IBM EPP Boxing Week Web Blowout!!

[ukhan]

I just checked the EPP site, and it says that starting December 23 at 10am, the EPP site will have a Boxing Week blowout for Thinkpads and Thinkcenters. You might want to keep an eye on the site tomorrow at 10 am.

[dgr81]

no t42p, no care

[d_jedi]

Link?

[Snoopygis]

I just checked the EPP site, and it says that starting December 23 at 10am, the EPP site will have a Boxing Week blowout for Thinkpads and Thinkcenters. You might want to keep an eye on the site tomorrow at 10 am.


I just went on the EPP site and I saw no special Boxing Week blowout information. Are you sure about this?

[bestjsg]

I just went on the EPP site and I saw no special Boxing Week blowout information. Are you sure about this?


Hurry up and buy these old stock before the new bunch comes out that is made by an entire different Chinese company.....in case you don't know, IBM sold their desktops and notebooks business completely to a Chinese company...who knows what the quality is gonna be like..

[eliteblaze]

after watching ibm for months my personal feeling is that they'll just offer more of the same. I've been watching the restocks and they don't seem to do t42ps anymore :(

hopefully i'm wrong tho

[eliteblaze]

not true. IBM has the roadplan lined up till t50s. T43s are already configered and ready to be press released in 3 weeks. Lenovo will try their hands on desing after t50s are done

Hurry up and buy these old stock before the new bunch comes out that is made by an entire different Chinese company.....in case you don't know, IBM sold their desktops and notebooks business completely to a Chinese company...who knows what the quality is gonna be like..

[ukhan]

I just went on the EPP site and I saw no special Boxing Week blowout information. Are you sure about this?

Oh its there, check http://www.ibm.ca/eppsales, but you need the login info, which I can't give out.

[eliteblaze]

if you can't get epp www.ibm.ca/store/ is planning a simliar sale tomorrow check it out :)

saw it in teh to star

[d_jedi]

Oh its there, check http://www.ibm.ca/eppsales, but you need the login info, which I can't give out.

Could you post prices? Don't want to bother my IBM contacts if I'm not going to buy :->

[ukhan]

Could you post prices? Don't want to bother my IBM contacts if I'm not going to buy :->

No prices yet, they wont release anything until tomorrow morning 10 am.

[Fuggit]

Hurry up and buy these old stock before the new bunch comes out that is made by an entire different Chinese company.....in case you don't know, IBM sold their desktops and notebooks business completely to a Chinese company...who knows what the quality is gonna be like..

Don't post BS like that about the quality. I can attest 90% of the appliance in your home is made in China, regardless of brand.

[noodles]

if you can't get epp www.ibm.ca/store/ is planning a simliar sale tomorrow check it out :)

saw it in teh to star


is this for real??

[joeb]

Hurry up and buy these old stock before the new bunch comes out that is made by an entire different Chinese company.....in case you don't know, IBM sold their desktops and notebooks business completely to a Chinese company...who knows what the quality is gonna be like..


Why are you implying that the quality will become worse after the Chinese company takes over? If a German or French company bought the IBM pc division, would you say the same thing?

Is it just because the company's is based in China, you think is inferior? Your realize most gpus are made in Tawain, aka TSMC right? The best motherboards are also made by Chinese companies.....

[Canadianpsycho]

Well, before the Chinese Anti Defamation League gets started...

Why the hell would you post details to a sale that's restricted to the public?

[d_jedi]

Made in China != made with quality. In fact, many times it means exactly the opposite.

But, I don't believe the quality of Thinkpad laptops will go down just because a Chinese company bought out IBM's PC division.. at least, not initially..

[danfromwaterloo]

Don't post BS like that about the quality. I can attest 90% of the appliance in your home is made in China, regardless of brand.

While I think that the inference made is that Chinese quality is worse than the current IBM standard, the point made about the fact that IBM did just sell its laptop and desktop divisions does prove foreboding. Regardless of who took it over, who's to say what the quality is going to be like of the new models. Considering that IBM has some VERY good laptops, if this new company changes things, its likely to go down. Not trying to say that China can't make some good quality stuff, but just to say that changing a formula that's currently (IMHO) the industry leader is not a recipe for success.

