where to snitch on restaurants?

[nx2k]

is there a website a person can go to, to snitch on restaurants, it really bothers me the fact that a lot of them are breaking the new smoking by law.
it's unfair competition for one, and it smells and bothers the rest of the customers as well.
i thought they weren't allowed to even have enclosed smoking areas.
why does dickens at midland and finch have an enclosed smoking area? it's not even well enclosed, as soon as i walked in, i smelled it.
also the coffee time at leslie and 16th still has a smoking area.

[ferkel]

If a little smoke smell is going to disturb you, why do you go there then? its your OWN choice to eat there. Dickens is medicore at best anyways.

leslie and 16th is not part of Toronto. Only Toronto has the no smoking ban.
The workplace in Vaughan even has a smoking room for us! :D

[deesaur]

again i will try and quoute gilboman:

what's the big deal about [cigarette smoke]? sure its not the most pleasant [smell], just take it, and eat the food. if it bothers you just [leave].


are your by anychance one of those classic stereotypical citizens who whine about everything..a la Grandpa simpson?


;)

http://67.19.207.84/~redflagd/forum/showpost.php?p=929357&postcount=16
http://67.19.207.84/~redflagd/forum/showpost.php?p=932749&postcount=27

city of toronto
http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/health/smoke_index.htm

york region:

http://www.region.york.on.ca/Services/Public+Health+and+Safety/Tobacco+Free+Living/York+Region+No-Smoking+By-law.htm

[pauline9_2000]

good research! LOL

again i will try and quoute gilboman:



;)

http://67.19.207.84/~redflagd/forum/showpost.php?p=929357&postcount=16
http://67.19.207.84/~redflagd/forum/showpost.php?p=932749&postcount=27

city of toronto
http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/health/smoke_index.htm

york region:

http://www.region.york.on.ca/Services/Public+Health+and+Safety/Tobacco+Free+Living/York+Region+No-Smoking+By-law.htm

[Gee]

I thought the law states that smoking was allowed as long as there is an enclosed area that was well ventulated.

Anyways, there are only EIGHT officers that patrol the GTA for violators.

Does this law only apply to the GTA? I thought it was provice wide?

I think there should be a web site or 800 number to call if there are violators. You can tell I am not a smoker.

But, if you can get 2 demerit points for not wearing a seat belt, shouldn't you get a $2000 fine for violating someone else's civil rights?

Who am I bothering when I don't wear my seatbelt? But I still get 2 points and a $190 fine.

[Degenerate]

if you don't like how they're doing business just don't go

leave them alone as they're running a business and trying to make a living. The smokeban is just ridiculous imo. Restaurants I don't mind the ban but not at bars/pubs.

[gilboman]

again i will try and quoute gilboman:



;)

http://67.19.207.84/~redflagd/forum/showpost.php?p=929357&postcount=16
http://67.19.207.84/~redflagd/forum/showpost.php?p=932749&postcount=27

city of toronto
http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/health/smoke_index.htm

york region:

http://www.region.york.on.ca/Services/Public+Health+and+Safety/Tobacco+Free+Living/York+Region+No-Smoking+By-law.htm

thought you were running buck naked in the woods to escape the deadly non health issue of hair in food....did you shave your hair bald yet and wax every inch of your body? if not you might get some on the food as you are about to eat it.

[deesaur]

thought you were running buck naked in the woods to escape the deadly non health issue of hair in food....did you shave your hair bald yet and wax every inch of your body? if not you might get some on the food as you are about to eat it.

yeeessssss giboman, you came up with the most brilliant idea....

the hair issue on the other thread, was not my casue...it was probably from an employee from T&T...why dont you recommend the management there to have all their employees shave their hair bald, and wax every inch of thier bodies......

hair comming from an unknown source imo is dirty..it could have came from a rats tail, or from your dirty head.... but my hair falling onto my food wouldnt be a big problem, casue i know my hair is nice and clean...

but i guess running back naked in the wood again tonite isnt a bad idea....your mother and i always had great retreats back in the woods, running buck naked..waxing each others dirty parts...tell your mamma same time same place tomorrow... :cheesygri

[doc_ock]

If you want to report a violation:

For more information, or to report a violation of the No Smoking By-law, please call 416-338-7600.
http://www.toronto.ca/health/smoke_index.htm#no_smoking

[Kazaam]

But, if you can get 2 demerit points for not wearing a seat belt, shouldn't you get a $2000 fine for violating someone else's civil rights?

