NO ONE wants Carter!

[SwiZz]

Article from the Orlando Sentinel:
www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~tehampar/orlando.html

I re-created it as an html file because you would normally have to register an account to read the article. But here is the official link for "verification":

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-sptpovtak21092104sep21,1,4946416.story

Another article from the Toronto Sun about no teams calling Raptors for Carter:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2004/09/21/637511.html

Pretty funny...neither Orlando nor the Heat (places he wanted to go) don't want him. The Mavs dont want him either. I wonder if he's "suprised" to see what his trade value is right now. My god...if they wouldn't trade Francis for Carter...we're really going to get shi*t in return...

[Montague]

we're really going to get shi*t in return...
You get what you give.

It is that simple.

Trade him to the washington generals.

He would be the best player on that team bar none.

Just what his ego wants.

[actyper]

There's another article on Espn. Anybody have Insider?

[Degenerate]

Carter > Francis so I don't see why we would make that stupid trade anyways. Francis didn't want to go to Vancouver and he's going to wine and ***** here like the annoying little ewok that he is.

[SwiZz]

Carter > Francis so I don't see why we would make that stupid trade anyways. Francis didn't want to go to Vancouver and he's going to wine and ***** here like the annoying little ewok that he is.

yea but thats whats pretty funny. everyone knows carter is better than francis....and the fact that the GM would rather keep francis over carter must make carter squirm....haha oh well =)

i'm still pro-carter....but i just think its funny that no ones really interested...

also funny how he "wanted to be on a winning team"....yet doesnt want to be traded to the western conference....where there are a huge number of teams that are championship material...

anyone know what his reasons are for not wanting to go to the west? cause to me it just seems like he knows the competition is harder..but why would he say it like that in the paper making him look weak?...thats why im wondering if theres another reason why he doesn't want to go to the west...housing preference? could that be it?

[Degenerate]

Vince is staying

[SwiZz]

yea i'm pretty sure he is....at least till trade dealine or offseason.......unless sometime until then he has a change in mind..

[sfu_lifer]

He's getting a max contract and he's been injured at least 30% of the season.
Who wants that and a bum set of knees?

[NDman]

Someone posted it in the Raptors newsgroup (the user "gigi", I think). Hilarious read :lol:

http://www.sperts.net/article.php?page=298

[milhaus]

Thanks hilarious. LOL!! BTW, that the Orlando Slantinel you're citing, so I wouldn't bother with that article.

[Darryl]

Hear me out...

I think the Raptors should trade Carter away for just his salary, meaning don't pick anyone up for him. No one wants to give away players for him, but I bet a lot will be willing to pick up his contract to add to their depth.

Take the money that would have been spent on this year's salary and tell everyone that they are going to give the team 1 year to see if they can do it without him.They pretty much have been without him the past few years as he is often injured. It could also instill confidence in the rest of the team that they are worthy of being there and don't need to rely on Carter. It gives a sense of trust.

As long as the public knows this is the plan from the get, they will likely support the team whether they do well or not. Can they do much worse?

Then, if after 1 year they have a horrible season, take the money they saved on Carter's salary and get a good player that doesn't complain as much.

If after the season they find out that they did well, they can take that salary and improve upon the success.

The only possible negative effect this could have is lack of fan support. But if they aren't kept in the dark, the sales will still be up and maybe higher as people would know that they are depended on for this to work. You would think the majority of the fans at the games are there for the team, not simply for Vince Carter. He's not Michael Jordan.

I think its a bold move, but it would likely work.

Any thoughts?

[c1ph3r]

thats hilarious cause its funny but scary cause parts of it are true....like the "little more interior defense and a little more toughness" part....=P

[Shaiboi]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "ADDS ALITTLE MORE TUFFNESS" LOL!!



THE FUNNIEST PART IS ITS ACTUALLY TRUE LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SORRY FOR USING CAPS ITS JUST TO HILARIOUS


BUT truthfully carter would be one of the greatest if he didnt mess up his years


ANYBODY REMEBER HIS FIRST YEAR IN THE NBA!!!

DUNKING ON MANZ N STUFF!!


carter the falling :(

[vonteego]

Hear me out...

I think the Raptors should trade Carter away for just his salary, meaning don't pick anyone up for him. No one wants to give away players for him, but I bet a lot will be willing to pick up his contract to add to their depth.

