane change, on one hand saying that it was legal, and then another time saying that you know it was wrong, so if it was wrong, should the responsibility not be on the driver to pay for what he had done wrong. Why was "your friend" not in the exit lane to begin with if there were no other cars around? Then there is the muffler issue, you say that you find its noise "nice" but what you seem to fail to comprehend is that you are not the only one that has to hear it, everybody around the car has to hear it, you are forcing them to hear it whether they like it or not, and there are laws against that, so that’s two tickets down, as for the plates, why were they not on, and again you show your disrespect for the law by calling this BS, but is it so hard to avoid that? Why were they not on? How long would it have taken just to put them on, and save $110?

Let’s see what we have here.

1.) You disrespect the whole forum, and the people that you are looking for, for help by not caring that your writing skills are horrendous, and saying that you don’t care about what they think.
2.) You disrespect the law, by saying that the offences, which you have admitted within the thread, were valid but continue to call them BS.
3.) You disrespect the officer who gave them by calling him stupid.

All I have to say now is "some people’s children....." :rolleyes:

:arrowu: :arrowu:
What he said :->

aquariaguy

Jan 31st, 2005, 05:14 PM

http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/lupie.gif They are singing, "In before the lock!"

felix

Jan 31st, 2005, 07:10 PM

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 07:23 PM

Oh jeez now I know you're just being stupid on purpose.

Fine, whatever, you and your friend can keep on thinking farty little civics are "high performance" vehicles... for as long as you want to keep getting tickets for your foolish driving habits.

Now when did i ever say his/my honda/acura is performance, you fail to realize that a 4 or 6 cylender can also be classified as performance. Ive seen "farty little" civics beat a mustang, prelude and Eclipse TT, all PERFORMANCE tuned. And i realize you have a very bad steriotype for street racers, but if u've read the entire thread, ive pointed out that its just an exhaust and that its got 106 HP, secondly HE HAD LICENSE PLATES ON, thats what i dont undertand therefore its BS.

Let’s see what we have here.

1.) You disrespect the whole forum, and the people that you are looking for, for help by not caring that your writing skills are horrendous, and saying that you don’t care about what they think.
2.) You disrespect the law, by saying that the offences, which you have admitted within the thread, were valid but continue to call them BS.
3.) You disrespect the officer who gave them by calling him stupid.

All I have to say now is "some people’s children....."

1) You choose to read/respond and i care none for you and people like you. How am i disrespecting the rest of RFDers? I made numerous replys stating i'd like constructive criticism to help the case, not your nonesence that a) I already know (if it makes sence) and b) Im tiried of you whining.

2) when did i call them valid, i stated that i know what he did wrong. this is not admitting that EVERYTHING he did was wrong, you should know how to read and attain information.

3) The officer, like any other person, will take plenty of offences against him/her. Thats just the way it is, dont tell me u've never called anyone stupid or (even right now) disrespect other people by not agreeing with the majority?

All your points are useless to the fast that it proves nothing about me, my friend, the cars we drive nor the incidence that happened.

Thanks for the pointless reply :D ! hope to hear back soon

Same here. Boooo to noise pollution :mad:

Well then god knows if you go downtown you will go on a rampage! What about a motorcycle, a "performance" 8+ cylender car? The G35 is loud too, hey same with a fararri ... what about mustangs? Its too bad car enthusiasts dont read RFD lol, you would then hear somehitng else

felixdd

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:05 PM

You choose to read/respond and i care none for you and people like you.

For a guy who doesn't care what we think about you, you sure replied a lot.

Montague

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:10 PM

For a guy who doesn't care what we think about you, you sure replied a lot.
It is not him who is replying but his "friend". :lol:

aquariaguy

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:14 PM

It is not him who is replying but his "friend". :lol:

Yup, and his "friend" really got the ticket ;) :rolleyes:

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:28 PM

lol i started the thread, why shouldnt i reply? and im seriouse i ahve no ticket! lol :evil:, im totaly clean thus far!

Ojam

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:30 PM

1) You choose to read/respond and i care none for you and people like you. How am i disrespecting the rest of RFDers? I made numerous replys stating i'd like constructive criticism to help the case, not your nonesence that a) I already know (if it makes sence) and b) Im tiried of you whining.

It would seem as if it is you who are doing all the whining, whining about the tickets that your "friend" deserved, whining about people having a negative opinion about your "sick" cars, whining about needing help for a "human in need" whining about just about everything when people try to show you why, your friend got the tickets, and how to avoid them in the future.

Thanks there neighbour, i love the way you gudge a book by its cover! If u need to know my friend did NOT put this on, it was the previous owner and now hes stuck with all this. Its not that loud, its just when the cop pulled him over, he noticed the size of it back there, not the noise value. It gets very loud at 4k + RPMS, my friend does MAX 3k on city streets.

btw, if ure not going to help this serious situation, i dont want to see any of you bs!

Calling people's opinions BS is disrespectful. Yu130960 was also just trying to help.

So please keep ure stupid comments to urselves
again if ure not going to help, keep ure mouths shut! Thank you

More disrespect

also for the purpose of gloating im in electrical engineering

A lie as we now know you are a student

You can go stick with ure Focus, or sunfire or whatever crap you drive,

Any one with those cars could be upset about that. :arrowu:

I have giving you plenty of criticism (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=criticism) most of it constructive (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=constructive) IE, If you don't do anything wrong, you won’t get in trouble, I would consider that pretty constructive.

2) when did i call them valid, i stated that i know what he did wrong. this is not admitting that EVERYTHING he did was wrong, you should know how to read and attain information.

See bellow.

ppl i understand what he did wrong, im asking for help in any manner to try and reduce/cancel the charges. For got sakes i know what he did and did not do!

By understanding that he did something wrong, you are validating that wrong doing.

3) The officer, like any other person, will take plenty of offences against him/her.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.......

Thats just the way it is, dont tell me u've never called anyone stupid or (even right now) disrespect other people by not agreeing with the majority?

Not agreeing with the majority is not disrespectful; I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

All your points are useless to the fast that it proves nothing about me, my friend, the cars we drive nor the incidence that happened.

Thanks for the pointless reply :D ! hope to hear back soon

Maybe if you don't understand the point of showing respect, (which obviously you don't) each and every one of my points were right on the mark, you just can't accept the conclusion that you and your friend need an attitude adjustment and maybe a nap..

Rehan

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:35 PM

secondly HE HAD LICENSE PLATES ON, thats what i dont undertand therefore its BS.
When you register or renew your registration, you get two stickers...one goes on your license plate, and the other on the ownership paper. That second sticker is what was missing, from the sounds of it.

Also, does the ticket for the exhaust actually say it was because it's too loud? If it just said that it's illegal, there could be other reasons for it.

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 08:58 PM

CSR

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:06 PM

lol i started the thread, why shouldnt i reply? and im seriouse i ahve no ticket! lol :evil:, im totaly clean thus far!

O jeebus, you make yourself look bad with ever post.

Rehan

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:11 PM

From http://www.lowertheboom.org/links/v01_quebec.html :

In Quebec anything non-oem is considered ILLEGAL!
Modified car exhaust systems lighten drivers' wallets
$1,200 alteration costs Civic owners $138 fine
Dave Rogers, The Ottawa Citizen

A Gatineau judge has fined 12 car owners, mostly the drivers of Honda Civics, for using performance exhaust systems that create too much noise.

Justice Georges Benoit ruled that Surete du Quebec officers could use their own judgment and a ruler to determine whether car owners are using non-standard mufflers. Each driver had to pay a $100 ticket plus $38 in costs.

Sgt. Marc Ippersiel said yesterday police stopped the drivers last summer on Highways 5 and 50, after they noticed what appeared to be high-performance exhaust systems. He said officers used a 76-centimetre ruler to determine whether the mufflers contained baffles.
If the entire ruler could be inserted into the pipe, police issued a ticket because the car had a modified exhaust system.

Sgt. Ippersiel said the drivers argued in court that police couldn't determine the decibel level of the exhaust systems without special equipment. The judge ruled that all the police had to do was prove that the cars were equipped with modified exhaust systems.
"You can't enter a normal muffler with a straight stick," Sgt. Ippersiel said. "If the stick passes through the pipe, it proves the car has a straight exhaust.

"Mostly it is Honda Civics that are modified by owners. It is like a fashion trend. When drivers buy this equipment at speed shops, they aren't told it is illegal."

Lee Burke of Ottawa, who drives a 1994 Civic equipped with a $1,200, "52-state legal" performance exhaust system, has been ticketed twice by police in Ontario and Quebec. "I was driving down Highway 5 near Chelsea when the police stopped me," Mr. Burke said. "I don't think this is fair because big trucks, Harley-Davidson motorcycles and OC Transpo buses produce more noise.

"This is a campaign against performance cars and any kind of street racing. But I use the car for drag racing at tracks, not on the street."
Ontario Provincial Police Const. Eric Booth said drivers can be fined $110 in Ontario for causing unnecessary noise by using a performance muffler, playing the car stereo too loudly or squealing the tires.

"Loud mufflers are an ongoing problem in built-up areas," Const. Booth said. "These are modified street cars -- mostly imports the drivers say are not for racing. The drivers have a little more pride in their cars and will put money into modifying them."

In many places, the cop can issue a ticket if he deems the exhaust to be louder than the OEM exhaust. If it's noticeably louder, then there's no need to measure it.

webdoctors

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:16 PM

whats with all the off topic posts, i kno dis was posted in the OT forum but seriously, this is a DEALS website, da dude wantz to kno how to get outta a ticket , quit pouncing on him, ok so his muffler might be loud and annoying, I hate loud mufflers too, but its not like a DUI charge he trying to get outta, I hate those big ass trailer trukc wid toxic exhaust too, anyways after reading through 8 pages of crap, I am still curious.

1. I can see now why U/ya friend whatever got the unsafe lane change, fat a$$ would attract the cops attention and changing 2 lanes probably scared da cop.

2. The modified muffler? Fight it in court, seems suspicious, used to have a friend who would get pulled over for having a normal OEM car bought straight from the car dealership because cops thought the body was modified illegally, the headlights illegal etc. etc. (even though he spent about $0 on mods) it was an s2000 by da way.

3. that plate sticker thing seems shady, I would hate to get nailed $110 for not having that sticker, bring the sticker to court or the police station and plead wid da judge, maybe he will feel sorry for U. Within the law they probably are legally able to give U da ticket but seems like a rip for not having the plate sticker, not like the car was stolen or involved in an accident or your friend didnt have his license.

Defenitely do go to court, at the very minimum one of the charges could be dropped which could be a day's income. XCopper might be expensive tho, if ya friend did use em, how much they charge?

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:20 PM

yeas, someone with sence and good opinions :arrowu: , this is the kind of help i need! dont care if you flame the car, but give me advice lol .. even though i thinks its gunna be over soon for my friend .. as i said 10010 posts ago .. hes goin to that xcopper deal (not sure how much $)

and S2000's are performance cars btw ... 4 or 6 banger .. cant remember .. i think 4? ya rehan i read the same site ... lol .. never knew that .. is it differenct in ontario?

Ojam

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:21 PM

Man i dont have time for u anymore, Ojam, you are going way too far with this. Please read my words carefully before responding.

"Quote:
Originally Posted by flame02
2) when did i call them valid, i stated that i know what he did wrong. this is not admitting that EVERYTHING he did was wrong, you should know how to read and attain information.

See bellow.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flame02
ppl i understand what he did wrong, im asking for help in any manner to try and reduce/cancel the charges. For got sakes i know what he did and did not do!"

Yeah and? read it ... i didnt clarify what he did wrong did i? It could be driving a civic, turning or even driving at around 6pm with sunglasses on while another he was tying his shoe laces ... LOL

as for the ticket, thanks for clarifying what that was, as for the exhaust, the ticket says somehting along the lines of "a muffler is supposed to dampen should, not enhance it"

Well since the whole thread is about 3 tickets, the conclusion can be made that when talking about a wrong doing, you are talking about all three, without specification to one; it is safe to conclude you are referring to all three when talking about them. It would be best to clarify what ones you are referring too if you don't want that to happen, so yet again, it comes down to being able to communicate your ideas.

"a muffler is supposed to dampen should, not enhance it"

Your exhaust should dampen the noise, not enhance it, if you can't understand that, then........

flame02

Jan 31st, 2005, 09:22 PM

and then this .... lol :arrowu:

i thought the stupid comments were done with

weedb0y

Feb 1st, 2005, 01:22 AM

Do this,

First of all, get the court date. Send a snailmail REGISTERED letter requesting DISCLOSURE for the tickets. Basically, that outlines what the officer has as evidence to prove his case.

Most of the times, they don't have sufficent evidence to prove anything. They might not respond to you and you have prove that sent the request. You can then call for a motion that regards WITHHELDING EVIDENCE infront of the judge. Judge might just throw the tickets away.

