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Best Buy: LG 60" 1080p 600Hz Plasma HDTV $899.99 + Free Shipping

Best Buy: LG 60
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Forum member idiotcanuck spotted a nice deal at Best Buy! For a limited time, you can get a LG 60" 1080p 600Hz Plasma HDTV (60PV400) for $899.99 with free shipping.

Plasma TVs this size featuring a full HD1080p resolution are normally at the $1000 mark, so if you're in the market for a large-size HDTV with a high resolution to watch your sports and fast-action movies, you might want to put your order in sooner rather later as online quantities are limited in eastern Canada and in western provinces, only 10 units are available. Unfortunately, there are no units available in the Prairies. The offer is available online and in stores until April 19. Check store availability here.

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    • aalui
    • should i jump on this or wait for costcos sale?
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    • paulster2626
    • Looks like limited stock everywhere - gonna try to get this @ $50 HDTV guarantee later today. Not expecting anything but problems with BB staff though!
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    • Senatorsca
    • Just want to say - I have owned this TV since Christmas - a few things.

      Despite LCD technology improving, there is nothing like a Plasma for sports. Especially hockey with fast camera work, there is no ghosting or lag.

      Bad news, this TV has a serious flicker issue. It will hunt for the colour to reproduce in backgrounds often which can become distracting.
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    • lorenzo1000
    • Just want to say - I have owned this TV since Christmas - a few things.

      Despite LCD technology improving, there is nothing like a Plasma for sports. Especially hockey with fast camera work, there is no ghosting or lag.

      Bad news, this TV has a serious flicker issue. It will hunt for the colour to reproduce in backgrounds often which can become distracting.
      Mine doesn't flicker...picture is crisp and clear.
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    • Senatorsca
    • Mine doesn't flicker...picture is crisp and clear.
      You don't notice. It isn't the entire screen it is a subcolour problem. They all have it, go check the thread on AV Forums.

      Either way if you don't notice it, all the power to you.
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    • blazed16
    • Mine doesn't flicker...picture is crisp and clear.
      X2 mine does not flicker either.
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    • marklin
    • X3 neither does mine, picture quality is superb.

      The only annoyance is the screen reflection in broad daylight!

      Mine is a 60PV450 btw bought 9 mths ago.
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    • Ascott
    • So, thoughts on this TV for video game use? Its got a lot of really positive reviews, but I've read a handful of complaints about the image flicker and some retention issues. How's the colour cycle/screen wipe?
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    • Evil Toast
    • Despite LCD technology improving, there is nothing like a Plasma for sports.
      I have never understood how people arrive at this conclusion. 600hz plasma refreshes the picture at 60hz (the 600hz just fires up the cell for the same image 10 times per frame, but doesn't change the image itself). Some LCDs fill in the inbetween frames with a picture change to smooth the motion out (not all do it well). I have always noticed the blur on plasma, but it's noticably less with a good 120hz+ LCD (*). I think you are therefore mistaking a softer image with smoother motion. Plasmas are more vibrant than comparitively priced LCDs, but rarely better for sports to a trained eye.

      (*) Some LCDs will introduce noticable artifacts and judder when changing the frame rate, while others cheat on the figure with an LED refresh (similar to obtaining the 600hz figure on a plasma). These are not the ones I am comparing with. Also, newer plasmas (not the one in this thread) might perform the same smoothing technologies as previously found in LCD, and could therefore offer a better sports experience.
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    • idiotcanuck
    • should i jump on this or wait for costcos sale?
      I'd say it depends on your intention. If you value the $60 5 year warranty at costco and don' really need delivery I'd say get one there. If not, and you can get the HDTVISG at BB, I'd go that way.
      I haven't checked Costco's in store price,but I would assume it will already be similar to BB, or will be shortly.
      HDTVISG
      http://forums.redflagdeals.com/best-...s-tvs-1033274/
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    • Ascott
    • Assuming I decide to go with this I'm going to PM at Memory Express for $874.99

      Still not sure.
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    • truflip
    • picked this up during boxing day for this price. really really nice TV. lots of info on AVS forums. mine does not flicker ether. BUT if you turn the auto brightness or Eco feature it will. it's just the tv adjusting itself (slowly and noticeably) for the scene on the screen

      anyway turn that stuff off and use the many calibration settings available on AVS and you'll be very happy.

      this TVs AR coating sucks compared to Samsung but if it will be in a light controlled room (good blinds or basement theatre) then its fine.