Take the money that would have been spent on this year's salary and tell everyone that they are going to give the team 1 year to see if they can do it without him.They pretty much have been without him the past few years as he is often injured. It could also instill confidence in the rest of the team that they are worthy of being there and don't need to rely on Carter. It gives a sense of trust.

As long as the public knows this is the plan from the get, they will likely support the team whether they do well or not. Can they do much worse?

Then, if after 1 year they have a horrible season, take the money they saved on Carter's salary and get a good player that doesn't complain as much.

If after the season they find out that they did well, they can take that salary and improve upon the success.
The only possible negative effect this could have is lack of fan support. But if they aren't kept in the dark, the sales will still be up and maybe higher as people would know that they are depended on for this to work. You would think the majority of the fans at the games are there for the team, not simply for Vince Carter. He's not Michael Jordan.

I think its a bold move, but it would likely work.

Any thoughts?

Nobody wants to sign in Toronto, so free-agent cap space money does us no good.

[SwiZz]

Hear me out...

I think the Raptors should trade Carter away for just his salary, meaning don't pick anyone up for him. No one wants to give away players for him, but I bet a lot will be willing to pick up his contract to add to their depth.

Take the money that would have been spent on this year's salary and tell everyone that they are going to give the team 1 year to see if they can do it without him.They pretty much have been without him the past few years as he is often injured. It could also instill confidence in the rest of the team that they are worthy of being there and don't need to rely on Carter. It gives a sense of trust.

As long as the public knows this is the plan from the get, they will likely support the team whether they do well or not. Can they do much worse?

Then, if after 1 year they have a horrible season, take the money they saved on Carter's salary and get a good player that doesn't complain as much.

If after the season they find out that they did well, they can take that salary and improve upon the success.

The only possible negative effect this could have is lack of fan support. But if they aren't kept in the dark, the sales will still be up and maybe higher as people would know that they are depended on for this to work. You would think the majority of the fans at the games are there for the team, not simply for Vince Carter. He's not Michael Jordan.

I think its a bold move, but it would likely work.

Any thoughts?

I thought if the raptors WERE to trade away carter, they MUST take back player's contracts equally carter's within 15%....so I dont think we can just give him away for money can we? =S...

[Fobulous]

Swizz is right,
NBA salary rules are complex... trades made must involve players that have contracts that are no more/less than 15% than one another.

Having said that, its amazing Shaq's massive contract was even tradeable.

As for VC... he's in a poor position to demand a trade. Now that he's gone public with it, his value drops even more, making it increasingly difficult for the Raptors to trade him. Whereas Peja, TMac and Shaq all have positive reps in the league, Carter's been dropping real fast.

Barkley had a wonderful quote a year or so ago: Vince is paid like an All-Star to carry this team, make the players around him better, and be the key a winning team. Instead, he's just blending in with everyone else.

[mingcourt]

vince carter cannot and will not leave toronto. u cannot just drop him, u cannot just trade him away for some of ur fantasy players.

good day

[SLee]

I thought if the raptors WERE to trade away carter, they MUST take back player's contracts equally carter's within 15%....so I dont think we can just give him away for money can we? =S...
Actually, you can as long as the other team after the trade is still below the salary cap. However, there aren't many teams under the cap at the moment, maybe the Clippers.

[firehawk12]

Someone posted it in the Raptors newsgroup (the user "gigi", I think). Hilarious read :lol:

http://www.sperts.net/article.php?page=298

Nice. :)

[q_hada]

also funny how he "wanted to be on a winning team"....yet doesnt want to be traded to the western conference....where there are a huge number of teams that are championship material...


he also said he wouldn't mind going to the knicks. THE KNICKS. hello contradiction

[shaolinmonk]

Vince traded
Toronto trades Carter to WNBA's Liberty
By Jim Margalus
Monday, September 20th, 2004

TORONTO (sPERTS.net) - Vince Carter got his wish. He may want to be more
specific next time.
One week after the Raptors star demanded a trade, Toronto dealt him to the
WNBA's New York Liberty for forward Crystal Robinson, marking the first
inter-gender trade in all of sports.

Fewer games and less contact should help Carter's fragile condition.
"Vince said he wanted to go to New York," new Toronto GM Rob Babcock said.
"So we gave him what he wanted."

"With all due respect, we did try to keep him in the NBA. (Knicks GM)
Isaiah Thomas was drooling over the prospect of getting another
high-priced perimeter player who couldn't distribute the ball, but we
couldn't make the cap numbers work."