Your DISCLOSURE also tells you how to go with your case. How to present the information so that it causes doubt in JP's (Justice of Peace)'s mind.

BTW, I had gotten a speeding ticket a while ago, I had asked for help on this board and people were too busy trying to make me feel like an a$$h0le for 15 over the limit. My only ticket in my life. Luckily, I had it dropped by fighting it. This board is useless for real advice at times. Too many kids.

d_jedi

Feb 1st, 2005, 03:54 AM

thats what i dont undertand therefore its BS.

You don't understand something, therefore it's BS. Great reasoning! Perhaps instead of immediately judging it to be "BS" you should read the constructive posts of other RFDers who are trying to help you understand.

In summary:
1) The lane change was illegal, therefore you were rightfully charged with that. As another poster asked (which you did not answer), if your friend had performed such a maneuver on a driving test.. would he have passed? Would he have made such a lane change, knowing that a police officer was behind him?
2) See Rehan's post about the muffler. And what the ticket says should be self explanatory.. a muffler is designed to reduce the noise, not enhance it.. how difficult is that to understand? It's not "BS".
3) The sticker one is petty.. but technically valid. I wonder what your friend's attitude was towards the cop when he was first pulled over.. surely, as an electrical engineering (student), you must know the phrase "garbage in, garbage out".. IE you give the cop a hard time, he responds in kind.

grant

Feb 1st, 2005, 12:58 PM

Any one with those cars could be upset about that. :arrowu:

Maybe I would be... except my cavalier can carry me+bikes to the track as fast as any civic... and with absolutely 0 tickets.

The last laugh, my friend!

actng

Feb 1st, 2005, 01:09 PM

I don't understand why we don't just sticky the one long post i posted several months back that pretty much answers all these questions. and then lock up all n00b speeding ticket questions. the questions are always the same "what do i do??" and the answers are always the same. get disclosure!

iamthehub

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:04 PM

LOL at you. Not with you AT YOU lets get that straight.

I just can't resist. I might have been able to, but no.

Makes you feel good? You mean you can't feel good about yourself any other way, you that’s pretty sad...... I feel bad for you know, it sounds like you might have some emotional problems. They get the ladies? So you are admitting that without a car you can't get ladies, it probably has something to do with your self esteem if you need an ugly ass car to make you feel good about yourself. The noise? well if you like loosing your hearing at a young age so much maybe you should just stick pencils in both ears, but everybody else around you has to listen to your fart can, so its just plain disrespectful. From the sounds of it your friend deserved all the tickets he got, lets hope he is made to pay up for his stupid behavior. But since you asked for help, here it is, DON'T DO STUPID ASS STUFF AND YOU WONT GET YOUR STUPID ASS IN TROUBLE! and learn how to spell right, IE: 1 is spelt ONE not WUN, or just use the damn 1 key, it's shorter, I mean if you can take the time to write it wrong, the same length, why not spell it right?!

AMEN!!!

iamthehub

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:17 PM

all i have to say is that ure arguement about grammar is not making a strong point on how "bright" someone is. When i write in forums, i dont take the time to check my spelling ... OH NO! Please call my university and tell them to kick me out because i didnt spell check!!!!

and yes he is in need because he again did nothing wrong, illigal lane change was pure BS. If u had gotten those tickets your attitude towards this would change significantly.

I find it funny that a thread that says help has people like u making ure pointless comments in it. OH CRAP I PUT URE INSTEAD OF YOUR, damnit~!

You might not care about your grammar or spelling on RFD, but when you get into the REAL world, it matters. You can be the most intellectual individual on the planet, but if you can't articulate your thoughts or ideas you will probably be left behind, and others will just think you're the villiage idiot.

Have you ever seen a CEO or VP spell words like: 'wun', 'ure', 'ppl' or 'spelt'???? You might be a young hotshot engineering student, but here in the real world, no one would take your ideas seriously with grammar like that.

Xtahse

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:31 PM

It' end of the month man. stupid police need to meet their quota of the ticket

i also got 3 tickets too at once. but mine was even more dumb

"unnessary noise" - $110
"obstacle plate" - $110
"speeding 102 in 60 zone" i swear i was doing 70!!! - $328 or something

this is why, yesterday or 2 days ago when a cop got ran over twice on the 404, i have no pity for cops. they do stupid thing to citizens they are bond to be hate by us! we work hard for our money, they just take it away within 10 seconds writing some BS violation we did.

like obstacle plate? come on its the f* winter, plate gets dirty!

anyways, as for the guy who got 3 tickets too.
you can 1. plead guilty for the exhaust and just tell them you are a student and when you bought the car *2nd hand car* the exhaust came with it, you have no money to replace it yet. the justice will usually lower to like $40 (what happened to me) and they know them cops are ***** to import car drivers. becoz she asked me what kind of car do you have, and i didn't even complete my sentence, i said Hon.. then she ssaid ok, figured.

as for the unsafe lane changes, you might have to get a ticket fighter ppl to fight for you, or you can do this in court, but i dont think the judge will beleive you. (if the cop shows up that is)

and for the didn't have the ownership portion, you can plea guilty too and get the fine reduced.

as for the insurance. minor convictions won't effect your insruance, such as didn't carry insruance slip, or exhaust.

oh, exhaust ticket can be written different, i've had "improper muffler" before, and this time i got 'unneassry noise". all exhaust arent street legal, all-tho you can buy them at crappy tires but still. police usually don't care about them because everybody has them but the odd time when they are piss or didn't get enuff sex they will bust you for it. oh yea tell your friend to pop back in the silencer! usually cop bust ppl with LOUD exhaust. i have 5zigen fireball, i've only got busted twice in 3 years? and i kno this time the cop was being a DICK!

if your friend want, see if he can come out with $200? coz i'm taking this to my laywer to fight it and if i bring my laywer another 3 ticket to fight maybe together he will give bigger discounts.

good luck to you

iamthehub

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:39 PM

And you still have not given a read definition of a real performance car .. RWD or AWD doesn't make it performance .. eg. mustand, the biggest peice of **** ever .. RWD.

Sure it does!!! All race cars are RWD. F1, Indy, even Nascar are REAR WHEEL DRIVE! If you don't believe me, look it up.

If it didn't make a difference, don't you think Michael Schumacher's F1 Ferrari would be FWD? FWD is cheaper to build! But FWD is inferior to RWD.

Why? I could spend alot more time trying to explain, but it has to do with weight and traction. Google it, and you might learn something.

BTW, Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Ferrari, Porsche, etc.. are all RWD. Civics, Neons, Corollas are all FWD... See a trend here?

Rokkin

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:40 PM

One thing I didn't notice after reading 9 pages(!!!)...and maybe it was in there because I admit I skimmed through most of the flaming, as funny as some of it was. Your friend got 3 tickets which he just seemed to accept at face value. The cop said "unsafe lane change" , but did your friend question it?? Did he ask, "why do you consider it unsafe?" "Did I not signal...was it because I crossed two lanes at one time without a significant pause after the first lane change..etc, etc". Same goes for the other offenses he was given tickets for. Questions aren't stupid.
You said that you were with your friend when he got the ticket. I'm not sure if it was clarified if you were actually IN the car or driving a separate car (I got distracted by the "who was driving who comment"...hilarious!!). Anyway, if you were in the car, you could've asked questions too.
The plate sticker thing will probably get tossed IF your friend can produce his original plate portion of the owndership with a matching valid sticker. The other stuff might get reduced....might. Court is always a gamble.

SoNgMaN

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:51 PM

s2000 = car with a motorcycle engine. yes it's a preformance car and it doesn't sound like a fart canned civic. it sounds more like a crotch rocket.
a mustand will own a civic with comparable setups i don't care how big a snail you try to put under a civic hood if the cars are comparable mustand wins. and as for the preformance exhausts being loud. real preformance exhausts aren't that loud sure at 5000-6000RPM they are fairly audible but they don't sound like a lawn mover at 1-5000RPM

felixdd

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:53 PM

Sure it does!!! All race cars are RWD. F1, Indy, even Nascar are REAR WHEEL DRIVE! If you don't believe me, look it up.

Except rally cars. A lot of them are 4WD now.

Are GT cars RWD or 4WD?

d_jedi

Feb 1st, 2005, 02:55 PM

usually cop bust ppl with LOUD exhaust. i have 5zigen fireball, i've only got busted twice in 3 years? and i kno this time the cop was being a DICK!

*only* twice? Some people never learn..

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this"
"THEN STOP DOING IT!!"

flame02

Feb 1st, 2005, 03:16 PM

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this"
"THEN STOP DOING IT!!"

"Doctr i broke my arm "
"Then dont brake it!"

s2000 = car with a motorcycle engine. yes it's a preformance car and it doesn't sound like a fart canned civic. ... real preformance exhausts aren't that loud sure at 5000-6000RPM they are fairly audible but they don't sound like a lawn mover at 1-5000RPM

Not true at all .. tehy sound very nice at any speeds? ... and 1-5000? It idles at ~600 and no vehicle runs at 1 rpm fool. And who said anything about it sounding like a fart canon? u havent heard it so dont judge.

Your friend got 3 tickets which he just seemed to accept at face value. The cop said "unsafe lane change" , but did your friend question it?? Did he ask, "why do you consider it unsafe?" "Did I not signal...was it because I crossed two lanes at one time without a significant pause after the first lane change..etc, etc". Same goes for the other offenses he was given tickets for. Questions aren't stupid.

My friend simply did not wat to argue, and he was VERY polite .. too polite .. kinda like gettin ****d in the nuts and saying thanks.

If it didn't make a difference, don't you think Michael Schumacher's F1 Ferrari would be FWD? FWD is cheaper to build! But FWD is inferior to RWD....

Have you ever seen a CEO or VP spell words like: 'wun', 'ure', 'ppl' or 'spelt'???? You might be a young hotshot engineering student, but here in the real world, no one would take your ideas seriously with grammar like that.

You are talking about cars that are <$100000 ... a civic is ~25000, an S2000 ~45000 ... dont talk like that unless you have one to compare the civic to. Again this is a pointless arguement becuase i never said that the civic was performance, just simply stating that a FWD car can be performance.

As for the second part, i though i explained that when i speak to people with authority, i show respect and use proper words .. U are just being stupid by writing that ... lol

You don't understand something, therefore it's BS. Great reasoning! Perhaps instead of immediately judging it to be "BS" you should read the constructive posts of other RFDers who are trying to help you understand.

U obviously cant read because i stated to all thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and posts multiple times ... please stop typing now, you cant read properly and jump to conclusions ...

All the ppl that ive called stupid etc, there is a reason for it. Do u seriously think you can type that stuff and think i will care? This thread was made to help, not show how much of an a$shole you ppl can be. Thanks for comming out anyways and giving me a laugh

Thanks to all that gave me and my friend real advice ... let the stupid comments stop now PLEASE, i never started by calling you an id1ot so dont call me one (replace id1ot with any other word if you will)

SoNgMaN

Feb 1st, 2005, 03:32 PM

Not true at all .. tehy sound very nice at any speeds? ... and 1-5000? It idles at ~600 and no vehicle runs at 1 rpm fool. And who said anything about it sounding like a fart canon? u havent heard it so dont judge.

1000-5000 i'm sorry you don't comprehend engrish. if his car had a proper exhaust it wouldn't sound like a fart can and he wouldn't get a ticket. S2000 idles a LOT higher then 600rpm and at idle you should hardly hear a car with proper exhaust. preformance or OEM.

flame02

Feb 1st, 2005, 03:49 PM

1000-5000 i'm sorry you don't comprehend engrish. if his car had a proper exhaust it wouldn't sound like a fart can and he wouldn't get a ticket. S2000 idles a LOT higher then 600rpm and at idle you should hardly hear a car with proper exhaust. preformance or OEM.

Nope, not true, S2000 idles below 1200 rpms, thats not A LOT higher then 600 considering the redline is ~9000 rpms .. oh and the NSZ lol ... redline at 12000 rpms!!! DAMN!

d_jedi

Feb 1st, 2005, 03:49 PM

"Doctr i broke my arm "
"Then dont brake it!"
Gah?

U obviously cant read because i stated to all thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and posts multiple times ... please stop typing now, you cant read properly and jump to conclusions ...
And we've already seen you can't write (all's it would take is one message where you don't make glaring spelling/grammatical errors.. ), but that's beside the point.

Well, I consider my advice to be "constructive" and not "stupid".. and whether or not you agree with me, ignore it at your own peril. I've had enough.. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, as they say...

flame02

Feb 1st, 2005, 03:52 PM

Well, I consider my advice to be "constructive" and not "stupid".. and whether or not you agree with me, ignore it at your own peril. I've had enough.. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, as they say...

