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Webslinger
Jan 20th, 2005, 02:52 PM
from http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1366348,00.html


In Iraq, the U.S. Does Eliminate Those Who Dare to
Count the Dead
By Naomi Klein
The Guardian U.K. (newspaper)

Saturday 04 December 2004

You asked for my evidence, Mr. Ambassador. Here it is.
David T. Johnson,
Acting ambassador,
US Embassy, London

Dear Mr. Johnson,

On November 26, your press counsellor sent a
letter to the Guardian taking strong exception to a
sentence in my column of the same day. The sentence
read: "In Iraq, US forces and their Iraqi surrogates
are no longer bothering to conceal attacks on civilian
targets and are openly eliminating anyone - doctors,
clerics, journalists - who dares to count the bodies."
Of particular concern was the word "eliminating".

The letter suggested that my charge was "baseless"
and asked the Guardian either to withdraw it, or
provide "evidence of this extremely grave accusation".
It is quite rare for US embassy officials to openly
involve themselves in the free press of a foreign
country, so I took the letter extremely seriously. But
while I agree that the accusation is grave, I have no
intention of withdrawing it. Here, instead, is the
evidence you requested.

In April, US forces laid siege to Falluja in
retaliation for the gruesome killings of four
Blackwater employees. The operation was a failure,
with US troops eventually handing the city back to
resistance forces. The reason for the withdrawal was
that the siege had sparked uprisings across the
country, triggered by reports that hundreds of
civilians had been killed. This information came from
three main sources: 1) Doctors. USA Today reported on
April 11 that "Statistics and names of the dead were
gathered from four main clinics around the city and
from Falluja general hospital". 2) Arab TV
journalists. While doctors reported the numbers of
dead, it was al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya that put a
human face on those statistics. With unembedded camera
crews in Falluja, both networks beamed footage of
mutilated women and children throughout Iraq and the
Arab-speaking world. 3) Clerics. The reports of high
civilian casualties coming from journalists and
doctors were seized upon by prominent clerics in Iraq.
Many delivered fiery sermons condemning the attack,
turning their congregants against US forces and
igniting the uprising that forced US troops to
withdraw.

US authorities have denied that hundreds of
civilians were killed during last April's siege, and
have lashed out at the sources of these reports. For
instance, an unnamed "senior American officer",
speaking to the New York Times last month, labelled
Falluja general hospital "a centre of propaganda". But
the strongest words were reserved for Arab TV
networks. When asked about al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya's
reports that hundreds of civilians had been killed in
Falluja, Donald Rumsfeld, the US secretary of defence,
replied that "what al-Jazeera is doing is vicious,
inaccurate and inexcusable ... " Last month, US troops
once again laid siege to Falluja - but this time the
attack included a new tactic: eliminating the doctors,
journalists and clerics who focused public attention
on civilian casualties last time around.

Eliminating Doctors

The first major operation by US marines and Iraqi
soldiers was to storm Falluja general hospital,
arresting doctors and placing the facility under
military control. The New York Times reported that
"the hospital was selected as an early target because
the American military believed that it was the source
of rumours about heavy casualties", noting that "this
time around, the American military intends to fight
its own information war, countering or squelching what
has been one of the insurgents' most potent weapons".
The Los Angeles Times quoted a doctor as saying that
the soldiers "stole the mobile phones" at the hospital
- preventing doctors from communicating with the
outside world.

But this was not the worst of the attacks on
health workers. Two days earlier, a crucial emergency
health clinic was bombed to rubble, as well as a
medical supplies dispensary next door. Dr Sami
al-Jumaili, who was working in the clinic, says the
bombs took the lives of 15 medics, four nurses and 35
patients. The Los Angeles Times reported that the
manager of Falluja general hospital "had told a US
general the location of the downtown makeshift medical
centre" before it was hit.

Whether the clinic was targeted or destroyed
accidentally, the effect was the same: to eliminate
many of Falluja's doctors from the war zone. As Dr
Jumaili told the Independent on November 14: "There is
not a single surgeon in Falluja." When fighting moved
to Mosul, a similar tactic was used: on entering the
city, US and Iraqi forces immediately seized control
of the al-Zaharawi hospital.