But to comment on the Chinese source of goods, I find that (again, just my observations on what I've experienced) its good for somethings, but electronics I'd far rather buy from Japan. I've had quite a few electronics goods that were produced in China that have failed on me (just like I've had some electronics goods that were produced there that are quality goods). On average, I've had better luck with Japanese electronics. Don't take this as racist or biggotted; I'm personally just expressing my own observations. To dismiss all Chinese goods as crap though is ridiculous - considering they make a LARGE percentage of everything. With that ratio, its no wonder so many of their products fail - because damn near everything everybody owns is made there!

[Fuggit]

While I think that the inference made is that Chinese quality is worse than the current IBM standard, the point made about the fact that IBM did just sell its laptop and desktop divisions does prove foreboding. Regardless of who took it over, who's to say what the quality is going to be like of the new models. Considering that IBM has some VERY good laptops, if this new company changes things, its likely to go down. Not trying to say that China can't make some good quality stuff, but just to say that changing a formula that's currently (IMHO) the industry leader is not a recipe for success.

But to comment on the Chinese source of goods, I find that (again, just my observations on what I've experienced) its good for somethings, but electronics I'd far rather buy from Japan. I've had quite a few electronics goods that were produced in China that have failed on me (just like I've had some electronics goods that were produced there that are quality goods). On average, I've had better luck with Japanese electronics. Don't take this as racist or biggotted; I'm personally just expressing my own observations. To dismiss all Chinese goods as crap though is ridiculous - considering they make a LARGE percentage of everything. With that ratio, its no wonder so many of their products fail - because damn near everything everybody owns is made there!

That's somewhat my point too. I'm no advocate for the quality of Chinese-made products, but in all fairness it's not that bad. Besides, even if manufacturing is done in China, IBM has their standards.

People who complain about the quality of stuff made in China, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc. are the exact same people who didn't spend money on expensive electronics from Japan, Germany, UK when they existed. It's partly their fault that companies have to resort to cost-cutting measures like these. Her it's pretty much IBM saying "You want cheap IBM-quality stuff, we'll give you cheap IBM-quality stuff." There's no complaining if you ask me.

[dgr81]

why are you guys arguing about the quality of the laptops in this thread? if you believe the quality of the laptops available tomorrow will be worse, because IBM sold it's PC division to a Chinese company a few weeks ago, then don't buy one.

jesus, you people will argue about the dumbest things. take it to offtopic if you want to compare the quality of the thinkpads.

[eliteblaze]

I hope you realize that IBM laptops have been made in China for a while...

[TenzoR]

IBM ThinkPad Development Will Maintain in Japan, Says Local Rep
Lenovo Will Continue to Develop Laptops in Yamamoto Lab

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20041214184141.html

[JustMike]

I am an IBM stockholder but threw out my recent mailing containing the deal number. Is it possible to get this information from the IBM website? I am not fishing, I am a legit stockholder and eligible for this deal.

[Fuggit]

IBM ThinkPad Development Will Maintain in Japan, Says Local Rep
Lenovo Will Continue to Develop Laptops in Yamamoto Lab

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20041214184141.html

Hahahaha.... Chinese GreatWall Company....
I'm Chinese myself but I shake my head whenever they come up with company names... :lol:

[felix]

Actually that depends. Many parts were still made in Japan :cheesygri

[Fuggit]

I am an IBM stockholder but threw out my recent mailing containing the deal number. Is it possible to get this information from the IBM website? I am not fishing, I am a legit stockholder and eligible for this deal.

The external IBM site is for sales of IBM merchandise to the public. The thread starter was pointing to the EPP... Employee Purchase Plan, which I agree should not have been posted here because it doesn't concern everyone. To answer your question, no, you're not an employee so technically you're not eligible to purchase EPP deals yourself. But if you know someone working at IBM then that person can purchase it for you.

Cheers.

