D00d wjat is ur G.P.A>!? ?!??!?

[adamtheman]

So now that studying is over for most NORMAL people, and marks are in... What was your GPA for this term?

I ended up with a 2.83 for the following reasons:

1. I am unmotivated
2. I am probably dumber than I think
3. All my professors were male and, last time I checked, I don't have a big breasts
4. I discovered this site and spent my two weeks before final exams sending in rebate forms instead of studying...

What are YOUR excuses?

[Un4GivN]

With 5 of 6 courses responding with marks, I'm currently sitting at a 4.0. I don't think my 6th course will be an A, which is a bummer...but would still leave me sitting close to 3.9. What a killer way to end my schooling! Ahh, finally FINALLY done!!! :D

[Immortal]

With 5 of 6 courses responding with marks, I'm currently sitting at a 4.0. I don't think my 6th course will be an A, which is a bummer...but would still leave me sitting close to 3.9. What a killer way to end my schooling! Ahh, finally FINALLY done!!! :D

Good stuff! Time to apply for graduate school?

Man, I wish I'm that good... Grats!

[Un4GivN]

Good stuff! Time to apply for graduate school?

Man, I wish I'm that good... Grats!

Thanks. :) No graduate school yet, need to start making some cash! I can't even imagine how nice it will feel coming home from work, sitting on the couch and having NO homework to do. No assignments coming up, no quizzes or tests to study for. It will be a very very nice feeling. :)

So, yeah...no graduate school just yet!! :D

[koshimaro]

So now that studying is over for most NORMAL people,

Damn you normal people! Last final is 9am Tues >:(

[danfromwaterloo]

Thanks. :) No graduate school yet, need to start making some cash! I can't even imagine how nice it will feel coming home from work, sitting on the couch and having NO homework to do. No assignments coming up, no quizzes or tests to study for. It will be a very very nice feeling. :)

So, yeah...no graduate school just yet!! :D

Actually dude, its not as good as you think. Been in the workforce now for 8 months. Those 8 months seem like a heartbeat. Time speeds up when you don't have homework and studying. And its not as fun. BUT you do get money. Money is good.

[sonick]

This semester? Thus far for 2 of my 4 courses

4.00 :D

Infotech & Mgmt = A+
Macroeconomics = A-

[Un4GivN]

You get 4.0 for an A-??!?!?? :eek:

[Aristophanes]

A solid 2.20, baby!!! Overall, 2.5. Bah, enough to graduate in June is good enough for me!!!! :cheesygri

[Headhunter]

Graduated twice; 1st time got a 3.5, 2nd time finished with a 3.6. I skipped a lot of classes, and surfed the Web a lot when I attended; could have done a lot better.

[Blazin_Sunfire]

not good....lousy accounting....

[Montague]

You get 4.0 for an A-??!?!?? :eek:
well the dudes A+ cancels out the A- to give him a 4.0. ;)

[Un4GivN]

So what GPA is an A+? 4.3? In my school, A is the highest you can get, and is a 4.0. A- is 3.7. If I had one of each, I would get 3.85 assuming both classes were weighed the same. I've never heard of an A+ and an A- averaging out to a 4.0.

[Montague]

So what GPA is an A+? 4.3? In my school, A is the highest you can get, and is a 4.0. A- is 3.7. If I had one of each, I would get 3.85 assuming both classes were weighed the same. I've never heard of an A+ and an A- averaging out to a 4.0.
In my old school there was no A+ either so much in your case an A was a 4.0.

I assumed A+ would be > 4.0.

That is why I said an A+ would balance out the A-.

My last GPA was an unremarkable 2.9.

[NLI10D]

i could be wrong but A and A+ still has a GPA equivalent of 4.0 would explain why he'd get less than 4.0 after the A-

[sonick]

You get 4.0 for an A-??!?!?? :eek:
Average of the two... A+ + A- / 2 = A

it IS possible to get a 4.30 GPA... though that would make it impossible to have any life...