Who am I bothering when I don't wear my seatbelt? But I still get 2 points and a $190 fine

The whole basis behind this law and many others is to save your life. Its along the same lines as people attempting suicide being charged with attem. murder (or some charge along those lines)

I feel a smoking ban is a great ideas in restauraunts, but in a recreational place (bar, pub, club) it should still be allowed. Again, if you whiners don't like something a restaurant is doing, you are free to go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to eat there. Let the owners run their establishments.

[Degenerate]

I feel a smoking ban is a great ideas in restauraunts, but in a recreational place (bar, pub, club) it should still be allowed. Again, if you whiners don't like something a restaurant is doing, you are free to go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to eat there. Let the owners run their establishments.


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[Carnage]

I feel a smoking ban is a great ideas in restauraunts, but in a recreational place (bar, pub, club) it should still be allowed. Again, if you whiners don't like something a restaurant is doing, you are free to go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to eat there. Let the owners run their establishments.

And without a smoking ban no one's forcing the waiters/waitresses to smoke the equivelent of a pack a day due to second hand smoke. Oh wait, someone is forcing them. ;)

I'm an ex smoker, and I think the smoking ban is great. If you're going to smoke go ahead, but keep it to yourself. You're free to kill yourself smoking, but don't bring innocent people down with you.

[Degenerate]

And without a smoking ban no one's forcing the waiters/waitresses to smoke the equivelent of a pack a day due to second hand smoke. Oh wait, someone is forcing them. ;)

I'm an ex smoker, and I think the smoking ban is great. If you're going to smoke go ahead, but keep it to yourself. You're free to kill yourself smoking, but don't bring innocent people down with you.

That's why only hire smokers for pubs/bars. It's ridiculous having a smoke ban in those places. I do agree with the smokeban in restaurants.

[c1ph3r]

That's why only hire smokers for pubs/bars. It's ridiculous having a smoke ban in those places. I do agree with the smokeban in restaurants.

thats discrimination!! you can't NOT hire somebody because they don't smoke...

just like carnage I'm an ex-smoker and I love the ban! I can actually hit a bar or a club and not smell like an ashtray after....

[Carnage]

That's why only hire smokers for pubs/bars. It's ridiculous having a smoke ban in those places. I do agree with the smokeban in restaurants.

They might have trouble keeping a full staff if a bar only hired people who smoke(even ignoring the discrimination involved).

And besides, even alot of smokers would rather work in a smoke free workplace. Who wants to spend an 8 hour shift sucking back clouds of smoke? Even most smokers wouldn't enjoy that.

I remember seeing 2 concerts at LuLu's in Kitchener before and after the ban. Before when you walked in there was just one giant blue cloud of smoke. By the end of the night I thought I was going to pass out(and I was a smoker then).

Then after the ban was put in place I was shocked how much better it was. I could actually breathe.

[tyrred2]

I think the smoking ban is ridiculous! If smoking really bothers you that much.. stay home and have a Zima next to your air purifier. People have too little to do in their lives and so begin complaining and badgering and getting laws like these passed. It's so annoying!

You live on a planet with billions of other people.. you should try learning how to live with them instead of complaining.. What's next, a ban on loud talking? A ban on wearing cologne? Why don't we just ban every social gathering of any kind?

So that's my two cents... I need a smoke.

[Pete Jones]

thats discrimination!! you can't NOT hire somebody because they don't smoke...

Well, the Canadian Cancer Society does exactly that. Seriously!

Check out their carerrs page at www.cancer.ca.

I honestly don't know how they can get away with it.

just like carnage I'm an ex-smoker and I love the ban! I can actually hit a bar or a club and not smell like an ashtray after....

And that's why I like it too.

I'll only light up a stogie a couple times a year or maybe binge on a pack of Marlboro lights when I'm in the U.S. But I really hate the smell of stale smoke. I used to hate going to a bar, even for just a couple because you'd come out needing a shower. And I prefer to eat whithout the aid of cigarette smoke.