[urameatball]

who cares about where it's made. as long as quality control is maintained, there shouldn't be any noticeable difference. China's a very large and versatile countries... yes they're reputable for their cheap knockoff products but they are also capable of producing world class products as well.

And if you didn't know already, look inside some of the really high end IBM server boxes. "MADE IN CHINA"

[thephenom]

That's like the dumbest argument EVER.

IBM Desktops and Notebooks are already Made In China, they outsourced it a few years back if I'm not mistaken. But developement is still done in Japan for the Thinkpad.

[dalman]

While I think that the inference made is that Chinese quality is worse than the current IBM standard, the point made about the fact that IBM did just sell its laptop and desktop divisions does prove foreboding. Regardless of who took it over, who's to say what the quality is going to be like of the new models. Considering that IBM has some VERY good laptops, if this new company changes things, its likely to go down. Not trying to say that China can't make some good quality stuff, but just to say that changing a formula that's currently (IMHO) the industry leader is not a recipe for success.

But to comment on the Chinese source of goods, I find that (again, just my observations on what I've experienced) its good for somethings, but electronics I'd far rather buy from Japan. I've had quite a few electronics goods that were produced in China that have failed on me (just like I've had some electronics goods that were produced there that are quality goods). On average, I've had better luck with Japanese electronics. Don't take this as racist or biggotted; I'm personally just expressing my own observations. To dismiss all Chinese goods as crap though is ridiculous - considering they make a LARGE percentage of everything. With that ratio, its no wonder so many of their products fail - because damn near everything everybody owns is made there!


How many Janpanese electronics you have is made in Japan? How much hourly you need to pay for a Japanese worker? $40? $60? $100? How much you are paying for Chinese workers? $10? $15? Do you think the electronics will be same price if they are made in Japan? You are paying what you get...

With the improvement of Chinese skill workers, I think the quality will increase as well. But still you are paying what you get...

[ud666]

I was in Japan a couple years ago, and was told by one of their locals that all their electronics that are exported out are 'crap' as defined by the Japanese. The stuff is Japan's inferior stock that is left over and can't sell in it's own country. Lots are even refurbished items that are returned by the Japanese.

That's why Japanese stuff sold here in Canada looks older, and you wonder why the Japanese get to play with new toys and we don't?

This is the same for cars.

I had Japanese made electronics crap out on me. For example, I purposely bought a Panasonic Made in Japan DVD player. but it crapped out after just one year. Same for some Japan made Sony stereos, the laser on the cd player just died..gosh... :mad:

That's why I never fall for the "Made in Japan" advertising anymore.

[JustMike]

Sounds like a bunch of BS, ud666. Yes, the Japanese have different models and lots of stuff that don't come to North America, but I find it very difficult to believe that we're getting Japanese rejects. Exactly how arrogant are these people to even suggest that the western world is not deserving of their finest stuff?

[NG]

I was in Japan a couple years ago, and was told by one of their locals that all their electronics that are exported out are 'crap' as defined by the Japanese. The stuff is Japan's inferior stock that is left over and can't sell in it's own country. Lots are even refurbished items that are returned by the Japanese.

That's why Japanese stuff sold here in Canada looks older, and you wonder why the Japanese get to play with new toys and we don't?

This is the same for cars.

I had Japanese made electronics crap out on me. For example, I purposely bought a Panasonic Made in Japan DVD player. but it crapped out after just one year. Same for some Japan made Sony stereos, the laser on the cd player just died..gosh... :mad:

That's why I never fall for the "Made in Japan" advertising anymore.


I would have to disagree with the person you spoke with (I suspect he was just joking with you) however having said that the core of your statement is true. Made in Japan doesn't carry the same quality seal it did before. The last couple MIJ products I've picked up (a dvd recorder and cd-mp3 player) hasn't really been higher quality than the made in china/india et al stuff I have. Mind you it's not like it's crap or defective or anything - I just won't be paying a premium for MIJ stuff as I may have in the past.