[adamtheman]

i could be wrong but A and A+ still has a GPA equivalent of 4.0 would explain why he'd get less than 4.0 after the A-

Many schools use the 4.33 GPA system. Basically it's:

A+ = 4.33
A = 4.00
A- = 3.67
B+ = 3.33
B = 3.00
B- = 2.67
C+ = 2.33
C = 2.00
C- = 1.67
D = 1.00
F = 0.00

The big problem with the 4.33 system is many schools haven't adjusted their marks appropriately to reflect it. In other words, many colleges still have it so a 90% or higher is an A+. That means glade inflation. Most of the classes at my school right now are basically switching to something like this.

A+ = 95-100%
A = 90-94%
A- = 84-89%

B+ = 78-83%
B = 73-77%
B- = 68-72%

C+ = 64-67%
C = 60-63%
C- = 55-59%

D = 50-54%

F = 0-49%

So I mean obviously this is a much harder system.

[CodecX81]

Thanks. :) No graduate school yet, need to start making some cash! I can't even imagine how nice it will feel coming home from work, sitting on the couch and having NO homework to do. No assignments coming up, no quizzes or tests to study for. It will be a very very nice feeling. :)

So, yeah...no graduate school just yet!! :D
I disagree with Danfromwaterloo.

I'm finished and working full time, my girlfriend and her bro are still in univ.. and man.. Seeing their stress levels at exam time, having to wake up for 8am classes... NO THANKS

Mon to Fri 9-5....having 6 hrs after work to chill... and then the weekends as well. I have not had this kind of freedom since grade school.

Not to say I do not want to go back to school. I need to improve myself some more. But that won't happen for a few years yet.

[adamtheman]

I disagree with Danfromwaterloo.

I'm finished and working full time, my girlfriend and her bro are still in univ.. and man.. Seeing their stress levels at exam time, having to wake up for 8am classes... NO THANKS

Mon to Fri 9-5....having 6 hrs after work to chill... and then the weekends as well. I have not had this kind of freedom since grade school.

Not to say I do not want to go back to school. I need to improve myself some more. But that won't happen for a few years yet.

Well said. Students are definitely the hardest working people around. People who work 40 hours a week and complain are like the lowest to me. They don't realize how hard some other people work and how fortunate they are to have their 40 hours a week. And like you said, you get to sleep in (yeah, 8:30am is sleeping in!), get an hour of breaks a day, lunch, ect. and when you get home and sit on the couch, you don't have to think about work (unless you have a job that haunts you at home too). Tis the life!

[FuNPoLiCe001]

Well said. Students are definitely the hardest working people around. People who work 40 hours a week and complain are like the lowest to me. They don't realize how hard some other people work and how fortunate they are to have their 40 hours a week. And like you said, you get to sleep in (yeah, 8:30am is sleeping in!), get an hour of breaks a day, lunch, ect. and when you get home and sit on the couch, you don't have to think about work (unless you have a job that haunts you at home too). Tis the life!

well, that would be the difference between getting a job and a career right

a job you go in, you leave it and you come back

if you want to build a career, you can't really do that

[adamtheman]

well, that would be the difference between getting a job and a career right

a job you go in, you leave it and you come back

if you want to build a career, you can't really do that


Yeah... I don't really know what you mean. Do you mean that people who have jobs have earned them or something? All I am saying is that people who work 40 hours a week seem to think that they are doing their part to society and working hard, long hours. I mean we've all heard the song "working 9-5". But students work 24 hours a day and the stress is insane. People who work 9-5 jobs who never went to university just don't understand it either. It's dangerous.

[goob3r]

I've been working the past 8 months through internship. All the people out in the work force will probably snicker at the rest of what I'll say but, work is definitely not as glamerous as you think it is.

Work is very routine. The only difference in my work weeks is that now there is snow when there wasn't 8 months ago.

Work is more tiring than school because of repetition in the day.

School is more stressful, but work is more mundane. I miss bumping into friends on campus.

