PS2 or Xbox???

[stunaz]

trying to decided which one to get
ps2 seems to have much much better games... xbox only has a few that i'd want to play
but with the xbox u can watch movies etc.. and u got an HD, dont have to deal with burning cds and all that crap

so what would u buy? ;)

btw whats with that HD advance thing... can u now use the PS2 like the XBOX???

[Kursor17]

HDAdvance & HDLoader allows to back up your own games to a hard drive you install in the PS2.

I personally prefer the XBOX.

[peoples_Flip]

100% for the XBox

[Carnage]

Xbox, for 3 reasons.

1)Halo2
2)Halo2
3)Halo2

My PS2 is only still around for GTA. Actually the past year I've had it lent out to freinds. Most games are on all platforms(and xbox wins that as it's more powerful then the other 2). And the PS2 exclusive titles with the exception of GTA do little for me.

[Leshita]

Xbox, because you will be a cool manly man if you got one....



PS: I am getting a PS2 next week (if it does actually ship next week) and I don't think I will ever get an Xbox unless it's below $50. ;)
Halo 2 and most Xbox games do not interest me at all but if you enjoy shooters or the general 'guy' games then you should get an Xbox.

[sfu_lifer]

Enough of the system wars.
Get both. Xbox is a fantastic system hardware wise (plus the moddable stuff you can do with it kicks the PS2's even with the HD enabled) but the sad fact is, PS2 has better exclusive games and wayyyy more variety.

Get the one with the games you want to play, don't buy one to admire ;)

[actyper]

Enough of the system wars.
Get both. Xbox is a fantastic system hardware wise (plus the moddable stuff you can do with it kicks the PS2's even with the HD enabled) but the sad fact is, PS2 has better exclusive games and wayyyy more variety.

Get the one with the games you want to play, don't buy one to admire ;)

Agreed 100%. Xbox only has a few exclusive games worth it, Halo, Fable, KOTR. But games on both are generally better on the xbox.

PS2 on the other hand, exclussive games are endless, Final Fantasy, Socom, every other RPG, Killzone ...

[cmge]

[QUOTE=Carnage]Xbox, for 3 reasons.

1)Halo2
2)Halo2
3)Halo2

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ... err is that all the xbox have?!... lol... not to mention it will be ported out for the pc within a few weeks/months and it will be soo much better...

id say PS2... lots of titles to choose from ranging from first party to third party.. the only thing saving the xbox is its third party support...
so PS2 all the way

[Talamasca]

Another vote for the Xbox.

[Carnage]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ... err is that all the xbox have?!... lol... not to mention it will be ported out for the pc within a few weeks/months and it will be soo much better...

id say PS2... lots of titles to choose from ranging from first party to third party.. the only thing saving the xbox is its third party support...
so PS2 all the way

Sure the system has other good games. But Halo is by far the best one.

If it is ported to PC it won't be a matter of months. At the earliest it could be a year. But to be honest Halo PC isn't that much better then the Xbox version.

And with Halo2's xbox live support a PC version really wouldn't have that much of an advantage.

Good point someone else said about getting both. I've got an Xbox,PS2,and Gamecube. So there's nothing I miss out on. ;)

[gilboman]

xbox by far.

i have both. the PS2 is just way too outdated hardware wise. a good game such as GTA was ruined by the PS2 b/c of bad graphcis, rediculous load times.

[mtevel]

these days

XBOX for sure. .. since you can do so much to it to mod it ...

[vonteego]

trying to decided which one to get
ps2 seems to have much much better games... xbox only has a few that i'd want to play
but with the xbox u can watch movies etc.. and u got an HD, dont have to deal with burning cds and all that crap

so what would u buy? ;)

btw whats with that HD advance thing... can u now use the PS2 like the XBOX???

I've had both systems for a couple of years now...and my PS2 gets 90% of my playtime. Mostly cuz I love turn-based rpg's and hardcore action games, both of which ps2 has. Been gaming for years so i'm not really a graphics whooore, while most people will buy an xbox game for graphics I'll be the ps2 version because the controls on ps2 tend to me much more precise.

Good stuff on xbox though, you can mod it like crazy...+Riddick, Halo 2, and the Tom Clancy games are the best. Maybe ninja gaiden too, but the controls + camera are awful. However, notice a trend? Mostly shooters.

Good stuff on ps2 (keep in mind i'm not a GTA fan), Devil May Cry, FF series, Shadow Hearts 2, Xenosaga, Castlevania (repetitive tho), Ratchet series, Jak series, street fighter anniversary, viewtiful joe....I dunno, it just seems that ps2 has more variety.

Can't go wrong on either system =)

[Corel]

neither.

computer.

[Dymis]

I've had both systems for a couple of years now...and my PS2 gets 90% of my playtime. Mostly cuz I love turn-based rpg's and hardcore action games, both of which ps2 has. Been gaming for years so i'm not really a graphics whooore, while most people will buy an xbox game for graphics I'll be the ps2 version because the controls on ps2 tend to me much more precise.

Good stuff on xbox though, you can mod it like crazy...+Riddick, Halo 2, and the Tom Clancy games are the best. Maybe ninja gaiden too, but the controls + camera are awful. However, notice a trend? Mostly shooters.

Good stuff on ps2 (keep in mind i'm not a GTA fan), Devil May Cry, FF series, Shadow Hearts 2, Xenosaga, Castlevania (repetitive tho), Ratchet series, Jak series, street fighter anniversary, viewtiful joe....I dunno, it just seems that ps2 has more variety.

Can't go wrong on either system =)

I could not possibly agree more. If you're out for shooters, why are you playing it on X-box when you can have a keyboard/mouse on computer?