However, why can't there be smoking and non-smoking bars and restaurants? I'm all for non-smoking places but I don't think we need it to be legislated.

--Pete

[tinlunlau]

I think the smoking ban is ridiculous! If smoking really bothers you that much.. stay home and have a Zima next to your air purifier. People have too little to do in their lives and so begin complaining and badgering and getting laws like these passed. It's so annoying!

You live on a planet with billions of other people.. you should try learning how to live with them instead of complaining.. What's next, a ban on loud talking? A ban on wearing cologne? Why don't we just ban every social gathering of any kind?

So that's my two cents... I need a smoke.

bravo!! bravo!!!
well said!

*clap clap*

[Amourek]

Is a restaurant that has a bar considered a pub? Is a pub that serves food considered a restaurant? It's a fine line sometimes...

I do not agree with a smoking ban in pubs and bars - just make all the employees wear gas masks. :lol:

[Carnage]

Let me guess. Those of you who are against the smoking ban, and smoke. You're probably the type who refuse to step outside to have a smoke, but instead stay inside and smoke around your young kids?

Wanna smoke? Fine. Go ahead and kill yourself. But don't punish others for your mistakes. Be a man and step outside for the few minutes it takes to have a smoke.

Or maybe, instead of doing that you just don't light up. Maybe take it as a helping tool to kick the habit.

[Montague]

I think the smoking ban is ridiculous! If smoking really bothers you that much.. stay home and have a Zima next to your air purifier. People have too little to do in their lives and so begin complaining and badgering and getting laws like these passed. It's so annoying!

You live on a planet with billions of other people.. you should try learning how to live with them instead of complaining.. What's next, a ban on loud talking? A ban on wearing cologne? Why don't we just ban every social gathering of any kind?

So that's my two cents... I need a smoke.
I agree!

Me?

I like playing with liquid mercury.

I hate the damn ban against playing with this substance in public places.

I should be allowed to fool around with liquid mercury wherever I want.

I thought this was a free country. >:(

Get a clue.

Those other activities do not increase your chances of getting a terminal desease.

Smoking does.

If you want to smoke.

Fine.

Others do not have to breath that toxic waste.

[Degenerate]

ban smoking totally and make all public establishments smoke free. Make cigarettes a controlled substance.

*then I woke up*

[Carnage]

ban smoking totally and make all public establishments smoke free. Make cigarettes a controlled substance.

*then I woke up*

They would if smoking didn't provide the goverment with billions of dollars.

[trueno92]

is there a website a person can go to, to snitch on restaurants,


yes,
www.chowhound.com

im sure it will get someones attention if u post it there, under the canada/toronto section


why does dickens at midland and finch have an enclosed smoking area? it's not even well enclosed, as soon as i walked in, i smelled it.
also the coffee time at leslie and 16th still has a smoking area.

Dickens is like a wannabe keg (or similar steak/pasta), but run by a bunch of fobs, what did u expect?

[bembem]

I think the smoking ban is ridiculous! If smoking really bothers you that much.. stay home and have a Zima next to your air purifier. People have too little to do in their lives and so begin complaining and badgering and getting laws like these passed. It's so annoying!

You live on a planet with billions of other people.. you should try learning how to live with them instead of complaining.. What's next, a ban on loud talking? A ban on wearing cologne? Why don't we just ban every social gathering of any kind?

So that's my two cents... I need a smoke.

I think that your thinking is ridiculous! If not smoking bothers you that much.. stay home and have a smoke next to your air purifier. People have too little to do in thier lives and begin to smoke in public places and getting laws like these passed. Smokers are so annoying!

You live on a planet with billions of other people.. you should try learning how to live with them instead of complaining.. What's next, a ban on loud talking? A ban on wearing cologne? Why don't we just ban every social gathering of any kind?

So that's my two cents... I don't need a smoke.

^^^ See how foolish smokers are? And yes, it's almost word for word...

[Degenerate]

How about this. If you don't like how a business is run shady or legit don't go back? If they have poor sanitary conditions don't go back. If they allow their customers to smoke don't go back. If their service sucks, don't go back. I know of many places in the GTA that will always be smoking no matter what happens. Everyone know of Frontpage at Midland and Finch. I've been there numerous times where they've fined the owner and he's not going to change. He's running a business where his customers are 80% smokers and i packed every night until 4:00am. They're not selling drugs or running an underground massage parlour. Don't tell an owner to how to run their business.