However, money talks. :cheesygri

[FuNPoLiCe001]

Yeah... I don't really know what you mean. Do you mean that people who have jobs have earned them or something? All I am saying is that people who work 40 hours a week seem to think that they are doing their part to society and working hard, long hours. I mean we've all heard the song "working 9-5". But students work 24 hours a day and the stress is insane. People who work 9-5 jobs who never went to university just don't understand it either. It's dangerous.

what i am saying, is that students aren't necessarily harder worker than someone who has a job, which is what you implied.

just around on campus or the people that you know. How many have 20 hours of class a week? How many actually GO to all 20 hours of class a week? You can say that there's reading and assignments and crap, but really that's all just crammed in right before it's due. The amount of time that a student actually spends working is minimal.

The same can be said for someone who has a job. If they only do what's assigned and don't reach for more, then that's what they'll get. I've always noticed that being harder working at a workplace just means you get more worked piled on you. So it would be quite easy to coast through work doing only the minimum. However, with that effort you will be stuck with this job forever.

Which to me is the difference between having a career and having a job. If you want a career, you have to put in he effort at work, which equals greater responsiblities, which equals working past 9-5 and worrying about work while you're home.

Which is why I said "that's the difference between getting a job and having a career".

[Hairball]

This semester I had 15 hours of class a week. But really it's about 12 hours when you factor in all the time between classes and such.

And I don't study 24 hours a day, for the most part I do maybe 2-3 hours a day, on average. Sometimes there's a lot, other times there's not a lot, it really varies, but I think you are wrong when you say that students are much more stressed than workers.

The whole point of studying (or at least should be) is to prepare yourself for the workplace.

[adamtheman]

what i am saying, is that students aren't necessarily harder worker than someone who has a job, which is what you implied.

just around on campus or the people that you know. How many have 20 hours of class a week? How many actually GO to all 20 hours of class a week? You can say that there's reading and assignments and crap, but really that's all just crammed in right before it's due. The amount of time that a student actually spends working is minimal.

The same can be said for someone who has a job. If they only do what's assigned and don't reach for more, then that's what they'll get. I've always noticed that being harder working at a workplace just means you get more worked piled on you. So it would be quite easy to coast through work doing only the minimum. However, with that effort you will be stuck with this job forever.

Which to me is the difference between having a career and having a job. If you want a career, you have to put in he effort at work, which equals greater responsiblities, which equals working past 9-5 and worrying about work while you're home.

Which is why I said "that's the difference between getting a job and having a career".


I see your point now and I feel it's a good one. There are professions that force people to work just as hard (Business, Law, Medicine, ect.) if not harder than students. I guess the problem is that, not only are students working hard, and not only do they not get paid for those 20 hours in class, but they also have to pay for it. Having a job or career can indeed be challenging, but there are definitely less stresses. Going to school and studying super hard and watching your student loans build up can be really stressful for a 19 year old.

Bottom line is, for the most part, it's tough to be a student these days. Yeah, there are students who slack off, but the majority are pretty stressed out.

[mbg]

Actually dude, its not as good as you think. Been in the workforce now for 8 months. Those 8 months seem like a heartbeat. Time speeds up when you don't have homework and studying. And its not as fun. BUT you do get money. Money is good.

I've been out for 3 years, but I found that it was a slight adjustment to stop dividing my life into 4-month compartments. I'm doing part-time Masters now, though, in addition to work, so the 4-month thing has come back a little...

[mbg]

Having a job or career can indeed be challenging, but there are definitely less stresses. Going to school and studying super hard and watching your student loans build up can be really stressful for a 19 year old.

Bottom line is, for the most part, it's tough to be a student these days. Yeah, there are students who slack off, but the majority are pretty stressed out.

IMO, it's even more stressful for a student when the job market doesn't look so good. On top of what you said, you also have to face the possibility that you won't get a job when you graduate, or you will not get a job that will allow you to effectively service your student debt.

[mbg]

what i am saying, is that students aren't necessarily harder worker than someone who has a job, which is what you implied.

just around on campus or the people that you know. How many have 20 hours of class a week? How many actually GO to all 20 hours of class a week? You can say that there's reading and assignments and crap, but really that's all just crammed in right before it's due. The amount of time that a student actually spends working is minimal.

There's also the fact that many students don't make much of an effort to keep themselves out of debt. Some of them tend to see university as a time in their life when they are entitled to have a good time, all of the time. Not much thought is given to money, so in addition to the student loans are credit card debts.