PS2 has such a nice variety of genres, that if you get tired of one, move on to the next one. There are so many good series out on PS2, I'd like to add Fatal Frame, Silent Hill, Sly Cooper, .hack, Shinobi/Kunoichi, the list is pretty endless. Action games have a very nice selection as well:

- Blood Will Tell (you're a man who has 48 prosthetic limbs and you're on a quest to get them all back, you begin the game in black and white and you when you get parts back, you get new abilities, like seeing in colour, sword arms and a knee-mounted cannon for example).

- Bujingai (if you like crazy chinese action movies, imagine how it turns out when you put it into a video game. I can't even describe this one, just watch a vid or two)

- Dynasty Warriors series / Samurai Warriors series (this is just beyond words, with two player mode, you can relieve so much stress with games like these. You just run around and hack and slash everyone to death, SW is more mission based if you're up for that kind of thing. DW boasts a 42 character repertoire whereas SW has a 15 character repertoire to give you more than enough action to last you quite a while)

Then there are games like Baldur's Gate and Champions of Norrath which are great if you like to play by yourself and you can even go online and play with others to get the maximum party and best if possible.

There are just too many good games on PS2 to skip over the system for X-box. Not that X-box doesn't have any good games, just that the amount on PS2 vs X-box is no comparison. I'm hoping that they do do well on the next one though, but right now, PS2 is a much better choice if you don't like FPS (which PS2 has quite a lot of too).

[babaji]

Though I am anti-Microsoft and anti-Sony, I would go with the PS2, because of the games

I am a Nintendo fan, but the reason that I got a PS2 instead of Gamecube, is beacause there is no Piracy with the gamecube
and also SNK vs Capcom 2, which wasnt out on the gamecube before

get ps2, since Games>>>>power(graphics, sound), unless u wanna buy the system for the graphics and not the game
ps2 has great graphics also though

[Carnage]

I'm probably in the minority of people who actually like the Xbox controller more then the PS2 one. ;)

For FPS's I've found the PS2 controller to suck horribly. The analog sticks just don't seem to be in the right location for those types of games.

Although a controller is no match for a mouse and keyboard, the control scheme used in games like Halo works very well, and can in someways match what experience you can get on a PC.

That's the problem I've having with Metroid Prime on the GC. Although it's a great game, the controls just seem very inferior. The lack of a 2nd analog stick to use as a look is driving me mad at times.

[felix]

Neither!! Nintendo all the way!! :D

[crimsona]

went through this myself.... ended up with PS2 because I couldn't come up with a single RPG that appealed to me on the xbox (fable's too short, too actiony), and gamecube had 2 (skies of arcadia, tales of symphonia)

PS2? FFX/X-2, Suikoden III/IV, Grandia 2 and Xtreme, LA PUCELLE TACTICS, DISGAEA, PHANTOM BRAVE, all the PS1 RPGs... FF 7-9, Alundra 1,2, Tales of Destiny, Tales of Eternia, FF Tactics, Breath of Fire...

[vonteego]

went through this myself.... ended up with PS2 because I couldn't come up with a single RPG that appealed to me on the xbox (fable's too short, too actiony), and gamecube had 2 (skies of arcadia, tales of symphonia)

PS2? FFX/X-2, Suikoden III/IV, Grandia 2 and Xtreme, LA PUCELLE TACTICS, DISGAEA, PHANTOM BRAVE, all the PS1 RPGs... FF 7-9, Alundra 1,2, Tales of Destiny, Tales of Eternia, FF Tactics, Breath of Fire...

My gawd....Final Fantasy X-2...heh I played that before i even played X. It's so whimsical and wacky and depressing and exciting...you can pick up and play for 5 mins or 5 hours with the mission-based play. It's so anti-reality and quirky - no wonder it's such a perfect "escape" to engross yourself in. I loved it! It's like watching a B-movie with characters you care about! :D

[ledorky]

Though I am anti-Microsoft and anti-Sony, I would go with the PS2, because of the games

I am a Nintendo fan, but the reason that I got a PS2 instead of Gamecube, is beacause there is no Piracy with the gamecube
and also SNK vs Capcom 2, which wasnt out on the gamecube before

get ps2, since Games>>>>power(graphics, sound), unless u wanna buy the system for the graphics and not the game
ps2 has great graphics also though
You're wrong. There is piracy on the 'Cube as well, just a lot more inconvenient to do (you stream games through the pathetic 10Mbps pipe called their network adapter). Power can also not be mutually exclusive with games (See Xbox and EXCELLENT emulation capability).
PS2 can have good graphics, just not great ones on a consistent basis (shining examples are very few: GT series, MGS series, Ico-makers, Jax 2). And even those can't touch the Xbox best graphically: Phantom Dust, Riddick, Halo 2, etc).
Still for current gen games, PS2 has way more esp. if you love RPGs.

[Carnage]

Still for current gen games, PS2 has way more esp. if you love RPGs.

Well they did have a few years head start.

Xbox was neve supposed to match the PS2. It was just to get a foothold for the next round.

Going into Xbox2 and PS3 both MS and Sony will be basically neck and neck.

[actyper]

Yeah but right now xbox 2 is scheduled to come out way ahead of ps3. The roles are going to be switched up this time around.

[Carnage]

Yeah but right now xbox 2 is scheduled to come out way ahead of ps3. The roles are going to be switched up this time around.

Well there hasn't been any official dates released just yet.

But from the looks of it both systems will be out within a year of each other. Which is pretty much close enough to be neck and neck.