Eliminating Journalists

The images from last month's siege on Falluja came
almost exclusively from reporters embedded with US
troops. This is because Arab journalists who had
covered April's siege from the civilian perspective
had effectively been eliminated. Al-Jazeera had no
cameras on the ground because it has been banned from
reporting in Iraq indefinitely. Al-Arabiya did have an
unembedded reporter, Abdel Kader Al-Saadi, in Falluja,
but on November 11 US forces arrested him and held him
for the length of the siege. Al-Saadi's detention has
been condemned by Reporters Without Borders and the
International Federation of Journalists. "We cannot
ignore the possibility that he is being intimidated
for just trying to do his job," the IFJ stated.

It's not the first time journalists in Iraq have
faced this kind of intimidation. When US forces
invaded Baghdad in April 2003, US Central Command
urged all unembedded journalists to leave the city.
Some insisted on staying and at least three paid with
their lives. On April 8, a US aircraft bombed
al-Jazeera's Baghdad offices, killing reporter Tareq
Ayyoub. Al-Jazeera has documentation proving it gave
the coordinates of its location to US forces.

On the same day, a US tank fired on the Palestine
hotel, killing José Couso, of the Spanish network
Telecinco, and Taras Protsiuk, of Reuters. Three US
soldiers are facing a criminal lawsuit from Couso's
family, which alleges that US forces were well aware
that journalists were in the Palestine hotel and that
they committed a war crime.

Eliminating Clerics

Just as doctors and journalists have been
targeted, so too have many of the clerics who have
spoken out forcefully against the killings in Falluja.
On November 11, Sheik Mahdi al-Sumaidaei, the head of
the Supreme Association for Guidance and Daawa, was
arrested. According to Associated Press, "Al-Sumaidaei
has called on the country's Sunni minority to launch a
civil disobedience campaign if the Iraqi government
does not halt the attack on Falluja". On November 19,
AP reported that US and Iraqi forces stormed a
prominent Sunni mosque, the Abu Hanifa, in Aadhamiya,
killing three people and arresting 40, including the
chief cleric - another opponent of the Falluja siege.
On the same day, Fox News reported that "US troops
also raided a Sunni mosque in Qaim, near the Syrian
border". The report described the arrests as
"retaliation for opposing the Falluja offensive". Two
Shia clerics associated with Moqtada al-Sadr have also
been arrested in recent weeks; according to AP, "both
had spoken out against the Falluja attack".

"We don't do body counts," said General Tommy
Franks of US Central Command. The question is: what
happens to the people who insist on counting the
bodies - the doctors who must pronounce their patients
dead, the journalists who document these losses, the
clerics who denounce them? In Iraq, evidence is
mounting that these voices are being systematically
silenced through a variety of means, from mass
arrests, to raids on hospitals, media bans, and overt
and unexplained physical attacks.

Mr. Ambassador, I believe that your government and
its Iraqi surrogates are waging two wars in Iraq. One
war is against the Iraqi people, and it has claimed an
estimated 100,000 lives. The other is a war on
witnesses.

CSAgent
Jan 20th, 2005, 03:39 PM
too long, can someone summarize it?

Spike
Jan 20th, 2005, 04:11 PM
too long, can someone summarize it?

USA sucks.

CSAgent
Jan 20th, 2005, 05:39 PM
USA sucks.

Great! So, what else is new? :D

Marc7
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:10 PM
darn, and I thought it was the flame of justice and freadom..there goes another belief with santa

felixdd
Jan 20th, 2005, 06:45 PM
too long, can someone summarize it?

basically:

"We don't do body counts," said General Tommy
Franks of US Central Command. The question is: what
happens to the people who insist on counting the
bodies - the doctors who must pronounce their patients
dead, the journalists who document these losses, the
clerics who denounce them? In Iraq, evidence is
mounting that these voices are being systematically
silenced through a variety of means, from mass
arrests, to raids on hospitals, media bans, and overt
and unexplained physical attacks.