Good for you because i've read nothing constuctive about your rants about how his car/my intelligence is ... and ignore at my own peril? Good choice of words ... ignore at my own risk of harm or death? uh huh .. i undertand how that fits

LOL, you have had enough .. good stop now! thanks

SoNgMaN

Feb 1st, 2005, 04:01 PM

Nope, not true, S2000 idles below 1200 rpms, thats not A LOT higher then 600 considering the redline is ~9000 rpms .. oh and the NSZ lol ... redline at 12000 rpms!!! DAMN!

i bet it idles between 900 and 1000 rpm and guess what 50% is a pretty BIG difference. and redline is 8000 RPM as is the NSX if that is wtf you are talking about you seem to know very little about cars.

Efx

Feb 1st, 2005, 04:09 PM

Here (http://www.hondaprelude.to/forums/showthread.php?t=10375) is the link to some good reading material about fighting the tickets yourself. Good luck.

iamthehub

Feb 1st, 2005, 04:16 PM

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You are talking about cars that are <$100000 ... a civic is ~25000, an S2000 ~45000 ... dont talk like that unless you have one to compare the civic to. Again this is a pointless arguement becuase i never said that the civic was performance, just simply stating that a FWD car can be performance.

As for the second part, i though i explained that when i speak to people with authority, i show respect and use proper words .. U are just being stupid by writing that ... lol

You make me laugh.

1. REAL PERFORMANCE cars are NOT FWD. Acura's and Preludes are NOT REAL performance vehicles. Say what you want, but anyone who know's cars will tell you FWD cannot possibly achieve the same performance as RWD. That's not to say that FWD can't be nice driving cars, but if you want real performance, RWD is the way to go. You say that I'm comparing apples to oranges when I'm comparing MB and Civics... Well, there is a reason for this - the cost of making a RWD is far more expensive than FWD. So if it's so much more expensive, then why do BMW and MB waste their time with RWD, why don't they just goto FWD like 90% of the vehicles out there? Answer: PERFORMANCE.

2. You say you use 'proper words' with people of respect and authority... Well, anyone with any class would use 'proper words' all the time, even for people like you.

You're an engineering student right? Well, who knows, maybe you'll be sitting across from me in your next job interview. And then I'd like to see how you use 'proper words'...

felixdd

Feb 1st, 2005, 04:28 PM

How can this:
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this"
"THEN STOP DOING IT!!"

Become this?
"Doctr i broke my arm "
"Then dont brake it!"

ROFL

"Help, people of RFD! My friend got a ticket!"

"Then don't get a ticket!"

NDman

Feb 1st, 2005, 05:12 PM

Did you guys just get trolled or what? It seems like you are all talking to a wall. Whether he or his friend got 3 tickets, it's doesn't matter cuz all he cares about now is to argue. Have fun :twisted:

aquariaguy

Feb 1st, 2005, 05:15 PM

This kid is NOT an engineer.

In fact, he is probaly in Grade 12 and didn't tell his mommy and daddy he got a ticket yet. Just wait till he gets beated.

"Someone's gonna get a HURT real BAD!"

Montague

Feb 1st, 2005, 05:15 PM

weedb0y

Feb 1st, 2005, 06:05 PM

do you guys have all the time in life? Go out, go talk to some friends/girls..what not..If the guy aint listening, why are you fueling more garbage?

Buddy, this is what you need to do..
Ask for disclosure. Stop arguing about your Rice rockets.

You can fight any ticket by yourself. The lawyers don't even bother with the traffic violations. Those are just paralegals with 0% legal training. Don't waste your time with paralegals. Research and act mature. If you are just some punk kid with too much money and no time to research your options, you deserve to pay all of it.

Now, back to the topic. Ask proper questions and maybe someone knowledegable might be able to help you.

My 2 cents.

Xtahse

Feb 1st, 2005, 06:34 PM

i hate it when people do this. it happens on every forum not just RFD. when ppl tend to ask about traffic ticket and s*. most ppl flame and crtizie "why do you that, why do you do this to get the ticket" it's past! the people that got tickets are already :mad: so stop flaming them.

and quit thinking cops are fair human beings. because serious markham/scarborough cops arent. i'm sorry to say this but they just arent. i think because too much kids in that area drives BMW, BENZ .... etc
they will bust ass whatever chances they get. my co-worker got pulled over driving 63 in a 60 zone. the cop gave him the ticket and told him you can fight this in court. then why bother giving out ticket? waste other's peoples time?

about the exhaust offense. it's not like the dude revs his car in residential area at 3 o'clock in the morning. so what is all the flaming about?

the guy who started this thread got pissed, because he came here to ask for some advice, he told his story and what ticket he got. he didn't get nothing but "well don't soup up cars" or " stop doing what you are doing"

some ppl.. sigh, when they can just shut up and make others life alot easier, they wont. they have to add in that 2 of 3 word of their useless opinion. like my grandma

the guy posted his story, the 5th reply he got was "you shouldnt soup up cars"

i know alot of you think you are "lawful good citizen, perfecto driver" well stop lying to yourself and think you are better than us. i don't beleive that isnt once you were in a rush and you speed. you are just lucky you didn't get caught. get pull over is normal, i'm sure almost everyone been thru it at least once. so lets not make this like a criminal offense pls.

grant

Feb 1st, 2005, 06:53 PM

Ojam

Feb 1st, 2005, 06:54 PM

i know alot of you think you are "lawful good citizen, perfecto driver" well stop lying to yourself and think you are better than us. i don't beleive that isnt once you were in a rush and you speed. you are just lucky you didn't get caught. get pull over is normal, i'm sure almost everyone been thru it at least once. so lets not make this like a criminal offense pls.

The offence is not the problem; it's that these people KNOW THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG. Then they whine about getting a ticket for breaking the law. There would be no problem if they just owned up and just paid for what they did wrong, but no, they have to go and waste tax payer money, and take up time in an already back logged court system to whine some more. Just because they aren’t mature enough to take responsibility for their actions when they have done something they know is wrong, and was caught. What would society be like if nobody took responsibility for their actions, well all you need to do it look south and see all the frivolous law suits that happen down there. I think fighting a speeding ticket should be more like suing somebody in that if you don't get off, you have to pay for the prosecution costs, and with video tech the cop should even have to be there, all they need is the video, that should alleviate the system a bit, and keep people who need to grow up out.

Xtahse

Feb 1st, 2005, 07:06 PM

Xtahse since you think it's appropriate for police to be BRUTALLY KILLED just because you don't like them catching you breaking the law, your opinion is worthless.

Please come back when you have at least a trace of a social conscience.

Did I mention anything about I broke the law?
and Please, since you are such a smart mouth, can you please tell me which traffic law did I break for getting a ticket of "Unnneassary Noise"? please. Did I talk to loud when giving my "worthless" opinion?

god, this is the type of people i'm talking about.

Xtahse

Feb 1st, 2005, 07:10 PM

The offence is not the problem; it's that these people KNOW THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG. Then they whine about getting a ticket for breaking the law. There would be no problem if they just owned up and just paid for what they did wrong, but no, they have to go and waste tax payer money, and take up time in an already back logged court system to whine some more. Just because they aren’t mature enough to take responsibility for their actions when they have done something they know is wrong, and was caught. What would society be like if nobody took responsibility for their actions, well all you need to do it look south and see all the frivolous law suits that happen down there. I think fighting a speeding ticket should be more like suing somebody in that if you don't get off, you have to pay for the prosecution costs, and with video tech the cop should even have to be there, all they need is the video, that should alleviate the system a bit, and keep people who need to grow up out.

yea man, i agreeed with you. if i get caught speeding, i will just pay the fine. unless i really had a legitament reason.

ok, 2 of 3 tickets this guy got is prolly fair. but the 1st one if he really did told his story right, he singnal and everything. then the cop was being unfair. just because the cop was behide him he can't make a lane change? the cop has no right to give him any ticket whatsoever for making a "safe" lane change.

flame02

Feb 1st, 2005, 07:18 PM

i bet it idles between 900 and 1000 rpm and guess what 50% is a pretty BIG difference. and redline is 8000 RPM as is the NSX if that is wtf you are talking about you seem to know very little about cars.

NSX redlines at ~11k-12k ... LOL and when the 8k or 9k is the redline ... 600-1200 idling is not much different

This kid is NOT an engineer.

In fact, he is probaly in Grade 12 and didn't tell his mommy and daddy he got a ticket yet. Just wait till he gets beated.

"Someone's gonna get a HURT real BAD!"

Student number 041219175
Ryerson Universtiy
Program: Electrical Engineering
(ELCE)

And ure such a mor0n LOL, and i didnt get the ticket for the 4th time!! U are one thick person!

And are u Indian, if not done use that quote LOL .. u dont know the meaning

Xtahse since you think it's appropriate for police to be BRUTALLY KILLED just because you don't like them catching you breaking the law, your opinion is worthless.

Please come back when you have at least a trace of a social conscience.

And your opinion does? at least he is making sence

The offence is not the problem; it's that these people KNOW THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG. Then they whine about getting a ticket for breaking the law. There would be no problem if they just owned up and just paid for what they did wrong, but no, they have to go and waste tax payer money, and take up time in an already back logged court system to whine some more.

Again i thought i said i didnt want to hear u on this thread? LOL .. ok ok .. fine .. as i said before knowing what he did wrong and right are at my descresion, just becasue is said he did some things wrong doesnt mean he did everything wrong. AND dont get me started about tax peyers money .. how bout u just go and tell the govt. to kill all prisoners because they are wasting the tax payer dollars ... or what about the cops that just sit there and idle their vehicles ... environment and money!

You seem to be whining the mst here

Did I mention anything about I broke the law?
and Please, since you are such a smart mouth, can you please tell me which traffic law did I break for getting a ticket of "Unnneassary Noise"? please. Did I talk to loud when giving my "worthless" opinion?

god, this is the type of people i'm talking about.

AGREED 100%!

Ojam

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:02 PM

ok, 2 of 3 tickets this guy got is prolly fair. but the 1st one if he really did told his story right, he singnal and everything. then the cop was being unfair. just because the cop was behide him he can't make a lane change? the cop has no right to give him any ticket whatsoever for making a "safe" lane change.

Earlier in the thread he said it was a two lane change, to me that says that he went from the far lane, to the middle (1 change) and to the other side(2 change), so depending on how long it took, then that could be considered unsafe.

Again i thought i said i didnt want to hear u on this thread? LOL .. ok ok .. fine .. as i said before knowing what he did wrong and right are at my descresion, just becasue is said he did some things wrong doesnt mean he did everything wrong. AND dont get me started about tax peyers money .. how bout u just go and tell the govt. to kill all prisoners because they are wasting the tax payer dollars ... or what about the cops that just sit there and idle their vehicles ... environment and money!

You seem to be whining the mst here

Again, with specifics, if you want to argue that he did some things wrong, and some right then you need to be specific, but even from the original post, you have said he wants to get out of the ALL, which means that along with the things he doesn't think he did wrong, he what’s to get off from the ones he KNOWS he did wrong.

Capital punishment costs the tax payer more then Jail, so there goes your argument, right out the window.

Again if you want to think I'm whining, fine, but I would hate to see what you call actually whining, EI: what you've been doing this whole thread.

Hairball

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:13 PM

Student number 041219175
Ryerson Universtiy
Program: Electrical Engineering
(ELCE)

Wow.. that is just clever, university isn't even spelled correctly, AND you post your student number, if it's real that is. I would not post my student number publicly, that's almost like the PIN of your university.

and quit thinking cops are fair human beings. because serious markham/scarborough cops arent. i'm sorry to say this but they just arent. i think because too much kids in that area drives BMW, BENZ .... etc
they will bust ass whatever chances they get. my co-worker got pulled over driving 63 in a 60 zone. the cop gave him the ticket and told him you can fight this in court. then why bother giving out ticket? waste other's peoples time?

The police in this area often DO bust people because a lot of them have no respect for the law. So many people don't know how to drive in Markham, there are those who drive like ants, and others driving like racecars. People just don't understand the importance of road safety. It's a shame when kids these days just drive reckless because they think it's cool. Mind you I'm only 19 myself, but I probably have more driving experience than most people my age, and I take it safe.

According to the law, 63 is more than 60, so really there's no excuse. I doubt that the cops would really ticket someone for that small of a violation, but there's often a more longer story that isn't being described to us.

ItzMe

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:25 PM

this is why, yesterday or 2 days ago when a cop got ran over twice on the 404, i have no pity for cops. they do stupid thing to citizens they are bond to be hate by us! we work hard for our money, they just take it away within 10 seconds writing some BS violation we did.

Sure hope you never have to call 911 ... remember next time you need the cops for anything - if you hate them...you can't call - no matter what!

Last I heard, it's not up to you, or any other individual citizen to decide which traffic laws you want to obey, and which ones you don't - accepting the privilege of driving on the road means you are bound by all applicable traffic laws period...where does it end - you don't like the law saying don't speed, another guy doesn't like the law saying don't drink and drive - so what both of you decide to ignore it and go for a drive? Hope your cars never cross paths...(although making comments like you did about cops probably means that at least some people probably do hope for miracles ...)