      I have a receiver so I won't comment on the number of available inputs though it looks like the average amount.
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    • idiotcanuck
    • I have never understood how people arrive at this conclusion. 600hz plasma refreshes the picture at 60hz (the 600hz just fires up the cell for the same image 10 times per frame, but doesn't change the image itself). Some LCDs fill in the inbetween frames with a picture change to smooth the motion out (not all do it well). I have always noticed the blur on plasma, but it's noticably less with a good 120hz+ LCD (*). I think you are therefore mistaking a softer image with smoother motion. Plasmas are more vibrant than comparitively priced LCDs, but rarely better for sports to a trained eye.

      (*) Some LCDs will introduce noticable artifacts and judder when changing the frame rate, while others cheat on the figure with an LED refresh (similar to obtaining the 600hz figure on a plasma). These are not the ones I am comparing with. Also, newer plasmas (not the one in this thread) might perform the same smoothing technologies as previously found in LCD, and could therefore offer a better sports experience.
      I agree with you that blanket statements never really accurately reflect reality, especially when applied to complex systems. I have to admit that my experience with these two technologies is the exact opposite to yours though. Of course with displays perception is as important as the stats. None of us see picture quality exactly the same and we certainly don't value the different aspects the same. So I can't argue with your opinion. I do believe that you have left out one important aspect in your comparison though. Response time. I agree that the whole 600HZ plasma stat is primarily marketing, and has little practical, visual benefit, but even at 60 HZ the plasmas infinitely faster response time of .001 ms makes a faster refresh rate unecessary. The whole reason for the plethora of LCD/LED techs and add ons is the relatively slow response time of even the best panels. AMP, 120HZ, 240HZ etc are all bandaid solutions to an inherent drawback, that have been sold as benefits, IMO. Not to say that Plasma doesn't have it's own set of issues.
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    • lelik67
    • The main problem seems to be color shift in light and white scenes, i.e a white house becoming yellowish in some parts. If a white house leans toward pink the effect will be multiplied

      Many believe you will not get away from the color shift issue with this plasma TV no matter what brand you buy.
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    • Evil Toast
    • So I can't argue with your opinion. I do believe that you have left out one important aspect in your comparison though. Response time. I agree that the whole 600HZ plasma stat is primarily marketing, and has little practical, visual benefit, but even at 60 HZ the plasmas infinitely faster response time of .001 ms makes a faster refresh rate unecessary.
      Ah, the counter of the response time. That figure is the time it takes for the display to reproduce the image on the screen, not the response between frames. Every TV changing the image on screen at 60 times per second is going to change the image at exactly that - 60 times per second. That's not an opinion, and I have tried to keep opinion out of the reasoning. It's a valid argument to say that response time is important to interactive streams (such as gaming), but it's not applicable to a fixed stream input. How exactly can a TV improve motion without interpolation? I am not aware that it can, but I'm certainly open to hearing more if I am wrong.

      Frame rate is just one aspect of picture quality though and I don't want to get that mixed up here. There are various alogrithms performing other picture enhancements such as anti-aliasing. I don't know if either plasma or LCD in inheritantly better at this, but I would like to imagine that results are based on processors and programming than the type of screen. Then there are the benefits of the screen themselves - plasma has it's advantages (such as black levels), but motion interpolation is not one of them in a 600hz subfield system.
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    • hingisfan
    • Ah, the counter of the response time. That figure is the time it takes for the display to reproduce the image on the screen, not the response between frames. Every TV changing the image on screen at 60 times per second is going to change the image at exactly that - 60 times per second. That's not an opinion, and I have tried to keep opinion out of the reasoning. It's a valid argument to say that response time is important to interactive streams (such as gaming), but it's not applicable to a fixed stream input. How exactly can a TV improve motion without interpolation? I am not aware that it can, but I'm certainly open to hearing more if I am wrong.