Robinson, who has averaged 12.1 points this season, will be expected to
fill in Carter's spot.

"She gives us a little more interior defense and a little more toughness,"
Babcock said. Robinson has only missed a handful of games in her career.

Carter is taking the news in stride for the time being. Tired of a
seemingly perpetual rebuilding process in Toronto, he'll join a team that
has made the WNBA Finals four out of the league's first seven years. The
first round of the playoffs is starting this week.

Robinson is 5'11, but Babcock said "she plays at least 6'1"."
"I'm looking forward to playing in Madison Square Garden any way I can,"
Carter said. "As long as I'm not graduating from anywhere that week, I
know I can help the Liberty win it all."

Carter said he's looking forward to lessened contact, shorter players, a
smaller, more colorful ball, and dunking over "that Polish chick,"
7-foot-2-inch Margo Dydek.

"What do they play, 38 games in a season?" Carter said. "I think I can
handle that, but I don't want any expectations either way."

Liberty president Carol Blazejowski said she's excited to see what Carter
can do.

"Vince should bring a lot of excitement to the women's game," Blazejowski
said. "I believe he'll get along with the women just fine."

Carter will get the chance to dunk over tall international women now.
Blazejowski said Carter will bring more fans into the stadium, and it will
increase the team's media exposure. Right now, reporters for the three city
newspapers - the New York Times, Post and the Daily News - share one
disposable camera.

Vince is only signed on for the end of this season, but Blazejowski said
the team will make "a strong effort" to get Carter re-signed.

"He doesn't run as great a chance of getting hurt, or getting criticized,
or being challenged in any way," she said. "He should feel at home here."

[CSR]

LOL.... Vince is staying .

EnD OF Story!

[gillianchung]

Babcock is dumb if he's asking for Franchise. We NEED a CENTER, Cato is IT.
Mobley takes over SG, Rose will go back to PG, Marshall at PF.

C Cato - Bosh - Araujo
PF Marshall - Garrity - (Bosh)
SF Mo Pete
SG Mobley - (Rose)
PG Rose - Alston

now with these players, don't we have a better game?

Dumpster from Grunwald's LOVE of CAVS crap regime:
Moiso, Palacio, Roger Mason

Grunwald, you're an idiot. Remember Brian Skinner you waived? Remember Arroyo you waived as well? They will haunt you forever.

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.7 minutes)
Toronto receives: C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (15.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
PF Pat Garrity (1.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

Orlando trades: C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (15.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 40.4 minutes)
PF Pat Garrity (1.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

[frogger]

I would do that Cato/Mobley package but I would keep MoHerPete as second guy off the bench and have Rose start at the 3 in most situations like he did in Indy.. Stating lineup
C - Cato (Araujo/Moiso)
PF - Bosh (DMarsh/Bonner)
SF - Rose (MoPete/Dmarsh)
SG - Mobley (MoPete/Rose)
PG - Alston (Williams/RMJ/Rose)

Just get rid of the mopey whiney mamma's boy please. They don't need a cancer on the team.

Doubtful Orlando does it though as their big man rotation would become awfully thin.

I would prefer a trade to the Clippers for Magette and Kaman just so VC ends up playing for the Clippers.

[jalaram]

Why would the Magic trade for an oft-injured ex-superstar when they already have one in Grant Hill?

[rdtx2002]

VC is a stupid idot for coming out in the public about his trade demands..

if he do desires to ressurect his 'career'.. get some balls and play like the VC of old..

[actyper]

Rose is a terrible PG. Only SF or SG for him. The reason Skinner was waived was to keep Arroyo. The reason Arroyo was waived was because he was all flash no control. If he never went to Utah, he would never have been as good as he is now. Can't blame Grunwald for that.

[shaolinmonk]

Rose is a terrible PG. Only SF or SG for him. The reason Skinner was waived was to keep Arroyo. The reason Arroyo was waived was because he was all flash no control. If he never went to Utah, he would never have been as good as he is now. Can't blame Grunwald for that.

Arroyo is good casue of Sloan, he probabbly wouldn't ahve developed had he not gone to Utah

[actyper]

Arroyo is good casue of Sloan, he probabbly wouldn't ahve developed had he not gone to Utah

not only Sloan. Stockton and Jackson. What better teachers.

[mjl_toronto]

Hear me out...