If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to get behind the wheel...! Take a bus!

flame02

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:28 PM

Again, with specifics, if you want to argue that he did some things wrong, and some right then you need to be specific, but even from the original post, you have said he wants to get out of the ALL, which means that along with the things he doesn't think he did wrong, he what’s to get off from the ones he KNOWS he did wrong.

Capital punishment costs the tax payer more then Jail, so there goes your argument, right out the window.

Again if you want to think I'm whining, fine, but I would hate to see what you call actually whining, EI: what you've been doing this whole thread.

I beg to differ, killing a guy costs more then to feed, pay cable, cloth etc for ~10 years? Makes sence ... and if im "whining" im doing it at me and my friends defence .. its my thread i started .. clever! And i wont go into sepecifics with you .. none of your business what i think .. and it doesnt help this situation, and yes he would like all the charges to be sropped. This is an IDEAL case though, which never happens .. wow ure gettin smarter and smarter!

Wow.. that is just clever, university isn't even spelled correctly, AND you post your student number, if it's real that is. I would not post my student number publicly, that's almost like the PIN of your university.

wtf, where did you come from ... i said this like 100 times ... i dont care for spelling on a thread! Why dont u check the ID number out smart a$s .. one with out proof of ID and a picture ID can do nothing with the student number, unless you want to pay my fees!

Sure hope you never have to call 911 ... remember next time you need the cops for anything - if you hate them...you can't call - no matter what!

Last I heard, it's not up to you, or any other individual citizen to decide which traffic laws you want to obey, and which ones you don't - accepting the privilege of driving on the road means you are bound by all applicable traffic laws period...where does it end - you don't like the law saying don't speed, another guy doesn't like the law saying don't drink and drive - so what both of you decide to ignore it and go for a drive? Hope your cars never cross paths...(although making comments like you did about cops probably means that at least some people probably do hope for miracles ...)

If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to get behind the wheel...! Take a bus!

The police are also there to help people in need, your point is useless! If a cop hussles you, "Oh thank you officer, i wanted to have a ticket for going 105 in a 100 zone! Ure my hero!"

As for speeding .. going over 40 in any zone is condidered dangerous .. not 10 or 20 ... and people down the 404 drive at least 120 when its not rush hour. You cant compare driving +10 to driving impaired ..

You people make RFD crappy, you need to change your attitude towards people ... (those who just rant and give no support), at least ItzMe made some sence

ItzMe

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:34 PM

And are u Indian, if not done use that quote LOL .. u dont know the meaning

What does being an Indian have to do with understanding a Russell Peters joke...? (and I'm assuming you mean East-Indian as opposed to say native-Indian...)

Personally, I thought the line was quite appropriate and rather amusing :twisted:

Xtahse

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:43 PM

What does being an Indian have to do with understanding a Russell Peters joke...? (and I'm assuming you mean East-Indian as opposed to say native-Indian...)

Personally, I thought the line was quite appropriate and rather amusing :twisted:

ItzMe:

This probably has to go wayyy back. Who made up the traffic law? GOD?~ or. ?
isnt it whole bunch of human beings made up the law? so when the law says speed limit is 60KM/H, it doesn't matter under what circumstances. I have to go 60KM/H. What if you have your univerisity exams that day? oh forget about my university, I have to obey the law, I have to drive 60KM/H. I'm not saying people shouldnt obey the law, of course the law makes society safer but I just hate people act like they are supreme being. I OBEY the law at all times, I'm better than the people who doesn't obey the "LAW". damn, stop it. there are always time you can't complete obey the law due to some reason.

how about in this example, the "law" states if you get hit on a private parking lot, even at the mall. you are off on your own. if the other party refuses to pay or ran off, then you have no other choice but to claim insurance. why can't people call the police and come solve this matter? hey it all comes down to simplicity, other people hit my car, why does it matter where it is when it's hit?

i'm just saying the law is almost all right, but in some point, it has loops because it is still made up by humans.

ItzMe

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:45 PM

The police are also there to help people in need, your point is useless! If a cop hussles you, "Oh thank you officer, i wanted to have a ticket for going 105 in a 100 zone! Ure my hero!"

The guy says that he hates cops - if he felt he was "hussled" by a cop, he can always goto court - if he was indeed dealt with in a manner that was illegal, then not only would he be exhonerated, but it's likely he could win a civil-suit judgement against the police - it happens often enough with incidents like protests and the like - if the police did indeed behave in a manner that was inappropriate, they're punished accordingly...

What I'm saying is that if you're doing 63 in a 60, you're breaking the law - nowhere in the law does it say that if you are only doing 3 over the cop should give you a warning and let you go - it's upto their discretion - if he doesn't like it, he should simply not speed - make it a point to drive under the limit...

As for speeding .. going over 40 in any zone is condidered dangerous .. not 10 or 20 ... and people down the 404 drive at least 120 when its not rush hour. You cant compare driving +10 to driving impaired ..

I'm by no means a professional driver, and by the sounds of it, neither are you! I have had the opportunity to speak with professional drivers and instructors who have tended to have the common opinion that speed *limits* are just that - maximum *limits* that a driver should not exceed when driving in *ideal* conditions!...not when you feel like it - so in ideal conditions (no traffic, no wet slippery weather, etc.) you should be doing the limit, not +10, +20, or + anything else, plain and simple - to do so is dangerous in the opinion of professionals...so if it's all the same to you, I'll take their advice which happens to also fit the law...

If you want to drive 10 or 20 or whatever over the limit and feel you are safe doing it, that's your business - I sincerely hope you don't end up hurting an innocent 3rd party because you felt you were in control ...

I suppose you are a good example of why I'm turning around my opinion and starting to feel like I support insurance co's having access to the "black box" devices in cars when they've been in severe accidents - if the insurance co. finds you were doing 10 over the limit, I'd assume they may have grounds to disallow your claim - I sincerely hope you never have to face a multi-million dollar liability claim because you were foolish enough to speed and get into a severe accident where you hurt other people (or worse).

ericyjh85

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:48 PM

sell your honda and acura, toyota is the way to go.

Montague

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:50 PM

You people make RFD crappy, you need to change your attitude towards people ... (those who just rant and give no support), at least ItzMe made some sence
all you have to do is to take advantage of the forum "ignore list" function. ;)

problem solved.

I beg to differ, killing a guy costs more then to feed, pay cable, cloth etc for ~10 years? Makes sence
actually it makes perfect sense.

if you doubt the statement do any research on the costs of capital punishment in the US.

Xtahse

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:53 PM

What I'm saying is that if you're doing 63 in a 60, you're breaking the law - nowhere in the law does it say that if you are only doing 3 over the cop should give you a warning and let you go - it's upto their discretion - if he doesn't like it, he should simply not speed - make it a point to drive under the limit...

you do know that the speed o-dometer i think has a + - 5% off. that's why police shouldnt bother people that's driving 61 in a 60 zone, nor 62, or 63. because it's not 100% accurate. due to rims sizes, tire sizes.

and there are so much murder lately, police cares more about a old man taking his car to 63 in a 60 zone. yup, because the old man didn't "obey the law"

ok no, it's 62.5km in a 60 zone

Ojam

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:54 PM

I beg to differ, killing a guy costs more then to feed, pay cable, cloth etc for ~10 years? Makes sence ... and if im "whining" im doing it at me and my friends defence .. its my thread i started .. clever! And i wont go into sepecifics with you .. none of your business what i think .. and it doesnt help this situation, and yes he would like all the charges to be sropped. This is an IDEAL case though, which never happens .. wow ure gettin smarter and smarter!

The cost of trial is much more for cases for people that are facing the death penalty because of the extreme costs invlolved in being absaluting sure they are guilty and this equates to about 48% more, But of course with the reasoning skills (or lack of) you have demonstrated in this thread, I would not expect you to understand basic costs.

You want help with the tickets, yet you wont go into specifics about those tickets..... um well sometimes specifics would help, what are we suposed to do read your mind?!

ItzMe

Feb 1st, 2005, 08:59 PM

ItzMe:

This probably has to go wayyy back. Who made up the traffic law? GOD?~ or. ?
isnt it whole bunch of human beings made up the law?

Yes - after consultation with professional engineers and the like who analyzed the various aspects of driving, such as speed, road conditions, type of road, prevelence of accidents at certain speeds, reaction times, etc. and then created speed limits to reflect the absolute maximum one should travel at in *ideal* conditions (ie minimal traffic, optimum weather, etc.)

so when the law says speed limit is 60KM/H, it doesn't matter under what circumstances. I have to go 60KM/H. What if you have your univerisity exams that day? oh forget about my university, I have to obey the law, I have to drive 60KM/H.

Yes - absolutely you have to obey the law. If you feel University exams are a legitamite excuse to speed, then you can use the excuse in court. I personally don't, and make it a point to leave extremely early whenever I have anything like exams, interviews, big meetings, or whatever else...how is it worth it to speed and risk an accident or worse hurting an innocent person ... if you can't find a way to leave your house say an hour early on exam day to make sure you won't have to speed, then that's frankly your own problem...not an excuse that will fly with a judge (IMHO)...if you don't like it, you can always try to petition to have an exclusion placed into the law - if any student is late for an exam, they can legally speed to university!...good luck with that...

I'm not saying people shouldnt obey the law, of course the law makes society safer but I just hate people act like they are supreme being

If your saying that the people who legislate law are acting like supreme beings, then vote for someone else - we live in a country that follows the wishes of the majority - no supreme being is making laws - those who make them are accountable to the voting population...if you don't like it - run for office on the platform of creating exceptions to various traffic laws such as the afformentioned I'm late for exams exemption...the people will excercize their democratic rights, and if they agree with you - they'll vote for you...

. I OBEY the law at all times, I'm better than the people who doesn't obey the "LAW". damn, stop it. there are always time you can't complete obey the law due to some reason.

Absolutely - there are exceptions to the laws - I completely agree...for example I fully agree that self-defence should be an exception to say the murder law - if someone was threatening me with deadly force, I should be able to retaliate with deadly force and not be punished under the law for protecting my own life...

The same applies to say speeding - there's an often discussed theoretical about a lady whose baby is extremely ill and she speeds to the hospital doing say 140 in a 100 zone - she reaches the hospital in time, and the doctor there credits her with saving her sons life. A police officer arrives, and tickets her with dangerous driving.

Under the law, the officer is likely correct as there is no specific exemption written into the law - however, the lady has the full right to take her case to a judge who will then interpert the circumstances - and I would hope make the right decision to strike down the ticket...that's the way the law and this country works...the cop may have some discretion in handing out the ticket, but I don't know for sure - if they don't, then so be it, they have a duty to perform ...

I would think a judge would look on it far differently than if you say were speeding to your exams at University ...

But that's just me...like I mentioned in a previous post - I hope you never need to face the wrath of an insurance company because you have an accident while speeding...!...

ItzMe

Feb 1st, 2005, 09:05 PM

you do know that the speed o-dometer i think has a + - 5% off. that's why police shouldnt bother people that's driving 61 in a 60 zone, nor 62, or 63. because it's not 100% accurate. due to rims sizes, tire sizes.

and there are so much murder lately, police cares more about a old man taking his car to 63 in a 60 zone. yup, because the old man didn't "obey the law"

ok no, it's 62.5km in a 60 zone

If you have the technical evidence that a speedometer is + / - 5% then you can simply take it to court, and have a ticket for 62kph in a 60 zone invalidated...of course if there's others who have done this, it should all be on record, so a bit of legal research should save you the cost of an expert witness as you can likely use a previous judgement regarding the matter...simple! (the same goes for the radar gone being out + / - 5% or whatever...if it's true as you say, then why is it such an issue with you - just take it to court and show the judge...if its such a huge issue then take it a step further and have the law changed so that all police officers must give a + / - 5% leeway or all auto-manufacturers must make their odometers more accurate...)

Same applies to the bit about rims, tire sizes, etc. - all you need to do is have an expert witness testify this to a judge in a court of law...I'm assuming you or your friend or what not aren't the only ones who've encountered such an issue - so dig up some legal research to take to court with you and show them prior decisions that have come down in favour of this issue...

Problem solved...

and there are so much murder lately, police cares more about a old man taking his car to 63 in a 60 zone. yup, because the old man didn't "obey the law"

Again, if you feel too many resources are going towards traffic enforcement, and not enough towards hommocide or other law enforcement, then it's a matter for you to take up with your local politicians...they control the purse strings - and are accountable to the voters...!

Do some research, come up with the data showing that cops are spending more on traffic enforcement than in other areas of enforcement, etc...and that the money spent in enforcing traffic laws isn't saving as many people as spending it in hommocide would etc. etc. etc...then take it up with the politicians!...

aquariaguy

Feb 1st, 2005, 09:11 PM

Student number 041219175
Ryerson Universtiy
Program: Electrical Engineering
(ELCE)

And ure such a mor0n LOL, and i didnt get the ticket for the 4th time!! U are one thick person!