[crimsona]

Yeah but right now xbox 2 is scheduled to come out way ahead of ps3. The roles are going to be switched up this time around.

Even if it happened, the Xbox just doesn't have the RPG support from any of the box Japanese companies... Xenosaga/FF/Dragon QUest from Squeenix, Tales from Namco and Shining from Sega... and probably lots more.

Growing up in South East Asia, you tend not to play the games that are so much more popular here (Bball, Football, Hockey), plus they never really appealed to me since I am not familiar with thr rules nor could I watch any of those live.

[TenzoR]

Xbox - Action/Sports Games
PS2 - RPG/GT series
Gamecube - Party Console, can't beat 8 player Mario Kart DD :lol:

honestly I like GameCube games better than any other console.

[ill_mango]

PS2 has never really thrilled me. I have all three current gen consoles, and my order of favourites is:

1) Xbox
2) Gamecube
3) PS2

Quite frankly PS does have a lot of exclusive titles, but most of the titles don't appeal to me. Xbox has Halo, which is possibly my most favourite game of all time. Gamecube has some great titles as well.

It'll come down to which kinda of games you like best. Just look at the "killer app" for each system and decide which you like best and buy that system.

My vote is for xbox tho

[Joelhow]

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[crimsona]

My gawd....Final Fantasy X-2...heh I played that before i even played X. It's so whimsical and wacky and depressing and exciting...you can pick up and play for 5 mins or 5 hours with the mission-based play. It's so anti-reality and quirky - no wonder it's such a perfect "escape" to engross yourself in. I loved it! It's like watching a B-movie with characters you care about! :D

Heh, I agree it was cheesy and all, but it did provide for some laughs at times. Plus 1000 Words is still one of my fave songs (which they thankfully rewrote and not butcher in the US version). And unlike some other RPGs/TRPGs, I did not ever have to pull an all-nighter playing it.

[Leshita]

I am not sure if I should get FFX or FFX-2 when I get my PS2. :/
They don't really seem that appealing to me (was excited about FFX when they first unveiled it though) anymore because they seem to be a bit too pop-culture-y. I would get them if they had the Japanese voice-overs though. ;)
I am looking forward to FFXII though (really should have named FFXI something like Final Fantasy: Online....). ;)

[akito925]

[QUOTE=Carnage]Xbox, for 3 reasons.

1)Halo2
2)Halo2
3)Halo2

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ... err is that all the xbox have?!... lol... not to mention it will be ported out for the pc within a few weeks/months and it will be soo much better...

id say PS2... lots of titles to choose from ranging from first party to third party.. the only thing saving the xbox is its third party support...
so PS2 all the way

ohh wow halo 2, is that the only game worth getting the xbox to just play HALO 2 ?? what else games are there??

I'd think get ps2 over the xbox,, but if you gotz the money.. get both so you get the best of both worlds xbox and ps2!!

[Carnage]

ohh wow halo 2, is that the only game worth getting the xbox to just play HALO 2 ?? what else games are there??


Not the only game of course. But Halo/Halo2 are 2 very good reasons to own an Xbox.

To be honest I would put Halo up as one of the best games of all time. Not everyone will agree with me I know, but I'd consider it to be that good.

The only other game which I spent close to as much time playing was GTA3.

[Xavier]

sigh.....pc.

I wanna console.

soooooo many games i wanna play on both Ps2 and Big box :cheesygri

but oh well....i guess i'll wait till ps3 to get one

hahah

ZoE - MGS - GT - random fighting games - random rpgs

Halo2 - DOA - etc etc...- Mech Assault

[sfu_lifer]

For the price of that brand spanking new X800, you can get all 3 consoles :)

[Dymis]

After reading more posts, it's pretty evident that if you don't want to buy Halo, you shouldn't be getting an X-Box :p Unless of course you're modding it for divx and such (does anyone know if anime plays well on it?). I'm not saying Halo is bad, just that one console should not have to rely on one good game to support it's life.

[koolly]

XBOX, no contest

[sfu_lifer]

After reading more posts, it's pretty evident that if you don't want to buy Halo, you shouldn't be getting an X-Box :p Unless of course you're modding it for divx and such (does anyone know if anime plays well on it?). I'm not saying Halo is bad, just that one console should not have to rely on one good game to support it's life.
ANY multiplatform game looks, sounds and IMO plays better on Xbox.
If online enabled, the experience on xbox live is almost always better.

And yes, anime plays very well on Xbox (after the mod of course).
I actually didn't like Halo all that much. Played thru single player campaign and boot it once in a while for multiplay but it didn't impress me all that much. I think DOA3 was the true Xbox demo at the time, not Halo 2.

[Carnage]

I actually didn't like Halo all that much. Played thru single player campaign and boot it once in a while for multiplay but it didn't impress me all that much. I think DOA3 was the true Xbox demo at the time, not Halo 2.

2 player co-op is what made the game. I loved playing the campaign with 1 friend.

Halo isn't the only reason to buy an xbox, but it's the best reason. But it for Halo, and then try other stuff.

Same kind of reason on most of my consoles. Bought GC for Mario,etc, tried other stuff as well.

There will always be 1 or 2 games that you really want when choosing a system, the rest are just kind of icing on the cake.

[chdude3]

2 player co-op is what made the game. I loved playing the campaign with 1 friend.That's what made Serious Sam so fun on the PC - ripping through it with some buddies. I don't understand why developers don't realize there's a fairly sizeable market for this kind of stuff.

What kind of console is good for someone on a limited time budget? I'd probably be able to sit down with it for 30 minutes at a time, maybe 1 hour, but still somewhat regularly (as opposed to fewer but longer stints).

