Sony and Nvidia = PS3 GPU

[JayPatel]

Hot Damn!!!

Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and NVIDIA Announce Joint GPU Development for SCEI's Next-Generation Computer Entertainment System

TOKYO and SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) and NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA) today announced that the companies have been collaborating on bringing advanced graphics technology and computer entertainment technology to SCEI's highly anticipated next-generation computer entertainment system. Both companies are jointly developing a custom graphics processing unit (GPU) incorporating NVIDIA's next-generation GeForce(TM) and SCEI's system solutions for next-generation computer entertainment systems featuring the Cell* processor.

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This collaboration is made under a broad, multi-year, royalty-bearing agreement. The powerful custom GPU will be the graphics and image processing foundation for a broad range of applications from computer entertainment to broadband applications. The agreement will encompass future Sony digital consumer electronics products.

"In the future, the experience of computer entertainment systems and broadband-ready PCs will be fused together to generate and transfer multi-streams of rich content simultaneously. In this sense, we have found the best way to integrate the state-of-the-art technologies from NVIDIA and SCEI," said Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy president and COO, Sony Corporation, and president and Group CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. "Our collaboration includes not only the chip development but also a variety of graphics development tools and middleware, essential for efficient content creation."

"We are thrilled to partner with Sony Computer Entertainment to build what will certainly be one of the most important computer entertainment and digital media platforms of the twenty-first century," added Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO, NVIDIA. "Over the past two years NVIDIA has worked closely with Sony Computer Entertainment on their next-generation computer entertainment system. In parallel, we have been designing our next-generation GeForce GPU. The combination of the revolutionary Cell processor and NVIDIA's graphics technologies will enable the creation of breathtaking imagery that will surprise and captivate consumers."

The custom GPU will be manufactured at Sony Group's Nagasaki Fab2 as well as OTSS (joint fabrication facility of Toshiba and Sony).

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* "Cell" is the code-name for an advanced microprocessor under development by IBM, Toshiba and Sony Group.

About Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

Recognized as the global leader and company responsible for the progression of consumer-based computer entertainment, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) manufacturers, distributes and markets the PlayStation(R) game console and PlayStation(R)2 computer entertainment system. PlayStation has revolutionized home entertainment by introducing advanced 3D graphic processing, and PlayStation 2 further enhances the PlayStation legacy as the core of home networked entertainment. SCEI, along with its subsidiary divisions Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc., Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd., and Sony Computer Entertainment Korea Inc. develops, publishes, markets and distributes software, and manages the third party licensing programs for these two platforms in the respective markets worldwide. Headquartered in Tokyo, Japan, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. is an independent business unit of the Sony Group.

About NVIDIA

NVIDIA Corporation is a worldwide leader in graphics and digital media processors. The Company's products enhance the end-user experience on consumer and professional computing devices. NVIDIA graphics processing units (GPUs), media and communications processors (MCPs), and wireless media processors (WMPs) have broad market reach and are incorporated into a variety of platforms, including consumer and enterprise PCs, notebooks, workstations, PDAs, mobile phones, and video game consoles. NVIDIA is headquartered in Santa Clara, California and employs more than 2,000 people worldwide. For more information, visit the Company's Web site at www.nvidia.com.

Certain statements in this press release including, but not limited to, statements as to the development of the custom GPU, the benefits of the collaboration, the benefits, uses, and capabilities of the custom GPU and computer entertainment systems featuring the Cell processor, the fusion of computer entertainment systems and broadband systems, the agreement between the parties, and the manufacture of the custom GPU are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results to be materially different than expectations. Such risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to whether SCEI and NVIDIA continue the collaboration, whether SCEI continues to use the NVIDIA custom GPU as the foundation for a broad range of its applications, market acceptance of SCEI's next-generation computer entertainment system,, market acceptance of new products and technology, delays in ramping new products into production, manufacturing delays and defects, incompatibility of technologies, reliance on third-party manufacturers, general industry trends including cyclical trends in the semiconductor market, delays in integration of our products, the impact of competitive products and pricing alternatives, and other risks detailed from time to time in the NVIDIA reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission including its Form 10-Q for the quarter ended October 24, 2004. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date hereof. NVIDIA disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements.