I think the Raptors should trade Carter away for just his salary, meaning don't pick anyone up for him. No one wants to give away players for him, but I bet a lot will be willing to pick up his contract to add to their depth.

Take the money that would have been spent on this year's salary and tell everyone that they are going to give the team 1 year to see if they can do it without him.They pretty much have been without him the past few years as he is often injured. It could also instill confidence in the rest of the team that they are worthy of being there and don't need to rely on Carter. It gives a sense of trust.

As long as the public knows this is the plan from the get, they will likely support the team whether they do well or not. Can they do much worse?

Then, if after 1 year they have a horrible season, take the money they saved on Carter's salary and get a good player that doesn't complain as much.

If after the season they find out that they did well, they can take that salary and improve upon the success.

The only possible negative effect this could have is lack of fan support. But if they aren't kept in the dark, the sales will still be up and maybe higher as people would know that they are depended on for this to work. You would think the majority of the fans at the games are there for the team, not simply for Vince Carter. He's not Michael Jordan.

I think its a bold move, but it would likely work.

Any thoughts?

umm...NO!

I'm not for or against Carter. I want the Raptors to win, PERIOD. To trade Carter for cash puts way too much pressure on Bosh to be an instant superstar. And let's not forget how poorly the Raptors performed without Carter. Face it, he's the only player on the team that can still draw a double (sometimes even triple) team defence. The team does rely on Carter.

Fans support Raptors? Only if the NHL lock-out continues. Toronto (and most of Canada) is not obsessed enough about basketball to care, just like baseball. The general fans will only support a team if there's something to support (i.e. winning team or highlight-reel player). Toronto would probably have more fans supporting a second hockey team than they would a winning raptors team.

Like somebody else said, NBA players aren't jumping at the chance of playing up here in the north. Toronto won't be the only team with large cap room and players will likely decide to take the money from the american teams instead of us.

Let's be honest with ourselves. The best-best situation for the Raptors and VC is for VC to come play his heart out and prove to the NBA he is as good as he once was. If he does so, the Raptors will definitely be playoff bound and if he still wants a trade, it'll be easier for Babcock to pull off. Toronto is the 5th largest city in North America and Canada's population is pretty close to Los Angeles. So if he can capture Canada's heart once again during this NHL lock out season, Carter will easily get the big endorsement deals he longs for.

Although flawed (due to trade restrictions?), I admit your idea is a lot more unique than all the other ideas out there.

=)

[bfg_16]

good riddance.....
hockey pucks would be nice....hahha seriously.......
i guess teams are just scared cause of the injuries he's had....
hopefully the raptors can make the most of a bad situation

[gman]

I know the pain. I can't trade my Vince Carter of my fantasy league either. :(

I am paying him $2200 in a $7000 salary cap. Fortunately, it is the last year of his contract in my team. And, I am only paying $1078 for T-Mac.

[Fobulous]

Steve Kerr wrote an interesting piece in his column at Yahoo! Sport. It rated Raptors as sixth in the East (behind Det, Ind, Mia, Cle and NYK). Says that if Sam can get VC to gel with the team, we could make a run for the post-season.

Its true... if you look at the other teams, they REALLY suck. Maybe Milwaukee could be rated higher, but look at Atlanta, Charolotte, Boston, NJ and even Philly! Tor may have a chance simply they don't suck as bad as the other teams in their conference.

[Hanniganite]

Steve Kerr wrote an interesting piece in his column at Yahoo! Sport. It rated Raptors as sixth in the East (behind Det, Ind, Mia, Cle and NYK). Says that if Sam can get VC to gel with the team, we could make a run for the post-season.

Its true... if you look at the other teams, they REALLY suck. Maybe Milwaukee could be rated higher, but look at Atlanta, Charolotte, Boston, NJ and even Philly! Tor may have a chance simply they don't suck as bad as the other teams in their conference.

That's been my thought all along and will continue to be until the Raptors (and I don't think they will) implode when the actual season starts. Not sure I'd place Cleveland as a sure playoff bound team :cool:

[radeonboy]

Don't worry, I have a feeling the Raptors will be for the most part healthy this year and will be in the Playoffs. Alvin Williams on the other hand isnt 100 full...As usual. :|

[Jesse]

With no hockey I may have to go and see a BB game in person-I have never been to one, I hear they play good tunes ;-)

[mtevel]

Carter's a big freakin baby ,,,,,,, a baby with skillz ... He is, after all, the Canadian Franchise!