Some places should be smoke free and some places should allow smoking. Restaurants should be 100% smoke free because it's a family environment. Pubs and Bars however are not family environments, thus I feel it should be left up to the owners.

My .02

[Degenerate]

They would if smoking didn't provide the goverment with billions of dollars.

Exactly. That's why I think the goverment are just hypocrytes and here's a classic example. Coming from an ex-smoker I'd love to see the abolishment of cigarettes. Kind of like how they abolished the GST. Oh wait a minute, that didn't happen :cheesygri

[Carnage]

Exactly. That's why I think the goverment are just hypocrytes and here's a classic example. Coming from an ex-smoker I'd love to see the abolishment of cigarettes. Kind of like how they abolished the GST. Oh wait a minute, that didn't happen :cheesygri

Yeah. The smoking ban is just so that it can look like they're doing something. They can't say they supports smoking, so they do what little they can to make it look like they're fighting the good fight.

Kind of like all those dumb anti-smoking commercials that run by the tobacco companies. It's BS that they want people to quit, but they need to make it look like they do.

In fact those ads always had the oposite effect on me. All they would do was remind me of smoking, and I'd get the urges. More then once when I was quitting one of those damn adds would come on, and I'd think "Mmmm, nicotine.", and then out for a smoke I'd go. >:(

[tyrred2]

For all those people (hypocrites) who disagree with my rant about how ridiculous the smoking ban is:

Using that stupid cliche that smoking will kill you is weak.

Here are some things that will actually kill you-----> Why don't you go put a ban on those things.. that'll keep you busy and give you something to complain about. Pollution in the air and the water will kill you. Car exhaust will kill you. Radiation will kill you. Poisonous animals will kill you. A sudden scare can kill you. A car accident will kill you. Falling down the stairs will kill you. A toaster in the bathtub will kill you. A fire will kill you. A big jolt of electricity will kill you.

"Oh but it smells so bad..." you say. Well here are some more things for you to ban----> Farts. Bad breath. Car exhaust. fish sauce. B.O. vapo rub. hairspray. burning wood (a large scale cigarette). gasoline.

See how enjoyable the world will be after you've banned everything that bothers you. Don't come after smokers with your "my s**t doesn't stink" attitude. Not everything in the world is going to go your way, so stop complaining about it.

Another two cents.

[Foomanchoo]

thought you were running buck naked in the woods to escape the deadly non health issue of hair in food....did you shave your hair bald yet and wax every inch of your body? if not you might get some on the food as you are about to eat it.


What about the lady who was chewing on some dude's finger after he accidently cut it off when he was preparing the vegetables? She thought it was some new kind of vegetable -- hard and chewy... :!: :!:

[Carnage]

tyredd2: I hope I meet you in a bar sometime. I'll come up to you, stick my butt right in your face and let the juicest fart ever go. And I'll make sure to eat lots of chili and taco ball before I go so that I can do it all night long.

But there's nothing you can do because I can fart wherevery I please, no matter who it effects. So you'd better not complain about it.

Are you really that stuck up that you don't give 2 sh*ts about those around you? Then you wonder why people despise smokers.

And remember it's my tax dollars which will pay for your cancer treatments. Although you'll be dead far before me, so I guess it all evens out in the end.

Smoke up.

[Degenerate]

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/Smoker.gif

[tyrred2]

Carnage - Wow, I guess it's a big BURN on me eh!?! Taco ball?? juicest fart? Dude you sound like a rocket scientist! I don't know what I was thinking going up against a true scholar like yourself.......the only reason you don't smoke is probably cause you couldn't figure out how to light a cigarette if your life depended on it. Keep up the good work trying to get those ants out of the hole using a twig...eventually you'll get it! (thumbs up)

[Carnage]

Carnage - Wow, I guess it's a big BURN on me eh!?! Taco ball?? juicest fart? Dude you sound like a rocket scientist! I don't know what I was thinking going up against a true scholar like yourself.......the only reason you don't smoke is probably cause you couldn't figure out how to light a cigarette if your life depended on it. Keep up the good work trying to get those ants out of the hole using a twig...eventually you'll get it! (thumbs up)

Guess you didn't bother reading the whole thread eh?