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[TenzoR]

honestly no one really cares about the console hardware ..

as long as it works, provides smooth graphics, the consoles itself is not delayed ..

it'll keep the gamers happy

[Barton03]

Nvidia, Cell, Blue-Ray.

The PS3 just might be THE most powerful/interesting machine next gen. And it has so much support (IBM, Toshiba, Nvidia, SONY...)

[taro-chan]

Nvidia, Cell, Blue-Ray.

The PS3 just might be THE most powerful/interesting machine next gen. And it has so much support (IBM, Toshiba, Nvidia, SONY...)
*sigh*... sound familar? *cough*XBOX*cough*...

too much emphasize on hardware...
hardware support != software support
software support = sales
hardware support = break even at best
profit on cell tech will be bad if PS3 doesnt dominate the market, since they've invested so much into this market and already in a deep hole themselves.

anyone remember the first gen PS2 games?... terrible terrible. The PS2 was so hard to develop for it wasnt even comparable to DC graphics and gameplay. so sad.

Hardware is all good and well.. but is there software to back it up?... rumours has it that sony and square-enix arent getting along and there goes the RPG fanbase if that happens. Also most of the PS2 games were ported into XBOX and GC, so that may happen with the PS3.

[Carnage]

[QUOTE=taro-chanprofit on cell tech will be bad if PS3 doesnt dominate the market, since they've invested so much into this market and already in a deep hole themselves.
[/QUOTE]

And they won't dominate the market either.

The next gen console wars are going to be pretty even. Sony and MS are going to be going in on an even level.

This time Sony won't be coming in with a huge headstart. Hopefully they don't get cocky, otherwise they could take a serious blow to their ego.

[taro-chan]

And they won't dominate the market either.

The next gen console wars are going to be pretty even. Sony and MS are going to be going in on an even level.

This time Sony won't be coming in with a huge headstart. Hopefully they don't get cocky, otherwise they could take a serious blow to their ego.Hardware sales are usually a loss for consoles at time of release. As for the MS/Sony comparison, XBOX Next will have a huge headstart (almost 1 year). Its the reverse scenario from this generation.

As for Sony getting cocky, take a look at the PSP. Fighting on console and portable gaming. They will be pressed for time to develop for PSP, which means PSP will have a lot of PS2 and PS1 games and nothing really outstanding.

[ledorky]

Remember, this is $ony we're talking about. The most support by developers by far.
I haven't heard of disgruntled developers so far. With them announcing their collaboration only now, I doubt we'll see PS3 for quite some time. With nVidia on board, I shudder thinking of the console's pricetag and I doubt $ony is as willing as Microsoft is to lose money on hardware in a market they are currently dominating.
I thought M$ was stupid for launching their console so early but with PS3 taking its time to shape up, I think they have a great chance to take more marketshare from $ony and that's a good thing.
They still need to woo the Japanese developers though and broaden their horizons away from just the mature male North American market (*cough* FPS/sports *cough*).

[CodecX81]

rumours has it that sony and square-enix arent getting along and there goes the RPG fanbase if that happens.

Ya damn right! I follow Squeenix like a cult..I would appreciate sony with ATI chipset.. nvidiia has jaggies :(

..and they won't add texture support for backwards compatibility.. To make old 3d games look crazy awesome.. So I'll be relying on epsxe for years to come..bastards.

Taro, do you have any articles related to square-enix and sony being in dispute?

[Carnage]

Square-enix isn't the RPG juggernaut they used to be. Still a big name though.

But they stopped putting out quality titles a few FF's ago.

I stopped playing at FFX, and doubt I'll get back into the series.

[CodecX81]

Square-enix isn't the RPG juggernaut they used to be. Still a big name though.

But they stopped putting out quality titles a few FF's ago.

I stopped playing at FFX, and doubt I'll get back into the series.