[joeb]

why are you guys arguing about the quality of the laptops in this thread? if you believe the quality of the laptops available tomorrow will be worse, because IBM sold it's PC division to a Chinese company a few weeks ago, then don't buy one.

jesus, you people will argue about the dumbest things. take it to offtopic if you want to compare the quality of the thinkpads.


No one was arguing. By the way, cursing and arguing in an ad hominem way really reflects on your character.

I agree that many "Made in China" goods are sometimes less reliable, but one must also consider the price you pay for those goods. In more expensive products, better quality components and more skilled workers are used in the manufacturing process. How can one expect a $20 mp3 player to perform like a $200 one? An IBM laptop is an expensive good, so skilled labour will be used to make it. China is perfectly capable in providing highly skilled labour. To suggest that quality will get worse because is accquired by a Chinese company is simply ludicrous.

Remember, the Chinese company is paying for the IBM. They are shrew enough not to dig their own grave and risk tainting the brand image.

[Vchan3]

Oh its there, check http://www.ibm.ca/eppsales, but you need the login info, which I can't give out.

Why did you post this if you want fellow RFDer go onto the site?
What is your point?

[eelfliw]

Hurry up and buy these old stock before the new bunch comes out that is made by an entire different Chinese company.....in case you don't know, IBM sold their desktops and notebooks business completely to a Chinese company...who knows what the quality is gonna be like..

Don't feed this ignorant troll.

Just open up your PC case and see how many parts are made in China vs not made in China.

[dgr81]

By the way, cursing and arguing in an ad hominem way really reflects on your character.

:confused:

[Hybrid88]

Lets keep on topic guys. I want to land a Thinkpad cheap.

[JayPatel]

keep it on subject,

thanks

[joeb]

OK

I understand that a stock holder can get a number so that he can buy at the epp price

lets say if I purchase a share, where can I find this number? :?:

[SLee]

Noticed there's a nice deal on an older T41 model at the EPP store:

For $1399, you get a T41 with a 1.6GHz Pentium-M (1MB L2 cache version), 512MB of memory, 32MB Radeon 9000, 3 Year warranty, 40GB 5400RPM drive and SXGA+ LCD display.

Here's the link to the laptop's detailed specifications:

http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8665537&storeId=124&langId=124&categoryId=2049168&dualCurrId=75&catalogId=-124

[TenzoR]

gotta ask my friend who works at IBM :)

[dgr81]

any deals?

[ukhan]

any deals?
Forgive me for the crappy formatting, but i just cut and paste it. Doesnt look like anything good except the T42.


ThinkPads
Part Number Description Qty Today's Price (each) Add to Cart
2722MU1 Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.4G 256MB 30GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 1 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2388DU1 Click for more Info ThinkPad G40 2.6G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home
Add Option 18 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
288772U Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 1.30G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 11 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
288773U Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 1.3G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home
Add Option 6 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2388CU2 Click for more Info ThinkPad G40 2.4G 256MB 30GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 2 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2722B6U Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.4G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 1 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2723BAU Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.4G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 7 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2388FU2 Click for more Info ThinkPad G40 2.8G 512MB 60GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 4 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2672P7U Click for more Info ThinkPad X31 1.6G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 1 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2722F6U Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.5G 256MB 20GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 1 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2722GU1 Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.5G 256MB 20GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 16 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
1831CU3 Click for more Info ThinkPad R50 1.4G 512MB 30GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 1 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2373CU0 Click for more Info ThinkPad T40 1.3G 512MB 30GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 2 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
23732U2 Click for more Info ThinkPad T40 1.3G 512MB 30GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 3 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2378DMU Click for more Info ThinkPad T41 1.4G 256MB 30GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 2 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2388MU2 Click for more Info ThinkPad G40 3.0G 512MB 60GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 7 $1,044.05 Add To Shopping Cart
1829W18 Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 1.6G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home
Add Option 3 $1,044.05 Add To Shopping Cart
26725KU Click for more Info ThinkPad X31 1.7G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 17 $1,044.05 Add To Shopping Cart
1830WAB Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 1.6G 512 60GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 7 $1,044.05 Add To Shopping Cart
1829KTU Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 725 512MB 60GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 10 $1,139.05 Add To Shopping Cart
23742U4 Click for more Info ThinkPad T40 1.5G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 4 $1,139.05 Add To Shopping Cart
23748U2 Click for more Info ThinkPad T41 1.6G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 4 $1,234.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2373WB4 Click for more Info ThinkPad T42 1.7G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 2 $1,329.05 Add To Shopping Cart