[Carnage]

What kind of console is good for someone on a limited time budget? I'd probably be able to sit down with it for 30 minutes at a time, maybe 1 hour, but still somewhat regularly (as opposed to fewer but longer stints).

You're asking the wrong question I think.

It's not what console, but what games. Some games take alot of time and commitment(like RPG's). Some you can just jump in and play a bit at a time(sports games).

So in that case it depends on what games. If it's sports games then Xbox would be the way to go, as teh games you'll play are on all systems so may as well get the best looking one.

Although for console itself I'd say Gamecube simply because it's cheaper. Why pay more for a system that is only used occasionally?

[crimsona]

Just blitzed through X-men Legends with a housemate for the last 2 days... it's now 4 am and we've played 11 hours of it (2 player co-op) ... tired.. =.=

[sfu_lifer]

I'm trying to marathon my way thru Phantom Dust and .Hack as well but work keeps getting in the way :)

[chdude3]

So in that case it depends on what games. If it's sports games then Xbox would be the way to go, as teh games you'll play are on all systems so may as well get the best looking one.Sports games will not get played in my house, those are out. I like a good RPG (Skies of Arcadia, anyone?), but it's gotta be playable in chunks of an hour at most. If there's 3 hours between save points, that annoys me.

Although for console itself I'd say Gamecube simply because it's cheaper. Why pay more for a system that is only used occasionally?I've thought about that. There's enough awesome single player games, but the multiplayer is generally offline, so might not get used as much.

I'm intrigued by Xbox Live for multiplayer, as well as the media capabilities of a modded Xbox.

[Nacster]

I'm a Video Game FREAK and have all 3 console systems..I think they r all great in there own ways, but too be honest with U, I find myself playing the PS2 much more than I do with my X Box, or Gamecube.. :cheesygri

[Beradon]

Anyone have a list of all ps2 online games that connect through peer-to-peer??
peer-to-peer means the ps2 consoles connect to each other on the net without going thru a dedicated server.

[smirnoff]

I've been trying to keep hope that I would get into playing my Gamecube, but alas I didn't enjoy any of the games I bought or rented. I tired of trying to defend the gamecube. It is clearly the weakest system of the three. And Xbox, in my mind, is undoubtably the best. Best preformance, functionality, and versatility, and the exclusive games, namely halo, are awsome.

I realize now that the only reason I ever got a gamecube was because my money was just burning a hole in my pocket. dumb. Now I've just gone back to playing all my games on the computer. Its simply better than any console.

[Carnage]

I've been trying to keep hope that I would get into playing my Gamecube, but alas I didn't enjoy any of the games I bought or rented. I tired of trying to defend the gamecube. It is clearly the weakest system of the three. And Xbox, in my mind, is undoubtably the best. Best preformance, functionality, and versatility, and the exclusive games, namely halo, are awsome.


I'm in the same situation. The games I have gotten lately for Gamecube have really let me down.

Zelda:Wind Waker I still haven't finished as it seems very drawn out and boring.

Smash Bros Meele pretty much sucks. That let me down as the original on N64 I was really addicted to.

Metroid Prime I've just started playing. I wouldn't call it a let-down, but it is way over hyped. The controls are just too painful, and obsolete. Mouse look, and dual analog usage is just standard now adays. Having to hold a button to free look is just painful, and IMHO kills the promise of the game.

Mario Kart Double Dash is also really boring. Although I still have some hope for battle mode which I haven't tried. But what I've seen of the single player races is pretty bad. I've gone through the first 3 circuits, and can only come up with 1 track which I though was fun and original.

It's never a good sign when 4 seperate franchise games let you down that much.

If it wasn't for Mario Sunshine which I thought was great, and alot of fun I would have been really critical of the system as a whole.

[smirnoff]

I'm in the same situation. The games I have gotten lately for Gamecube have really let me down.

Zelda:Wind Waker I still haven't finished as it seems very drawn out and boring.

Smash Bros Meele pretty much sucks. That let me down as the original on N64 I was really addicted to.

Metroid Prime I've just started playing. I wouldn't call it a let-down, but it is way over hyped. The controls are just too painful, and obsolete. Mouse look, and dual analog usage is just standard now adays. Having to hold a button to free look is just painful, and IMHO kills the promise of the game.

Mario Kart Double Dash is also really boring. Although I still have some hope for battle mode which I haven't tried. But what I've seen of the single player races is pretty bad. I've gone through the first 3 circuits, and can only come up with 1 track which I though was fun and original.

It's never a good sign when 4 seperate franchise games let you down that much.

If it wasn't for Mario Sunshine which I thought was great, and alot of fun I would have been really critical of the system as a whole.


I totally agree with you on all points. Oh and i'll ad Viewtiful Joe to the list of over hyped games.

[Draff]

I disagree. Viewtiful Joe is one of those unique experiences that doesn't come around too often; I would say it's under-hyped as it didn't sell too well... In fact, I was the only one to bring the game up.

It's all about taste and preferences. I thought Metroid Prime was great, as was Mario Kart. It's fun as a multiplayer game.

Still having fun with Donkey Konga, Castle of Shikigami II and Naruto..

As for Metroid, I don't know what you're talking about but the controls are great. They may take getting used to but the platforming element is flawless IMO.


With all that said I still think the PS2 brings the best variety of gaming together.