My stance is.. they *might* bring out some good stuff.. if they smarten up.
I think they have a bad set of directors, thats all.. They're trying for cash-grabs, (lining their pockets with gold?) and not as much in high quality production. Personally, if I were them, I'd start pushing out ring-tone service on their website for cellphones for the revenue, so they can support their high maintenance, and in turn, use that revenue to support the high costs of blockbuster games.

You'd think with the calibre of games Enix produced, matched with the fantastic labels of Squaresofts past...It is a match made in heaven.

Fools...

[Headhunter]

1st reaction: cool! 2nd reaction: expensive!

Think I'd rather get a Nintendo Revolution...

[taro-chan]

rumours are just rumours.
sony isnt that happy that FFXII isnt released yet (obviously) and Square is talking its time with the massive delays. As for the other stuff, Sony's PSP is getting advert children for PSP, while FFI&II is remade on SP as well as a list of new titles exclusive to DS system.

Square Enix was also saying sometime in the summer that it may consider developing for XBOX. If Sony loses its Square exclusives, it will drive them out of the game. The other developers for Sony all have ported their games to PC and other consoles, (ie. GTA series). The only thing that has remained exclusives to the PS is GT, Jak, Ratchel and those are on their 4th 3rd and 3rd installments already.

Sony's games arent really that interesting to me as a console user other then their libary of RPGs. XBOX with XBL and lan. GC with its innovative and different games.

Not really looking forward to the PS3 as I can see GT5, Jak4,Ratchel4, killZone2, and other rehashes on that system. Halo 3 will come, ninja gaiden 2, Forza 2 etc for XBOX Next, and as for Nintendo Revolution, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, mario kart, and another smash bros.

games are about fun factor and honestly, PS2 doesnt do it for me. It does not keep my attention long enough to hold significance. Its more of the same, just a little better.

FYI: Zelda series has sold more then all of the FF series combined.

Carnage: FFX-2 is not produced under the same producer of the series and yes that was the worse FF ever IMO. Too easy, too dumb and too annoying. X-2 is what i think caused a dispute between the producer of FF series with the management, and something about FFXII being his last game (unless things have changed)

[sfu_lifer]

The PS2 still seems to get the first crack at everything (i.e. Konami - I love their musical stuff, main reason I got a PS2) as well as the Namco stuff. I bought all 3 because of all their exclusives and the Xbox for the versatility. I love that console. Can't beat the multimedia capabilities of it. I hope it lasts me a long time :). And Nintendo for the party games and the pure fun factor.
Sadly, I think I'll only go for just a single console for the next round. I don't have the time I used to have for gaming (plus the DS and PSP :( )

[taro-chan]

Sadly, I think I'll only go for just a single console for the next round. I don't have the time I used to have for gaming thats why whomever square enix supports the most will get my vote. Although i would love to see them return to Nintendo, but thats another story. =D

PS3 looks awesome regardless, but ya.. $$.

[Fantaz]

I would've rather preferred them choosing ATi graphics, oh well... still can't wait to see what the games will be like.

[konfusion666]

IMO, only one thing is certain, and that's largely due to Sony's track record; they'll sell lots of units. Compare 2004 world sales results of the PS2 vs. Xbox. The Xbox is still in DISTANT 2nd, and it's reaching End of Life soon, ain't it? ;)

The actual technology? Too early to tell...

And if XboxNext isn't as moddable as the current Xbox (possibility, since it's not using an Intel CPU or x86 architecture) the geeks will stay away from it too, eh?

[Fantaz]

I'm sure Microsoft is putting a lot more money into making Xbox 2 unhackable this time. Probably will have much better security to prevent modchips.

[FuNT]

The only reason the first xbox could be moded was due to a security flaw in the nvidia chipset - found by a MIT student!

Still there's always a way..

[ashtray13]

I'm sure Microsoft is putting a lot more money into making Xbox 2 unhackable this time. Probably will have much better security to prevent modchips.