ThinkPads - French
Part Number Description Qty Today's Price (each) Add to Cart
2722B6F Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.4G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional FR 1 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
288772F Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 1.30G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional FR 1 $854.05 Add To Shopping Cart
2722L2F Click for more Info ThinkPad R40 1.6G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional FR 1 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
237113F Click for more Info ThinkPad X40 1.0 256MB 20GB 12.1 FR 1 $949.05 Add To Shopping Cart
26725ZF Click for more Info ThinkPad X31 1.7G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional FR 1 $1,044.05 Add To Shopping Cart
1829E4F Click for more Info ThinkPad R51 1.7G 1 512MB 80GB XP FR 3 $1,139.05 Add To Shopping Cart
23745F0 Click for more Info ThinkPad T40 1.5G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home FR 2 $1,139.05 Add To Shopping Cart
183222F Click for more Info ThinkPad R50P 1.7G 512MB 60GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional FR 1 $1,234.05 Add To Shopping Cart
183223F Click for more Info ThinkPad R50P 1.7G 512MB 60GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional FR 1 $1,234.05 Add To Shopping Cart
237381F Click for more Info ThinkPad T42 1.7G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 1 $1,329.05 Add To Shopping Cart

Desktops
Part Number Description Qty Today's Price (each) Add to Cart
8084A1U Click for more Info ThinkCentre A50 2.4G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 21 $379.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8187WGY Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 2.66G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 1 $379.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8084D2U Click for more Info ThinkCentre A50 C 2.6G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 3 $474.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8084E2U Click for more Info ThinkCentre A50 C 2.8G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 3 $474.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8187SUA Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 2.8G 256MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 12 $474.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8189K3U Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 2.8G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 2 $474.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8187F2U Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.06G 256 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 12 $569.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8187RDU Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.0G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 1 $569.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8187MUU Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.0G 1GB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Home 15 $569.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8190KUE Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.0G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 5 $569.05 Add To Shopping Cart
8187G3U Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.2G 512 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Add Option 14 $616.55 Add To Shopping Cart

[TenzoR]

hm ..R50P french

but i dunno for the french version does it mean the bios is french? can I not change that (or reflash it) to english?

if you look at the spec its good
P M 1.7GHz, 512MB RAM, 60GB 7200rpm HDD, 15 UXGA(1600x1200) TFT LCD, 128MB ATI FireGL T2, CD-RW/DVD-R Multi-burner, Bluetooth/Modem(CDC), 1Gb Ethernet(LOM), Intel 802.11b wireless, Secure Chip (TCPA), 9 cell Li-Ion battery, WinXP Pro

edit there is two version 183222F and 183223F

the difference between the two is

183222F = IBM 802.11a/b/g wireless
183223F = Intel 802.11b wireless

[dgr81]

Forgive me for the crappy formatting, but i just cut and paste it. Doesnt look like anything good except the T42.

thanks man. the t42p is a steal!

[ukhan]

thanks man. the t42p is a steal!

There is no T42P, its a T42. Nevertheless, I think thats the best deal there.

[dgr81]

There is no T42P, its a T42. Nevertheless, I think thats the best deal there.
that's what i meant sorry. i'm trying to get a friend who has an ibm sales rep to get him the username/pw.

[eliteblaze]

how come no one listened to my advice? it's the same sale as www.ibm.ca/store/ except 5% cehaper which is good but if you guys want to buy it you still can =)

[Maz_Atenza]

what about desktops any deal you think?

[dgr81]

how come no one listened to my advice? it's the same sale as www.ibm.ca/store/ except 5% cehaper which is good but if you guys want to buy it you still can =)
We're sorry there are no products available for the program at this time.