Mr. Ambassador, I believe that your government and
its Iraqi surrogates are waging two wars in Iraq. One
war is against the Iraqi people, and it has claimed an
estimated 100,000 lives. The other is a war on
witnesses.

Beradon
Jan 21st, 2005, 07:22 AM
How surprising! Another propaganda attempt from a newspaper with questionable first hand accounts. Obviously their goal is to sell sensational articles to people who want to buy into this fantasy of the US being 'evil'. Not much different than the papers like the national enquirer who cater to a certain segment of people.

yatko
Jan 21st, 2005, 07:25 AM
By Naomi Klein


Is this our own Canadian/Torontonian Naomi Klein?
The author of No logo book?

Webslinger
Jan 21st, 2005, 08:36 AM
How surprising! Another propaganda attempt from a newspaper with questionable first hand accounts. Obviously their goal is to sell sensational articles to people who want to buy into this fantasy of the US being 'evil'. Not much different than the papers like the national enquirer who cater to a certain segment of people.

The Guardian is a reputable, mainstream, U.K. newspaper; the columnist is well-respected internationally; and comparing the Guardian to the National Enquirer simply smacks of ignorance.

Webslinger
Jan 21st, 2005, 08:41 AM
Is this our own Canadian/Torontonian Naomi Klein?
The author of No logo book?

Yes

http://www.peacejusticestudies.org/conference/bio/naomi_klein.php

"Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and author of the international best-seller No Logo: Taking Aim at the Brand Bullies.

Translated into 27 languages, The New York Times called No Logo "a movement bible.". In 2000, The Guardian Newspaper short-listed it for their First Book Award, and in 2001, No Logo won the Canadian National Business Book Award, and the French Prix Médiations.

Naomi Klein's articles have appeared in numerous publications including The Guardian, The New Statesman, Newsweek International, The New York Times, The Village Voice and Ms. Magazine. She writes an internationally syndicated column for The Globe and Mail newspaper (Canada) and another for The Nation magazine (US). A collection of her work, entitled Fences and Windows: Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Globalization Debate was published in October 2002.

Ms. Klein is a frequent media commentator and university guest lecturer. She's a former Miliband Fellow at the London School of Economics and is presently the Freda Kirchway Fellow of the Nation Institute.

Currently, Ms. Klein is writing/producing a documentary about new forms of direct democracy in Argentina."

Beradon
Feb 1st, 2005, 10:25 AM
The Guardian is a reputable, mainstream, U.K. newspaper; the columnist is well-respected internationally;yes, well respected for its leftist views. The national enquirer is also well respected by tabloid readers worldwide. dosen't mean much to anyone else. ;)

and comparing the Guardian to the National Enquirer simply smacks of ignorance.what's even more ignorant is your attempt to link a questionable article to a 'supposed' conspiracy by the US to coverup civilian casualties. There's still no proof the US military issued this coverup.

d_jedi
Feb 1st, 2005, 11:08 AM
I'm at least a bit skeptical of her conclusions. On her first two points, of doctors and journalists - I don't have much to say. This is the first I've heard of the US taking over hospitals, and taking away cell phones from doctors..

However, when she makes her third point about clerics being silenced, I know she is using a revisionist history (at best). If you recall at the time of the first incursion into Fallujah, Al Sadr was the head of a resistance movement (he may still be - but you never hear about him nowadays..).

Webslinger
Feb 1st, 2005, 11:26 AM
yes, well respected for its leftist views. The national enquirer is also well respected by tabloid readers worldwide. dosen't mean much to anyone else. ;)

Again, the Guardian is a mainstream U.K. newspaper. Try to cite the National Enquirer to support a thesis for serious academic work and see how far you get. Any more inane comparisons for us today, Berandon?

what's even more ignorant is your attempt to link a questionable article to a 'supposed' conspiracy by the US to coverup civilian casualties.

Nope. I stand by the relatively objective claim that it's ignorant to even attempt to compare the Guardian to the Enquirer. The contents of the opinion piece I quoted are vastly more difficult to dispute (than it is to dispute the ignorance of comparing the Enquirer to the Guardian), given that the vast majority accept the Guardian is not a tabloid. Thanks for coming out, though.