I don't know if Modchips are such a bad idea. I would have never gotten the Xbox if I couldn't mod it. Thats just me though :)

[seefuthead]

funniest thing i heard today ps3 gonna use laser disc sized discs. like huge vinyl sized discs. over heard 2 nerds on bus talking about it. they said LOADING TIME WILL BE SO QUICK. i was thinking.... are u ******** thatll just make it longer to load and thats a step back in technology. lol

[webdoctors]

PS3=Blu Ray , mmmmmmmmmmm

[mahjongmaniac]

yah.... heard sony, ibm and toshiba are all getting 2gether to make this PS3 cpu.... pretty interesting .....

can't waitil it comes out....

n e 1 know the approx. price tag when it releases?

well, considering that PS2 was ~$500 when it came out..... i wudnt expect this new tech hardware 2 b ~$750 CAD or more..... (may b even $1k).....

[tmpz]

Well the best way is to wait now and wait after it comes out. Why? PS2 had crappy lasers from launch. I think I'll wait.

[taro-chan]

Well the best way is to wait now and wait after it comes out. Why? PS2 had crappy lasers from launch. I think I'll wait.
DRE anyone?

lol

[CodecX81]

Although i would love to see them return to Nintendo, but thats another story. =D

The 12yo in me feels the same way.
The bitter and jaded adult says.. Nintendo, why.. whyyyy

But realistically, Nintendo seems to have won Resident Evil series (grr) and they remade the coveted Metal Gear Solid (dbl grrr) for Squeenix to jump into the fray... All I'd need were ATLUS (Ogre battle) to make titles for them, a new earthbound / Side-scrolling Metroid / Zelda game to come out, a sequel to E.V.O.: Search for Eden, and my gaming age would reverse an exact 12 yrs in time.

I'd purchase "insert latest system here" almost immediately, and begin to pray for redesigned and Re-releases of FF 1-7. (The new FF1&2 GBA version rocks btw) C. Trigger, and various other titles from my childhood.


On the other hand, I would lose all backwards compatibility for everything else Sony made. So, it'd have to be re-hashed out to that system too. :D

[sfu_lifer]

The only way I'm gonna buy a console at launch now is if there is a shortage, then I can play it for a week and eBay it :P.
Otherwise, man, the drought between launch titles and the next quality release is pretty long (esp in the case of Nintendo systems). For the DS, nothing worthwhile is being released in December nor January :(
I'm left to playing Gameboy Advance games to keep the system busy. It's probably just me but I find Mario boring.

[taro-chan]

heh.. the RE series is finished at 4 and its going to be ported into Xbox and PS2 and from what ive been hearing, the producer wasnt too pleased about the porting of those games.

MGS, well, ya.. never really a big fan, but its rehash of PS1...
sidescrolling, i think GC should me a disk that comes with all the classic NES/SNES games the way they were.. that would SO own

however, this is the PS3 thread... i am just surprised they are going with Nvid for the GPU... seems rushed, althought nVid prob wanted a share of the console market after seeing the new MS and Nintendo will use ATI chipset.

nVid.. .*sigh*... wonder how that would pan out.

hmm.. FFI+II rehash is good?.. whats new about it from the original?

[CodecX81]

i am just surprised they are going with Nvid for the GPU... seems rushed, althought nVid prob wanted a share of the console market after seeing the new MS and Nintendo will use ATI chipset.
nVid.. .*sigh*... wonder how that would pan out.

My question is.. If you are going to make a next gen system, why would you base your GPU on "oranges" when your competition is using "apples"
(probably a cost thing, you are right)

But still. i guess nvidia did an OK job with xbox, but I like the visual quality of ATI. If memory serves, they were originally going with ATI right? .. I have a feeling this change of heart is going to result in either production delays, or a rushed release date :D Either way, we lose!!

hmm.. FFI+II rehash is good?.. whats new about it from the original?

....its not 8bit? :) lol. j/k.