I'm an ex-smoker. Meaning I was smart enough to stop while I could. I know damn well how adictive smoking is, and what it's effects are.

But I'm also not an ******* like alot of smokers out there. I was always willing to step outside for a smoke, instead of blowing it in the face of those around me.

And even when I did smoke I didn't like going to a bar and not being able to breath from the cloud of smoke.

[kloan]

Guess you didn't bother reading the whole thread eh?

I'm an ex-smoker. Meaning I was smart enough to stop while I could. I know damn well how adictive smoking is, and what it's effects are.

But I'm also not an ******* like alot of smokers out there. I was always willing to step outside for a smoke, instead of blowing it in the face of those around me.

And even when I did smoke I didn't like going to a bar and not being able to breath from the cloud of smoke.
Ditto.

[tyrred2]

Look, with most things in life you have to compromise. Having a smoking area and a non smoking area has worked for many many years and would have continued to work. An all-out ban is NOT compromise.

And some things go hand-in-hand.. Like smoking and drinking in a bar.

[Carnage]

Look, with most things in life you have to compromise. Having a smoking area and a non smoking area has worked for many many years and would have continued to work. An all-out ban is NOT compromise.


I don't dispute that. I'd have no problem with having smoking rooms. Although smoking areas that were in restaurants didn't work too well.

But here in Waterloo the smoking ban has been on for years, and personally I think the bars are much more enjoyable. So in the winter I would have to step out into the cold for a smoke, I was willing to do that to spare those that don't smoke.

[edkate]

Ok, i'am a female smoker of 8 years. It's hard not to smoke after a nice meal. But noooo! I have to get the hell out for smoke outside.
But the rule is the RULE. No smoking inside. It bugs me and my hubby, but hey...what can you do? That's why i dont go to play pool and drink my Caesar drink to my favorite pub. They suck when they dont have smoking area and they ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!!! I buy alcohol for my mixes and enjoy them at home ( i need to say that i DO NOT smoke inside of my apartment, i go out on my balcony, otherwise it really stinks inside).
But i have to agree: sometimes u just want to sit down and have a drink without breathing the really HEAVY smoke in.
So, that's my beef.

[Bortman]

For all those people (hypocrites) who disagree with my rant about how ridiculous the smoking ban is:

Using that stupid cliche that smoking will kill you is weak.

Here are some things that will actually kill you-----> Why don't you go put a ban on those things.. that'll keep you busy and give you something to complain about. Pollution in the air and the water will kill you. Car exhaust will kill you. Radiation will kill you. Poisonous animals will kill you. A sudden scare can kill you. A car accident will kill you. Falling down the stairs will kill you. A toaster in the bathtub will kill you. A fire will kill you. A big jolt of electricity will kill you.

"Oh but it smells so bad..." you say. Well here are some more things for you to ban----> Farts. Bad breath. Car exhaust. fish sauce. B.O. vapo rub. hairspray. burning wood (a large scale cigarette). gasoline.

See how enjoyable the world will be after you've banned everything that bothers you. Don't come after smokers with your "my s**t doesn't stink" attitude. Not everything in the world is going to go your way, so stop complaining about it.

Another two cents.

OMG. You sound like the biggest moron in the world. Do some checking about "death" before you spew sh*t. Look below to find out why your a moron, and anyone who believes smoking won't kill you as compared to other things:

http://tobacco.aadac.com/about_smoking/smoking_deaths/
"Smoking Deaths
Worldwide about three million people die from tobacco-related diseases each year. Smoking is an important public health issue. Researchers estimate that within 30 years the number of tobacco-related deaths will rise to 10 million per year. This will make tobacco the single biggest cause of death worldwide. "

"Mortality from fire
In Canada, materials like pipes, matches, cigarettes, cigars and lighters used in smoking are the leading cause of fire deaths. One in five fire deaths in Canada and one in four fire deaths in Alberta are due to fires ignited by smokers."