There are some students out there who have rich parents (or parents who planned effectively for their child's education), and they can afford to do this. But, there are also students who COULD afford to get by without taking a loan if only they lived within their means.

[adamtheman]

There's also the fact that many students don't make much of an effort to keep themselves out of debt. Some of them tend to see university as a time in their life when they are entitled to have a good time, all of the time. Not much thought is given to money, so in addition to the student loans are credit card debts.

There are some students out there who have rich parents (or parents who planned effectively for their child's education), and they can afford to do this. But, there are also students who COULD afford to get by without taking a loan if only they lived within their means.

That's the typical "argument" used to try and discredit students and their hardwork. I'm not like that, and any student who plans to have a future is not either. And what efforts can a student take to "keep themselves out of debt". ENGLIGHTEN ME. Get a job? Don't eat? Go to school one year, then take one year off an take 8 years to complete a degree? How would any of these help the stress level of an already badgered student. The last thing I need is to take on a job. I know what you are going to say... "Lots of students have jobs and find time to take school". And you'll have just made my point if you say that, because that is another misconception made by many people. Stories about students working two jobs and stuff. Do you think that's normal and do you think any human should be forced to work two jobs + go to school full-time just to get a decent job?

[CodecX81]

There's also the fact that many students don't make much of an effort to keep themselves out of debt. Some of them tend to see university as a time in their life when they are entitled to have a good time, all of the time. Not much thought is given to money, so in addition to the student loans are credit card debts.
I agree, and I can personally attest to this.
ate out every friday (given) Saw every movie.. splurged on Christmas gifts..got a dual P3 server.. geforce4 ($614!).. Lived life big, thinking "when i get out, oh man I'm gonna make so much!! THIS LIFE ROX!!"

Then came graduation, lot of contract jobs.. aaaand taxes ;)
On a side note, the P3 server, mobo died. lol


My personal advancement has been a direct result of the fact that I came out of college with a massive 32k in debt... and if you add in the fact that my girlfriend also had something along these lines, and I would one day marry her and we'd share each others debt... We both started to buckle down and dig deep to situate ourselves.

[midg8]

Actually dude, its not as good as you think. Been in the workforce now for 8 months. Those 8 months seem like a heartbeat. Time speeds up when you don't have homework and studying. And its not as fun. BUT you do get money. Money is good.


Totally agree. I miss school so much. Its just a different atmosphear there (more fun I think). Working life sucks, gramnted I like the money :D

[mbg]

That's the typical "argument" used to try and discredit students and their hardwork. I'm not like that, and any student who plans to have a future is not either. And what efforts can a student take to "keep themselves out of debt". ENGLIGHTEN ME. Get a job? Don't eat? Go to school one year, then take one year off an take 8 years to complete a degree? How would any of these help the stress level of an already badgered student. The last thing I need is to take on a job. I know what you are going to say... "Lots of students have jobs and find time to take school". And you'll have just made my point if you say that, because that is another misconception made by many people. Stories about students working two jobs and stuff. Do you think that's normal and do you think any human should be forced to work two jobs + go to school full-time just to get a decent job?

Maybe you're not one of the students in "there are also students who COULD".

I actually don't think that students should take jobs during the school year. By getting a good summer job, being disciplined with your spending in summer and during the school year, and with some parental assistance, it is possible to make it work.

Cell phones, alcohol, cars, and eating out are a few things that are not always necessary, but that many students choose to spend their money on when they could be putting it into their education. In effect, all of the money that is spend that is not essential is part of the debt, no matter how you structure it on paper. If you eat out a lot while in school (fast food, pop from vending machines, etc) and are taking a student loan, you are borrowing money to eat out. Likewise, you're borrowing money to service your cell phone, and you're borrowing money to put gas in your car. You're giving yourself a debt in 4 years time used to pay something that lasted you only days or weeks. And that's one of the biggest errors in taking out debt -- don't take on debt for something for which you will still be paying for it after it has outlived its usefulness.

I am not saying that it's possible for everyone. I'm saying that it's possible for some, and some of those don't choose to make an effort to make it work. That's all.