[Leshita]

I wouldn't say the GameCube is the worse of the three systems. I agree that it depends on your taste in games. When I first got a GameCube, I bought it basically because it was cheap (the $80 GC deal). There was only one game I really wanted (Metal Gear Solid remake). However, I found myself buying more games and enjoying all of them (have 15 games now). Currently I would say I am interested in Nintendo games again (thought I would be a Playstation guy forever after the last gen :razz: ). Basically it all comes down to your own taste in games. I do not like first-person shooters nor the generic looking Western graphics style (high poly count and high res texture is not the only things needed to make a game look good :|) that are used in most of the popular Xbox or PC games, so I will stick with a PS2 and GC for all my gaming needs.

[Draff]

I agree. Raw power isn't a necessity in having a great looking game. ICO, Wanda and Okami beg to differ. :)

(I personally think Zelda cell-shaded looks nice).

[Carnage]

As for Metroid, I don't know what you're talking about but the controls are great. They may take getting used to but the platforming element is flawless IMO.


Yeah, I didn't think they were that bad. The lack of a constant look is annoying to me, but not critical. The game itself is still pretty good. It's just the odd time if you're walking down a sloping hallway or something when you have to keep stopping to manually look downhill that it gets annoying.

I find controls to be what matters most to me in games. If the controls are even slightly off in a game it realy discourages me. Kind of why I couldn't stand Ninja Gaiden for the xbox. The camera/controls were so bad in that game that I couldn't even play it. It just drove me mad.

[chdude3]

Man, you guys aren't helping me with what console to buy! Differing opinions on everything, even on individual games for the systems... :( Wish I had a magic 8-ball that would tell me what to get...

[Carnage]

Just get all 3 and you won't have to worry about missing out on anything. ;)

But it's really kind of hard to suggest what system would be better for someone, as each system offers different things.

But all 3 are good systems, so you don't really lose any way you choose.

[chdude3]

Just get all 3 and you won't have to worry about missing out on anything. ;)If I were independently wealthy, with all kinds of free time, I'd probably go for that. :)

I think right now I'm stuck between the Gamecube and the Xbox. Both have games I think I would play. Gamecube I think would offer more an offline experience, although I'd lug it around to play MarioParty or DoubleDash at a friend's house. And it's just so damn cheap, for both hardware and quality games.

Xbox costs more, but I think is technologically a bit more advanced (I'm sure my X1 projector would love it!), has some great online play opportunity so I could play with some of the friends who have moved hours away from me (or even across the country). It's capabilities modded, as a media centre, are also pretty promising.

I still haven't played through all the games I have for PC and Dreamcast, though. I'd like to wait and finish them, but that'll never happen. If I wait, though, prices are only dropping... I'm on the fence in all senses.

[Carnage]

"Lugging around" isn't a term you really have to use for the gamecube. the system is very tiny. It was designed to be easilly portable.

It's pretty much the exact opposite of the Xbox which is huge and heavy.

Oh, and I almost forgot. Best thing about gamecube are the wavebird controllers. They're wireless, and don't inhale batteries like most wireless devices. Once you try on of these you'll never use another wired controller. Probably the best controller I've ever had.

I have 2 of them so far, and they just sit on top of my TV. Just pick one up, flip the switch on, turn on the system and away I go.

Of course to get to the TV I have to wade through the tangled mess which is my xbox controllers. ;)

[Headhunter]

PS2; I think you can get the older model for $159 or so at Wal-Mart, if you go during the 10th Anniversary Sale.

[vonteego]

Yeah, I didn't think they were that bad. The lack of a constant look is annoying to me, but not critical. The game itself is still pretty good. It's just the odd time if you're walking down a sloping hallway or something when you have to keep stopping to manually look downhill that it gets annoying.

I find controls to be what matters most to me in games. If the controls are even slightly off in a game it realy discourages me. Kind of why I couldn't stand Ninja Gaiden for the xbox. The camera/controls were so bad in that game that I couldn't even play it. It just drove me mad.

I hear ya on Ninja Gaiden...the two games I bought my xbox for turned out to be huge letdowns (NG and Knights of the Old). NG camera was atrocious, and the developer (Tecmo) chalked it up to "challenge" and spoke of how NG was only for true expert gamers. Way to cover up your sh*tty camera design. Hehehe good thing Riddick came out to relieve my boredom.

I hate fighting enemies OFF SCREEN, and I hate having to jump onto pillars I can't see cuz the camera moves WHILE jumping. Tecmo lost all my respect.

Dante of Devil May Cry is still king of action...

[Carnage]

Exactly what I was thinking Vonteego.

What really confuses me is how people review Ninja Gaiden. Out of all the reviews I've read I can't think of one case where someone slammed the camera angles. at most they'll say the camera has "minor" issues. This just proves that most review sites are just out to kiss the developer's ass. The fact that they just ignore a glaring flaw in a game simplay because of they hype over the game.

I really tried to get into it, as the action was pretty cool. But I just couldn't handle the camera constantly being glued to my cheast. Makes some bosses nearly impossible to beat.

I'd go as far as to say that Ninja Gaiden had the worst camera of any game I've played. Making it unplayable as far as I'm concerned.

[felix]

Hold on to your gamecubes ... Mario Tennis is coming out in November and the new REAL Zelda will be out next year!! :cheesygri

[DJXP]

I still say PS2 for the games. xbox may have a couple titles and the graphics might be better slightly, but the variety of games on the ps2 and the games out on the ps2 are my important factor for gaming.