      Frame rate is just one aspect of picture quality though and I don't want to get that mixed up here. There are various alogrithms performing other picture enhancements such as anti-aliasing. I don't know if either plasma or LCD in inheritantly better at this, but I would like to imagine that results are based on processors and programming than the type of screen. Then there are the benefits of the screen themselves - plasma has it's advantages (such as black levels), but motion interpolation is not one of them in a 600hz subfield system.
      No way man.....LCDs have terrible motion blur, and then if you use their tech to counter it, you get a movie that looks like a soap opera. Plus, the blacks are weak. I'll take a same size plasma for half the price (or a third if you are talking LED) ANYDAY of the week.

      60 inch plasma for $899 is a SWEET DEAL.
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    • tickyboy
    • Ah, the counter of the response time. That figure is the time it takes for the display to reproduce the image on the screen, not the response between frames. Every TV changing the image on screen at 60 times per second is going to change the image at exactly that - 60 times per second. That's not an opinion, and I have tried to keep opinion out of the reasoning. It's a valid argument to say that response time is important to interactive streams (such as gaming), but it's not applicable to a fixed stream input. How exactly can a TV improve motion without interpolation? I am not aware that it can, but I'm certainly open to hearing more if I am wrong.

      Frame rate is just one aspect of picture quality though and I don't want to get that mixed up here. There are various alogrithms performing other picture enhancements such as anti-aliasing. I don't know if either plasma or LCD in inheritantly better at this, but I would like to imagine that results are based on processors and programming than the type of screen. Then there are the benefits of the screen themselves - plasma has it's advantages (such as black levels), but motion interpolation is not one of them in a 600hz subfield system.
      No, that figure represents the amount of time it takes each pixel to change from black to white to black. Ever watch hockey on an lcd 60hz with a 10 millisecond response time? That was reality 5 years ago. Since plasma technology has basically no response time it can much more easily keep up with fast action. It doesn't matter if the stream is interactive or fixed, it's what's being reproduced on the screen that counts.

      That's why you see LCD tv manufacturers try to create subframes with 120, 240 and 480hz technology. They are trying to smooth out the problem of that technology.

      ANYWAY, the $900 60" is pretty hot!
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    • antuns
    • WTF!...piece of crap. They are all sold out.
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    • idiotcanuck
    • WTF!...piece of crap. They are all sold out.
      BB or Costco?
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    • Evil Toast
    • No, that figure represents the amount of time it takes each pixel to change from black to white to black. Ever watch hockey on an lcd 60hz with a 10 millisecond response time? That was reality 5 years ago. Since plasma technology has basically no response time it can much more easily keep up with fast action. It doesn't matter if the stream is interactive or fixed, it's what's being reproduced on the screen that counts.

      That's why you see LCD tv manufacturers try to create subframes with 120, 240 and 480hz technology. They are trying to smooth out the problem of that technology.

      ANYWAY, the $900 60" is pretty hot!
      Ah, gotcha. Plasma cells decay quickly on the other hand, which is why they need to be fired up 10 times every frame. I still find that interpolated subframes do a better job of smoothing out motion - I bought my 240hz Sony after watching a high def sports feed side by side with a decent Panasonic plasma, as it handled motion better. Don't get me wrong, I'm not plasma bashing - that with the fact that my wife leaves the PVR on pause sometimes for a couple of hours at a time made my choice, but I thought the Panasonic had a better picture overall.

      I'm not sure about the soap opera comment - that usually applies to films where we are trying to recreate the judder of the cinema. When we are comparing motion handling for sports then that "soap opera effect" is what makes the motion smooth. Judder is bad for sports.
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    • Vickel
    • What are the settings you guys are using?
      Picked up one today and the color seems really washed out and the blacks aren't as good as the Samsung d6000

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