[mbg]

Do you think that's normal and do you think any human should be forced to work two jobs + go to school full-time just to get a decent job?

No, I don't. But, you don't have to go to a faraway university to get a decent job. You can go to college, which is cheaper. You can go to a school closer to home, which can drastically cut your living expenses if your parents will support you.

Nobody is entitled to a decent job. When that kind of thinking exists, you get things like the Koebel brothers.

There are clearly people for which it is not possible to get a degree debt-free. I am mostly speaking about things I observed while I was in university about 3 years ago. I did not have to take an OSAP loan, but the majority of people I knew who had OSAP loans had a much more expensive lifestyle than I did. If I had had their lifestyle, I would have needed a loan.

[65505201]

Damn U of T. If they would only use this system....my letter grades would look so much better.

Many schools use the 4.33 GPA system. Basically it's:

A+ = 4.33
A = 4.00
A- = 3.67
B+ = 3.33
B = 3.00
B- = 2.67
C+ = 2.33
C = 2.00
C- = 1.67
D = 1.00
F = 0.00

The big problem with the 4.33 system is many schools haven't adjusted their marks appropriately to reflect it. In other words, many colleges still have it so a 90% or higher is an A+. That means glade inflation. Most of the classes at my school right now are basically switching to something like this.

A+ = 95-100%
A = 90-94%
A- = 84-89%

B+ = 78-83%
B = 73-77%
B- = 68-72%

C+ = 64-67%
C = 60-63%
C- = 55-59%

D = 50-54%

F = 0-49%

So I mean obviously this is a much harder system.

[adamtheman]

Maybe you're not one of the students in "there are also students who COULD".

I actually don't think that students should take jobs during the school year. By getting a good summer job, being disciplined with your spending in summer and during the school year, and with some parental assistance, it is possible to make it work.

Cell phones, alcohol, cars, and eating out are a few things that are not always necessary, but that many students choose to spend their money on when they could be putting it into their education. In effect, all of the money that is spend that is not essential is part of the debt, no matter how you structure it on paper. If you eat out a lot while in school (fast food, pop from vending machines, etc) and are taking a student loan, you are borrowing money to eat out. Likewise, you're borrowing money to service your cell phone, and you're borrowing money to put gas in your car. You're giving yourself a debt in 4 years time used to pay something that lasted you only days or weeks. And that's one of the biggest errors in taking out debt -- don't take on debt for something for which you will still be paying for it after it has outlived its usefulness.

I am not saying that it's possible for everyone. I'm saying that it's possible for some, and some of those don't choose to make an effort to make it work. That's all.


One again you talked about things which most would consider neccesities.

Here is basically what you are saying: "It's your fault that you are in debt because you have a cell phone and a car and eat out at restaurants.". So what should I do? Eat macaroni every day? Take a 45 minute bus to school 12 times a week (Not so rediculous, you'd be shocked at how many people do this at my college), and not have a cell phone with me? First and foremost I do all of these and none of them are really big expenses. $25 a month for my cell phone, $143 a month for insurance + $45 for gas (it's a tracker) and by eating out, I mean McDonalds and stuff, which is actually cheaper than cooking at home. I never eat at fancy restaurants. White Spot is about the best for me, and even then my bill comes to a grand total of about $11 (once a week).

Now, rent on the other hand. I pay $550 a month for rent. I could share with someone though and only pay $350, so lets factor that in. I also pay $65 a month for cable, telephone and internet. But those are not neccesities. I don't need TV and I can use internet at the college, oh, and I can just use the payphone 6 blocks down when I need to talk to anyone, or I can use the house phone since I'm staying with 3 roommates now to save $200 in rent. And as far as clothes go, I usually spend about $40 a month, but I'm thinking now, I paid like $12 for this shirt at zellers, but I could just get those cheap t-shirts in a bag. You get like 3 for $5!

So that sounds good to me. I will be a student who lives with 3 other roommates in a small 100 sqf bedroom, no car, no phone, no TV, no internet, no eating out, crappy clothes and still go to school 20 hours a week (tack on another 10 hours for the bus rides there and back) + still go into debt over tuition fees. And for your info, I go to a community college right now because of the fees, otherwise I would have continued going to a university like planned.