There's still no proof the US military issued this coverup.

So it's a coverup?'

:lol:

Webslinger
Feb 1st, 2005, 11:33 AM
I'm at least a bit skeptical of her conclusions. On her first two points, of doctors and journalists - I don't have much to say. This is the first I've heard of the US taking over hospitals, and taking away cell phones from doctors..

I've read similar accusations in academic political journals. I do question some of her sources though.


However, when she makes her third point about clerics being silenced, I know she is using a revisionist history (at best). If you recall at the time of the first incursion into Fallujah, Al Sadr was the head of a resistance movement (he may still be - but you never hear about him nowadays..).

I'm not sure what you mean by "revisionist history". If the clerics she mentioned are being arrested for speaking out against the attacks, then they are being silenced. That said, I do accept, as you mention, that some clerics were part of the resistance.

d_jedi
Feb 1st, 2005, 11:47 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by "revisionist history". If the clerics she mentioned are being arrested for speaking out against the attacks, then they are being silenced. That said, I do accept, as you mention, that some clerics were part of the resistance.

As far as I can tell, the clerics that were arrested were ones actively participating in the "resistance". Many other people (clerics too) spoke out against the incursion into Fallujah, and were not arrested.

I say revisionist history because she links the two facts:
1) Clerics spoke against Fallujah invasion
2) Clerics arrested

as if to say that was the only reason why they were arrested.. when it's pretty clear to anyone who remembers what was going on at that time, that this was not the case.

Webslinger
Feb 1st, 2005, 12:48 PM
That's an astute criticism, and I agree, d_jedi--insofar as the official reasons given by the Iraqi and U.S. forces for raiding mosques and arresting clerics had little to do with merely speaking out against the Fallujah invasion. The diction from the following AP article (especially "opposed") is not as clear as it could be:

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041119-110457-6907r.htm

"Iraqi forces backed by American soldiers raided one of the country's most important Sunni mosques as worshippers were leaving after Friday prayers — part of a crackdown on militant clerics opposed to the U.S.-led attack on Fallujah. Witnesses said at least three persons were killed and 40 arrested."


Several academic papers that I've read recently focus on the supposed "raid probe" and what "mistakes" were made--calling into question the legitimacy of some of the arrests:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139240,00.html

Allawi Wants Mosque Raid Probe
Monday, November 22, 2004


Insurgent Ambush in Ramadi Kills 8 Iraqi Troops
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Prime Minister Ayad Allawi has ordered an investigation into last week's U.S.-Iraqi raid of a major Sunni Muslim mosque in Baghdad, his office said Monday.

The raid Friday on the Abu Hanifa mosque (search) left three people dead and was followed by a wave of attacks in several parts of Baghdad. The raid enraged many in Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority, which already feels threatened by the U.S.-led attack on Fallujah and the arrest of several outspoken clerics.

A statement by the prime minister's office said Allawi, a Shiite Muslim, conferred Sunday with Sunni officials on several issues, including the Abu Hanifa raid.

"The prime minister shared [their] concern and said that although there had been reports of terrorist activity around the mosque, mistakes appeared to have been made and that he had ordered a full investigation," the statement said."


In fact, one mosque was raided four times . . .

gSSEhh
Feb 1st, 2005, 04:34 PM
I quite like and respect Naomi Klein. I find her columns in the Globe and Mail and the Guardian (the "National Enquirer" comment made me laugh) to be very readable, and well argued. I remember reading about these incidents in the "main stream" press when they first happened, so I don't doubt her observations (and, personally, I'm inclined to believe her conclusions are also more correct than not).

She's actually appearing tomorrow night in Vancouver at a Forum. I'm quite tempted to go. For those who are interested, here's the poster:

http://www.stopwar.ca/graphics/pdfs/janfeb.jpg

On a related sidenote...

I think one of the biggest problems we face these days is attention span. If you can't be bothered to read a four paragraph column, you will NEVER be able to understand issues beyond an emotionally potent oversimplification of the facts (eg. Fox/Al Jazeera). If it's not interesting to you, fine. Don't read it. But, if you actually intend to hold an opinion on the issue, at least make some effort.