If you want the system for gaming the ps2 , the controller rocks too :D

if you want an media center, and occasional gaming then the xbox is it :)

[Beradon]

Man, you guys aren't helping me with what console to buy! Differing opinions on everything, even on individual games for the systems... Wish I had a magic 8-ball that would tell me what to get...
let's see if this is easier

ps2
pro: huge library of games, easier disc backup, easier hd install, free online gaming
con: less capable graphics

xbox
pro: better graphics, multimedia capable, computer enabled, better HD usage
con: harder disc backup, less games

[chdude3]

let's see if this is easierWhile I do appreciate the effort, it doesn't help cause the PS2 isn't in the running. I'm debating between the Gamecube and the Xbox.

I don't really care about "disc backup", I purchase the games I'd like to play. Keeps the game library smaller, makes me think hard about which ones to get, and makes sure I play the ones I have.

[joo]

#1 best box: Okama GameSphere :cheesygri
#2 best box: Xbox because you can play Halo on it. Every Xbox sold should just have Halo burned into its ROM.

[crimsona]

While I do appreciate the effort, it doesn't help cause the PS2 isn't in the running. I'm debating between the Gamecube and the Xbox.

I don't really care about "disc backup", I purchase the games I'd like to play. Keeps the game library smaller, makes me think hard about which ones to get, and makes sure I play the ones I have.

My friend bought a Xbox recently and asked me to suggest games. So I looked at the game list and I must say there really aren't a lot of games out there outside of sport games.

Halo, Fable, maybe Ninja Gaiden... maybe DoA Xtreme Volleyball... or not

Plus, Halo's available on PC... heck she doesn't even like Halo, so strike one there.

[lewdvig]

I am sure the nextbox will be a winner, but the current gen gets a lot of things wrong. It is only fun as a mod project. It has a few good games - but most are over-rated.

Halo 2 may be good, but Halo is way over-rated. The story was silly, and the gameplay was nothing special at all. Multiplayer is a joke unless you have a 60" TV. MoH or Call of Duty is light years better.

The PS2 has a lot of classics in every genre. I have also noticed good PS2 games come down in price faster - they sell a million copies faster because there are five times as many PS2s as XBoxes.

The only folks who will tell you an XB is the way to go are zealots or people who already bought one (they want to validate their decision - human nature).

I saw Wallmart selling the PS2 for $157 now that the tiny version is in stores.

[lewdvig]

Makes it hard to resist.

We have a GC with a couple of wavebirds and a few games, but the PS2 gets constant use while the GC collects dust at grandma's. There are not as many GC games, but it does have some bonafide classics.

I resisted the PS2 for a long time - I was bitter that Sony killed Sega's Dreamcast. Now I have a PS2 and a wicked back catalog of games to play through as I wait for the XB2 and PS3. We are addicted to Ratchet and Clank games lately - I forgot how much fun platform games are. Lately Wallmart has been selling the PS2 Greatest Hits for $18.

[Carnage]

maybe DoA Xtreme Volleyball...

Heh, probably teh worst game on the xbox. Basically you watch the opening credits. Just watch the one girl feed teh other girl a strawberry. Then maybe go play with teh camera controls as one of the girls suns herself next to the pool. But the game? Simply the worst vollyball game ever.

[Kurtz7834]

My vote goes for the XBox unless you're an RPG fan. In that case, go with the PS2. Heck though, with prices coming down it's easy to pick up both these days.

[sfu_lifer]

let's see if this is easier

ps2
pro: huge library of games, easier disc backup, easier hd install, free online gaming
con: less capable graphics

xbox
pro: better graphics, multimedia capable, computer enabled, better HD usage
con: harder disc backup, less games
What do you mean "harder disc backup" for Xbox. Last I checked they both used DVDs. In fact, thanks to the Samsung drive on the Xbox, it's a lot more forigiving in terms of "acceptable" media. And the PS2's HD is worse. You can't do half the stuff you can do with the Xbox. All it's good for is a game jukebox and even then the HD Loader takes a while to load plus there are quite a few good games not compatible with the HD Loader/Advance. Loading games is a bit worse as well thanks to the slooooow PS2 HD. You can hook it up if you have an enclosure but Xbox (once networked) is dead simple and less hassle.

As for those dissing the Xbox, do you even own one? I own all 3 consoles and they pretty much get equal time (although lately the 'Cube is only booted up when there is multiplayer gaming to be had).
As for few good games, most of the game library for all 3 consoles are multi-platform games. When they come out for all 3 systems, the Xbox version is almost always better (very few that are worse on Xbox, usually lazy porters like EA/Midway). If you're an RPG fan (or quirky Japanese games fan) you're only recourse is the PS2. The load times are HORRIBLE nowadays though for the PS2. Playing Burnout 3 is an exercise in Gandhi patience.

[Beradon]

What do you mean "harder disc backup" for Xbox. Last I checked they both used DVDs.In order to copy an xbox dvd, you need to have your xbox connected to your pc. The disc has to be read and copied from the xbox and then ftp'd to your pc.
For a ps2, you can just do a straight backup from your pc.

If you're an RPG fan (or quirky Japanese games fan) you're only recourse is the PS2. The load times are HORRIBLE nowadays though for the PS2. Playing Burnout 3 is an exercise in Gandhi patience.That's why you use HDadvance and a faster HD for these games.
btw; HDadvance 2.0 came out and they have increased the amount of HD space you can use. They even upped the number of compatible games.

[JAC]

Is there any sort of PS2 modding FAQ page? I'm thinking of chucking the whole PC upgrade race and just gettting a console. (getting harder and harder to find worthwhile, affordable parts:() But I need something that will teach me what version to get, what modchip to get, and how to backup my games.

[Beradon]

Is there any sort of PS2 modding FAQ page?you can try http://www.ps2newz.net/
I still haven't found a ps2 modding site that is as thorough and detailed as xbox-scene.com.