And are u Indian, if not done use that quote LOL .. u dont know the meaning

First of all, why do you have to be Indian to use that quote? So if u're Indian, only you can understand the quote? Ok idiot.

And secondly, thats not your student number. No one would post their student # on a web site, since you can get a lot of info from it.

SoNgMaN

Feb 1st, 2005, 11:25 PM

Do some research before talking! NSX redlines at ~11k-12k ... LOL and when the 8k or 9k is the redline ... 600-1200 idling is not much different

actually just for you i went to www.acura.ca and www.honda.ca and looked at both cars specs. not badhorse power but a little light in the tourque department. and yes the difference between 600 and 900 and 1200 RPM is quite different. do you even know what RPM stands for? do you even know where canada is? or what any traffic laws are? i'm not going to deny it i speed all the time. hell i passed a cop today on the QEW doing 120. i wasn't swerving in and out of lanes i was following along with everyone else, hell i was even keeping a good distance between myself and the car in front of me. but yeah if you want me to go get the 8000RPM redline specs for you i will just to get you to shut up. maybe i should go write your exams too cause i seem to know a lot MORE than YOU. :rolleyes:

ruzzell peterz ownzors uz allz

flame02

Feb 2nd, 2005, 12:31 PM

actually just for you i went to www.acura.ca and www.honda.ca and looked at both cars specs. not badhorse power but a little light in the tourque department. and yes the difference between 600 and 900 and 1200 RPM is quite different. do you even know what RPM stands for? do you even know where canada is? or what any traffic laws are? i'm not going to deny it i speed all the time. hell i passed a cop today on the QEW doing 120. i wasn't swerving in and out of lanes i was following along with everyone else, hell i was even keeping a good distance between myself and the car in front of me. but yeah if you want me to go get the 8000RPM redline specs for you i will just to get you to shut up. maybe i should go write your exams too cause i seem to know a lot MORE than YOU. :rolleyes:

ruzzell peterz ownzors uz allz

Ignoring the resot of the flames i want to focus on this one for a sec

RPM= rotations per minute
Canada=Northwestern hemisphere, North America above the US
Traffic Law=be specific? you want me to state any? heres one ... obey the maximum speed indicated on city streets, highways and freeways.. LOL??

And how does car specs have ANYTHING to do with the severe competition in any engineering course? you must be the idiot becuse tell me this, define (with out looking it up) an integral or derivative? just define it .. once you get that, solve this: HINT you use integrals do find distance from velocity
S=Intagral ^=power x=variable 2=TWO

S 2x^2 + 2= ?

Thats about the EASIEST integral ever! Please post ure answer then i can get further into it k?

Oh and about the NSX, i thought i read that it had a redline of ~11k .. w/e if its not who cares, dont get mad casue of some damn redline spec.

You want help with the tickets, yet you wont go into specifics about those tickets..... um well sometimes specifics would help, what are we suposed to do read your mind?!

I ahve already told u all i know, what specifics? you try to be specific on what info you need instead of all the flames. And if im not mistaken you never asked for specifics in the first place geneous.

First of all, why do you have to be Indian to use that quote? So if u're Indian, only you can understand the quote? Ok idiot.

And secondly, thats not your student number. No one would post their student # on a web site, since you can get a lot of info from it.

Yes you need to have some reference to an Indian before "getting" any of his jokes .. same with Chapelle ... hes jokes may be funny, but an African-American would know exactly where hes comming from.

AND CHECK OUT MY STUDENT NUMBER smartas$, get info on it and post it on this very forum. k? thanks

What does being an Indian have to do with understanding a Russell Peters joke...? (and I'm assuming you mean East-Indian as opposed to say native-Indian...)

Personally, I thought the line was quite appropriate and rather amusing :twisted:

I dont really dislike your posts because they are tasteful and informative, but its Native-American ;) and i agree with the last line there.

sell your honda and acura, toyota is the way to go.

Why they are proven to ahve the LEAST faluts, recalls and bad-safety reports. Also they have an industry high in quality because per 100 cars, they have the least defects .. in fact Honda and Toyota are on top ... then its Volvo, BMW etc. AND THIS IS A FACT!! ill find the website if needed. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with Hondas ... if ure a Toyota guy good, dont be hating the Hondas .. they are like cousins LOL

I beleive u meant to say "Selling your Chevrolets, Fords, GMC's and Pontiacs, anf get Hondas and Toyotas are the way to go."

Biggest waste of a 12 page thread!!! This page was make to HELP!!!! BLAAAH .. stop talkin about things that dont matter!

d_jedi

Feb 2nd, 2005, 12:59 PM

I'm by no means a professional driver, and by the sounds of it, neither are you! I have had the opportunity to speak with professional drivers and instructors who have tended to have the common opinion that speed *limits* are just that - maximum *limits* that a driver should not exceed when driving in *ideal* conditions!...not when you feel like it - so in ideal conditions (no traffic, no wet slippery weather, etc.) you should be doing the limit, not +10, +20, or + anything else, plain and simple - to do so is dangerous in the opinion of professionals...so if it's all the same to you, I'll take their advice which happens to also fit the law...

Actually, it's more dangerous to drive below/above the flow of traffic. IE if everyone (defined as having a car in front of you, and behind you, at least.. ) is doing 120km/h on the 401, it's safer for you to do 120 as well, rather than the limit.. within reason, of course.

Ojam

Feb 2nd, 2005, 01:00 PM

I ahve already told u all i know, what specifics? you try to be specific on what info you need instead of all the flames. And if im not mistaken you never asked for specifics in the first place geneous.

Again, with specifics, if you want to argue that he did some things wrong, and some right then you need to be specific.

You want help with the tickets, yet you wont go into specifics about those tickets..... um well sometimes specifics would help, what are we suposed to do read your mind?!

No, you have said that in the three tickets that he has, their *MIGHT* be something that he thinks he didn't do wrong, all you have done though is ***** and cry about all three, if we knew what one(s) he thought he was in the right, then specific information pertaining to those tickets could be given. :rolleyes:

d_jedi

Feb 2nd, 2005, 01:05 PM

Yes - after consultation with professional engineers and the like who analyzed the various aspects of driving, such as speed, road conditions, type of road, prevelence of accidents at certain speeds, reaction times, etc. and then created speed limits to reflect the absolute maximum one should travel at in *ideal* conditions (ie minimal traffic, optimum weather, etc.)
I believe the speed limit on the 400 series highways was more due to the oil embargo in the '70s (just as the speed was limited to 55mph on the interstate system in the US, I believe..)

JAC

Feb 2nd, 2005, 01:51 PM

mbg

Feb 2nd, 2005, 02:00 PM

mbg

Feb 2nd, 2005, 02:03 PM

I believe the speed limit on the 400 series highways was more due to the oil embargo in the '70s (just as the speed was limited to 55mph on the interstate system in the US, I believe..)

If that is true (I don't know if it is or not), are you saying that we are now somehow in a better position to waste oil than we were in the 70's?

d_jedi

Feb 2nd, 2005, 02:46 PM

Generally, I agree.

However, what if you are at the front of the line? Is it therefore OK to do the speed limit? Or is there some excessively fast speed that you must always do if you are at the front of the line?

If you're at the front of the line, you should do the speed limit. I wouldn't doubt, though, if you don't stay in that position for long..

d_jedi

Feb 2nd, 2005, 02:50 PM

If that is true (I don't know if it is or not), are you saying that we are now somehow in a better position to waste oil than we were in the 70's?
Yes and no. Yes, in that the immediate supply of oil is sufficient to meet our needs (which it wasn't during the embargo, so I'm told.. I wasn't alive at the time!). No, in that oil is a nonrenewable resource, and burning it in cars is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions.

SoNgMaN

Feb 2nd, 2005, 03:01 PM

speed limit on the TCH in NB is 110 and has been for many years. at least 6 (on some stretchs), so why the 400 series hasn't gone up who knows. the RCMP in NB do however enforce the 110 more. they'll ticket for 115 where on the 400 series you'd be able to get away with 110 easily.

y > 2
-2 < x < 2

looks like a U

flame02

Feb 2nd, 2005, 04:33 PM

y > 2
-2 < x < 2

looks like a U

Are u joking? This is your answer??? ok buddy, go into my engineering program and write those exams .. LMAO ... this proves that u talk more then u think.

The answer is:

S 2x^2 + 2
= 2/3x^3 + 2x + C

Where S is the Integral and C is some constant

I did not ask you to find the domain and range, and even if i did thats still wrong! And this Integral does not look like a U, its to the third power! And wheres the definitions??

flame02

Feb 2nd, 2005, 04:37 PM

Wow. 12 pages of morons extolling the virtues of riced-up civics and whining about tickets. I think flame02 has all of his 179 posts in this thread. :rolleyes:

Well, since I can't seem to let a good idiot-bashing thread go by without comment, I'll just add a few random thoughts.

1. Buying aftermarket accessories for a Civic is not 'souping up' your car. It's akin to putting water-cooling on a Pentium 100 you have over-clocked to 120. You might as well wear a T-shirt that says "I live at home, earn very little money and have a small penis."

2. It's hard to feel sympathy for anyone who tries to get attention by driving a car that sounds like gerbil farts.

3. The use of proper spelling and grammar lends more weight to your opinions, and tends to make you appear more intelligent. It's very easy to discount the ramblings of someone who writes only in slang and abbreviations. But hey, I bet all your little MSN buddies think you're kewl.

4. If you get a ticket, don't expect anyone to believe you were completely innocent and the cop set you up. It just makes you sound like an idiot. Don't go looking for any sympathy, either. People who try to avoid responsibility for their own actions in a public forum have the electronic equivalent of a 'kick me' sign taped to the back of their shirt.

GJ turbo, are u sure u read all posts on this thread, because i said numerous times that addind an exhaust is not cosidered supinfg up a car. And how is my friend asking for attention, you think thats why they have those mufflers? And again, im not trying to prove anything here, this thread was created to see all sides of the system to see what can be done wth the tickets.

Also people put water cooling for what reason, this is the same as suping a cars. Some people have pride for their ride so they upgrade them, not to be fast, but to look good. Much like upgrading a coomputer to play the latest games

Sympathy? LMAO .. where are u from? the only thing in point 4 that makes sence is "If you get a ticket, don't expect anyone to believe you were completely innocent and the cop set you up." although i never made reference to a cop "setting my friend up"

And ive probably made about 30/180 posts on this thread. thanks for noticing

ItzMe

Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:23 PM

Actually, it's more dangerous to drive below/above the flow of traffic. IE if everyone (defined as having a car in front of you, and behind you, at least.. ) is doing 120km/h on the 401, it's safer for you to do 120 as well, rather than the limit.. within reason, of course.

Point conceded! - (with the disclaimer of using within reason like you have :D)... I've actually had what you said told to me before, but I suppose I conveniently forgot it whilst composing my reply ... :D

I believe the speed limit on the 400 series highways was more due to the oil embargo in the '70s (just as the speed was limited to 55mph on the interstate system in the US, I believe..)

I'm not entirely familiar with this one, but good to know - thank you for the correction ! :)

googoo

Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:52 PM

"However, what if you are at the front of the line? Is it therefore OK to do the speed limit? Or is there some excessively fast speed that you must always do if you are at the front of the line?"

PLEASE, I beg of you, stand on any 400 series and try to find the front of the line!

Good luck!

OH and personalizing your car is different that soup it up, although they can go hand in hand.

The s2000 was made as much to be a statement car as a performance car, offering the highest naturally aspirated horsepower to displacement-- 120Hp per litre offered.

I know that the new s2000's have changed displacement so no flames!

Remember that the Corvette if the best example of a budget supercar EVER, not discounting the SRT4-EVO-or STi of course, but does it have the same cache as a Ferrari NO? then don't compare it to an s2000 that gets WAY more looks at a stop light than any Mustang.

The new Mustangs may change that, it sure is a pretty car! Except for the backseat side windows, they just seem out of place!

Brent

SoNgMaN

Feb 2nd, 2005, 06:52 PM

Are u joking? This is your answer??? ok buddy, go into my engineering program and write those exams .. LMAO ... this proves that u talk more then u think.

who gives a ****? knowing the answer to that isn't going to get you out of your tickets or get you a job if you ever finish your schooling. if i needed to remember crap like that from highschool to do my job then yeah maybe...in the real world 99% of the BS they teach on school will get you SQUAT.

iamthehub

Feb 2nd, 2005, 07:02 PM

Yeah, one click of the indicator when they are already halfway through the lane change. Made worse by the bastard red indicator light. I can't figure out why it is permissible to sell cars that have red indicators. They are too easy to mistake for brake lights with certain driving habits, especially if one of the brake lights is out. And, there's obviously no contrast. Your insurance should go up if you have red indicator lights.