Please click on "home" to view other on-line offers.

:confused:

[eliteblaze]

heavy traffic. the epp sales is just a link to the normal sale but at 5% off. they stocking and such are dynamic of hte public sale

[Maz_Atenza]

any good deals on desktop??hard to get in, and hard to find all the spec
tks

[ukhan]

heavy traffic. the epp sales is just a link to the normal sale but at 5% off. they stocking and such are dynamic of hte public sale

Looks like you are right, but nevertheless, there aren't any amazing deals as I expected. Thank god I bought a good cheap laptop before instead of waiting till boxing day.

[ukhan]

any good deals on desktop??hard to get in, and hard to find all the spec
tks

I quoted all the prices, take a look at my previous reply.

[eliteblaze]

IBM seems to never offer the public any crazy deals like those seen in EPP a month ago.

[dgr81]

t42 is sold out

[Maz_Atenza]

why i ukhan posted

8190KUE Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.0G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 5 $569.05 Add To Shopping Cart

and now i see

8190KUE Click for more Info ThinkCentre M50 3.0G 512MB 40GB Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional 1 $599.00 Add To Shopping Cart

price increase???

is this comming with dvd-rom and all option or just whats written?
cant get further than the listing of all puter availlable....
any taughts on pricing? good deal?
tks

[eliteblaze]

check specs on google or hte "regular" ibm sales section.

they may have increased price or you're seeing general prices vs. epp at 5% off.

[ainsane]

Bah the X31 doesnt even come with a CD-ROM drive :P

[JustMike]

OK

I understand that a stock holder can get a number so that he can buy at the epp price

lets say if I purchase a share, where can I find this number? :?:

You get a mailing on a quarterly basis (I think, perhaps more often) containing that number. Unfortunately, I received mine recently and have since thrown it out :( I could use one of those Txx models...

[JustMike]

Bah the X31 doesnt even come with a CD-ROM drive :P

Along with ultraportability (2.9lb traveling weight) comes compromise.

[chatbox]

Sounds like a bunch of BS, ud666. Yes, the Japanese have different models and lots of stuff that don't come to North America, but I find it very difficult to believe that we're getting Japanese rejects. Exactly how arrogant are these people to even suggest that the western world is not deserving of their finest stuff?

You might be surprise to find out how arrogant the Japanese nation really is then.

[joeb]

Where can I order the laptops for only 5% more than the epp price?
cant find it anywhere :cry:

[joeb]

if you are referring to the clearance sales, then only really crappy laptops are left :o

[JustMike]

You might be surprise to find out how arrogant the Japanese nation really is then.

I always thought the Japanese were relatively humble, but I've had recent experiences that say otherwise.

[sfrancis]

Will they have some new stock tomorrow or that's it ?

Thanks

[eliteblaze]

they'll have new stock as soon as everything is gone i believe. that's ibm tradition. but they'll be still "cheaper" models. their high end models are all out of stock I believe. If you go to their wbesite anything that says call for availability is usually out of stock.

[sfrancis]

they'll have new stock as soon as everything is gone i believe. that's ibm tradition. but they'll be still "cheaper" models. their high end models are all out of stock I believe. If you go to their wbesite anything that says call for availability is usually out of stock.

Thanks. Had my eye on a T41 512MB RAM, 60GB 7200rmp HD CDRW/DVD for $1299, but by the time I'm ready to order, it's all gone. Now they only have 256MB 5400 rpm/40G HD for the same price.

[eliteblaze]

wow that's a good deal. that HD by itself is like 2-3 bills

[eliteblaze]

hmm I couldn't find that on the list posted on page 3.. was that before he posted it up?

[sfrancis]

hmm I couldn't find that on the list posted on page 3.. was that before he posted it up?

No, that should be after as I saw 5 available this afternoon. I couldn't believe the price myself first and double check it. And then 1 hour later, it's all gone.

[SLee]

hmm I couldn't find that on the list posted on page 3.. was that before he posted it up?
There are still EPP deals if you click on the image with "Exclusive to Employee's and Friends" text. The best deal remaining is the $1399 T41 I mentioned in the last page.