I'm thinking of chucking the whole PC upgrade race and just gettting a console. (getting harder and harder to find worthwhile, affordable parts:() yeah it's getting expensive just to keep up in gaming every 2 years. I'm crazy when you have to get a $300 vid card and $200 cpu every couple of years just to play adequately. :lol:

[sfu_lifer]

In order to copy an xbox dvd, you need to have your xbox connected to your pc. The disc has to be read and copied from the xbox and then ftp'd to your pc.
For a ps2, you can just do a straight backup from your pc.

That's why you use HDadvance and a faster HD for these games.
btw; HDadvance 2.0 came out and they have increased the amount of HD space you can use. They even upped the number of compatible games.
Where's the latest compatibility list?
PS2Ownz may be talking out of their butt again :).
Let's see if what they say is true, USB2 HD support of the PSTwo in a month or so via a new HD loader.

[chdude3]

Screw it. Brand new Gamecube plus Metroid Prime (with bonus) plus Zelda Wind Waker for $129.49 including taxes sealed the deal. Already having a GBA: SP helped too.

PS2 and Xbox can bite me. :)

[Beradon]

Where's the latest compatibility list?
http://www.hdadvance.com/hd_advance_compatibility.htm

PS2Ownz may be talking out of their butt again .
Let's see if what they say is true, USB2 HD support of the PSTwo in a month or so via a new HD loader.
Where did you see that info? It'll be cool if they do come through.


chdude3

Screw it. Brand new Gamecube plus Metroid Prime (with bonus) plus Zelda Wind Waker for $129.49 including taxes sealed the deal.
PS2 and Xbox can bite me. Sorry dude but GC has even less games than the xbox. Then there's the question if there will even be more games made for it. I remember the N64 and how fast that dropped off the radar.

[Geese_Howard]

console freak here, have many many systems, if it were up to me, although i think both systems are good, ps2 is built like crap and the xbox has a crappy laser, i prefer the ps2, far too many good games, xbox has its exclusive games, but everyone forgets ps2 gets there own exclusives as well

[Txiasaeia]

Sorry dude but GC has even less games than the xbox. Then there's the question if there will even be more games made for it. I remember the N64 and how fast that dropped off the radar.

It's not about amount of games, it's about quality. Metroid, Zelda, F-Zero, & Viewtiful Joe guarantee replayability and play time. Plus, the system is cheaper. Besides, any game I would really want to play for the XBox I can play on my PC.

Furthermore, what's the deal with Halo? Unless it has a significantly better online experience, for the life of me I have no idea why it's so popular.

[Beradon]

Furthermore, what's the deal with Halo? Unless it has a significantly better online experience, for the life of me I have no idea why it's so popular.yeah I think halo is way overblown. I still think the quality of games in the ps2 are just as good if not better. Plus the inherent system advantages put it over the gc. Then the xbox has its advantages as well in terms of hackability and multifunctionality.

nintendo's problems stem from what it wants to do with its system and how they want to market it. This only works for their stranglehold on the GB and its variants. You can't do that when there are viable competitors like in the console market.

[othy]

Interesting note for mod users - apparently now the Xbox Live people can ban people from Live even when the mod is disabled. Has something to do with checking for a replaced hard drive or something.

Anyway, just a FYI, do not try using Live on a modded xbox! :)

[airblade90]

I'm in the same situation. The games I have gotten lately for Gamecube have really let me down.

Zelda:Wind Waker I still haven't finished as it seems very drawn out and boring.

Smash Bros Meele pretty much sucks. That let me down as the original on N64 I was really addicted to.

Metroid Prime I've just started playing. I wouldn't call it a let-down, but it is way over hyped. The controls are just too painful, and obsolete. Mouse look, and dual analog usage is just standard now adays. Having to hold a button to free look is just painful, and IMHO kills the promise of the game.

Mario Kart Double Dash is also really boring. Although I still have some hope for battle mode which I haven't tried. But what I've seen of the single player races is pretty bad. I've gone through the first 3 circuits, and can only come up with 1 track which I though was fun and original.

It's never a good sign when 4 seperate franchise games let you down that much.

If it wasn't for Mario Sunshine which I thought was great, and alot of fun I would have been really critical of the system as a whole.

Hmm... I disagree, I really enjoy the games that the gamecube has to offer. I love all the classics reborn in their gamecube glory... they are so much fun to play. I especially love F-Zero GX... the speed in that game is incredible. Ever try Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2? Those games are classics and are an absolute ball in multi-player. Another good 'gem' to try is Ikaruga. Awesome shooter.

I gotta say with the gamecube it is about quality over quantity. Sure I would like some more games, however what I have right now I am content with (although overall I am a PC gamer!!)

[airblade90]

It's not about amount of games, it's about quality. Metroid, Zelda, F-Zero, & Viewtiful Joe guarantee replayability and play time. Plus, the system is cheaper. Besides, any game I would really want to play for the XBox I can play on my PC.

Furthermore, what's the deal with Halo? Unless it has a significantly better online experience, for the life of me I have no idea why it's so popular.

I agree... I think people are afraid to play GC because of it's "kiddy" image. I'll tell ya what folks, I play video games to have fun and I think gamecube has the biggest fun factor out of all the consoles... Sure MGS2 is a good game but are you really having a great time sifting through cutscenes? I think game makers should stop focusing on a huge story line (especially in action games... in RPGs it is okay) and focus more on the gameplay of the game. If I want a deep and involved story I will watch a movie!