When I buy a new car, this will be one of the highest criteria on my list -- ORANGE INDICATOR LIGHTS.

The reason cars go to the red indicator lights is that it's cheaper to produce than orange. Notice that some cars start out with orange ones, then as the years go by in that model generation, they change to red? The reason is that car companies would rather save $$$ on the current model, and put the savings into R&D into the next model.

The money a car company spends on a car depends on the year it is in that generation.

Assuming a 5 year life span of a model:

1st year: Improvements and bug fixes
2nd year: Improvements and bug fixes
3rd year: bug fixes, and small improvements
4th year: start cost-cutting on current car, and put $$$ on next generation, oh and any major bug fixes
5th year: major cost-cutting

So theoretically, the 3rd year is the best to buy... I know Toyota is like this. Look at the Rav 4, the new ones have red indicators, and the old ones have orange... Same with the Corolla's... In 1994, my sister bought a Mazda MX6. She opted for the 1993 (old stock), becuase the leather seats were better quality than the 1994's, plus it had a better drink holder than the new one :lol: :lol:

I know the savings are minimal per vehicle, but multiply that by the thousands that are produced, it can add up...

iamthehub

Feb 2nd, 2005, 07:16 PM

Why they are proven to ahve the LEAST faluts, recalls and bad-safety reports. Also they have an industry high in quality because per 100 cars, they have the least defects .. in fact Honda and Toyota are on top ... then its Volvo, BMW etc. AND THIS IS A FACT!! ill find the website if needed. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with Hondas ... if ure a Toyota guy good, dont be hating the Hondas .. they are like cousins LOL

I beleive u meant to say "Selling your Chevrolets, Fords, GMC's and Pontiacs, anf get Hondas and Toyotas are the way to go."

Biggest waste of a 12 page thread!!! This page was make to HELP!!!! BLAAAH .. stop talkin about things that dont matter!

Okay, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with flame02 on this...

I've owned 3 Toyota's, and 2 Hondas in the past, and they are the most reliable things... I now own a Mercedes... The car drives AMAZING, I wouldn't trade it for anything, BUT as far as reliability goes, it's nowhere near the Toyota/Honda quality. I've had many more 'quirks' and problems than the japanese cars.

However, in the Benz's defence, the Benz has way more electronics and toys than my Toyotas... Another thing though, considering my car costs twice the price as my Toyota, I have twice the expectation of the car.

iamthehub

Feb 2nd, 2005, 07:24 PM

flame02

Feb 2nd, 2005, 09:54 PM

who gives a ****? knowing the answer to that isn't going to get you out of your tickets or get you a job if you ever finish your schooling. if i needed to remember crap like that from highschool to do my job then yeah maybe...in the real world 99% of the BS they teach on school will get you SQUAT.

LOL know u dont care about intelligence? WRONG on that, electrical engineerers use that stuff ALL the time ... math is all they we will do. OK OK, the rediculus hard stuff no, but this stuff yeah, what i gave u was so easy and we use it all the time.

I though ure whole basis for your posts were intelligence, now that ive proved you to be less then adequate, now u say **** about the tickets, are you going to provide insight about tickets now? please?. U just pulled a 180 here LOL

flame02

Feb 2nd, 2005, 09:57 PM

Okay, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with flame02 on this...

I've owned 3 Toyota's, and 2 Hondas in the past, and they are the most reliable things... I now own a Mercedes... The car drives AMAZING, I wouldn't trade it for anything, BUT as far as reliability goes, it's nowhere near the Toyota/Honda quality. I've had many more 'quirks' and problems than the japanese cars.

However, in the Benz's defence, the Benz has way more electronics and toys than my Toyotas... Another thing though, considering my car costs twice the price as my Toyota, I have twice the expectation of the car.

you get what you pay for :razz: ! all Benzs, BMWs, Acuras, Lexus, Audi, any high end car for taht matter are amazing, any one!

radeonboy

Feb 2nd, 2005, 10:37 PM

Darn I didn't know this thread would drag on to 10+ pages. I'm shocked.

Dude nothing will happen to your friend on the muffler account. Just have the manufactures specs on it. As for the lane thingy, I dunno about that. But seriously don't worry about it, just go in plead your case, and get everything lowered or dropped. Sentimental crap is the key.

I would rather pay the cops to hunt down the bad guys who rape, kill, and harm people. I don't see why they want to get people with "souped" up cars other than the fact that they just want money.

And for the girly bickering about the "suped" up stuff. Some people like them, some don't. If you don't like them, too bad. Period. I mean what can you do other than hate them in your minds. If you heard a car running with no headers, then I'm sure you'll take the sound of these mufflers. They are alot worse than headers that are broken or not being used...lol. And the same goes for the resonators too...I mean get a life people, this thread should have been locked long time ago.

It's ricers vs. anti-ricers. LOL

This thread is saad. :arrowd: ;)

JAC

Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:17 AM

GJ turbo, are u sure u read all posts on this thread, because i said numerous times that addind an exhaust is not cosidered supinfg up a car. And how is my friend asking for attention, you think thats why they have those mufflers?
I'm glad we agree on that. And yes, I do think ricing up a car is a desperate plea for attention. What other purpose could it serve? It doesn't look good, and in most cases it makes the car perform worse than before.

Here's a hint: women aren't turned on by a Civic with a fart pipe and brutal negative camber. Grown ups laugh at kids who drive cars like these. So you're left with what, respect from your peer group? What a hollow thing that is, especially considering the demographic.

Also people put water cooling for what reason, this is the same as suping a cars. Some people have pride for their ride so they upgrade them, not to be fast, but to look good. Much like upgrading a coomputer to play the latest games
Actually, people use water cooling to enable their CPU to go faster. Ricers spend money on their cars because they're under the misimpression that it looks good. It doesn't. (It's too bad you missed the point of my Pentium 100 analogy. I thought it was pretty appropriate.)

Sympathy? LMAO .. where are u from? the only thing in point 4 that makes sence is "If you get a ticket, don't expect anyone to believe you were completely innocent and the cop set you up." although i never made reference to a cop "setting my friend up"
I never said all my comments were directed at you. Have you read the whole thread?

And ive probably made about 30/180 posts on this thread. thanks for noticing
Sarcasm is a little too subtle for you, eh?

JAC

Feb 3rd, 2005, 08:29 AM

I know that the new s2000's have changed displacement so no flames!
Yeah, 2.0 to 2.2. No more HP, but a little more torque. It may even be able to leave a little rubber on the road now. :lol:

Remember that the Corvette if the best example of a budget supercar EVER, not discounting the SRT4-EVO-or STi of course, but does it have the same cache as a Ferrari NO? then don't compare it to an s2000 that gets WAY more looks at a stop light than any Mustang.
<shrug> To me, it just looks like a Miata. And starting at almost $50K, it's just a rich man's toy.
http://automobiles.honda.com/images/banners/2005/s2000/exterior_gallery/photo_01_large.jpg

mbg

Feb 3rd, 2005, 09:09 AM

The reason cars go to the red indicator lights is that it's cheaper to produce than orange. Notice that some cars start out with orange ones, then as the years go by in that model generation, they change to red?

Why is it cheaper to produce? Is red plastic cheaper than orange plastic? The front indicators are always orange.

Also, why do some minivans have orange daytime running lights?

Another bastardization is the recent trend of locating indicators behind the headlights. You can't see the indicators very well in the daytime when they are behind the headlights.

mbg

Feb 3rd, 2005, 09:10 AM

And for the girly bickering about the "suped" up stuff. Some people like them, some don't. If you don't like them, too bad. Period. I mean what can you do other than hate them in your minds.

You can chastise people so that they know it's socially unacceptable, which used to be a rather powerful force until a lot of people started to back down because they selfishly felt that it was better for their health and peace of mind.

googoo

Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:22 AM

d_jedi

Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:54 AM

www.laughatrice.com

flame02

Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:57 AM

"I'm glad we agree on that. And yes, I do think ricing up a car is a desperate plea for attention. What other purpose could it serve? It doesn't look good, and in most cases it makes the car perform worse than before.

Here's a hint: women aren't turned on by a Civic with a fart pipe and brutal negative camber. Grown ups laugh at kids who drive cars like these. So you're left with what, respect from your peer group? What a hollow thing that is, especially considering the demographic."

Just because that is what you think does not make it so, my friend TRULY cares none for his civic, he bought it at a great price. It had a muffle stuck on is, so what? He doesnt do driving around causing ruccus becuase he knows its a slow car and wont perform.

Actually most of the "suped up" cars are owned by adults since they can afford to put real performance parts in their cars. Kids only have that "fat pipe," and again my friend didnt put it on his car.. and hes not going to waste ~$500 to take it off.

When i see a good-looking car, yeah i stare, when i see a good looking suped up car, i show some respect becuase i know the offort taken to make the car as it is. If they spend ~$10000, its their decision, and you or I should not judge why that person has done so.

And i agree with you on kids with those fart-pipes because they think they are all "gangster" driving those cavaliers, neons and sunfires, personally i feel like smacking them upside the head. Now those cars perform less then a civic. The fact is a Honda Civic is a tuners car, since it is so diverse in the performance industry, in other words you can do exactly what you want to a civic and whats in the car will not stop you to do so.

And again, this thread wasnt made to bash cars with exhausts, it was made to .. sigh... yet again .. seek all possible options when fighting/pleeing for these tickets.

JAC

Feb 3rd, 2005, 12:47 PM

As for the S2000 looking like the Miata----HUH? While the Miata's look has improved over the years, the S2000 is a beautiful car and will seriously outperform the Miata on the track. It will still get WAY more looks than the Miata--more cache--yep!

I never said the S2000 wasn't a better car, I said they looked the same. :)

http://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/lrg/05802081000001LRG.jpg

http://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/lrg/04807091990003LRG.jpg

JAC

Feb 3rd, 2005, 01:04 PM

Just because that is what you think does not make it so, my friend TRULY cares none for his civic, he bought it at a great price. It had a muffle stuck on is, so what? He doesnt do driving around causing ruccus becuase he knows its a slow car and wont perform.
He probably got it at a great price because the previous owner cut the springs when he lowered it, and it would have cost him too much to have them replaced.

Actually most of the "suped up" cars are owned by adults since they can afford to put real performance parts in their cars. Kids only have that "fat pipe," and again my friend didnt put it on his car.. and hes not going to waste ~$500 to take it off.
He could probably put a new muffler on for $60 or so. That would have been cheaper than getting that ticket, now, wouldn't it?

When i see a good-looking car, yeah i stare, when i see a good looking suped up car, i show some respect becuase i know the offort taken to make the car as it is. If they spend ~$10000, its their decision, and you or I should not judge why that person has done so.
Sure, but oversized tires, a fart pipe and a 3ft wing don't count. It's just funny.

I had a neighbour who completely restored a Grand National. Among other modifications, he B&S from 3.8 to 4.2, and after-market turbo. From the outside, it was completely stock. Now that is souping up your car - making it go faster, without letting your opponents know you have.

And i agree with you on kids with those fart-pipes because they think they are all "gangster" driving those cavaliers, neons and sunfires, personally i feel like smacking them upside the head. Now those cars perform less then a civic. The fact is a Honda Civic is a tuners car, since it is so diverse in the performance industry, in other words you can do exactly what you want to a civic and whats in the car will not stop you to do so.
The Civic is a grocery getter. It's only so popular with kids because slick advertizing has convinced them they can be Vin Diesel.

And again, this thread wasnt made to bash cars with exhausts, it was made to .. sigh... yet again .. seek all possible options when fighting/pleeing for these tickets.
How about he pays them, and just stops breaking the law?

googoo

Feb 3rd, 2005, 01:32 PM

"Sure, but oversized tires, a fart pipe and a 3ft wing don't count. It's just funny."

Yep , wings on FWD vehicles is just plain funny!

NO I don't think that a Miata looks like an S2000, not in real life anyways!

Brent

flame02

Feb 3rd, 2005, 02:05 PM

He probably got it at a great price because the previous owner cut the springs when he lowered it, and it would have cost him too much to have them replaced.

He could probably put a new muffler on for $60 or so. That would have been cheaper than getting that ticket, now, wouldn't it?

Sure, but oversized tires, a fart pipe and a 3ft wing don't count. It's just funny.

I had a neighbour who completely restored a Grand National. Among other modifications, he B&S from 3.8 to 4.2, and after-market turbo. From the outside, it was completely stock. Now that is souping up your car - making it go faster, without letting your opponents know you have.

The Civic is a grocery getter. It's only so popular with kids because slick advertizing has convinced them they can be Vin Diesel.

How about he pays them, and just stops breaking the law?

They are springs, not cut? You can see the yellow springs on the car if you look close enough. its not a $100 car where u just do **** to it to make it look a little better.

Where do you get that $60 figure? Labour alone will cost ~$150 to replace it. And his car doesnt have a (3 ft.? wtf) wing. oh and the "wing" spoilers were made for imports .. such as the Civic.