[mbg]

One again you talked about things which most would consider neccesities.

Here is basically what you are saying: "It's your fault that you are in debt because you have a cell phone and a car and eat out at restaurants.". So what should I do? Eat macaroni every day? Take a 45 minute bus to school 12 times a week (Not so rediculous, you'd be shocked at how many people do this at my college), and not have a cell phone with me? First and foremost I do all of these and none of them are really big expenses. $25 a month for my cell phone, $143 a month for insurance + $45 for gas (it's a tracker) and by eating out, I mean McDonalds and stuff, which is actually cheaper than cooking at home. I never eat at fancy restaurants. White Spot is about the best for me, and even then my bill comes to a grand total of about $11 (once a week).

Now, rent on the other hand. I pay $550 a month for rent. I could share with someone though and only pay $350, so lets factor that in. I also pay $65 a month for cable, telephone and internet. But those are not neccesities. I don't need TV and I can use internet at the college, oh, and I can just use the payphone 6 blocks down when I need to talk to anyone, or I can use the house phone since I'm staying with 3 roommates now to save $200 in rent. And as far as clothes go, I usually spend about $40 a month, but I'm thinking now, I paid like $12 for this shirt at zellers, but I could just get those cheap t-shirts in a bag. You get like 3 for $5!

So that sounds good to me. I will be a student who lives with 3 other roommates in a small 100 sqf bedroom, no car, no phone, no TV, no internet, no eating out, crappy clothes and still go to school 20 hours a week (tack on another 10 hours for the bus rides there and back) + still go into debt over tuition fees. And for your info, I go to a community college right now because of the fees, otherwise I would have continued going to a university like planned.

Like I said, I don't know your situation. However, from experience:

- eating out is rarely cheaper than cooking it yourself, even if you eat at McDonalds. And, you'll get more nutritious meals by making them yourself, which you need as a student. I spent approx. $145/month on food (I know this because I tracked my expenses), and rarely ate out. That's twenty-nine $5 meals, and I'm certain I ate more than 29 times per month :). I didn't eat macaroni once during that month.

- having roommates allows you to share certain common services besides the rent itself, such as phone, Internet, and cable

- a cell phone is not a necessity. You say it's only $25 a month, but that's more than $1000 over the duration of a 4-year university degree.

- I probably spent about $300 on clothes over the entire duration of my 4-year degree. Nothing wrong with spending more than that, but please recognize that it's a "want" and not a "need", and that it's about $1500 less than you say you spend.

Anyway, with the clothes and cell phone expense alone, I probably would have had to take out a loan to finish my degree. I did not have a car, and I rarely drank alcohol. Those would have been additional expenses requiring a loan. Your car expenses amount to more than $8000 over 4 years, not including maintenance and depreciation. Adding up, we're already over $10,000 now before considering all of the other expenses not yet included.

[trusoulja2g]

OMG. At McMaster, A+ = 4.0, A = 3.9!!! At least U of T gives 4.0 for an A.

Damn U of T. If they would only use this system....my letter grades would look so much better.

Originally Posted by adamtheman
Many schools use the 4.33 GPA system. Basically it's:

A+ = 4.33
A = 4.00
A- = 3.67
B+ = 3.33
B = 3.00
B- = 2.67
C+ = 2.33
C = 2.00
C- = 1.67
D = 1.00
F = 0.00

The big problem with the 4.33 system is many schools haven't adjusted their marks appropriately to reflect it. In other words, many colleges still have it so a 90% or higher is an A+. That means glade inflation. Most of the classes at my school right now are basically switching to something like this.

A+ = 95-100%
A = 90-94%
A- = 84-89%

B+ = 78-83%
B = 73-77%
B- = 68-72%

C+ = 64-67%
C = 60-63%
C- = 55-59%

D = 50-54%

F = 0-49%

So I mean obviously this is a much harder system.

[awestruck]

I go to UofT Downtown. Where do I find out my GPA? Do they mail it to us?

[felixdd]

I go to UofT Downtown. Where do I find out my GPA? Do they mail it to us?
It's on your academic history on ROSI.