[airodus]

It's not about amount of games, it's about quality. Metroid, Zelda, F-Zero, & Viewtiful Joe guarantee replayability and play time. Plus, the system is cheaper. Besides, any game I would really want to play for the XBox I can play on my PC.

Furthermore, what's the deal with Halo? Unless it has a significantly better online experience, for the life of me I have no idea why it's so popular.

It's hard to say why, it just is. I have never encountered a console game that has been so popular. Ppl don't get together to play xbox, they get together to play Halo. There is nothing extraordinary about it, it's just damn good.

I'd pick xbox any day, for most of the reasons that ppl have already listed. Primarily because of its MODDING capability. Once you have the mod set up, you will be dumbfounded at how powerful and cheap the multimedia capabilties are. Setting up an equivalent HTPC with HDTV video and DD5.1 sound would be much more costly, inferior in quality and harder to use.

Some other reasons not mentioned:

1. xbox controller > ps2 controller > gamecube controller. i think ppl like ps2 controller's because they grew up with playstation. for uninitiated gamers, the xbox controller s is always more popular. for ps players who give it a chance, they also see the light. xbox controller is MUCH better for FPS (orientation of thumbsticks) and racing (how can you ever go back to ps2 after using analog triggers for racing). everything else is probably even, although i personally find the composition of the thumbsticks and shape of the controller more forgiving on the xbox than ps2 during marathon sessions.

2. everyone mentions rpgs are better and exclusive on the ps2. personally i've played my share of RPGs and the best by far has been KOTOR which is xbox exclusive. Bioware is now working on 3 more RPG titles for xbox (kotor sequal, one based in mythical china, one based on standard fantasy) which are sure to be hits (Bioware has always released hits). If you're a real RPG fan, I don't know how you can pass up games like these. fable is pretty damn cool too, if not a lil short. definately rpgs like these are much more immersive and involving than anything i've played on ps2 (run around, random encounter, level up, etc...)

3. xbox live. playstation doesn't have anything to compare. tunneling services (free networking using your computer) are always more popular for xbox than ps2. more supported games and more players.

4. well ppl have mentioned graphics. xbox graphics are just plain superior to ps2 in terms of textures, framerate, features, etc... What ppl don't mention is that AV quality is much higher as well. HDTV is supported by most games, dolby digital sound (using nforce 2 soundstorm i believe) is much higher quality than ps2. if u have some high-end home theater equipment, the xbox will make the best use of it

So those are some of the other reasons to pick xbox. it's basically a good console to start with, but with so much potential to be more. it's the center piece in my home theater. it can potentially save u money in the long run (by DLing games, movies, etc...). i don't even have cable anymore... all the shows i want to watch, i download the hdtv recordings from the internet and play them on my home theater thru the xbox. look up how much an hdtv cable box or satellite receiver will cost you!!!

buy xbox... if u have some money left over (with all the savings... u might), then think about a different console

[Talamasca]

Well said. I like my XBox for the superior audio and visual quality. I have a widescreen TV and a 5.1 speaker setup and the Xbox is the only system to consistently exploit this. As for the superior RPGs of the PS2, KOTOR was awesome and I much prefer the RPGs for PCs (Baldur's Gate, Planescape, etc.) overall anyway.

[sfu_lifer]

http://www.hdadvance.com/hd_advance_compatibility.htm

Where did you see that info? It'll be cool if they do come through.


chdude3

Sorry dude but GC has even less games than the xbox. Then there's the question if there will even be more games made for it. I remember the N64 and how fast that dropped off the radar.

It's all about the games you like. The Nintendo exclusives happen to be very very good.
I have the GC just for those, can't get them on any other console and IMO (and others as well) they beat Sony's and Microsoft's 1st Party exclusives. GC should've been markedly superior to the PS2 hardware wise but nobody is spending any time to exploit its capabilities, not even Nintendo :(.
Modding scene is just about non-existent (the PSO hack is far too annoying).
I prefer the Xbox controller for FPS (far more natural, kudos to MS for putting the analog sticks like that) but the default triggers for racing games is hard on your fingers after a while.
Check PS2Ownz for the latest BS news (they've been more accurate the last year but they get over optimistic and they love to promote stuff they get paid a referral fee on).
I don't get Halo either but it was revolutionary for console FPS at the time, although Halo 2 is set to rock, can't wait for dvdsoon to deliver my stuff.
Graphics wise, Xbox kicks butt over everything else (although when properly pushed, the GC can get close). Imagine MGS3 on Xbox, it would look amazing with the bump mapping and shader effects. Seeing the PSM demo was disappointing graphically (same textures over and again).

[Carnage]

The thing about Halo is that it's a very polished game. Every aspect of the game is balanced so well. Plus it's just fun as hell romping around in a warthog. ;)

But most of the people who say it's over hyped are those who have only played it by themselves. Playing it solo is fun and all. But it gets so much better when you have to peaople playing the campaign co-op. Just adds so much more to it when you got a buddy playing along with you.

And the multi-player is also a blast with 3-4 people, and should be even better with full blown battles via xbox live.

Halo is a good single player game, and aweseome multi-player game. It'd be like reviewing Golden Eye for the N64 only on the single player game.

Edit: I should also add about the physics and environment. Halo has what Doom3 lacked(but that is due to resource limitation). You fight waves of enemies at one time, and as you knock them off their bodies will be strewn all over the wall/hallway. Grenades will detonate other grenades, scattering the bodies across the hall. Driving around in the warthog getting knocked flying by explosions,etc. It's just a fun game to play. But it's also a game which you can easilly miss it's strong suits if not experienced properly.

But it's still a matter of opinion. There's plenty of games that I hate that other people love(FFX comes to mind).