And a sleeper car isnt the only way one can sup up a car. Adding a body kit, skirts, lips, rims, carbon hoods and spoilers also count for looks ... id rather have a car that looks good then goes fast because there is always someone that can go faster. btw. looks cost much less then engine upgrades.

Civic = grocery getter? Its not a van or SUV ... its a compact car, and can be tuned further then a Mustang or w/e can u can think of in that price range. btw, how loud is that Grand National?

And as for your last comment, stfu ... if u want to say that dont say it this thread. If he just pays them 1. too much money 2. Inrurance hikes 3. He is convinced that he does not deserve those tickets of that magnitude. I thought i made this clear before.

iamthehub

Feb 3rd, 2005, 02:08 PM

Why is it cheaper to produce? Is red plastic cheaper than orange plastic? The front indicators are always orange.

Also, why do some minivans have orange daytime running lights?

Another bastardization is the recent trend of locating indicators behind the headlights. You can't see the indicators very well in the daytime when they are behind the headlights.

It's not the colour that makes it expensive, it's the process of putting two colours into the same light... On back lights, they sometimes cluster all the lights into the one panel (brake, regular lights, and sometimes the rear white ones). By reducing the extra step to add another colour, it saves money. Realistically, it could be pennies per panel. However, if you add in all the other cost-cutting stuff, it could be maybe reduce the cost of production by a few hundred dollars per car. Then multiplied by a few thousand cars produced, the savings can be quite tangible for the manufacturer.

JAC

Feb 3rd, 2005, 03:35 PM

They are springs, not cut? You can see the yellow springs on the car if you look close enough. its not a $100 car where u just do **** to it to make it look a little better.
So the fool replaced the springs. That just makes it funnier. Ooh, ooh, does he have the 18" rims, too? Does he?

Where do you get that $60 figure? Labour alone will cost ~$150 to replace it.
$150 labor to swap a muffler? Where do you get your work done? Tell him to go to Midas. Here's a coupon for him:
http://www.midas.ca/art/promotions/store%20coupons/coupon2.gif

And his car doesnt have a (3 ft.? wtf) wing. oh and the "wing" spoilers were made for imports .. such as the Civic.
Any idiot can bolt a spoiler onto their trunk. It's just funnier when a FWD car does it.

And a sleeper car isnt the only way one can sup up a car. Adding a body kit, skirts, lips, rims, carbon hoods and spoilers also count for looks ... id rather have a car that looks good then goes fast because there is always someone that can go faster. btw. looks cost much less then engine upgrades.
As always, your logic is impeccable. :rolleyes: But then again, that's sort of the credo of ricers, isn't it? Bolt a wing onto a sewing machine and call it a sports car.

Civic = grocery getter? Its not a van or SUV ... its a compact car, and can be tuned further then a Mustang or w/e can u can think of in that price range. btw, how loud is that Grand National?
Tuned? You can "tune" a Cobra to do 8-9 second quarters. How's that Civic doing? :rolleyes:

I never heard him open the GN up, and his regular driving thorugh the neighbourhood was no louder than any other car.

And as for your last comment, stfu ... if u want to say that dont say it this thread. If he just pays them 1. too much money 2. Inrurance hikes 3. He is convinced that he does not deserve those tickets of that magnitude. I thought i made this clear before.
Wah, wah, wah. Worst case scenario, he has to garage his car, and there's one less peckerhead ricer on the road.

flame02

Feb 3rd, 2005, 05:44 PM

So the fool replaced the springs. That just makes it funnier. Ooh, ooh, does he have the 18" rims, too? Does he?

$150 labor to swap a muffler? Where do you get your work done? Tell him to go to Midas. Here's a coupon for him:
http://www.midas.ca/art/promotions/store%20coupons/coupon2.gif

Any idiot can bolt a spoiler onto their trunk. It's just funnier when a FWD car does it.

As always, your logic is impeccable. :rolleyes: But then again, that's sort of the credo of ricers, isn't it? Bolt a wing onto a sewing machine and call it a sports car.

Tuned? You can "tune" a Cobra to do 8-9 second quarters. How's that Civic doing? :rolleyes:

I never heard him open the GN up, and his regular driving thorugh the neighbourhood was no louder than any other car.

Wah, wah, wah. Worst case scenario, he has to garage his car, and there's one less peckerhead ricer on the road.

WOW, you are one stupid guy. Just because people dont ahve your taste makes em a peckerhead? you must have been the nerd that got picked on in shcool because you sure as hell have got some proplems you need to deal with. I know you have your ego problems, but dont try and deal with them online to people you cant see. Stop running your mouth because i know in a real-life situation you will back off when someone confronts you.

and no he doesnt have rims fool. And how much does a cobra cost? i said in the price range idiot .. $50k is not in that range.

And the GN was no louder just going along? same with the civic, its just when you bolt it, it makes a loud sound. So please im not interested on your opinion of cars .. FWD ******** or w/e ... again for you stup1d pople .. i made this thread to help a friend .. never thought id1ots like you could turn it into this

JAC

Feb 4th, 2005, 08:24 AM

WOW, you are one stupid guy.
Heh...you calling me stupid is like Ellen Degeneres calling Cindy Crawford ugly.

Just because people dont ahve your taste makes em a peckerhead?
No, the fact that they drive around in noisy, ugly little shitboxes makes them peckerheads.

you must have been the nerd that got picked on in shcool because you sure as hell have got some proplems you need to deal with. I know you have your ego problems, but dont try and deal with them online to people you cant see. Stop running your mouth because i know in a real-life situation you will back off when someone confronts you.
Ooh ooh, veiled threats. I hadn't thought you capable of any level of subtlety. Did it hurt much?

and no he doesnt have rims fool. And how much does a cobra cost? i said in the price range idiot .. $50k is not in that range.
Price is not the issue. You claimed that the Civic was a "tuner car", and I felt obliged to point out how ludicrous that was. You see, tuning implies performance improvements, and about the only way to improve the performance of a Civic is to buy a different car.

And the GN was no louder just going along? same with the civic, its just when you bolt it, it makes a loud sound. So please im not interested on your opinion of cars .. FWD ******** or w/e ... again for you stup1d pople .. i made this thread to help a friend .. never thought id1ots like you could turn it into this
Boo hoo. Maybe you should go back to AOL where everyone is polite, and you won't get your feelings hurt. You're not ready for the real internet yet.

flame02

Feb 4th, 2005, 10:27 AM

Heh...you calling me stupid is like Ellen Degeneres calling Cindy Crawford ugly.

No, the fact that they drive around in noisy, ugly little shitboxes makes them peckerheads.

Ooh ooh, veiled threats. I hadn't thought you capable of any level of subtlety. Did it hurt much?

Price is not the issue. You claimed that the Civic was a "tuner car", and I felt obliged to point out how ludicrous that was. You see, tuning implies performance improvements, and about the only way to improve the performance of a Civic is to buy a different car.

Boo hoo. Maybe you should go back to AOL where everyone is polite, and you won't get your feelings hurt. You're not ready for the real internet yet.

I make no valid arguement that you are indeed "smart," your reference to civic drivers with mufflers as being peckerheards is just like saying African-Americans are idiots simply because they are African and can talk, no proof or validity of this arguement and thus completely ludacris.

And the civic is a tuner car, as i persistently mension time and time again, you can upgrade a civic beyond any other vehicle. Hence making it a tuner car.

You think you offend me by your comments, i just pitty you. You have no backbone to your suggestions and frankly its quite funny to hear your feble opinions.

And i noticed that you did not defend your position on my accusation that YOU are indeed the one who is needs gratification when talking in forums so that poeple may think you are "bigger" then your truly are. Im sorry that people disregarded you as a geek when you are younger, but its seems the way you have turned out is to resent that fact. Stop running your mouth before you say somehting in the wrong place, face to face with someone who doesnt take kindly to your gestures.

I think you arent ready for the real world bud.

TrevorK

Feb 4th, 2005, 10:30 AM

And the civic is a tuner car, as i persistently mension time and time again, you can upgrade a civic beyond any other vehicle. Hence making it a tuner car.

I'll agree the civic is a popular tuner car.

But saying you can upgrade it beyond any other vehicle is absurd.

There are many, many cars that most likely have just as much aftemarket support, especially those powered by a 302 or SBC.

flame02

Feb 4th, 2005, 10:37 AM

Sorry, i meant to say upgrade-wise, one can put more aftermarket products into a civic then any other car, not that the civic will perform beyond any car.
The thing with a civic is, you can change is so much that its basically not even a civic anymore, and still possible modifications on the frame itself.

JAC

Feb 4th, 2005, 10:45 AM

I make no valid arguement that you are indeed "smart," your reference to civic drivers with mufflers as being peckerheards is just like saying African-Americans are idiots simply because they are African and can talk, no proof or validity of this arguement and thus completely ludacris.
Wow. Not only can you not spell, you are completely unable to form a coherent simile. Your English teachers should all be fired.

Oh, wait, unless you're a recent immigrant just learning the language. If that's the case, I apologize for mocking your execrable language skills.

And the civic is a tuner car, as i persistently mension time and time again, you can upgrade a civic beyond any other vehicle. Hence making it a tuner car.
If you say so.:lol: I'm not going to waste any more time debating the merits of a tepid little grocery-getter.

You think you offend me by your comments, i just pitty you. You have no backbone to your suggestions and frankly its quite funny to hear your feble opinions.
Aw, pity from a half-wit. I feel so warm and fuzzy inside.

Save your effort, boy; your mental energies are rather limited, and you have none to spare.

And i noticed that you did not defend your position on my accusation that YOU are indeed the one who is needs gratification when talking in forums so that poeple may think you are "bigger" then your truly are. Im sorry that people disregarded you as a geek when you are younger, but its seems the way you have turned out is to resent that fact. Stop running your mouth before you say somehting in the wrong place, face to face with someone who doesnt take kindly to your gestures.
Aw, did I hurt your feelings? Pft, stop trying to psycoanalyze me, boy, and just accept that you haven't the wit to bandy words about with me. And stop trying to play tough guy, too - that silliness hasn't worked since high school.

I think you arent ready for the real world bud.
Newsflash, Einstein: this is the internet, not real life. I can say whatever I want, and if you're stupid enough to be offended by it, well, that's your problem.

googoo

Feb 4th, 2005, 10:51 AM

Just remember that the Civic is a great car because in the used market it's reliable, and hold's it's value well.

I drive a Civic(03lx Coupe, Si has no headroom) and feel that putting more than minimal improvements into this car is a waste of money. Sure, throw a set of Rims and tires on, but 18" rims on a stock are just silly! Put on a set of Eibach pro-kit springs and inprove the stance and the cornering.

You caqn always add a fantastic stereo, but you know a kids a fool when he/she is more worried about how loud it is OUTSIDE the car. I had a Civic years ago that hit mid 120s and was barely audible from 20 feet away, yet the windows could be fully open while driving and I'd still ge the full body massage and had the ability to hear every note.

I find it funnier that paople buy new civics like mine and put $15000 into "improvements" when for the same money you could get an STX!

Brent

findingnemoscar

Feb 4th, 2005, 11:01 AM

flame02: In regards to an earlier post, it is quite possible to have your aftermarket muffler replaced for less than $100.

About 4 years ago, I bought an integra. I was caught up in the whole F&F phenomenon but not to the extent of "ricing" my car. I wanted to make it look clean but not make it look fast unless I could actually make it fast. The first thing I did was lower my car and add an aftermarket exhaust to it. To me and most of my car enthusiast friends, my muffler sounded beautiful... nice deep low roar, no high pitch excessive noise. However, I decided to remove the muffler two years later because of the following:

1. I was getting too much attention from cops. I count my blessings for not garnishing one ticket ever related to any mods I did on my car. I wasn't one of those teenage punks who didn't have respect for the road and thought I was the be all end all with my souped up integra if you can even say that. In fact, if you ask my fiance, she'll tell you I drive like a grandma :). Anyhow, I always got nervous when I saw cops driving beside or near me so I would step on the clutch to "muffle" the noise from my muffler until they drove off. At times, I sweated because I thought it would create more attention since I wasn't able to accelerate with my foot on the clutch and it almost seemed like I was slowing down on purpose:D.

2. I went out late at night whether it be watching movies or having a coffee with friends. I realized that driving home at 2am or dropping off my gf became a stealth operation. At first, I didn't catch on but as it happened more, I realized that my muffler sounded very loud at 2am when most people were sleeping. I wondered if I was causing embarrassment to my gf's family by waking and disturbing their neighbours, as with mine too.

3. I love music and invested in a really nice system. However, I don't listen to the hip hop or rap..mainly adult contempt. So its not as loud and excessive in terms of the music (think Nora Jones or Sarah Mclachlin) but I found that I couldn't enjoy their music with the added noise from my muffler.