I'm not really interested in playing 2.. I don't like the dynamics of the game.
But for FF1, for every "fiend" you beat, it opens up a sub-level filled with new monsters, and 4 bosses at the end, which are old bosses from the FF games, and in some cases just old favorites. The levels are filled with 'new' baddies to fight, But they're just re-paletted and renamed. ;)

Shinryu, Ultros, I think the train from FF6 is in it.. Gilgamesh..Master Chupon ..etc

Each boss has their own unique item to bring into the game. I just scored a Genji glove off of Gilgamesh. (Glad it wasn't Excali'p'ur..lol)

The graphics are slightly less than the PS1 rehash, but thats ok. You can buy more than 1 potion at a time, spells have adopted the more unified naming system:
fire, fira, firaga.. instead of BURN1 BURN2 BURN3, and if everyone targets an enemy and it dies mid-turn, they do not target it for "ineffective" (I hated that!!)

I think the game may be easier than the NES one. I'm currently attempting the "Single Thief" Mission in slot 1,
Single Wh. Mage in slot 2, and
un-upgraded White Mage party in slot 3.

In my single thief mission, I just got the airship.. the enemies in caves are no longer a problem, but the Fiends sure are!! Lich has 2000+ hp in this version (used to be 400 in NES) That battle resulted in a lot of resetting due to deadness.







:-0

[felix]

Exactly. The only reason PS2 and Xbox outsold Nintendo Gamecube is because they were "hackable" and games could easily be downloaded off the internet. Honestly, wouldn't you buy a Gamecube for the low price if you knew you could copy the games for FREE?


I don't know if Modchips are such a bad idea. I would have never gotten the Xbox if I couldn't mod it. Thats just me though :)

[taro-chan]

i guess nvidia did an OK job with xbox

Halo 2
graphic glitches.
runs at 30fps.
texture mapping only appears when objects are close.

Remember, Halo 2 is MS's bread n butter this year. I don't think they know how to develop using the nVidia chip properly yet and thus all those oddities.

However, compared with Metriod Prime: Echoes
no texture mappings, all character models look alike close and far
next to none graphical glitches
runs at 60fps

Comparing 1st party games, (halo 2 and MP could be considered as such), the Retro (MP) clearly knows how to maniplate what they have to max, compared to Bungie (Halo). What PC gamer will be satisfied with a FPS game with 30 fps?!

Also, if u want to see ATI potential on GC, watch out for RE4 and Zelda.

All i am saying is that using nVid doesnt seem to fit with sony. (too lazy to make their own GPU?)

[sfu_lifer]

heh.. the RE series is finished at 4 and its going to be ported into Xbox and PS2 and from what ive been hearing, the producer wasnt too pleased about the porting of those games.

MGS, well, ya.. never really a big fan, but its rehash of PS1...
sidescrolling, i think GC should me a disk that comes with all the classic NES/SNES games the way they were.. that would SO own

however, this is the PS3 thread... i am just surprised they are going with Nvid for the GPU... seems rushed, althought nVid prob wanted a share of the console market after seeing the new MS and Nintendo will use ATI chipset.

nVid.. .*sigh*... wonder how that would pan out.

hmm.. FFI+II rehash is good?.. whats new about it from the original?
FFI & II are just the wonderswan ports but enhanced music (I LOVe the music in this game, just awesome, reminds me of the good ol' SNES days) and some extra dungeons. Graphics are enhanced quite nicely and extremely clear.
This is a bigger piece of the videogame pie for nVidia and a major win for them. ATI's doing pretty good too with the Gamecube and Xbox business all sewn up. I hope nVidia will be just as much a major headache for Sony as they were to Microsoft. It was nVidia's engineering flaw that led to the first Xbox breakthru for the homebrew crew making the first mods plus they tried to strongarm MS with the royalties and such.

[konfusion666]

If memory serves, they were originally going with ATI right? .. I have a feeling this change of heart is going to result in either production delays, or a rushed release date :D Either way, we lose!!

Referring to the PS3? Sony has been working with nVidia for 2 years on it,
already. I don't think ATI was ever involved.

[CodecX81]

Referring to the PS3? Sony has been working with nVidia for 2 years on it,
already. I don't think ATI was ever involved.

I could've sworn reading that in a newsletter I read, when I worked for IBM..

Cest la vie!