[sfrancis]

There are still EPP deals if you click on the image with "Exclusive to Employee's and Friends" text. The best deal remaining is the $1399 T41 I mentioned in the last page.

Hm, to me it seems that the 60G 7200 rpm HD is still a better deal and $100 cheaper. Can't remember the processor speed but I would say 7200 rpm is more important ? I'm confused by their pricing.

[SLee]

Hm, to me it seems that the 60G 7200 rpm HD is still a better deal and $100 cheaper. Can't remember the processor speed but I would say 7200 rpm is more important ? I'm confused by their pricing.
This one has a better screen. You can easily upgrade the HD, but to replace the LCD screen is much more complex.

[techboss]

The other bonus on the $1,399 machine is Radeon 9000 Versus Radeon 7500.

So for $100 More you pay for SXGA and Radeon 9000 Upgrade and a Downgrade to 40GB 5400.

[sfrancis]

technoss and SLee: thanks for pointing it out for me. Now it makes more sense.

Do we see significant performance difference between ATI 9000 and 7500 series ?

Another question: could anybody confirm the spec for 2374 2U4: on IBM website it's mentioned that it is Win2000 but in the list given by ukhan, it seems to be XP Pro. So which one is correct ? I would imagine it's quite a hassle to switch from 2000 to XP and re-install all device drivers ?

Thanks

[techboss]

technoss and SLee: thanks for pointing it out for me. Now it makes more sense.

Do we see significant performance difference between ATI 9000 and 7500 series ?

Another question: could anybody confirm the spec for 2374 2U4: on IBM website it's mentioned that it is Win2000 but in the list given by ukhan, it seems to be XP Pro. So which one is correct ? I would imagine it's quite a hassle to switch from 2000 to XP and re-install all device drivers ?

Thanks

2374-2U4 is all sold out. Yes on the website the 2374-2U4 shows Windows 2000. I think it is a typo on IBM site.

I think it is not so much of a 9000 Vs 7500, but more of a XGA Vs SXGA. SXGA seem to fall into premium line while XGA mid class screen. SXGA has smaller fonts and can be anoying for some.

[eliteblaze]

on a 14'' screen i think xga is better.

[sfrancis]

2374-2U4 is all sold out. Yes on the website the 2374-2U4 shows Windows 2000. I think it is a typo on IBM site.

I think it is not so much of a 9000 Vs 7500, but more of a XGA Vs SXGA. SXGA seem to fall into premium line while XGA mid class screen. SXGA has smaller fonts and can be anoying for some.

Thanks for the great info. I think I'd better go with XGA since I hate small font.

[joeb]

I have no access to epp and I really need a laptop.

Wil they have anymore sales soon? I am not gonna apy 2300 for a t42... :confused:

[eliteblaze]

they are resdtocking when they run out. luck of hte draw? they have some okay r series laptops

[joeb]

i couldnt resist and bought the r51 with the m716 chip :confused:

[eliteblaze]

i'm sure you'll be happy with your pruchase. IBM makes good quality laptops, performance may not be hte best but for everyday use it's fine.

[joeb]

I am getting it for my parents
I think quality is the thing people should look for
even the r series is not as goo as the T, I still read good things about it

way better than junk like compaq, acer, dell etc

I was consider the toshiba but they dont have any laptop under 1500 with a centrino ;)

[techboss]

I placed my order from the EPP part of the site early Dec 24, and have not heard anything from them yet. Did anyone who ordered at around the same time got a respond from IBM? Yea I know its holiday time and no one works, but I am excited to get it.

[Tan]

I placed my order from the EPP part of the site early Dec 24, and have not heard anything from them yet. Did anyone who ordered at around the same time got a respond from IBM? Yea I know its holiday time and no one works, but I am excited to get it.

I ordered mine on December 23rd and have yet to receive anything besides an automated confirmation email.

[jozero]

It was previously mentioned most people are expecting them first week of January. If you call them they'll let you know when it has shipped, but will not give you a tracking number.