All in all, I hope it works out for your friend and that he'll pay his fine this time and learn from this lesson.

flame02

Feb 4th, 2005, 11:19 AM

Wow. Not only can you not spell, you are completely unable to form a coherent simile. Your English teachers should all be fired.

Oh, wait, unless you're a recent immigrant just learning the language. If that's the case, I apologize for mocking your execrable language skills.

If you say so.:lol: I'm not going to waste any more time debating the merits of a tepid little grocery-getter.

Aw, pity from a half-wit. I feel so warm and fuzzy inside.

Save your effort, boy; your mental energies are rather limited, and you have none to spare.

Aw, did I hurt your feelings? Pft, stop trying to psycoanalyze me, boy, and just accept that you haven't the wit to bandy words about with me. And stop trying to play tough guy, too - that silliness hasn't worked since high school.

Newsflash, Einstein: this is the internet, not real life. I can say whatever I want, and if you're stupid enough to be offended by it, well, that's your problem.

I pity you even more after this, and i dont need to use metaphors or sililes to portray my point. LOL, you are calling ma a half-wit yet you have dont none to prove that, by typing makes it clear that a half-wit exists in me? And your constant use of the work "boy" seems that you have problems playing the "tough guy," sence you seemed to falme me on a real life situation. Stop using you make-beleive imagination as your excuse to talk the way you do. And im not tring to be the "tough guy," im simply rationalizing and indicating that you do not have the merit to do what you do. In a real life situation, you must be a push over because only people like you try and want someone to prove worthy or superior to.

"Newsflash, Einstein: this is the internet, not real life. I can say whatever I want, and if you're stupid enough to be offended by it, well, that's your problem"

Im glad you noticed, so stop trying to be that big bada$s "tough guy" here, no one cares what you do/say, the reason i relpy to such idiocy is to prove to you that one should stop tying to be someone they arent and will never be, you ahve somehting to prove .. do it face to face where it really matters.

GJ with whatever you do in your life, i just hope you dont get hurt (seriously) i know people like you and when they talk, they can never back themselves up. Let this be a warning, boy.

JAC

Feb 4th, 2005, 11:40 AM

I pity you even more after this, and i dont need to use metaphors or sililes to portray my point.
It's not that you don't need to use them, it's that you can't. Good christ, kid, you can't even complete a sentence, let alone use a literary device.

LOL, you are calling ma a half-wit yet you have dont none to prove that, by typing makes it clear that a half-wit exists in me? And your constant use of the work "boy" seems that you have problems playing the "tough guy," sence you seemed to falme me on a real life situation. Stop using you make-beleive imagination as your excuse to talk the way you do. And im not tring to be the "tough guy," im simply rationalizing and indicating that you do not have the merit to do what you do. In a real life situation, you must be a push over because only people like you try and want someone to prove worthy or superior to.
If you'd care to mention in what language you're conversing, perhaps I could run your replies through babelfish. Though I'm not sure they can translate dumbass...

Im glad you noticed, so stop trying to be that big bada$s "tough guy" here, no one cares what you do/say, the reason i relpy to such idiocy is to prove to you that one should stop tying to be someone they arent and will never be, you ahve somehting to prove .. do it face to face where it really matters.

No, the reason you can't stop replying is because you're too stupid to realize how dumb you are. Plus, you're still awash with post-pubescent testosterone and aggression, so you're unable to ignore any challenge. Sadly, there's no cure for stupidity, but at least you'll grow out of the second problem.

GJ with whatever you do in your life, i just hope you dont get hurt (seriously) i know people like you and when they talk, they can never back themselves up. Let this be a warning, boy.
Heheh...considering the entire sum of your experience is high school, you'll forgive me if I don't take any life lessons from you.

chestnut

Feb 4th, 2005, 12:13 PM

I've read this post with both amusement and fascination, i've struggled hard to stay away. However like most folks here, I am too weak to not inject some wisdom to such a deserving person. You read like my younger (naive) cousin who believes that the world revolves around him and that he's invincible.

I think going to courts will do him good. You have to accept the responsibilities of your actions. Then again, the courts will probably just slap him on the risk, fine him $300 and send him on his marry way.

Acura02, I believe that most of these folks replying (including me) are quite a bit older than you. I think we've all gone through the phase, but have gotten out of it by college/university. All you are doing is giving Ryerson a bad name and every teacher that taught you is hanging their heads with your atrocious spelling. It doesn't matter what the forum your are presenting in. To conduct yourself in a civil and educated manner creates respect. Not spelling well is like (there's that simile) a drunk talking to the officer that got pulled over.

I wish you (and your "friend") good luck. I just hope you conduct yourself better in court.

Ojam

Feb 4th, 2005, 12:27 PM

This is a riot! With every post, flame makes himself look even worse, yet he keeps talking........ :lol:

flame02

Feb 4th, 2005, 01:49 PM

This is a riot! With every post, flame makes himself look even worse, yet he keeps talking........ :lol:

The reason i keep talking is because this thread was made to give ideas on how to deal with this ticket ... some of u say just pay it get on with your life .. OK thanks, at least its advice, but some people just want to be ignorant and post things that have nothing to do with this matter. An example, intelligence and spelling errors.

How does intelligence on writing in this thread have anything to do with helping with the traffic offence? And spelling error, everyone makes mistakes .. thats why there is a "backspace" function on a keyboard, as for me, im simply too lazy to spell check.

Ive made numerous attempts to steer the flames towards useful information, but people such as you, JAX and others in this thread make it almost impossible. Then you people claim that i lack intelligence? OK fine, think what you want, but all you are proving to me is how ignorant you are.

OH and yet again ignorance overwhelms me .. i will not appear i court because these are not my offences

rubrducky

Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:58 PM

Good to see that I am not the only one that hates those ridiculous "performance" mufflers. I think the cops should really crack down on these things (Harley's included) as they have the statutory mandate to do so! Good to finally see our tax dollars at work, and the justice system taxing these idiots causing unnecessary noise pollution.

I agree! I don't understand why people put a performance muffler on a shitbox to make it sound like it might have some power. Buy a real car, and it has plenty of power and sounds much nicer than a civic with a big muffler!

RubRDucky

rubrducky

Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:07 AM

I need help for a friend who got 3 tickets for no real reason. Each ticket is worth $110!!!! (i think this cop was being stupid and decided to charge my friend with everything possible)

unsafe lane change (had signal on and was waiting to get to the left turning lane from the right lane, did it safely)
exhauste (loud, but EVERYONE who sups up cars have em, they are said to be street legal)
not carryin plate portion of ownership (not sure what the BS was about)

Any help would be appreciated, he cant afford $330 for nothing at all

LOL, some RFDers feel it to be more then to simply give advice, they feel that they need to criticise my friend and (lol) my intelligence? .. you know, because intelligence has EVERYTHING to do with helping someone out ...

The best shot your friend has is for the cop not to show. Your friend is entitled to 3 postponements.

Hearing 1: Your friend goes. If the cop is not there, your friend pleads not guilty, wins, and goes home with a clear record. If the cop shows, your friend says he thought he was ready to proceed, but is feeling very overwhelmed and would like to consult a lawyer. Hearing postponed.

Hearing 2: Your friend hides in the bathroom while someone goes and asks if the cop is present. If the cop is there, your friend stays in the bathroom, and the other person says that your friend is sick, and needs to postpone. IF the cop isn't there, your friend comes out of the bathroom and pleads not guilty and wins.

Hearing 3: Same as hearing 2, but the excuse is an emergency at work.

Hearing 4: If the cop shows, your friend is screwed! But this never happens to anyone.

Hope this helps, but for the record, your friend probably did something to piss off the cop to land up with three tickets. Teach him the "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" rule of dealing with police.

RubRDucky

MTL-TechY

Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:55 AM

I agree! I don't understand why people put a performance muffler on a shitbox to make it sound like it might have some power. Buy a real car, and it has plenty of power and sounds much nicer than a civic with a big muffler!

RubRDucky

well if he thinks he so cool to put a loud exhaust on a chitbox, to show off or whatever, then assume the consequences and pay your tickets, well maybe not the lane thing, but hey wasn't there. if u want ni prob, then pay all and finish it there

gman

Mar 3rd, 2005, 01:03 AM

I guess the horse is not dead yet because people are still beating it. ;)

actng

Mar 3rd, 2005, 11:27 AM

yeah i was just gonna post "this thread is still goign on???" not even gonna read the new posts... should just lock this now.

+1

flame02

Mar 3rd, 2005, 11:59 AM

blahahhahahahaha u ppl have no life! omg i thoight this was done and over!!!! GONE .. bye .. finito! no more to post/red here

soory i have to add that whoever gave REAL advice .. thank you ... the rest get a life asap! society needs you ... volunteer mayb? just get out of the house!

hotstartup

Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:06 PM

get a resonator installed, it'll have a nice deep sound, then when ur court date comes take in a clip with the sound of the exhaust ;)

akito925

Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:26 PM

I need help for a friend who got 3 tickets for no real reason. Each ticket is worth $110!!!! (i think this cop was being stupid and decided to charge my friend with everything possible)

unsafe lane change (had signal on and was waiting to get to the left turning lane from the right lane, did it safely)
exhauste (loud, but EVERYONE who sups up cars have em, they are said to be street legal)
not carryin plate portion of ownership (not sure what the BS was about)

Any help would be appreciated, he cant afford $330 for nothing at all

LOL, some RFDers feel it to be more then to simply give advice, they feel that they need to criticise my friend and (lol) my intelligence? .. you know, because intelligence has EVERYTHING to do with helping someone out ...

if your in the are of markham.. pay a visit to

www.torontotraffictickets.com

they seem pretty.. good if you want all your tickets gone %100 my friend got a "Street Racing ticket" and he got it removed.. gone nothing zip. but he had to pay a big amount..

unsafe lane change can be removed off record.

not carryin plate portion of ownership (not sure what the BS was about) I got the same ticket, will be removed off record.

exhauste (loud, but EVERYONE who sups up cars have em, they are said to be street legal)
not sure about that.. ask for estimates.. see what they can do.

Nova_Craft

Mar 3rd, 2005, 10:20 PM

As A highway designer and transportation engineer I'll offer my 2 cents. You can take it or leave it. I think your friend deserved every one of those tickets and I hope he is made to pay them all.

I have read about half of this thread and can't stand any more, so forgive me if these points have already been made.

Ticket one - Noise - there are 2 reasons I can see for this ticket to be enforced. First from a design perspective, environmental assesments are done to ensure people and wildlife along public corridors are not adversely affected by traffic noise. In order to design for this noise level, I use complex formulas that assume a certain noise level attributed to each traffic type. Motorcycles are figured to register a certain decible level as are trucks, buses, cars and so on. We figure out what the expected traffic mix on a given street will be and design for that. In some areas we replace windows with fixed pane windows and install central air conditioners for people on louder routes. On some routes we put up noise barriers.

If people start making noisier cars, more barricades and higher barricades will be along the sides of our roads. Enough people have to live concrete walls in their back yards as it is. You Car doesn't justify the expense or the inconvienience of building more of them.

The second reason you deserve the noise ticket (and a motorcycle does not) is that when an ambulance comes up behind you and your exhaust is screaming while you listen to the New Kids on The Block through a pounding stereo, you haven't got a snowball's chance in hell of hearing it. That means people will die because your souped car sounds cool. Ditto for fire trucks and police cars.

Since motorbikes aren't enclosed, noise travels to the driver differently, and they can hear to get out of the way.

As for the plate portion of your ticket - the fees we pay for that portion of the license is what is used to pay for the maintenance, design, and construction of our roads. You pay your $50 each year, I'll pay mine. You don't pay it, then keep off my roads. The cop was probably looking at the missing sticker on the license plate. I think that you forgot to mention that.

The third Ticket is just plain common sense. As has been stated earlier, taking two lanes at once is beyond the expectations of other drivers on the road, and to the cop probably looked like a kid trying to get out of paying a ticket for a missing sticker on his license plate. Try to evade the cops and they will nail you every time.

You can see things your way, this is my view, and one you won't see often. Return to your flames now.

Nova

BTW - Not all engineers can't spell ;o)

flame02

Mar 4th, 2005, 12:20 AM

there will be no flaming for you nova, you have backed up your opinions fully without the need for rediculous comments! These are the type of posts i appreciate and prefer if you have a bias over such ideas.

Although the tickets have been delt with (as far as i know of), this thread has made me realize a few things ... people can say what they want, but if one were to talk in such disgust, generally no one wants to hear it unless proven. Another thing is that when making a point from your opinion, not all of society will agree upon it, thats what makes us different and unique. Opinion is opinion and should not be forced upon anyone.

There were numerous points about Hondas and any other import cars, if you dont like them and think they are useless, they are popular and respected becuase they are reliable, solid and tweakable vehicles. Having a muscular 8+ cylender car doesnt make an inline 4 inferior, they are tuned and perform differenty.