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/beirut/air-en.asp (Death by AIR POLUTION)
'Air pollution is one of the top environmental issues, and public health officials have expressed a growing concern over its impacts on the population. Recent statistics show air pollution causes an estimated 5,000 premature deaths in Canada each year, and thousands more suffer from adverse health effects. "

It may be suicide, but its death by car exhaust you've been talking about:
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article53.htm
"Suicides by inhalation of poisonous gas increased substantially -- by 46.4 per cent -- between 1991 and 1995, then fell back to near where they began. Over the decade they rose by just 5.7 per cent, less than the rise in total population, which was 10.7 per cent over the same period. "

Radiation deaths? Probably not many. I did some searching and was only able to find death by cancer that involved radiation treatment.


Need I go on? Look at the stats given, look into it further. Deaths caused by smoking in the world is outstaningly high as compared to all other things. How often do you hear about those Canadian poisionous snake deaths? NEVER. Smoking? All the time, by lung cancer, mouth cancer, throat cancer, emphazema (spelt that wrong I know), heart failure, heart disease, diabetes, all resulting from smoking. Add up ALL the diseases you get from smoking, add up all the deaths from those diseases and you'll have a higher death count EVERY YEAR in EVERY COUNTRY than from all other causes of death combined.

And just to finish it off, here are some general death numbers for you to look at...
http://www.acbr.com/causdeat.htm


EDIT!

Here are some more smoking death links for you people who don't think it kills you can learn a thing or two..

http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact02.html
http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/antismoking/a/statistics.htm

I also suggest reading this:
http://www.wpro.who.int/tfi/docs/wntd02/18FS%20smoking%20stats.doc

[tyrred2]

Bortman - Congratulations! You are really good at cutting and pasting! You get two gold stars which puts you way ahead of all the other 2nd graders! However you probably need to re-read what I wrote, cause you're obviously partly illiterate. Try it slowly this time and take a break in between centences if you need to.

I was actually not trying to disprove that pollution, fires, radiation and noxious gases will kill you... I was making a point at how if you're going to ban cigarettes (because they'll "kill" you) you might as well ban fires, pollution, gasoline, electicity, swimming pools etc etc..otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

And by the way, just becasue someone "estimated" a bunch of numbers and printed it, it doesn't make it fact. Open your eyes a little and learn to question what you read, don't just spew other people's printed opinions, guesses, and estimates at me.. that means nothing.

[Bortman]

Bortman - Congratulations! You are really good at cutting and pasting! You get two gold stars which puts you way ahead of all the other 2nd graders! However you probably need to re-read what I wrote, cause you're obviously partly illiterate. Try it slowly this time and take a break in between centences if you need to.

I was actually not trying to disprove that pollution, fires, radiation and noxious gases will kill you... I was making a point at how if you're going to ban cigarettes (because they'll "kill" you) you might as well ban fires, pollution, gasoline, electicity, swimming pools etc etc..otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

And by the way, just becasue someone "estimated" a bunch of numbers and printed it, it doesn't make it fact. Open your eyes a little and learn to question what you read, don't just spew other people's printed opinions, guesses, and estimates at me.. that means nothing.

I think you as well need to re-read what you posted yourself. You made the assanine comments about banning other stuff because it kills as wel blah blah blah. I was merely pointing out the fact that you were right, but even though you were right, those things kill so few things a year you cannot even compare it to banning smoking.

By your idea of banning poisonous creatures, you'd be daming millions of insects, amphibians, reptiles, fish etc to certain death. Thus messing up the entire worlds ecosystem. Banning radiation is impossible too. Do you like power? Well you can't really ban that.. Wouldn't you like to know about your injuries? If you ban radiation there would be no X-Ray's. If you don't want to get scared, never turn on the tv or go out into public and you won't die from it. Cars can only kill you if your either in them, or in the vicinity of them, so you could stay away from those.... But then you'd never get anywhere. The same goes for air polution. Do you like the products you use, every plant causes air polution so you can't really ban all products... Because your smoking is not only causing the air polution, but creating the smokes does too. If you banned stairs, all buildings would be 1 floor, and thats not spatially realistic otherwise there would be no natural land in the entire world. A toaster in a bathtub will only cause death if your the biggest moron in the world who wants to eat toast while bathing, or really commiting suicide....

What your talking about banning will be nearly impossible. Yeah it would help the world greatly in some cases, but would never work. You CAN however, ban smoking because its a simple product, just stop production, easy as that. Not only will everyone whom smokes become more healthy, but everyone around will as well... What you are saying is unreasonable. Fish sauce can only kill you if your beaten to death with the blunt end of the bottle, or you drink a bottle of it everyday. Can't ban farts either buddy. Without the release of that gas, you could die due to high levels of internal poisions.

All I'm saying, is have an argument, but have a valid one. Don't go making stupid comments about how fish oil will bring humanity down because if its not banned it could smell up the world...

[canook]

All I'm saying, is have an argument, but have a valid one. Don't go making stupid comments about how fish oil will bring humanity down because if its not banned it could smell up the world...

Naturally it can't be proven, but don't some of his comments remind you of a few people who are no longer welcome on this board? Joining on the 4th and immediately making inflammatory/insulting statements? Baiting intelligent members into pointless debate with arguments bordering on the ridiculous?

I call troll-food on this thread - good arguments from both Carnage and Bortman but likely falling on deaf ears.

Move along people, there are no valid arguments to see here.

[LeonPhelps]

is there a website a person can go to, to snitch on restaurants, it really bothers me the fact that a lot of them are breaking the new smoking by law.
it's unfair competition for one, and it smells and bothers the rest of the customers as well.
i thought they weren't allowed to even have enclosed smoking areas.
why does dickens at midland and finch have an enclosed smoking area? it's not even well enclosed, as soon as i walked in, i smelled it.
also the coffee time at leslie and 16th still has a smoking area.


Go hug a tree :evil:

[Blazin_Sunfire]

Go hug a tree :evil:


you need a nice tall glass of STFU Mr. Phelps

[Hojo]

Bortman - Congratulations! You are really good at cutting and pasting! You get two gold stars which puts you way ahead of all the other 2nd graders! However you probably need to re-read what I wrote, cause you're obviously partly illiterate. Try it slowly this time and take a break in between centences if you need to.

I was actually not trying to disprove that pollution, fires, radiation and noxious gases will kill you... I was making a point at how if you're going to ban cigarettes (because they'll "kill" you) you might as well ban fires, pollution, gasoline, electicity, swimming pools etc etc..otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

And by the way, just becasue someone "estimated" a bunch of numbers and printed it, it doesn't make it fact. Open your eyes a little and learn to question what you read, don't just spew other people's printed opinions, guesses, and estimates at me.. that means nothing.

Ever hear of second hand smoke? Each year it kills roughly 3,000 non smokers in the US alone, and is the cause of hundreds of thousands of lower respiratory tract infections in children. By smoking in public places, you are potentially harming everyone around you.

Is smoking so important to you that you are willing to jeopardize the health of others?

[webdoctors]

i hate smokers on the street puffing away, they dirty the air and make me sick.

having said that...I am not too thrilled about the smoking ban in restaurants, if a place has smoking I just don't go there, simple. But on the other hand it sucks for the people that work there, as they will die...probably quite quickly, like the commercial in the movie theatre about da old white chick who is gonna die and she jsut trying to make a living bla bla.

Smoking makes ppl a lot more sick than tomatoes, gasoline, electricity, pillows, t-shirts. It stays in the lungs and causes cancer and a host of other problems....you cannot compare it to other things. I am more upset about getting 2nd hand smoke than getting punched, cause when I ger bruised I heal back and there are no permanent effects, albeit the scar or two, so I don't really worry when I play sports. But smoking causes a lot of hidden damage, that may not show up till much later which is really hard to reverse.

If you smoke, ok, fine, I done it before, had a gf who was a chain smoker, but plz don't subject others to it, its like saying...oh i am subjecting myself to mustard gas or anthrax, so I can subject you to it too :mad:. (obviously I am exaggerating somewhat) :)

[mtevel]

if you don't like how they're doing business just don't go

leave them alone as they're running a business and trying to make a living. The smokeban is just ridiculous imo. Restaurants I don't mind the ban but not at bars/pubs.

ridiculous or not, it's the law dude..... I may find it ridiculous to stop at red lights.... Doesn't mean I'm gonna run every red I see.... The OP has an excellent point and I like the info in this thread...

If you think it's ridiculous, picket outside of city hall :)